Rand Paul calls for jailing leftists who call for violent revolution

[The Idler]

Rand Paul calls for jailing Americans with radical leftist views who attend speeches calling for the violent overthrow of the government
(http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/05/31/232182/rand-paul-criminalize-speech/)

[Cork Socialist]

So much for the First Amendment ;)

Tbh that is ridiculous, no way something like that could happen in America in my opionion. They are hung up more than the rest of the world on free speech.

[Revolutionair]

Free speech for the speech that is pro-capitalist! :thumbup1:

[Revolutionair]

no way something like that could happen in America in my opionion

I've never felt more secure about betting. You put 20 in, and I'll put in 30? (dollars/euros)

[Cork Socialist]

I've never felt more secure about betting. You put 20 in, and I'll put in 30? (dollars/euros)
deal ;)

[NoOneIsIllegal]

Rand Paul is one of the dumbest people in congress. First he thinks "a right to healthcare" is literally "slavery" and now this? Man, I'm facepalming HARD.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

So much for the First Amendment ;)

Tbh that is ridiculous, no way something like that could happen in America in my opionion. They are hung up more than the rest of the world on free speech.
The sad thing is, it's very possible, considering how well our track record is with free-speech.

[Cork Socialist]

The sad thing is, it's very possible, considering how well our track record is with free-speech.
Thats true, But I mean I really think it would be a bit to much of a stretch tbh

Ive never heard of this Rand Paul guy he seems like a bit of an Idiot

[NoOneIsIllegal]

He was elected to the Senate around 8 months ago, and has said some really dumb stuff since then. I mean, we could all tell he was extremely reactionary before being elected, but it will amaze me if his (very) conservative state will even re-elect him in 6 years. The guy makes me feel embarrassed just listening to him.

[DinodudeEpic]

I hate how 'libertarians' actually take rhetoric from classical liberals (who pretty much would be just as appalled as we are at the Tea Party. Irony....) and paste it into their far right agenda.

Anyways, I knew this was going to happen. The Tea Party has shown tons of authoritarian tendencies, and they are actually the ones for increased government control.

[Triple A]

I dont see them asking for bans on ,the far more dangerous, right wing militas.

[Ocean Seal]

Rand Paul is one of the dumbest people in congress. First he thinks "a right to healthcare" is literally "slavery" and now this? Man, I'm facepalming HARD.
Obviously getting free stuff is oppression. Especially when that stuff can save your life. I think that it should be illegal for paramedics to revive me. I mean who gives them the right to allow me to live.

And of course. Anyone who criticizes the government should be put in jail. I mean its not like these people constantly call everyone else fascists and masturbate to 1984. That would make them hypocrites--wouldn't it. I mean the guy's name is Rand. Its so fortunate that these fascists (oh I went there) would make public their true sentiments. I hope that it disestablishes their whole-- were free from politics bullshit.

[x371322]

He was elected to the Senate around 8 months ago, and has said some really dumb stuff since then. I mean, we could all tell he was extremely reactionary before being elected, but it will amaze me if his (very) conservative state will even re-elect him in 6 years. The guy makes me feel embarrassed just listening to him.

Rand Paul's a Fuckwad.

But Kentucky's actually not as conservative as you might think. The majority are, sure. But we have a dedicated and growing left, especially among the youth. There's recent CPUSA and SPUSA chapters (not much I know, but it shows progress), as well as a few RAAN incidents. Not to mention our rich history of labor struggles, that even most conservatives around here still honor.

Most of the people who pushed hard for Paul (that I've spoken with anyway), seem to be seeing just how crazy he really is, and backing off him. So I definitely agree, as well as hope, that he won't be re-elected.

Still, this kind of shit makes me embarrassed to say I'm from Kentucky. :crying:
I just want to make it clear that scumfucks like Rand Paul, don't represent the Kentucky people. Even my parents (who are REALLY conservative) think he's a loon. And if you only knew my father, you'd see just how powerful that statement really is. :lol:

[a rebel]

Well when we become a prison gang, will be distribute our cigarettes and toilet paper evenly? Or just between the people who have a prison job?, I've always wanted to make license plates.

[The Douche]

You guys do realise it is illegal to call for the overthrow of the united states government?

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/115/2385


Do you people honestly think advocating violence is protected under free speech?

[Cleansing Conspiratorial Revolutionary Flame]

Well when we become a prison gang, will be distribute our cigarettes and toilet paper evenly? Or just between the people who have a prison job?, I've always wanted to make license plates.

1.) 'Well when we become a prison gang'
Criminality is not to be confused with Resistance, as Criminality encourages Lumpen Proletariat attempts to accumulate capital.
2.) 'will be distribute our cigarettes and toilet paper evenly'
There will be Democratic Councils regarding this matter, in which a majority vote will be required in order to confront this issue over the allocation of Cigarettes and Toilet Paper.
3.) 'Or just between the people who have a prison job?,'
Those who are held as Political Prisoners are not to take part in the Prison Labor System as the Prison Labor System is an exploitive Bourgeois System that is to be confronted through active resistance towards it.
4.) 'I've always wanted to make license plates'
If by 'make' you mean sabotage. :lol:

On a different note:

This isn't quite surprising as combined with the re-newed COINTELPRO tactics targeted towards those who seek to confront Capitalism and Imperialism, this would simply be the logical step for the Bourgeois to take in an attempt to maintain their very system as it continually decays. While if this were to become a reality, those who confront their system and act against it can indeed be held as Political Prisoners, yet the ideas behind the emancipation of the Proletariat would continue to remain and only be strengthened through these actions; As the Bourgeois would only be showing their actual face.

[a rebel]

Well that really snapped things into perspective, thanks

[the Left™]

best comment on the article

"I know a bunch of lefties that are mentally deranged, morally empty and want to take from one group to give to another. Teabaggers? Beats being a damn commie."

[Dimmu]

Funny thing.. But at the same time the right-wing nutjobs are hoarding guns in case they need to fight the government.. :rolleyes:

[Le Socialiste]

Well, I'm fucked. :lol:

Libertarianism in American politics seems to be a popular trend at the moment...it reminds me of those who claim to be socialists without understanding all the theories, tendencies, or meanings behind the word and/or ideology. They simply call themselves this to sound "edgy"; in Paul's case, I think the man (much like any regular politician) likes to pick which issues to "tolerate". Although, this has been obvious since day one.

[Spawn of Stalin]

So much for the First Amendment ;)

Tbh that is ridiculous, no way something like that could happen in America in my opionion. They are hung up more than the rest of the world on free speech.

You were not alive in 60s were you?

[Spawn of Stalin]

I mean, I wasn't alive in the 60s, but you get what I'm saying

[S.Artesian]

So much for the First Amendment ;)

Tbh that is ridiculous, no way something like that could happen in America in my opionion. They are hung up more than the rest of the world on free speech.


Oh you optimist you. You pollyanna.

[Red Commissar]

Funny thing.. But at the same time the right-wing nutjobs are hoarding guns in case they need to fight the government.. :rolleyes:

It's ok, they're god-loving patriots. We, on the other hand, are soulless Islamofascist Communazi Eurosocialist wealth redistributionist trickle-up poverty anti-Americans who want to kill grandmas everywhere.

[Pretty Flaco]

free speech in the US is not often disrupted by jailing. my brother told me that someone handed his friend who goes to a university in arizona saw a small group of people handing out mein kampf. however, free speech and free expression/action are very different things. if a group of workers decided to lock out their boss and collectively own his shop, that wouldn't be tolerated. any sort of direct action against capitalism obviously would be reacted against, because often it would violate property rights. however, if workers create a store and collectively own it... well who gives a shit? it's just a tiny shop owned by nutter commies now.

[☭The Revolution☭]

I'm telling you, we're going to have to pull together and do something soon or else these fuckers are going to wipe us out before we get a chance to do anything. This is serious stuff we're talking about here.

[Die Rote Fahne]

Then all the american revolutionaries can come to canada and strengthen our movement up here :D

[Agent Ducky]

I've always had this fear in the back of my mind of the return of McCarthyism. This doesn't scare me though. Rand Paul is generally accepted even by centrists to be batshit and nobody takes him seriously. It's not going anywhere.

[∞]

What a Stalinist thing to do...

[Drosophila]

And he calls himself a libertarian?

[xub3rn00dlex]

I've always had this fear in the back of my mind of the return of McCarthyism. This doesn't scare me though. Rand Paul is generally accepted even by centrists to be batshit and nobody takes him seriously. It's not going anywhere.

Hopefully. I always wanted to tattoo a hammer and sickle onto my scalp, so if McCarthyism returns I'd be up shits creek without a paddle. I'm in NY, this is the first time I've even heard of Rand Paul being written about in papers ( saw him about 3 days ago in there ) so I agree with you saying it's not a big deal. But you never know what these nutjobs will come up with next.

[Klaatu]

Rand Paul is such an uninformed SHMUCK.

Leftists are NOT trying to overthrow the government; we seek to overthrow capitalism.

And those members of government which are owned by capitalists.

The U.S. Constitution, in and of itself, is not the target at all. And Paul himself defends the Constitution (so what is he worried about?)

[Agent Ducky]

It's ok, they're god-loving patriots. We, on the other hand, are soulless Islamofascist Communazi Eurosocialist wealth redistributionist trickle-up poverty anti-Americans who want to kill grandmas everywhere.

Zomg. Can I quote you on this in my signature? Lmao!

[bezdomni]

Whenever I see "Rand Paul" come up I have a moment of confusion because I get him mixed up with Ru Paul every single time.

http://www.advocate.com/uploadedImages/RuPaul_1.jpg

I was going to be very disappointed in Ru Paul, not to mention even more confused...

[~Spectre]

You guys do realise it is illegal to call for the overthrow of the united states government?

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/115/2385


Do you people honestly think advocating violence is protected under free speech?


And what the hell does that have to do with jailing people just for attending a rally?

[~Spectre]

Do you people honestly think advocating violence is protected under free speech?


And turns out you're wrong on the law too. From Greenwald:


Indeed, the First Amendment not only protects the mere "attending" of a speech "promoting the violent overthrow of our government," but also the giving of such a speech. The government is absolutely barred by the Free Speech clause from punishing people even for advocating violence. That has been true since the Supreme Court's unanimous 1969 decision in Brandenburg v. Ohio, which overturned the criminal conviction of a Ku Klux Klan leader who had threatened violence against political officials in a speech.

[Jose Gracchus]

Yes, that's correct. Brandenberg was pretty much the high point of civil libertarianism in the U.S. (note of course, principled defense of a far-right violent reactionary's right to incite, not a leftist), and that was because it was on the high tide of popular struggle in the 1960s. The test is "immanent lawless action", so I can't just emptily advocate something illegal, there's got to be some likelihood people are actually going to act on my saying so right now. However, with this odious Court, I could easily see Brandenburg being overturned in favor of some vague empty test that will open a Pandora's Box of at-will police repression of the left and undesirables.

[RGacky3]

libertarian my ass, these market libertarians really don't care about freedom or liberty.

[Tim Finnegan]

libertarian my ass, these market libertarians really don't care about freedom or liberty.
They're honestly better referred to as "propertarians", not least because they secretly find the label quite attractive and don't really know to respond to it. ;)

[DienBienPhu]

And Nazis, who call for genocide ? Not a problem for Rand Paul ?

[RGacky3]

Democracy and freedom cannot survive unless you have economic democracy and freedom (by definition economic freedom means economic freedom for EVERYONE, market economies do not create economic freedom), the constition is'nt gonna stop anything.

[Hebrew Hammer]

Free speech for the speech that is pro-capitalist! :thumbup1:

^This, am I the only one who thinks his name makes them think he is the bastard love child of Ayn Rand and Ron Paul?

[Dumb]

Well, he's Ron Paul's son for sure...half way there!

And then there's Paul Ryan...what is it these days with right-wing whackos and the name "Paul"?

[Revolution starts with U]

They're Christian dickheads... it only makes sense for them to take the name of the original Christian dickhead :thumbup1:

[Revolutionair]

^This, am I the only one who thinks his name makes them think he is the bastard love child of Ayn Rand and Ron Paul?

He actually did a video on this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfQ04fmj9oc

[Comrade_Oscar]

Since I live in Texas I have to deal with people like that all the time. Me and my group of leftists/Muslims are well respected because we can actually defend our points, but these crazy right-wing psychopaths will never stop their worthless rants.

[progressive_lefty]

Rand Paul calls for jailing Americans with radical leftist views who attend speeches calling for the violent overthrow of the government
(http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/05/31/232182/rand-paul-criminalize-speech/)

And what about the right-wingers that call for the same thing. Isn't Fox News against Government? Isn't Sarah Palin using gun-related images to de-thrown democrats?

I think they should jail Americans that want to jail 'radical leftists' but not the same 'against Government' Tea Partiers off.

[Die Rote Fahne]

I call for the jailing of anyone who calls for the jailing of anyone.

[danyboy27]

Not to break the balls of anyone here, but that kind of shit have been around in canada for like, hundred of year or so.

what the canadian criminal code say;

Treason
(2) Every one commits treason who, in Canada,
(a) uses force or violence for the purpose of overthrowing the government of Canada or a province;
(b) without lawful authority, communicates or makes available to an agent of a state other than Canada, military or scientific information or any sketch, plan, model, article, note or document of a military or scientific character that he knows or ought to know may be used by that state for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or defence of Canada;
(c) conspires with any person to commit high treason or to do anything mentioned in paragraph (a);
(d) forms an intention to do anything that is high treason or that is mentioned in paragraph (a) and manifests that intention by an overt act; or
(e) conspires with any person to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) or forms an intention to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) and manifests that intention by an overt act.

[tachosomoza]

Prison isn't that bad. It's pretty segregated by race, though. It'll be cool to have a leftist prison gang.

[dernier combat]

Prison isn't that bad. It's pretty segregated by race, though. It'll be cool to have a leftist prison gang.
Can't tell if just trolling or serious...

[tachosomoza]

Can't tell if just trolling or serious...

I'm dead fucking serious. I've been in several state facilities, and most of the inmates of one "race" align with each other for protection. You stray, you cause problems. Otherwise, as long as you keep to yourself and do your own time, you're chill.

[Revolutionair]

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/5/8/c2438e6c-bccf-4e1c-9a80-8bc9db6ee6fe.jpg

[tachosomoza]

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/5/8/c2438e6c-bccf-4e1c-9a80-8bc9db6ee6fe.jpg

Allright, explain. Have you been to prison? Or have you just seen it on the television and felt entitled to talk to a former convict as if you've experienced it?

[Revolutionair]

You realize that you are advocating laws to make more leftists go to jail, so in that way we can set up a leftist prison gang? What aspect of that sounds even remotely positive.

I may not have been to prison, but I don't think it takes jail time to realize that being in prison will not allow you to do anything progressive.

[tachosomoza]

You realize that you are advocating laws to make more leftists go to jail, so in that way we can set up a leftist prison gang? What aspect of that sounds even remotely positive.

I may not have been to prison, but I don't think it takes jail time to realize that being in prison will not allow you to do anything progressive.

No, comrade. In the extremely unlikely event that we are all rounded up and sent to prison, THEN we would form the group to oppose the hostile elements (prison authorities, racist gangs, etc). I'm not advocating the laws.

[Revolutionair]

In that case, I agree with you.

[Dumb]

Not to break the balls of anyone here, but that kind of shit have been around in canada for like, hundred of year or so.

what the canadian criminal code say;

Treason
(2) Every one commits treason who, in Canada,
(a) uses force or violence for the purpose of overthrowing the government of Canada or a province;
(b) without lawful authority, communicates or makes available to an agent of a state other than Canada, military or scientific information or any sketch, plan, model, article, note or document of a military or scientific character that he knows or ought to know may be used by that state for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or defence of Canada;
(c) conspires with any person to commit high treason or to do anything mentioned in paragraph (a);
(d) forms an intention to do anything that is high treason or that is mentioned in paragraph (a) and manifests that intention by an overt act; or
(e) conspires with any person to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) or forms an intention to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) and manifests that intention by an overt act.

The Canadian code is considerably more lenient than the American one, though. The Canadian law you cite doesn't appear to prohibit you from openly advocating the violent overthrow of the government the way that the US law does.

[NewLeft]

When was the last time someone was jailed for conspiring to overthrow the state in Canada?

[RGacky3]

From what I understand, or heard, there are some small leftist prison gangs, or at least that were origionally leftist, or have a leftist front (maybe just use it as a front for criminal stuff like the white racist prison gangs, that really have nothing to do with race.)

[tachosomoza]

There are groups based on race which use the leftist philosophy as a front, like the BGF. I would like to see an interracial group a la FSU.