ML Parties

[Hebrew Hammer]

So, I admit, I'm a n00bz but I would like to know and have some links to some active and reputable Marxist-Leninist groups out there. You know, some old-school, no bullshit, Leninist groups that are active and so forth. If anyone could hook me up with some links, give me some pointers on getting active, give me a heads up on some groups to shy away from, etc. that'd be cool. Thanks.

[Alaz]

In which countries?

[Hebrew Hammer]

In which countries?

US.

[Chimurenga.]

Well, look no further.

www.pslweb.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_for_Socialism_and_Liberation

[Hebrew Hammer]

Well, look no further.


Many thanks, seems interesting/promising, what about the WWP? I know they split for whatever reason but just want to know what's all out there, what's their status, etc. I assume the CPUSA is out, lmao.

[Chimurenga.]

Many thanks, seems interesting/promising, what about the WWP? I know they split for whatever reason but just want to know what's all out there, what's their status, etc. I assume the CPUSA is out, lmao.

WWP is still going. Barely, it seems. They seem to have closed some branches recently and moved members of those branches to bigger cities. I'm not sure what they are trying to do these days.

The CPUSA doesn't seem to do much anymore. I'm not sure what they are up to.

[Ocean Seal]

Many thanks, seems interesting/promising, what about the WWP? I know they split for whatever reason but just want to know what's all out there, what's their status, etc. I assume the CPUSA is out, lmao.
The WWP is from what I've read very similar to the PSL. I think that they're the ML organization to join these days. Very progressive, and very diverse. You'll find people from all sorts of socioeconomic backgrounds, ethnicities, and ages. They have many interesting events and protests. And yes the CPUSA is definitely out.

[RedSunRising]

http://www.mltranslations.org/Us/ROL/ROLborn.htm

http://www.mltranslations.org/US/index.htm#ROL

I think this is the best US Communist organization. They are neither "Hoxhaist" or Maoist as such but they are staunchly anti-revisionist.

[Hebrew Hammer]

I think this is the best US Communist organization. They are neither "Hoxhaist" or Maoist as such but they are staunchly anti-revisionist.

Are they the same group as Ray O. Light? I searched for them and all I found was this. Are they active? I will say I'm quite interested in the PSL. The tendency I guess you would call it that I most agree with and consider myself as (though I'm new) is Marxist-Leninism and I guess you would also say Anti-Revisionism as well, so, this seems good. I want to find an active, well organized, national/internationl group.

[The Douche]

http://www.mltranslations.org/Us/ROL/ROLborn.htm

http://www.mltranslations.org/US/index.htm#ROL

I think this is the best US Communist organization. They are neither "Hoxhaist" or Maoist as such but they are staunchly anti-revisionist.

This is not an "organization" though, its just a writing circle, and they don't even have a printed press that is openly circulated, its like a secret underground newsletter.

[Roach]

I dont live in the USA but, as far as I know, the American Party of Labour is a true Anti-Revisionist Marxist-Leninist working-class organization. You can find some of it's members here, they can offer some more details about the APL than I.

Their website: http://americanpartyoflabor.org/
Their on-line press-organ: http://theredphoenixapl.org/

[graymouser]

The Workers World Party and Party for Socialism and Liberation are not, strictly speaking, anti-revisionist parties. WWP broke from the Socialist Workers Party, which was then a Trotskyist party, and while it oriented more toward China and Mao, it never was really an anti-revisionist party as such. In fact, where anti-rev groups considered the Sino-Soviet split a necessary break with revisionism, Sam Marcy considered it a world-class strategic mistake and campaigned for unity between anti-revisionist states and the states they called revisionist.

Anti-revisionism in the United States began with the Provisional Organizing Committee, a breakoff of the CPUSA that eventually became the Progressive Labor Party. They were also oriented around Mao for a while, but went off in their own direction, including the extreme ultraleft position of "fight directly for communism" and a total opposition to all nationalism. (This came at a time when Black nationalism particularly was an animating force of the rest of the New Communist Movement.)

There were three main groups that crystallized in the NCM: the October League, the Communist League and the Revolutionary Union. OL became the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist) which eventually gained ties with the Communist Party of China after 1978, when Deng Xiaoping was in power. The CP(ML) dissolved in the early 1980s without leaving a successor group. The CL became the Communist Labor Party, which is now the generally post-Maoist League of Revolutionaries for a New America. The RU became the Revolutionary Communist Party, which is now infamous for its near deification of its leader, Bob Avakian.

A number of small groups in the NCM clustered around an RCP splinter with the unfortunate name of Revolutionary Workers Headquarters, forming the Freedom Road Socialist Organization in the mid-1980s. FRSO had a positive view of both post-Mao China and of Castro's Cuba, and also had a line in its politics that look positively on the contributions of Amilcar Cabral. In the late '90s, FRSO split between two groups, one oriented toward "left refoundation" and away from Leninism, and the other keeping a hard line on Leninism. Both groups are called FRSO but the latter is known by the name of its newspaper, Fight Back!. It has been the target of significant FBI repression. The other, "soft" FRSO has taken the character more of a loose network of post-Maoists. There were other attempts to group old NCM activists together, like Line of March, but they don't have a coherent organizational expression today.

Hoxhaism never had too much of a following here after the Sino-Albanian split. The main group was the Marxist-Leninist Party USA, which was then allied with the Communist Party of Canada (ML). The MLP-USA broke from the CPC(ML) and eventually dissolved, with some people taking up a sort of hyper-austere Leninism (rejecting Stalin and Mao as well as Trotsky) in the tiny Communist Voice Organization. The quasi-Hoxhaist politics of the CPC(ML) are continued by the small U.S. Marxist-Leninist Organization, which has sort of general anti-revisionist politics that seems to look mostly at mass work rather than doing a broad historical approach.

The two most recent groups that fit broadly in the anti-revisionist spectrum are phenomena of the Internet era. One, Kasama, is a network of loose collectives bound together by a common blog. (This actually has a precedent in the NCM, there were probably more anti-revisionists grouped loosely around the Guardian newspaper - not the British one - than in any of the major groups.) Its origins are in a split from the RCP, but have gotten broader than that. The other, the American Party of Labor, is an attempt to push forward a sort of ortho-Hoxhaite politics. I've met people who identify with Kasama but not with APL off the web, while of course a number of APL folks post here.

I'm not trying to draw any moral or political lines here; I don't support any of the parties or groups listed above, as of course I'm a Trotskyist and not an anti-revisionist. But the history of these groups may be useful to you in trying to sort out anti-revisionism and Marxism-Leninism.

[RedSunRising]

There is always MIM aswell! :)

But seriously the politics of the PSL are more or less the same as "soft" Anti-Revisionists in Europe only they dont hate Trotsky and are less concious of the class contradictions within Anti-Imperialism. Im thinking of the New Communist Party in the UK for example.

[Return to the Source]

WWP, PSL or FRSO (Fight Back).

[wunderbar]

The CPUSA doesn't seem to do much anymore. I'm not sure what they are up to.

They're semi-active in my area, as in I sometimes see (what I presume are) members at rallies and protests passing out photocopied People's World articles. I still would recommend against joining them, since they seem to support whatever the Democratic Party does and their news site doesn't seem to have perspectives much further left-wing than The Nation or The Progressive.

[Imposter Marxist]

Barely, it seems

We've been growing actually, quite a bit! A lot more youth coming in. What city are you in, OP? I can fill you in on anything you need to know about the Workers World Party. Just ask away!

[Hebrew Hammer]

We've been growing actually, quite a bit! A lot more youth coming in. What city are you in, OP? I can fill you in on anything you need to know about the Workers World Party. Just ask away!

I would prefer to PM such info, I'll drop you a message. I would also like to extend this to Maoist groups too. I've researched the RCP, seems interesting but the Avakian personality cult is odd. I looked into MIM and it seems like they have disbanded and are no more? According to wiki that is, anymore suggestions?

[DienBienPhu]

Stuffs like PSL or FRSO seem more correct than WPB, but their opinion about ICM's History remind me Worker Party of Belgium, which is a complete revisionnist party I think. Pretend that Chinese communists were wrong to break up with Soviet Union, and that USSR was socialist until Gorbatchov, it's deny anti-revisionnist struggle...

And maintain that former Soviet's agents in Afghanistan (PDPA) and Afghan maoists have to reconciliate in the "International communist seminar"...no comments.

[graymouser]

I would prefer to PM such info, I'll drop you a message. I would also like to extend this to Maoist groups too. I've researched the RCP, seems interesting but the Avakian personality cult is odd. I looked into MIM and it seems like they have disbanded and are no more? According to wiki that is, anymore suggestions?
MIM doesn't exist any more, and was something of a joke when it did. A semi-successor is the ridiculous "Maoist-Third Worldist" group Leading Light Communist Organization, possibly the only clowns you'll find worse than the RCP these days.

If you're a Maoist, you should at least take a look around the Kasama Project (http://kasamaproject.org/) site. It's a political tendency loosely grouped around a blog, with various collectives in different cities. Aside from that is the Freedom Road Socialist Organization (http://frso.org/) with its newspaper Fight Back! (http://www.fightbacknews.org/). Apart from those two groups, you've got the other Freedom Road Socialist Organization (http://freedomroad.org/) and League of Revolutionaries for a New America (http://lrna.org/), both of which kind of exist as post-Maoist groupings.

As far as the International Communist Seminar goes, FRSO (Fight Back!), Workers World Party and Party for Socialism and Liberation have all participated in ICS meetings. There's also been some degree to which FRSO and WWP have moved closer in the last few years, which has prompted speculation about whether the groups would merge.

[Kassad]

I can't speak for any other leftist groups on here, but if you're interested in the PSL and have any questions about our line, membership or how to get in contact, feel free to shoot me a private message.

[DiaMat86]

Pretty good introduction to PLP from Greymouser.