Does Lil Wayne have talent?

[Property Is Robbery]

He has been brought up in several threads. Usually only by bailey187. What do you all think?

Is Lil Wayne a talented artist, or just the current trend who will eventually fade away?

[Manic Impressive]

A better poll would have been does Bailey hate Immortal Technique more than he loves lil wayne

[Property Is Robbery]

A better poll would have been does Bailey hate Immortal Technique more than he loves lil wayne
That would be interesting but I want to know how many people actually think he makes good music.

[Ocean Seal]

Little Wayne has written some of the worst rap in its history. I mean its just honestly terrible. I question how people can even bear to listen to the man. His lyrics are especially horrible (but hey no one listens to lyrics nowadays anyway). So no, Little Wayne just isn't good. I mean at least some of the other new rap stars are good these days but Little Wayne is just the apex of everything wrong with rap.

[khad]

Does this really need a debate?

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[Dunk]

Does the Pope shit in the woods?

[Pirate Utopian]

I dont know if Khad was sarcastic or not but the video he posted goes fucking hard.

[Vendetta]

I usually hate Lil Wayne's voice, but yeah he's got some talent.

[L.A.P.]

To say Lil Wayne is the epitome of what's wrong with hip-hop obviosuly doesn't know what's wrong with hip-hop and it shows that you're all moronic hipsters. I can honestly say that almost everyone on this forum may not have bad taste ih music but a shit perspective on music especially hip-hop. As far as music goes, you all suck.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Yes he has talent but he is also flavour of the month. Lots of talented artists fade away, the labels and radio stations who "decide" what the next big thing is going to be don't care whether or not Wayne has talent. He doesn't deserve to fade away but still might through no fault of his own.

[Chimurenga.]

Not a fan of his music but he has talent.

He wouldn't have a following if he didn't.

[∞]

Hes sexist and ridiculous.


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Dont you hate a shy *****, yeah I hate a shy *****, she ain't shy no mo', she changed her name to my *****, yeah nigga thats my *****...


My girls don't wear the jeans that show her butt-crack, why? because that were da stash at (wtf?)

Seriously, wtf is he saying?

I got money out my ass no homo but I'm rich, bout to go get surgery and get some diamonds on my wrist....

[Proukunin]

I think he has talent, and you can't go by two or three songs and say he doesn't. He comes up with his raps of the top of his head. If you've ever heard the song Georgia Bush, you would know that he can also rap about social/political problems like Katrina, BP and problems like that. Not only are some of his lyrics metaphorically awesome, the beats that he uses in his music make it hard not to dance to.

He's not my favorite rapper, but I would not say he doesn't have talent because he's been rappin and making a scene around here since he was like 13 or some shit.

[Proukunin]

I would rather listen to like Wale or Immortal Technique though.

[∞]

I think he has talent, and you can't go by two or three songs and say he doesn't. He comes up with his raps of the top of his head. If you've ever heard the song Georgia Bush, you would know that he can also rap about social/political problems like Katrina, BP and problems like that. Not only are some of his lyrics metaphorically awesome, the beats that he uses in his music make it hard not to dance to.

He's not my favorite rapper, but I would not say he doesn't have talent because he's been rappin and making a scene around here since he was like 13 or some shit.

Yes blaming Katrina on Bush is really deep.

[Proukunin]

He wasn't blaming katrina on Bush man. He was rapping about how he handled the situation and how it was during the aftermath.. and that is deep i dont give a fuck what you say.

[Tomhet]

He's awful, but alot better then Immortal Technique IMHO..

[teflon_john]

Absolutely. I don't have enough posts to embed a video, but if you listen to Demolition 1 & 2 and can't see his brilliance then, well, let's just not listen to music together.

[Proukunin]

All that shit about him being sexist in his lyrics. Tupac talked about *****es, but that is how they use their slang. Tupac also talked about very important issues like crack, black panthers and huey newton, growing up in ghettos, rapping about women keeping their heads up when they are abused and all sorts of issues like that. So, did Tupac have any talent whatsoever?

[Property Is Robbery]

I shouldve posted a third option. "he may have talent but I think his music blows"

[F9]

i find his voice to be extremely annoying...

[Property Is Robbery]

epitome of what's wrong with hip-hop
I think what's wrong with hip hop is people who have shit voices, shit beats, and horrible flow getting extremely famous. (You can decide if that includes Lil Wayne, I think it does)

[tachosomoza]

Lil' Wayne is the epitome of shitty modern day materialistic rap. It's sad, really. When I was growing up, rap meant resistance to oppression, not the destruction of the people through violence and drugs.

[Proukunin]

yeah since in the early 90's we had NWA and Wu Tang Clan and they didnt talk about violence or drugs.

[L.A.P.]

I think what's wrong with hip hop is people who have shit voices, shit beats, and horrible flow getting extremely famous. (You can decide if that includes Lil Wayne, I think it does)

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I'd rather rage at some other rapper who actually does have a shit voice, shit beats, and horrible flow.


Lil' Wayne is the epitome of shitty modern day materialistic rap. It's sad, really. When I was growing up, rap meant resistance to oppression, not the destruction of the people through violence and drugs.

Great example of a hipster who really has no understanding of hip-hop but is trying to themselves on the high horse. Rap never meant resistance to oppression, it meant hyper-masculine music artists pumping their chests just like heavy metal. Destruction of people through violence and drugs? LOL, someone doesn't know how to take in art.

[Magón]

Same shit, different day.

But with that, he has some alright stuff, I'm just not a big fan. I could probably count how many songs of his I actually like on both my hands.

[CommunityBeliever]

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Lil wayne is one of the most talented communist revolutionaries.

(Seriously though, IDK why he was wearing that shirt in a music video)

[tachosomoza]

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I'd rather rage at some other rapper who actually does have a shit voice, shit beats, and horrible flow.



Great example of a hipster who really has no understanding of hip-hop but is trying to themselves on the high horse. Rap never meant resistance to oppression, it meant hyper-masculine music artists pumping their chests just like heavy metal. Destruction of people through violence and drugs? LOL, someone doesn't know how to take in art.

I'm not a fucking hipster. The thing that killed hip hop was the commercialization and glorification of the violence that plagued the inner cities in the late 1980s as a result of the crack boom. Before, hip-hop was an extremely creative, progressive movement. Now, we've got people "rapping" about fake gold teeth, murdering other proles, dealing drugs to the poor, and misogyny.

[The Dark Side of the Moon]

better idea "who the fuck is lil Wayne?)
i know who he is but i really dont care about him

[Sam_b]

Thanks for that informative and worthwhile post, Red Spartan.

[Proukunin]

idk why he wore the red communist shirt, he also says he's a hip hop socialist in a song.

[Property Is Robbery]

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I'd rather rage at some other rapper who actually does have a shit voice, shit beats, and horrible flow.
How can you call that flow?

[Proukunin]

Don't criticize what you can't understand - bob dylan.

I think it's your ego.

[Proukunin]

right before he opens his shirt in the music video he says Im down like the economy. Maybe he's stating communism would be the best choice for society???

[Property Is Robbery]

he's a hip hop socialist whose central music theme is about getting money,*****es etc. :laugh:

[L.A.P.]

I'm not a fucking hipster. The thing that killed hip hop was the commercialization and glorification of the violence that plagued the inner cities in the late 1980s as a result of the crack boom. Before, hip-hop was an extremely creative, progressive movement. Now, we've got people "rapping" about fake gold teeth, murdering other proles, dealing drugs to the poor, and misogyny.

No it wasn't, it was always a hyper-masculine genre and....

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....real progressive shit right there, it makes me want to start a revolution now.


How can you call that flow?

I'm starting to question your definition of "flow" now.

[bailey_187]

Lil' Wayne is the epitome of shitty modern day materialistic rap. It's sad, really. When I was growing up, rap meant resistance to oppression, not the destruction of the people through violence and drugs.

yah, i mean rappers in the 80s never glorified money and expensive things

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And no one just rapped about partying like they do now...

I mean, who the fuck turned hip hop into a thing about partying and having a good time? dicks

[bailey_187]

Also, i dont actually hate IT

[L.A.P.]

Also, i dont actually hate IT

Aren't you actually a fairly big fan of Immortal Technique? As far as I know, you just hate Immortal Technique fans which is very understandable.

[Property Is Robbery]

I'm starting to question your definition of "flow" now.
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and this are good examples of my definition
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[bailey_187]

Aren't you actually a fairly big fan of Immortal Technique? As far as I know, you just hate Immortal Technique fans which is very understandable.

i guess i used to be, dont really follow his music much now though, last release from him i heard was The 3rd World

[Property Is Robbery]

i guess i used to be, dont really follow his music much now though, last release from him i heard was The 3rd World
Same here. His music got me into hip hop but his lyrics are way to simple and homophobic for me.

[L.A.P.]

last release from him i heard was The 3rd World

That was his last release, he hasn't released anything else since then.


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So basically an outdated and overused repetitive 80's flow? Well to each his own then.

[Property Is Robbery]

That was his last release, he hasn't released anything else since then.



So basically an outdated and overused repetitive 80's flow? Well to each his own then.
ahaha well that song is from 1997. The other song sounds nothing like it and is from 2008 or something.

[L.A.P.]

ahaha well that song is from 1997.

I thought it sounded like it was from the 2000s but outdated repetitive 80s flow.

[Property Is Robbery]

You don't like Hiero? I mean of course their music isn't fresh but that's cuz they're not around anymore.

[khad]

Lil Wayne should just be sent to hell for calling Kobe Bryant a "rap monsta"

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[∞]

Tyra Banks is gorgeous.

[cogar66]

www . youtube.com/watch?v=24GcORFEeCw

People have to ask?

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[bailey_187]

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[L.A.P.]

You don't like Hiero?

It's typical.

[Spawn of Stalin]

I don't really get how people can dislike Hieroglyphics, 3rd Eye Vision and Future Development are classic albums. Eyedea and Abilities I guess is an acquired taste but in terms of actual skill they among the best ever in my opinion.

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[Invader Zim]

Great example of a hipster who really has no understanding of hip-hop but is trying to themselves on the high horse. Rap never meant resistance to oppression, it meant hyper-masculine music artists pumping their chests just like heavy metal. Destruction of people through violence and drugs? LOL, someone doesn't know how to take in art.


Not all heavy metal, or even most for that matter, is hyper-masculine or involves much chest thumping. It isn't all like Spinal Tap, you know.

[JerryBiscoTrey]

Maybe he's stating communism would be the best choice for society???

Your joking right?

[L.A.P.]

Not all heavy metal, or even most for that matter, is hyper-masculine or involves much chest thumping. It isn't all like Spinal Tap, you know.

It doesn't need always need to be overt like Spinal Tap but whether you listen to melodic metalcore like Killswitch Engage which is probably the least hyper-masculine form of heavy metal but still in all its whininess still relates to more male-oriented themes. And thrash metal despite being about dark political themes still involves some male chest pumping. I'm not insulting it for that, heavy metal is my second favorite genre but still very defined by its hyper-masculinity.

[blake 3:17]

He's a major stylist. Who else is identifiable so quickly? Snoop, Chuck D, Jay Z, Method Man, Eminem, MF Doom, Rakim and Biggie are it.

[Property Is Robbery]

Eyedea and Abilities I guess is an acquired taste but in terms of actual skill they among the best ever in my opinion.

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I agree completely but it didn't take long for me to acquire that taste. :cool:

[Property Is Robbery]

Not all heavy metal, or even most for that matter, is hyper-masculine or involves much chest thumping.
Name some bands please

[Aversie]

Lil wayne won't fade away... He has been around for some years now.

But no he has no fucking talent.

[nuisance]

he's a hip hop socialist whose central music theme is about getting money,*****es etc. :laugh:
it's what sells.

[nuisance]

Name some bands please
Kittie.

[Invader Zim]

Name some bands please

What, name a band that doesn't discuss "*****es with the big butt", etc, in their lyrics? Or bands which do?

[bezdomni]

His "rock album" attempt was really sad and sucked massively.

Otherwise he's not bad. I listen to him, but there are a lot of songs I skip over because they are annoying.

[WeAreReborn]

It's typical.
And how exactly did lil wayne bring something different to the table?

[Lanky Wanker]

LOL I laughed when I saw this. I couldn't care less if anyone disagrees with me, but this guy is just in it for the money and fame. The funny thing is, from what I've heard, he actually loves the idea of capitalism, yet here we are wondering why he has fans if he's talentless. Does talking (not rapping) over a beat about money make someone talented? Tear a hole in my arse by trying to argue with me, I don't really care.

EDIT: He's a commie? How can a communist be so money obsessed? Just goes to show how much I avoid listening to him and anything to do with him. Are people calling him a communist purely because he had a shirt that said "communist" on it? The Sex Pistols wrote Anarchy in the UK, doesn't make them anarchists.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Nothing wrong with making money, he probably employs a couple of (very well paid) bodyguards and that's it. Everybody likes making money. Best day of the week for me is payday, I love going to the atm on Friday mornings and seeing how much I've been paid, then having breakfast in a really nice place before walking to work. Doesn't make me a bad Communist. I enjoy some of the pleasures that capitalism brings, it just happens that I recognise that Communism can bring most of those pleasures a lot more efficiently and with a lot less exploitation.

[∞]

I regret voting no after I heard this...
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[Lanky Wanker]

Nothing wrong with making money, he probably employs a couple of (very well paid) bodyguards and that's it. Everybody likes making money. Best day of the week for me is payday, I love going to the atm on Friday mornings and seeing how much I've been paid, then having breakfast in a really nice place before walking to work. Doesn't make me a bad Communist. I enjoy some of the pleasures that capitalism brings, it just happens that I recognise that Communism can bring most of those pleasures a lot more efficiently and with a lot less exploitation.

I'm not saying we can't enjoy money, but rubbing it in people's faces that you earn millions every year then wearing a shirt that says "communist" is a bit hypocritical to me. I thought most communists would agree that someone earning shit loads of money from doing hardly any work, but other people working their butts off to feed themselves is just a little bit unfair. I don't have a problem with people making money, I have a problem with people making way more money than they deserve. Music, a form of art, does not deserve the kind of pay he gets. Music comes from the heart, not from the bank.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Yeah I agree that it's wrong that he makes so much while others make so little, but I'm far less offended by a rapper flashing his money than I am a capitalist. Lil Wayne records songs by the truckload and has a mental touring schedule so at least he has earned some of his money. People enjoy his music, he makes them happy, I can think of a lot worse people to give money to.

Plus, Lil Wayne's music isn't even just about money.

[Spawn of Stalin]

I think that something does need to be done about the huge amounts of money attached to entertainment but that's just how it is under capitalism, famous entertainers have endless supplies of cash. Whatever, there are a lot more fucked up things to worry about, at least rappers do something positive for society unlike most millionaires.

[Lanky Wanker]

Yeah I agree that it's wrong that he makes so much while others make so little, but I'm far less offended by a rapper flashing his money than I am a capitalist. Lil Wayne records songs by the truckload and has a mental touring schedule so at least he has earned some of his money. People enjoy his music, he makes them happy, I can think of a lot worse people to give money to.

Plus, Lil Wayne's music isn't even just about money.

Sure, he makes people "happy" with his music. Although I strongly disagree with the way he goes about selling his music to people, that's a different matter. I'm not sure about you but personally music is a huge part of my life, so I just don't appreciate mainstream fame whores whose interests seem to be elsewhere than purely in the music. I'm hoping me and my band can get somewhere with our music, but not to the point where we make shit loads of money from being famous for our image and whatever else mainstream musicians are famous for. I want the attention to be on our instrumentals and the meaning behind our songs, not which magazine we've just done a front cover picture for or how cool our swagger is. I could go on all day about this but yeah, that's my view on the subject.

[∞]

Sure, he makes people "happy" with his music. Although I strongly disagree with the way he goes about selling his music to people, that's a different matter. I'm not sure about you but personally music is a huge part of my life, so I just don't appreciate mainstream fame whores whose interests seem to be elsewhere than purely in the music. I'm hoping me and my band can get somewhere with our music, but not to the point where we make shit loads of money from being famous for our image and whatever else mainstream musicians are famous for. I want the attention to be on our instrumentals and the meaning behind our songs, not which magazine we've just done a front cover picture for or how cool our swagger is. I could go on all day about this but yeah, that's my view on the subject.

There was never any good mainstream rap?

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[Lanky Wanker]

There was never any good mainstream rap?


Not saying every mainstream band/musician is bad, just most of them are focused on something other than the passion for music.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Music is a huge part of my life too, I play drums in two punk bands and do live Hip Hop beat sets every month at a pub. So we both make music, ok.....let tell you this, from the perspective of a musician: if I was given the opportunity to get paid to do music the same amount Lil Wayne does, I would take that opportunity without even needing to think about it. BUT, the music would come first, and - also from the perspective of a musician - I firmly believe Lil Wayne loves the music and it is just as huge part of his life as it is yours or mine, he was making music before anyone ever talked about paying him to do it. And just a bit of speculation here, I bet if he had never got signed he would be freestyling on a street corner somewhere. Your view on the subject is fair and I totally share it when it comes to some other artists but not Lil Wayne, I don't think you have listened to enough of his music to understand that it is NOT just about magazine covers or money or swagger. I used to have exactly the same perspective as you, until I actually got hold of some of his music other than the singles I had heard on the radio, that was when I came to the conclusion that he is an intelligent person who deserves the best success. As a Hip Hop fan, I like him, and I think he comes across as a pretty ok person too, which can't be said for many of today's Hip Hop artists

[Pirate Utopian]

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Tyler playing hipster in this video sums up most rapfans on this site.

[Lanky Wanker]

First off, punk eh? Same here, we're struggling to find a drummer who's into our stuff though. Anyway, I always say that it's ignorant to flush away an idea before even considering it, so I'll do the intelligent thing and look into Lil Wayne a bit more some time. Any suggestions other than Drop The World (which I couldn't make any sense of)?

[∞]

First off, punk eh? Same here, we're struggling to find a drummer who's into our stuff though. Anyway, I always say that it's ignorant to flush away an idea before even considering it, so I'll do the intelligent thing and look into Lil Wayne a bit more some time. Any suggestions other than Drop The World (which I couldn't make any sense of)?

The one I posted.

[Lanky Wanker]

The one I posted.

No Love didn't really do it for me either lol.

[Spawn of Stalin]

First off, punk eh? Same here, we're struggling to find a drummer who's into our stuff though. Anyway, I always say that it's ignorant to flush away an idea before even considering it, so I'll do the intelligent thing and look into Lil Wayne a bit more some time. Any suggestions other than Drop The World (which I couldn't make any sense of)?

I would recommend downloading or buying Tha Carter 1, 2, and 3. Also get on datpiff.com and download some mixtapes, most of which I enjoyed

[Lanky Wanker]

Ok cheers. Either of your bands got any recordings or anything btw?

[Spawn of Stalin]

Yeah we've recorded eight tracks in total, five of which will be released as an EP (which will be a free download) when I finish mixing them. My other band is actually just a two piece and I don't think we'll ever record anything because most of what we do is improvisational, kind of free jazz meets punk. I intend to set up a soundcloud with recordings of my Hip Hop sets too sometime but one thing at a time I guess.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

I used to be one of these "Lil Wayne is what's wrong with Hip Hop" people, but I hadn't even listened to a significant body of work from him. As Bailey 187 said in another thread Tha Carter III is a dope album. I'm pretty certain most of the people that voted no have not listened to enough of his music to make an educated judgement.

Talib speaks some sense here:
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Dr Carter:
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[Hebrew Hammer]

I usually hate Lil Wayne's voice, but yeah he's got some talent.

That's because he sounds like a 7 year old when he's talking.

I do think he has some talent and I do like some of his songs but he isn't the "greatest rapper alive," or anything. I've noticed that a lot of the YM crew have the same lyrical pattern though which makes all of their songs sound the same so unless it's an exceptional song besides this, then I usually don't dig it.

[L.A.P.]

And how exactly did lil wayne bring something different to the table?

His music is actually interesting as opposed to that other song that had a typical redundant 80's flow and simple repetitive beat. That other song was just boring as fuck despite whatever theme it had.

[L.A.P.]

Anyway, I always say that it's ignorant to flush away an idea before even considering it, so I'll do the intelligent thing and look into Lil Wayne a bit more some time. Any suggestions other than Drop The World (which I couldn't make any sense of)?

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[Terror Bot]

Fuck lil wayne!

[Robespierre Richard]

I'm starting to feel like lil Wayne is kinda last generation now. I mean nowadays hip-hop is all electro bangers like waka flocka or weed rock like wiz. Wayne is one of those artists that made it in the wannabe trapstar cycle together with Young Jeezy and Akon (via that one song) but nowadays being a hardcore crack dealer isn't really considered cool because moat people don't remember Don't Be A Menace in South Central or Boyz n the Hood so unless you're trying to capture the dumb teens market like Rick Ross, southern gangsta rap really isn't the way to go.

[Pirate Utopian]

There is definitely a new wave going on Wayne aint a part of. He's still good though. John is a great song.

[Robespierre Richard]

There is definitely a new wave going on Wayne aint a part of. He's still good though. John is a great song.

Really? I liked the beat a lot because I used to tell people how the acid melody in the background of old school beats sounds like the music in 50s B-movies and here they come right out and merge the two, but the song itself was really boring because it was one of those Rick Ross songs where he says the same hook like 10 times and some like 8-line verse. Kinda feel like Wayne will be confined to the Wayne+Ricky+T-Pain+3-5 other dudes DJ KHALED mixes now together with all the 2000s rappers who are quickly turning into nobodies.

[Pirate Utopian]

I like Rozay.

Wayne will be on a bunch of songs on The Game's new album. Also this:
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[L.A.P.]

Really? I liked the beat a lot because I used to tell people how the acid melody in the background of old school beats sounds like the music in 50s B-movies and here they come right out and merge the two, but the song itself was really boring because it was one of those Rick Ross songs where he says the same hook like 10 times and some like 8-line verse. Kinda feel like Wayne will be confined to the Wayne+Ricky+T-Pain+3-5 other dudes DJ KHALED mixes now together with all the 2000s rappers who are quickly turning into nobodies.

True that the southern rappers of the 2000's have become irrelevant but that's just the cycle of music and I see Lil Wayne surviving for a while. The electro hop stuff didn't last long at all and quickly went away. The only distinct style of hip-hop that is popular now is alternative hip-hop, and that's a loose sub-genre. It's revitalized hip-hop out of its stagnation, you got stuff ranging from Kid Cudi to Odd Future.

[Agnapostate]

I like Wayne's unique voice and fairly elaborate metaphors, but he's at the forefront of those who glorify money and material possessions.

[Pirate Utopian]

I like material possessions.

[Rakhmetov]

Little Wayne has written some of the worst rap in its history. I mean its just honestly terrible. I question how people can even bear to listen to the man. His lyrics are especially horrible (but hey no one listens to lyrics nowadays anyway). So no, Little Wayne just isn't good. I mean at least some of the other new rap stars are good these days but Little Wayne is just the apex of everything wrong with rap.


Well when you consider how many people are illiterate or barely literate, is this such a surprise???