Communism and individuality

[monkeydust]

Does communism inherently mean that people cannot express themselves individually? For example in East Berlin up to the fall of the wall everyone who wanted a car had to have the same car (a skoda at that) and in many restaurants only one meal was served. Would it need to be this way in a commnist country? Or is it possible to have equality along with differences and yet create an environment where there is no conflict?

[Pete]

No, no (there is no such thing as a communist state), yes.

[marxstudent]

eh? good stuff lenin. i'm interested to see other people's responses.

[UnionofSovietSocialistRepublics]

I dont think that there is anything wrong with individuality under socialism as long as it doesnt seperate poeple, like mods and rockers kinda thing or punks and hippies you get the idea. I think it would be silly to force everyone to have the same haircut or something like that. I imagine the reason for the meals been the same in the resteraunt was to be fair, though perhaps there was more than 1 -as in a few options, kinda like a school lunch. As for the same car that is acceptable because its a car made in the country so it the obvious choice and means you dont have to trade with cappie scum.

[redstar2000]

Some thoughts on the question here...

http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?a...&f=6&t=17604&s= (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=17604&s=)

http://anarchist-action.org/forums/images/smiles/redstar.gif

The RedStar2000 Papers (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/)
A site about communist ideas

[crazy comie]

you can have a bit of induviduallty

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Individuality is fine, as long as you don't persue goals that act only in function of your own interests at the expense of those of the people.

[crazy comie]

That is true

[Lardlad95]

NO, ABSOLUTELY NO INDIVIDUALITY. IF WE EVER HAD INDIVIDUALITY THEN HOW COULD CAPITALISM GET THE MASSES TO GIVE IN TO THEIR MARKETING AND PROPAGANDA?......OH WAIT....YOU SAID CAN WE HAVE INDIVIDUALIT IN COMMUNISM? OF COURSE WE CAN!!!

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

what are you on about lardlad?

[crazy comie]

why the red

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 07:15 PM
what are you on about lardlad?
Sorry, I was either drunk or high and I just figured out how to change the color of the text

[crazy comie]

hmm

[marxstudent]

my u.s. gov teacher says if one were to live in a communist nation, no one owns anything but it all belongs to the government, right? so owning a dvd is supposed to be wrong?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Politely tell your teacher to remove his head from his ass. Tell him that in Cuba almost everyone owns their own house, and everyone lives in a decent house, which is far more than what can be said for any other Latin American nation. The only kind of property that is not allowed is that property which is used to make money.

[apathy maybe]

Please read the thread on communism and socialism. What was in the USSR and East Germany, and what is in China and North Korea are not communism. Communism requires minimum government and maximum democracy.
In my opinion it would not work at all (I call for a mix of communistic ideas and anarchistic ideas). But please don't read the propaganda of the USA that says that communism is bad and that what they had in the USSR was communism. Redstar2000 wrote a very good piece on it (I think it is somewhere in his papers).

[marxstudent]

hmm ic, victor commie. i'll see what he says after i tell him the stuff you told me. thanks for the clarification too.

[apathy maybe]

May be it was this thread that I mentianed the paper by Redstar2000, here it is,
http://www.che-lives.com/home/modules.php?...=article&sid=11 (http://www.che-lives.com/home/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=11)

[crazy comie]

The mases own evrything becuse the mases control evrything.

[monkeydust]

Originally posted by apathy [email protected] 7 2003, 01:18 AM
Please read the thread on communism and socialism. What was in the USSR and East Germany, and what is in China and North Korea are not communism. Communism requires minimum government and maximum democracy.

errrr yeah I know that east Germany n the USSR werent 'communism' in the strict definition but that wasnt the question I was asking I was merely using an example. If u want to be picky my question should ave been is individualism fully allowed in a socisalist/ left wing /stalinist country or whatever

[Ian]

Here is a thread that answers your questions (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=17891)

Some interesting points are made in that thread.