What type of communist am I?

[The Old Man from Scene 24]

I am aware of the multiple types of communism, but I don't really know which one I am...

- I believe that communism needs to take over the world in any way possible.

- I believe Communism cannot happen by worker's unions. They are not effective enough. There needs to be militant actions taken, in order to make communism possible. When have workers revolutions ever been successful? Never, and I think that they never will be. Violent force is needed.

- I believe that in this day and age, there is no need for a transition into a moneyless society. We are not in the 1920's anymore.

- I believe that atheism should be the state religion, but not enforced. We cannot force people to believe in anything. It is not possible.

My plan for communism would be to contact communist governments such as Cuba, and ask for assistance in changing third world countries into communist ones. That would spread communism into more areas, giving more power to us.

You guys will probably ask me "Well, how does that help class struggle?"
The new governments in those countries would start helping their citizens. There would not be anything to stop the countries from taking action to improve the lives of its people. That land would be ours to turn into a functional society.

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PLP cadre

[Commissar Rykov]

State Religion? You call yourself a communist but discuss a State Religion? Strange especially since you said right above it there should be no transition State there we should go straight to Communism. Nevermind how silly that is IMHO. You seem rather confused. I would suggest a lot more reading from marxists.org and asking questions at this point you are contradicting yourself.

[Spawn of Stalin]

My plan for communism would be to contact communist governments such as Cuba, and ask for assistance in changing third world countries into communist ones.
I don't think you would have much luck with that.

[Die Rote Fahne]

I am aware of the multiple types of communism, but I don't really know which one I am...
It will take you some time to devlop a tendency. You do this by reading theorists like Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Luxemburg, Kautsky, Dunayevskaya, Kropotkin, Bakunin, etc.

marxists.org would be your source for the writings.


- I believe that communism needs to take over the world in any way possible.How do you mean? That It should be a global movement? And by any means, do you mean "Let's kill all black people, because it will give us communism faster!" or something retarded like that?

Please elaborate.


- I believe Communism cannot happen by worker's unions. They are not effective enough. There needs to be militant actions taken, in order to make communism possible. When have workers revolutions ever been successful? Never, and I think that they never will be. Violent force is needed.You believe in militant violent revolutions, but not violent worker revolutions. Who makes up the militants?

Successful workers revolutions: Paris Commune, Anarchist Spain.

Violent force is almost always necessary...and is usually a characteristic of worker revolutions...

Did you think most communists were pacifists, or democratic socialists?


- I believe that in this day and age, there is no need for a transition into a moneyless society. We are not in the 1920's anymore.This is an anarchist position.


- I believe that atheism should be the state religion, but not enforced. We cannot force people to believe in anything. It is not possible.That is the basic idea of all communists. Some Marxist-Leninists would enforce it, but Left Communists would not. Also..I thought you didn't want a transitory state?


My plan for communism would be to contact communist governments such as Cuba, and ask for assistance in changing third world countries into communist ones. That would spread communism into more areas, giving more power to us.All of those nations are communist in name only. Have fun trying to get aid from them...they're poor enough without spending more money on you.


You guys will probably ask me "Well, how does that help class struggle?"
The new governments in those countries would start helping their citizens. There would not be anything to stop the countries from taking action to improve the lives of its people. That land would be ours to turn into a functional society.

It's actually impossible to place you anywhere right now...do some reading. Check out some threads here, and keep asking questions!

[Magón]

- I believe Communism cannot happen by worker's unions. They are not effective enough. There needs to be militant actions taken, in order to make communism possible. When have workers revolutions ever been successful? Never, and I think that they never will be. Violent force is needed.

Okay, first off, workers rising up to break from their oppressors, doesn't mean their revolutionary actions have to be through a union. Second, who the hell is supposed to rise up against the Bourgeoisie if the workers, the ones who make everything in the world, and are the most numerous in the world, don't rise up?


- I believe that in this day and age, there is no need for a transition into a moneyless society. We are not in the 1920's anymore.

Well then you're not a Communism, because everyone, Marxist and Anarchist alike who see's Class Struggle as the way to Communism, see Communism as a moneyless system/society. Wanting a moneyless society, has nothing to do with the 1920s.

[The Old Man from Scene 24]

And by any means, do you mean "Let's kill all black people, because it will give us communism faster!" or something retarded like that?

WTF? NO! I DO NOT! What gave you that retarded idea?

[Die Rote Fahne]

WTF? NO! I DO NOT! What gave you that retarded idea?
You have to make clear by what you mean by "any means necessary"...some people could take that as we will kill as many as possible, or that we will resort to terrorism, we will use nuclear weapons, or what have you.

Care to explain what you meant?

[Property Is Robbery]

You need to read more and spend some time in learning because you don't sound like a revolutionary leftist

[Commissar Rykov]

"Any means necessary".

You have to make clear by what that means...some people could take that as we will kill as many as possible, or that we will resort to terrorism, we will use nuclear weapons, or what have you.

Indeed, it sounds like the typical nonsense spouted off by Red Alert Communists.

[The Old Man from Scene 24]

Well then you're not a Communism, because everyone, Marxist and Anarchist alike who see's Class Struggle as the way to Communism, see Communism as a moneyless system/society. Wanting a moneyless society, has nothing to do with the 1920s.

I do believe in a moneyless society. I said that I do not believe in a transition stage. I think that we should switch to a moneyless society right away.

[Commissar Rykov]

I do believe in a moneyless society. I said that I do not believe in a transition stage. I think that we should switch to a moneyless society right away.

Then you are definitely not a communist.

[The Old Man from Scene 24]

If no one agrees with me, then maybe I have no purpose on this forum. Maybe I am a capitalist after all.

[Commissar Rykov]

If no one agrees with me, then maybe I have no purpose on this forum. Maybe I am a capitalist after all.

Uh what? Either you are trolling or you really don't understand what you are arguing against or for.:confused:

[Manic Impressive]

What tendency you prefer is obviously a personal choice so we can't say you are this or that only you can. The tendency you choose will rely on how you think a revolution should be organized. The first thing you should look at is the vanguard party and decide whether you are for or against. If you're for then you are in one of the Marxist Leninist camps if against you could be some weird type of communist like me or an anarchist of some kind.

Or you could just say fuck tendencies and all the infighting splits and sectarianism that goes with it, read every contribution from previous writers without bias or prejudice and pick the bits which you think make sense and leave the rest.

[Magón]

If no one agrees with me, then maybe I have no purpose on this forum. Maybe I am a capitalist after all.

You can't be for a moneyless society, and be a Capitalist at the same time. The whole point of Capitalism is to make money!

I think you're just very confused, and don't have a good handle on what Communism means, or the theories in which to reach it, are. Read up on Marxist and Anarchist theories.

[Die Rote Fahne]

If no one agrees with me, then maybe I have no purpose on this forum. Maybe I am a capitalist after all.
No no no.

Listen to us, don't just read what we post.

Step 1: Go to marxists.org

Step 2: Read articles by Marx (such as the Communist Manifesto), Lenin, Luxemburg, Trotsky, Kautsky, Kropotkin, etc.

Step 3: Learn, and decide for yourself.

As well, to give you a basic rundown of some key ideas, wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-capitalism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_anarchism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leninism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxemburgism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trotskyism

[Magón]

Here is a good place for if you're interested in Anarchism.

http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/index.html

[Manic Impressive]

err can I just say what's with the hostility towards this guy? Are you lot feeling inadequate and needing to prove something?

and can we stop saying retarded please

[thesadmafioso]

You cannot proclaim yourself an adherent of any specific variant of communist ideology through four incredibly vague bullet points such as the ones you have provided.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Yeah how you supposed to educate workers in the real world when you can't even be nice to someone asking an innocent question on the internet? OP is clearly new at this and you wanna ask shit like "so you wanna kill all blacks huh?" God you guys amaze me sometimes.

[Die Rote Fahne]

Yeah how you supposed to educate workers in the real world when you can't even be nice to someone asking an innocent question on the internet? OP is clearly new at this and you wanna ask shit like "so you wanna kill all blacks huh?" God you guys amaze me sometimes.
First, that wasn't what I said.

What I said wasn't meant literally...nor was it aggressive.

My point was to get him/her to explain what "any means necessary" actually means to him.

I in no way believe that he meant "any means necessary" literally. Get a grip.

[Commissar Rykov]

Yeah how you supposed to educate workers in the real world when you can't even be nice to someone asking an innocent question on the internet? OP is clearly new at this and you wanna ask shit like "so you wanna kill all blacks huh?" God you guys amaze me sometimes.

You two are taking Comrade Hailtothethief far too literally he was just asking for an explanation for the extremely vague, "any means necessary" which is usually an allusion to genocide by most people I have met. I hardly found the question unwarranted and we got the clarification that was needed.

[Magón]

err can I just say what's with the hostility towards this guy? Are you lot feeling inadequate and needing to prove something?

and can we stop saying retarded please


Yeah how you supposed to educate workers in the real world when you can't even be nice to someone asking an innocent question on the internet? OP is clearly new at this and you wanna ask shit like "so you wanna kill all blacks huh?" God you guys amaze me sometimes.

I think you're both reading some posts that weren't necessarily written with a hostile, or rude tone to them.

[Manic Impressive]

well if we both saw it and the OP felt it as well perhaps you should consider how your posts will be interpreted. Your whole line of questioning and responses came across as condescending and in some cases trollish.

[Spawn of Stalin]

First, that wasn't what I said.

What I said wasn't meant literally...nor was it aggressive.

My point was to get him/her to explain what "any means necessary" actually means to him.

I in no way believe that he meant "any means necessary" literally. Get a grip.
Ok, let's play it your way....OP didn't say "by any means necessary". The person it was directed at took your post seriously anyway.

All I am suggesting is that your time would be better spent either answering the question or just politely saying look pal I think you need to spend a bit more time reading because you're kind of all over the place right now.

This is a learning forum, let's learn.

[Spawn of Stalin]

I mean don't get me wrong, talk to more experienced posters however you like, I don't care, but I'm sure you could've been a little more helpful.

[Commissar Rykov]

Ok, let's play it your way....OP didn't say "by any means necessary". The person it was directed at took your post seriously anyway.

All I am suggesting is that your time would be better spent either answering the question or just politely saying look pal I think you need to spend a bit more time reading because you're kind of all over the place right now.

This is a learning forum, let's learn.

Actually he did but phrased it differently "by any way possible." Now lets cut the condescension though I did find it delicious you complained about it then acted this way. Comradely behavior must take a backseat in order to seem correct I guess.

[Magón]

well if we both saw it and the OP felt it as well perhaps you should consider how your posts will be interpreted. Your whole line of questioning and responses came across as condescending and in some cases trollish.

Well obviously so can some of the OP's posts. Hence the reason why Hailtothetheif wanted clarification, and I stated plainly that it's a complete contradiction to say you're a possible Capitalist, when you're also saying there should be a moneyless system in society.

So either the OP was just trolling with his posts, and we got sucked into it, or the OP wasn't obviously able to clarify well enough for us, his questions and answers which were vague and a bit confusing for someone interested in Communism.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Actually he did but phrased it differently "by any way possible." Now lets cut the condescension though I did find it delicious you complained about it then acted this way. Comradely behavior must take a backseat in order to seem correct I guess.
What are you talking about "acting this way"? How am I acting? Like I'm sick of seeing confused newbies get trolled on every single day on revleft? Sure, that's pretty much how I feel. Wack.

[Manic Impressive]

Well obviously so can some of the OP's posts. Hence the reason why Hailtothetheif wanted clarification, and I stated plainly that it's a complete contradiction to say you're a possible Capitalist, when you're also saying there should be a moneyless system in society.

So either the OP was just trolling with his posts, and we got sucked into it, or the OP wasn't obviously able to clarify well enough for us, his questions and answers which were vague and a bit confusing for someone interested in Communism.
Every newbie is a possible troll we must interrogate them to weed out teh nazis :lol:

there seems to be a current trend of expecting every new person who comes here to learn to meet an expected standard. If they don't meet it they get some obnoxious pricks trying to make themselves feel big and intelligent by belittling someone.

Either way mate I don't really care I gave you guys some comradely advise on how to improve your posting style whether you take it is up to you :)

[Magón]

Every newbie is a possible troll we must interrogate them to weed out teh nazis :lol:

there seems to be a current trend of expecting every new person who comes here to learn to meet an expected standard. If they don't meet it they get some obnoxious pricks trying to make themselves feel big and intelligent by belittling someone.

Either way mate I don't really care I gave you guys some comradely advise on how to improve your posting style whether you take it is up to you :)

By going off the OP's joined date, he/she isn't really a newbie to this site, having joined in 2010. And has at least before joining, as most people do, lurked to see what's said in posts, and sort of what most people here uphold and see.

[The Idler]

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) About Socialism and the World ... (http://www.worldsocialism.org/articles/faq.php)

[Stranger Than Paradise]

- I believe that communism needs to take over the world in any way possible.

I suppose you mean you believe Communism has to be international. That is merely a facet of Communism, we are all internationalists.


- I believe Communism cannot happen by worker's unions. They are not effective enough. There needs to be militant actions taken, in order to make communism possible.

Could a union not take militant action if it was grounded in anti-capitalist, direct action politics?


When have workers revolutions ever been successful? Never, and I think that they never will be. Violent force is needed.

I don't understand why you differentiate between violent action and workers revolution. Can they not be one and the same?

Read this: http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1871/civil-war-france/index.htm


- I believe that in this day and age, there is no need for a transition into a moneyless society. We are not in the 1920's anymore.

Why was there more need for this in the 20's but less need for a transitionary stage now. All Communists don't believe that a workers revolution will immediately install Communism. We all believe in a transitionary stage to a moneyless, classless society. What we disagree over is the necessity of the state in this interim phase.



My plan for communism would be to contact communist governments such as Cuba, and ask for assistance in changing third world countries into communist ones. That would spread communism into more areas, giving more power to us.

How would Cuba assist in that process? A state can't force Communism upon other parts of the world, never mind the fact that Cuba isn't Communist. As Marx said "The emancipation of the working class must be the act of the workers themselves".

[Reznov]

So, OP, did you choose something that your going to read?

I would suggest starting off with The Communist Manifesto by Marx, then start reading Lenin to other Revolutionary writings onwards (Time-wise.)

Serouisly, it does no good to ask what your tendency is to other people. Read and discover it on your own.

[CommieTroll]

You seem lost and confused about your beliefs, or maybe you don't know your ass from your elbow when it comes to leftist politics. Get your facts straight before you post:laugh:

[CommieTroll]

- I believe that atheism should be the state religion, but not enforced. We cannot force people to believe in anything. It is not possible.
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Atheism is not a religion, get that into your head. I cannot be forced yes but people need to be thoroughly educated on the subject. If there is a revolution then I think there should be actions (maybe violent) taken against organised religions. You seem like a confused teenager who got the idea of ''Communism'' from Call of Duty or something where it is 100% propaganda.

[GallowsBird]

Come on people. I know the new member seems a bit confused but saying he is getting his ideas from games, tv shows et cetera and being overly hostile isn't particularly helpful, even an evil old "Stalinist" like me knows that.
We have to remember that many people while discovering a new line of thinking are confused and need guidance (to be done in a more respectful way)... not everyones like us who have been Communists for around a decade (or more) some merely know something is wrong without knowing what can be done about it.

My advice to the OP is to read the works of Marx and other great thinkers such as Lenin, as many can be found in libraries or online, and read about ideas online. Got to sites like Marxists.org or http://marxistleninist.wordpress.com/ and http://marxism.halkcephesi.net/ if you are specifically interested in Marxism-Leninism.

And join some groups here.

[The Old Man from Scene 24]

Okay let me get things straight. I was angry with Commissar Rykov for telling me that I'm not a communist, so I blurted out that I'm then a capitalist. I then thought about it more, and I think that I'm neither. I'm probably something new.

CommieTroll - I know atheism is not a religion. It is strictly the belief that there is no god. Even though it's not a religion, I refer to it as one when I'm talking about the state's beliefs.

I am greatly offended by people saying that I get the idea of communism from COD. In fact, it's quite the opposite. I stopped playing COD when I noticed that it's views on communism are totally inaccurate.

I don't know why I even post here anymore, because most people here are arrogant jerks.

[CommieTroll]

Okay let me get things straight. I was angry with Commissar Rykov for telling me that I'm not a communist, so I blurted out that I'm then a capitalist. I then thought about it more, and I think that I'm neither. I'm probably something new.

CommieTroll - I know atheism is not a religion. It is strictly the belief that there is no god. Even though it's not a religion, I refer to it as one when I'm talking about the state's beliefs.

I am greatly offended by people saying that I get the idea of communism from COD. In fact, it's quite the opposite. I stopped playing COD when I noticed that it's views on communism are totally inaccurate.

I don't know why I even post here anymore, because most people here are arrogant jerks.

I know what you meant when you were talking about Atheism being a state belief but you can't force Atheism on anyone much like any point of view or belief, that goes against Communism itself. Don't be offended when people assume you learned of Communism from Call of Duty, thats actually where I learned about it :lol: I knew it was mindless propaganda and read up on it myself, and the biased untruthful views of Communism in CoD piss me off too but what do you expect? Its just another form of Western media :laugh:

[Rusty Shackleford]

First off, to be a capitalist, you must own some sort of means of production. a factory, a business, be an investor or take part in some way with controlling the means of production for private profit.

So, unless you own something and employ other people to do work for you or you are a big time investor, you are not a capitalist. and you wont be one until you do something of the sort like what i just mentioned.

so, marxism 101: classes simplified.



A class is a socio economic group and a class is determined by how a group relates to the means of production.

the two main classes that exist pretty much world wide.

Capitalists (aka bourgeoisie pronounced boorzhwazee) owners of the means of production. purchase the labor of others and exploit them by keeping the difference they produce plus what they produce plus their very labor itself. they are a global minority but are the wealthiest. 400 of the richest american capitalist families have as much wealth as roughly 40-50 million of the poorest working class americans.

Workers (aka proletariat) People who do not own the means of production but rather must sell their labor to capitalists for a wage in order to survive. their lives are governed by their income. generally, that income is hardly enough to support a healthy life. global majority