Is my phone being tapped or am I paranoid?

[Broletariat]

I just heard a bunch of voices on the phone that weren't coming from either my end or the other person's end. It sounded like people talking to each other. None of my other phones were off the hook and neither were any on the other person's end. The voices were only heard on my end I would like to add.

What's the deal.

[Spawn of Stalin]

No you got a crossed line, the FBI aren't stupid enough to talk down the phone at people they are spying on

[Agent Ducky]

That is scary as hell. THE CIA IS ONTO YOU! RUN!

[Broletariat]

No you got a crossed line, the FBI aren't stupid enough to talk down the phone at people they are spying on

I kind of figured it wasn't the FBI, but anyone at all. It IS a cordless phone.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Sorry 2 disappoint bro

[Metacomet]

When you hear the black helicopters coming it will be to late..........

[Terminator X]

Are you high?

[Broletariat]

Are you high?

No, and I have had no previous signs or symptoms of any form of mental illness that would warrant suspicion of that either.

[Johnny Kerosene]

Say "Jihad" in a conversation and they'll probably start listening.

[xub3rn00dlex]

Say "Jihad" in a conversation and they'll probably start listening.

Indeed. You could always do what I do: before you say anything in any conversation, always go "Death to Obama." I try to be creative in making sure I come up with something they would waste resources tracking. You're probably being paranoid, but I've had calls where I've heard beeping before.

[Comrade J]

NSA are onto you, this is what you need

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/upload/2009/04/weekend_diversion_do_tinfoil_h/lg_159984317746d77dcd0703e.jpg

[Spawn of Stalin]

Awesome. That looks almost exactly like the costume I made for last Halloween.

[Magón]

No, it happens sometimes if signals get crossed, just like ground wires for a wired phone get crossed. It shouldn't last long, and probably won't happen very often.

[Blackscare]

Well think about it broski, if the only things that could possibly be of interest about you are internet communism and (I presume) petty drug acquisition, effectively there's no reason for anyone with the means to wiretap you to do so.

Also, I doubt that anyone wiretapping you is going to be talking about the weather with his buddy by accident when they're trying to get your d0x. In fact, it's probably not even possible for them to talk at all through whatever device is used to wiretap people, there's no reason for there to even be a microphone on one of those things (and tapping a cellphone is almost certainly done through digital means anyway, so there's definitely going to be no chatter in the background).




Be realistic and pragmatic dude, like a proper materialist. It's probably just a poltergeist, who's lady done did him wrong in a past life and is now doomed to make inane smalltalk over people's calls for all of eternity. His ladyshemp was probably a telemarketer.

[synthesis]

No you got a crossed line, the FBI aren't stupid enough to talk down the phone at people they are spying on

This may be true now, when calls are more likely to be recorded than "tapped" in the conventional sense, but that wasn't always the case. My dad worked with the Black Panthers in the 70's (via the ACLU) and he remembers talking to them on the phone and having calls interrupted by FBI agents who were tapping the line. The FBI would say shit like "I wouldn't say that if I were you," to which the Panther would respond with "fuck you you cocksucking pig motherfucker" or something along those lines. It was pretty brazen, is what I'm saying.

[GallowsBird]

No, as they would not be talking over the line, it is just crossed wires; if you were being tapped you wouldn't hear talking, coughing et cetera only a slight echo on the line and some static sounds (which can happen anyway so don't be too paranoid), ;)

I did hear a lot that if you phone this number 202-543-9994 and you hear stops in the (usually) steady monotone then you *MAY* be bugged. I think it may be an urban legend though sadly.

My best advice is to never talk about anything important that could get you in trouble over the phone... simple as that!

[praxis1966]

As others have said, it's just "crossed wires." I know most of the kiddies are too young to remember the good ol' days when almost nobody had cell phones, but trust me when I say that this sort of thing used to happen all the time on land lines... especially when you have people using cordless phones in domiciles that are within close proximity of one another.

It's a phenomenon called "crosstalk" which stems from the fact that the radio frequency your phone operates on is very close to or the same as the one your neighbor uses. It can also happen in cabled transmissions as well; computer network techs/admins like myself are very familiar with it as one of the drawbacks of using unshielded cable (which is cheap but prone to data errors of this kind).

[F9]

i once made a bad joke about chuck norris while talking on the phone.needless to say, a foot came off the phone and hit me

[Bright Banana Beard]

Well think about it broski, if the only things that could possibly be of interest about you are internet communism and (I presume) petty drug acquisition, effectively there's no reason for anyone with the means to wiretap you to do so.

Also, I doubt that anyone wiretapping you is going to be talking about the weather with his buddy by accident when they're trying to get your d0x. In fact, it's probably not even possible for them to talk at all through whatever device is used to wiretap people, there's no reason for there to even be a microphone on one of those things (and tapping a cellphone is almost certainly done through digital means anyway, so there's definitely going to be no chatter in the background).




Be realistic and pragmatic dude, like a proper materialist. It's probably just a poltergeist, who's lady done did him wrong in a past life and is now doomed to make inane smalltalk over people's calls for all of eternity. His ladyshemp was probably a telemarketer.
Nice try, FBI.

[gorillafuck]

No, if it was being tapped you would not hear voices (they would not talk into the phone). You'd hear occasional odd beeps though.

Are you really politically active?

[RedSunRising]

This may be true now, when calls are more likely to be recorded than "tapped" in the conventional sense, but that wasn't always the case. My dad worked with the Black Panthers in the 70's (via the ACLU) and he remembers talking to them on the phone and having calls interrupted by FBI agents who were tapping the line. The FBI would say shit like "I wouldn't say that if I were you," to which the Panther would respond with "fuck you you cocksucking pig motherfucker" or something along those lines. It was pretty brazen, is what I'm saying.

Right. Often if you arent involved in anything criminal they love letting you know they are keeping their idea on you.

[Agent Ducky]

Like what other comrades said,it's almost definitely crossed wire, like someone else's calls or whatever is on a similar frequency so they overlap each other. Kind of like sometimes, when I'm listening to the radio, I hear random police transmissions.

[Kuppo Shakur]

Probably Slender Man. Throw that fucking thing away.

[CleverTitle]

Like what other comrades said,it's almost definitely crossed wire, like someone else's calls or whatever is on a similar frequency so they overlap each other. Kind of like sometimes, when I'm listening to the radio, I hear random police transmissions.
No, your radio is tapped. The feds are lurking around every corner.

[An archist]

They probably wouldn't make it that obvious if they were tapping your phone, but nevertheless, don't say anything over the phone the police don't need to hear and when you have meetings about illegal stuff, put you cell phones in an other room. The technology to tap them (even when you're not calling) exists, so better be safe then sorry

[synthesis]

No, if it was being tapped you would not hear voices (they would not talk into the phone). You'd hear occasional odd beeps though.

I'd have to disagree. I don't think there's any "smoking gun" that would tell you one way or another. As far as I know, the only surefire way to know if you're being tapped is if your door's getting kicked in.

[praxis1966]

I'd have to disagree. I don't think there's any "smoking gun" that would tell you one way or another. As far as I know, the only surefire way to know if you're being tapped is if your door's getting kicked in.

^This. That old image from film and TV of the guy scaling the telephone pole or breaking into someone's house to mic their phone is obsolete. The way it works these days is mostly mechanical. Take the recent domestic spying scandal during the Bush administration.

What the NSA did in that case was install big boxes equipped with hardware and software that included voice recognition technology and pre-programmed filters at the phone company/ISP end. These devices were placed on the incoming side of the lines (both data and voice) before it hit the phone company's switches for rerouting. When flagged words were spoken/transmitted, a transcript was then sent to an analyst. They [the NSA] then were able to monitor hundreds, if not thousands, of transmissions at once without actually having somebody go anywhere near a residence. Also, there never would have been any beeps, clicks, or other indications of listening (like the old days) because the devices just don't work that way... they're more passive than that. I don't know how much you guys know about car stereos, but the NSA devices (to me) seemed analogous to an active crossover. That's a device which is installed inline and can be set to cancel, say, high frequency sound on a cable running into your subwoofers. The process used to do so, however, is completely listener transparent.

IIRC there was a lawsuit of some sort that arose out of the case, probably taken on by the ACLU, but I have no idea what the outcome was. If somebody who knows more about that end of it could hip us to the facts I'd be grateful.

[Rusty Shackleford]

its happened to me a few times. no correlation with my political activity as it has happened when i was younger and not political.

i actually sat down and listened to other peoples convos i was picking up even without dialing. it was cool.

[Cork Socialist]

this sounds like something I would have read on Abovetopsecret haha xD
but no seriously, I doubt your getting tapped and if you are they really suck at it :D

[SacRedMan]

Your phone was just talking with another phone...

That's what they do when you don't have them in your pocket or when they are out of sight :laugh:

[Labor Shall Rule]

If you aren't a high volume drug dealer or a dedicated activist then you shouldn't have a reason to think that way.

[Misanthrope]

No you got a crossed line, the FBI aren't stupid enough to talk down the phone at people they are spying on

Exactly this, what is more of a sign is an extra "click".

[redSHARP]

yeah...no offense to a lot of us here...but....I really do think the FBI/NSA has better things to do than wire tap our phones.

but being able to listen to other phone conversations has a hard core Alfred Hitchcock vibe to it...you might be listening to a group of murders!!!!!!:laugh:

[Dunk]

Is there any civilian technology available to encrypt phone calls? I know it's notoriously hard for the USG to tap into Skype calls. Pretty sure a lot of western governments have set their sights on Skype - a lot of people on the government naughty list use it.

[Rakhmetov]

Paranoia is a state of heightened awareness. Most people are persecuted beyond their wildest delusions. Those who are at ease are insensitive.

Psychiatric mystification is a powerful influence in the maintenance of people's oppression.

Schizophrenia is an experience saner than "normality" in this mad world.

Psychiatric deception of not being oppressed is at the root of people's alienation .

Personal liberation is only possible along with radical social reforms.

Psychiatry must stop its mystification of the people and get down to
work!


All persons competent in soul healing should be known as psychiatrists ... Extended individual psychotherapy silently colludes with the notion that people's difficulties have their sources within them while implying that everything is well with the world .... Adjustment to prevailing conditions [the status quo] is the avowed goal of most psychiatric treatment. Persons who deviate from the world's madness are given fraudulent diagnostic tests which generate diagnostic labels which lead to 'treatment' ... Psychological tests and the diagnostic labels they generate, especially schizophrenia, must be disavowed as meaningless mystifications ... Psychiatric disturbance is equivalent with alienation, which is the result of mystified oppression. Paranoia is a state of heightened awareness. Most people are persecuted beyond their wildest delusions. Those who are at ease are insensitive ... Psychiatry is a political activity.

A radical psychiatrist will take sides. He will advocate the side of those whom he is helping. The radical psychiatrist will not look for the wrongness within the person seeking psychiatric attention; rather, he will look for the way in which this person is being oppressed and how the person is going along with the oppression. The only problem that radical psychiatry looks for inside someone's head is how he empowers and enforces the lies of the oppressor and thereby enforces his own oppression.

Claude Steiner et al. Readings in Radical Psychiatry

Steiner hedged his bet a little by stating that every psychiatric diagnosis "except for those that are clearly organic in origin" is a form of alienation. William Blum, West-bloc Dissident: A Cold War Memoir


http://www.emotional-literacy.com/rpprin.htm (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.emotional-literacy.com/rpprin.htm)


http://www.emotional-literacy.com/rpman.htm (http://www.emotional-literacy.com/rpman.htm)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Radical_Therapist

[Impulse97]

I kind of figured it wasn't the FBI, but anyone at all. It IS a cordless phone.

That doesn't mean jack. They could snag that signal anywhere outta the air, but your probably just worrying over nothing. I've had crossed lines before too.

[Impulse97]

Rakhmetov.....WTF?!?!

[Rakhmetov]

Rakhmetov.....WTF?!?!

What??

http://www.revleft.com/vb/paranoia-state-heightened-t138664/index.html?t=138664&highlight=paranoia+state+heightened+awareness

[Agent Ducky]

No, your radio is tapped. The feds are lurking around every corner.

Shit that means the cops bugged my radio! DAMMIT NOW THEY KNOW ABOUT THE VANDALISM...