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Cuba Opposes U.S. Bombings
The U.S. is bombing Afghanistan and has already killed dozends if not hundreds of civilians. "Collateral damages" in the inhuman U.S. govermental language. In demonstrations around the world people have expressed their resistance against the air strikes.
Also Cuban President Fidel Castro opposes the military response because of effects on civilians. The day of the attacks, Cuba offers medical assistance to the American people, but makes no other offers to the United States, with which it has no diplomatic ties.

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[gooddoctor]

solidarity.

[ViktorPravda]

Thanks Malte for the sites. Good stuff.

[Jose Noe]

I am also against waht the U.S. is doing.

[Guest]

why would you be against what the U.S is doing? Why would you be against dismantling a governement, which the people of Afghanistan hate, and destroying a terrorist organization that has been involved in attacks not only in the U.S but in other middle eastern countries and responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent lives. Say what you want now, but if it were your country men who were so mercilessly exterminated you would also seek revenge. You would without a doubt retalihate. Expunging the ones who make terror is the only way of stopping it. For anyone who say that America "got what they deserved" they are fools. Do you think that everyone in america is a supporter of capitalism? I'm not. Capitalism is a system run by greed. The people who died on September 11 should not be looked upon as capitalists, they should be looked upon as human beings, like you and me.

[CommieBastard]

i dont think anyone has supported the attack of S11, but they dont support the attacks on afghanistan either.
How about you think about the afghans as people, and not just Islamic extremists?

[Guest]

Of course i regard the civilian population of Afghanistan as people. This has absolutely nothing to do with their religion. I condemn the U.S for "accidently" bombing a target near civilians and killing them. With the accuracy of their laser guided missiles, i find it hard to believe that the civilian casulaties could not have been prevented. THIS i am opposed to. Bombing military installations and training camps of terrorists i am not. I supported the initial objectives of operation "enduring freedom" or whatever it is. But in light of the deaths of Afghan civilians i am opposed to further bombings unless they are certain that there are no civilians. I do not come to start trouble, i'm just curious as to non-american opinions. being a teen in america, you tend to get ideas planted in your head by the news, teachers,parents... that they believe to be true, but are lies. thank you for your opinion, i wish we all could listen to what other people have to say.

[Guest]

Fuck Cuba! Fuck Afghanastan! Fuck this site! And fuck you! This is not only anti-American, but rediculous! Who quotes Fidel Castro?

[CommieBastard]

Guest 205.248.30.156 - It's people like you who keep me laughing (and, ofcourse, booze) which prevents me from shooting myself.

Guest - Despite how much the weapons of the US are praised by the US, they arent actually as good as they will have you beleive. Lazer guided weapons are, beleive it or not, not very good at targeting (i am, ofcourse, talking in an absolute measurement of accuracy, not a relative measurement).
And if you support the Destruction of terrorist camps then you support the destruction of most US military installations, and large parts of florida.

[Moskitto]

I oppose bombing civilians in war.

But the unfortunate thing is that so many on the left are so blinded by Anti-Americanism that they don't truly realise what is at stake.

This isn't some poor government in Afghanistan fighting against the great evil of US imperialism. Afghanistan under the Taliban IS much worse than the US.

Where would you rather be, A country where you'll probably just get an FBI file if you're a communist or a country where you'll be hung for not being a Muslim?

The Taliban are stuck in the stage of theocracy. It isn't that they aren't capitalist so we must support them. We mustn't support them because they are a step back. By being anti-something we risk putting ourselves back. We risk putting society back into a neo-fuedel world order then we have about 400 years to replace that with another system (probably capitalism). Then we have to replace that with socialism which will take how long? 200 years? 150? 400 years? By putting us back into fuedelism we'll have to wait 600+ years for a socialist state, by campaigning FOR Socialism compared to other systems we'll see socialism much earlier.

By all means tell people you disagree with the war but don't talk about the evils of American Imperialism without mentioning how evil the Taliban are.

[CommieBastard]

At least the Taliban only terrorises it's own people, the US terrorises the World.
However, you are right, they are both evil, but there is no need to point out the evils of the taliban, they are shoved down our throats every day by the media in a pathetic attempt to justify the murder of innocent civilians many of which dont even support the taliban...

[sabre]

This is Terrible - This is giving the U.S. Government another reason to scapegoat Cuba. Maybe even go as far as "They oppose our bombings! That must mean they support the Taliban!!" I think the U.S. is too tied up in Afghanistan to worry about slandering Cuba at htis point, though

[Moskitto]

http://www.rawa.org

That's how bad the Taliban really are

But the Northern Alliance are not much better

At least under the communist ragime most people actually had some basic rights.

[Guest]

Does Fidel Castro oppose the fact that 4500 innocent civilians were killed in the trade center attacks?

[Guest]

Does Fidel Castro oppose the fact that 4500 innocent civilians were killed in the trade center attacks?...lights out...guerilla radio...

[Guest]

Honestly? Who said that americas weapons are not as good as said to be? I am in Contact with officials who are in the knowhow...America is far advanced..and as for laser guided misslies not being accurate..please..they are accuratle to within4 mters of the target..the majority anyway..i should know.i manufacture them

[celticsocialist]

Guest, you must admit that anytime the american army is involved in something like this, schools or hospitals accidently get bombed or their own troops are killed by "friendly fire"
We keep getting told that they are bombing the Taliban front line but we never see any evidence of a front line.
At the start of the attacks, we had someone telling us that the US had now gained air superiority!!!
Has anyone ever seen a taliban plane or helicopter?

[Guest]

What Medical Aid could Cuba possibly offer the U.S.?

The U.S. should be offering Medical Aid to Cuba.

Oh-yeah, I forgot. The U.S. has offered Medical Aid and Food Supplies to Cuba.

Fidel Castro rejected the offer and ordered the U.S. ships to turn around a return to the U.S. with the Capitalistic supplied medicine.

As for dropping bombs on Afgahnistan - Well we dropped some big bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Killed millions of innocent Japanese - ended the war and the last relics of Fascism within days.

I wonder how many innocent lives El Che Killed in Cuba fighting for the Revolution?

I know he ordered children to be shot by firing squad - watched from his personal window.

War is War - People Die - Including the innocent.

And as far as I am concerned - people of the ignorant left can fucking die too.

[Capitalist]

Thank You For the OPEN Forum

What Medical Aid could Cuba possibly offer the U.S.?

As for dropping bombs on Afgahnistan - Well we dropped some big bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Killed millions of innocent Japanese - ended the war and the last relics of Fascism within days.

I wonder how many innocent lives El Che Killed in Cuba fighting for the Revolution?

War is War - People Die - Including the innocent.

[vox]

Hi, sweet Capitalist!

It's very nice to have you here, for you know your kind are oppressed by the liberal media, and we, of course, are obviously delusional.

For example, we know that well over 100,000 died in Japan. Please tell us, how many innocent civilians did El Che kill? For, of course, your statment implies that he killed, if not more, than many. At least tens of thousands, right?

Or are you using a common trick by placing to unrelated questions next to each other?

Of course you're not. You're Capitalist. So you MUST be speaking the truth. Capitalists have been so honest in the past, how could we doubt you?

I truly hope you show us the way, sweet and wonderful Capitalist.

vox (biding his time)

[Guest]

Hope you're good at biding.

[vox]

I have to be. Right-wing trolls are notoriously bad at actually answering questions. But, I'm a patient vox, and, of course, Capitalists are always amusing on these boards.

vox (like a cat with a mouse)

[Moskitto]

As for dropping bombs on Afgahnistan - Well we dropped some big bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Killed millions of innocent Japanese - ended the war and the last relics of Fascism within days.

Actually Fascism did not end when the US bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. First of all although Japan was allied with Fascist nations it was not itself Fascist. Japan was a monarchy and the regime (although not as bad) lasted until the death of Harihito in 1989.

Likewise the demise of Germany did not end Fascism even in Europe. Spain and Portugal were run by Fascist dictatorships well into the 70s at which time foreigners could be arrested for painting (Based on the story of someone I know.)

Indeed Fascism still existed within the military regimes in South America. Those of Argantina, Chile and Paraguay were particularly brutal towards Leftists and Foreigners and harboured some high level Nazi war criminals (It was a popular place as the governments were quite sympathetic.)

[Guest]

Why should we make a donation to America when they dont accept communism. When someone doesnt accept something that is a bad example from democartion

[Freiheit]

the usa (politcy etc.) were stupid,
are stupid,
and will stay stupid.

[Sabina]

I can believe that there are people that are for bombing Afghanistan....what are you people thinking about!?!
Sure there are crazy people there too, Talibans, but it's not only them who get hurt, there are civilians as well....those are the ones who get hurt.....help them instead!!!!

What it comes to USA - they can forget being what they always hoped to be - thanks to idiots who elected Bush as a president!!!!
They'll get what they asked for and the doom days have already began....

[Guest]

you're wrong about those "idiots who elected Bush", he wasn't elected.

[Guest]

there is only one reason for the bombings in Afghanistan: the chance to build a pipeline accross Afghanistan. They tried it several years before, but women organisation and some u.s. people who *know* and even *respect* human rights denied the plan.
Now some people (there was no afghan terrorist!) destroyed the WTC and finally the "bush"-called (he is only the one who stands for it, not the one who has power - only the oil and some other industries have real power) government of the usa has reasons to bomb afghanistan and make it pro-usa again - the usa was the country who supported the taliban and even Ossama bin Laden against Russia! And as soon as there is stability the pipeline plans will come again...

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[RAM]

I am against bombing of civilians and I think that there is no point, as they will only find Bin Laiden by chance.

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from Guest on 2:14 pm on Jan. 18, 2002
there is only one reason for the bombings in Afghanistan: the chance to build a pipeline accross Afghanistan. They tried it several years before, but women organisation and some u.s. people who *know* and even *respect* human rights denied the plan.
Now some people (there was no afghan terrorist!) destroyed the WTC and finally the "bush"-called (he is only the one who stands for it, not the one who has power - only the oil and some other industries have real power) government of the usa has reasons to bomb afghanistan and make it pro-usa again - the usa was the country who supported the taliban and even Ossama bin Laden against Russia! And as soon as there is stability the pipeline plans will come again...I hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of US citizens don't own oil companies, yet the war against Afghanistan was almost completely supported by Joe and Jane America. Say that they were misinformed (which is probably true), say that they were partially uninformed, but the fact of the matter is that with such strong numbers for a war, Bush was not going to pass up this opportunity. There may or may not be a pipeline going across Afghanistan soon, and if there is it will probably benefit the Bush administration. This war is definitely helping Bush since he owes Lockheed Martin and Boeing, who have both gotten millions from this war. Bush is a scumbag, but even if he wasn't going to do favors for his campaign donors by getting into a war, he still would have done it. The numbers in favor of the war were just too high.

Bush is corrupt, Bush is a scumbag, Bush is an idiot, Bush is a pushover, and we all know all of this, but when numbers support something as much as they supported a war against Afghanistan, Bush would have done it even if it hurt his campaign donors.

It's the aftermath of the war during which Bush will show his true colors.

[MJM]

The support was manufactured by the press, without the jumping to conclusions and pointing of fingers by CNN etc. there would be no overwhelming support.
The US govt. came out and blamed binladen,the taliban and afghanistan all without evidence.Their motive appears to be the pipeline issue. I've heard they wanted to do this before the 911 events it seems to have acted as a catalist to gain public support.

Personally I find it offensive that the press acts in this manner and it makes them the worst capitalists of all.

[El Brujo]

I think the CIA is just as responsible for the september 11th incidents as Osama Bin Laden. Those fucking idiots trained him in the first place during their obsessive, fanatical, anti-commnuist spurt.

[Xvall]

Indeed, Many people I know are opposed to this. Basically, the government made us pay money to support mass murdurers, and in return, our friends have paid for it with their lives? Any logic in this? Nope. Unfortunately the majority of people in this country are far too stuck up and blinded by patriotism to try solving a peroblem without killing people. Just about everything that has been done against us, has resulted in us killing far more people. The Japanese bombed a military target, so in return we went and dropped a nuclear bomb on two cities, destroying at least four hospitals, and elementary school, and sending over 200,000 people to a slow and painful death. Because of Uncle Scam and his drug smuggling with Norigea a while back. We ended up bombing panama, killing over 6,000 people because the Stealth Bomber can't schoot straight. One Hundred Million dollar batman plane, and it doesn't even work. The same thing happened with Iraq. Just because we 'Fear' that they can be a threat, we have leveled sacntions against Iraq, resulting in the death of over 500,000 children. And then Madeline Albright says, "It's worth it." If a person wants to talk about 'mass murder' and 'genocide', they should double check their own countries history.

- Drake Dracoli

[Guest]

A bunch of Afgahns decided to get revenge on the US so now a bunch of USAians want to get revenge on The Afgahns. is any one else feeling this is'nt the solution to our problems

-war begets war, hate begats hate, love begats love

[Nateddi]

what you said is completely wrong

[Guest]

We need another superpower,china? Someone to stand up to the 3 sixes(america). Thankfully not all the people in america agree with Bush the ANTI-CHRIST