Che Not Allowed

[libertino]

I just came back from Havana, Cuba. Bought my son a Che necklace. His fourth grade teacher says he cannot wear it because it might offend others. It's a public school. Is this legal or is it facism? :angry:

[Guest1]

in a public highschool, no, it's not legal.

[BXs Prophet]

It's Legal. If the shirt offends someone, in school, the child shouldn't be able to wear it. They'll tell a Nazi to remove his Hitler t-shirt if it offends Jews, who attend the school. :ph34r:

[bluerev002]

Its not illegal, the freakin skool system has a set of rules aside from the rest of the world. Tell him to wear it anyways, and if they say something again bring it up. What can they do?

[nezvanova]

fourth grade you say? I find it hard to believe that it would offend anyone in grade school. at most, it would offend a teacher, and, in my experience, teachers are not supposed to express any sort of political bias. I think that he should be allowed to wear it, especially if it is in public school.

[Alejandro C]

it is a political symbol and is 100% legal to wear. they cannot make him take it off unless it is causing a noticable distraction from learning for other students. that is the law. it doesn't matter about its effect on the teacher. what they are doing is illegal.

[X JoeyNormal X]

Prophet - By your avatar, I deduce that you are yet to get laid. My condolences.

[FistFullOfSteel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 02:47 AM
I just came back from Havana, Cuba. Bought my son a Che necklace. His fourth grade teacher says he cannot wear it because it might offend others. It's a public school. Is this legal or is it facism? :angry:
its legal,in my school,all show where they belong to...question:how was it in havana??some people says that all are poor and so on..it that true? <_<

[Saint-Just]

I would have thought that in a situation like this it is up to the teacher, and schools discretion. If you pursued a legal path I believe there would be little to say that your son could not wear it. However, if the teacher says no you&#39;ll just have to accept that.

Although it is ridiculous, Che offending other kids is an extremely right-wing view. I know we do not live in a socialist society, and Che was a communist, but most reasonable people in liberal western democracies accept Che as an icon and certainly do not view him as they would Hitler. Indeed some see a Che picture as little more than a fashion statement. Therefore your teacher is operating outside the confines of what the norm in our system, they really are a hypocrite and are making things unjustifiably awkward for people.

[Le Libérer]

Originally posted by hugo+Oct 3 2003, 06:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hugo @ Oct 3 2003, 06:31 PM)
[email protected] 3 2003, 02:47 AM
I just came back from Havana, Cuba. Bought my son a Che necklace. His fourth grade teacher says he cannot wear it because it might offend others. It&#39;s a public school. Is this legal or is it facism? :angry:
its legal,in my school,all show where they belong to...question:how was it in havana??some people says that all are poor and so on..it that true? <_< [/b]
Yeah &#33; I want your account of Cuba as well.

And back to the subject, how many American 4th graders would know Che? Unless they were brought up to respect him. I would shcedule a teacher/ parent conference.

[BXs Prophet]

Originally posted by X JoeyNormal [email protected] 3 2003, 06:41 AM
Prophet - By your avatar, I deduce that you are yet to get laid. My condolences.
:lol: You have got to be kidding me. Anyways, I uploaded this avatar to piss off the females in the "abortion" topic, who think i&#39;m a misogynist...I didn&#39;t think it would offend the trans-gendered as well :lol: Let me hurry up and remove it.

[Vinny Rafarino]

The simplest solution comrade would be to chat up the teacher yourself. Perhaps pop in right after the lessons are over to find out A] if the school has any dress codes in place and B] find out why the teacher thinks someone would be offended by a political icon.

I suggest you also tell the teacher that your child will continue to wear the necklace unless a court order prohibits it.

I doubt the issue will go much further than that.

[Ian]

RAF mate I don&#39;t know whether you are kidding or not, that would be a nightmare for me if I was in 4th Grade :)

[Red Flag]

if your child KNOWS who Che is and WANTS to represent him on a knecklace, FUCK THE SCHOOL.. let him wear it, unless a court order says he cant, which it wont.. dont let conservative righties push you and your child around..

where is this school if you dont mind me asking?

[sapho]

:D Dont let the teacher push your son around. She is probably a fascist who hates great men like Che. You have a great case for a lawsuit.

[libertino]

To respond to a couple of you who wanted to know how Havana is:

It was my second visit. I go every year for a social work conference.

It is true that Cuba is much poorer than the U.&#036;. This is mainly due to the blockade and USSR no longer able to assist them. However, when I say "poorer," I am judging it by U.&#036;. standards. Although I adhere to Socialist views, I am still a victim of the brainwashing and conditioning of this materialist society. So if I visit a place that doesn&#39;t have DVD players, Playstation 2, BMW&#39;s, etc. I&#39;m going to be a little biased.

Yet, the people of Havana are happy, healthy, beautiful, friendly. They don&#39;t have a materialistic mentality like most U.&#036;. citizens do. I don&#39;t think we in the U.&#036;. could even begin to comprehend or think the way we do.

But I love Cuba, Havana in general, and plan to return on at least a yearly basis.

Did I mention the people there are beautiful?

[Anarchist Freedom]

yah dude im not supposed to were my che shirt on dress down days bcuz i go to a private school and well my teachers called him a murderer once&#33;

i was pissed soo i yelled at him and he said he was sorry



:che:

[sapho]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2003, 09:46 PM
To respond to a couple of you who wanted to know how Havana is:

It was my second visit. I go every year for a social work conference.

It is true that Cuba is much poorer than the U.&#036;. This is mainly due to the blockade and USSR no longer able to assist them. However, when I say "poorer," I am judging it by U.&#036;. standards. Although I adhere to Socialist views, I am still a victim of the brainwashing and conditioning of this materialist society. So if I visit a place that doesn&#39;t have DVD players, Playstation 2, BMW&#39;s, etc. I&#39;m going to be a little biased.

Yet, the people of Havana are happy, healthy, beautiful, friendly. They don&#39;t have a materialistic mentality like most U.&#036;. citizens do. I don&#39;t think we in the U.&#036;. could even begin to comprehend or think the way we do.

But I love Cuba, Havana in general, and plan to return on at least a yearly basis.

Did I mention the people there are beautiful?
Thanks Libertino for your assessment of Cuba. I have heard from some friends of mine exactly what you wrote. The United States tries to tell its people that Cuba is all bad. I guess to experience Cuba, one must go there and find out for yourself.

[harely]

okay, i don&#39;t know if it&#39;s legal or not, but what the hell? it&#39;s a necklace how big can it be for it to offend others or for them to even notice it at that. their forth graders, and like Debora said how many even know Che? You should really talk to his teacher, that is if your son really wants to wear it, let the teacher know what Che represents, maybe he/she will be more tolerable. ;)

[bush youth]

In America, during those sickeningly patriotic days of War on Iraq, someone was arrested for wearing a t-shirt in a mall that said &#39;give peace a chance&#39; because he refused to take it off. (I read that on the CNN website),

So I think it could be illegal to refuse to take off something that is political/opiniated. But I hope that doesn&#39;t stop anyone from it.

[Fidelbrand]

no problem ~~~&#33; just that the teacher is biased abt Che ~ <_< ....

Thanks to libertino for his experience in & views on Cuba ~

[Iepilei]

I really fail to see how Che could offend anyone, really. His causes were just - he was a hero to many people. To say Che would offend someone (and ban his image) would be the same as saying children shouldn&#39;t be able to wear a crucifix.

[FabFabian]

I think it is kind of hard to keep tabs on your bathing schedule, when you are busy with a revolution.

[Jesus Sanchez]

I dout enough people know who che is to find him offensive.

[guevara-marley]

i don&#39;t think that this is illegal&#33; i really know this situation&#33; once they gave me a worse mark in school.. i really think its unfair&#33; and it&#39;s only a neclace&#33;&#33; it wouldn&#39;t chénge the world&#33;

teté

[lasseniko]

Oh my......
In Denmark, that would never happining.
We hafe the right to mean whatever we wan&#39;t. And if you wan&#39;t to go with a Che shirt, then you with a Che shirt. But very well everyone in denmark goes in the public school (is the best :D ).

[Intifada]

fuck the teachers. i go to a private school in scotland and i got into trouble for putting up a no war poster.

[jani]

hey, i couldnt believe it, that in some school its forbidden to wear che shirt or something. its just bullshit. you have to know, i live in germany. and here at school, you can wear whatever you want.
so somekids wear che shirt, and dont even know who che was. just to wear something rebellious, whichs also cool. but its good to spread ches political views. exspacially in germany, if you know, what i mean.

cu Jani