Toppler
18th May 2011, 21:20
http://www.soviet-empire.com/ussr/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=37738
Examples:
In Hungary the number of political prisoners stood at 7,093 in 1953, while Czechoslovak jails had held some 25,000 "politicals" (proportionately, two and a half times as many as in Hungary) as early as 1949.
In Hungary some 500 individuals were executed for political reasons in the 1946-1956 period. From 1945 to 24 February 1951, 227 executions took place. Of the 227 persons in question, 146 had been sentenced for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
The scale of executions proved quite similar in the other East European countries: 178 in Czechoslovakia between October 1948 and the end of 1952, 137 in Romania from 1945 to 1964, and 20 in Poland between 1950 and 1953.
The greatest purge the Vietnamese Workers' Party ever experienced took place in the course of the 1953-1956 land reform campaign, which was patterned after the Chinese model. By December 1955 the rent-reduction campaign had affected 7,77 million people, i.e., 63 per cent of the population. Of the 44,444 "landlords" identified, 3,939 were tried and 1,175 executed.
The second stage of the campaign (the land reform proper) had affected 4 million people by December 1955, of whom 18,738 were "revealed" as "concealed landlords" (these "revelations" led to further 3,312 trials and 162 executions). The scope of the repression can be gauged from that during the "correction" of the land reform's "errors" (1956-1957), the authorities released 23,748 political prisoners. By contrast, the North Korean land reform, though partly inspired by Chinese examples, proved essentially bloodless, as did the East European land reforms.
So much for the burgeois lie that wherever a communist party takes power, millions are butchered. Most of the Eastern Bloc states killed less people than a single American air raid over Iraq. Perhaps Stalin and Mao's terror cannot be misunderstood to be typical of communist party rule in general?. Of course, the answer to this question is clear: no.
I would be surprised if the same did not apply to the USSR after 1950, by the way.
This also explains why anybody over 30 who is not a rapid rightwinger here in Slovakia would spit in your face if you compared communism to nazism. So much for the "communism is worse than nazism" bullshit. It also explains why I know about multiple Holocaust survivors around me, but no "victim of communism", even if it supposedly killed 250 million people (which is so stupid that it warrants a punch in the face).
Sorry for "Soviet masturbation" thread, but I am pissed off because one of my friend's friends has become a full blown neo-Nazi (he calls himself a "patriot", but is a clear Nazi, he thinks Adolf Hitler had a "good idea", and when my friend confronted him with Hitler's crimes, he says it is irrelevant because "communists killed more than World War 2", of course, he is not even an adult less alone having any idea of what communist rule here was actually like) and I am pissed off about how truth was raped by the parasitic burgeois media.
Compare these numbers with Suharto's genocide:
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2009/07/07/suharto-monster-of-the-cia-and-u-s-empir-1
Backlands army units are reported to have executed thousands of Communists after interrogation in remote jails…Armed with wide-blade knives called parangs, Moslem bands crept at night into the homes of Communists, killing entire families and burying the bodies in shallow graves…The murder campaign became so brazen in part of rural East Java that Moslem bands placed the heads of victims on poles and paraded them through villages. The killings have been on such a scale that the disposal of the corpses has created a serious sanitation problem in East Java and Northern Sumatra, where the humid air bears the reek of decayed flesh. Travelers from these areas tell of small rivers and streams that have been literally clogged with bodies; river transportation has at places been seriously impeded.[1]
In order to justify this campaign of extermination, the army told people in the towns and villages that the PKI was about to go on a killing spree against all non-communists. PKI members were accused of digging mass graves, compiling lists of people to be executed, and stockpiling special instruments to gouge out eyeballs.[2]
The massacres, which were most intense in East and Central Java and on Bali, spread to Aceh in northern Sumatra, Sulawesi (the Celebes) and Kalimantan (Borneo). It is not known exactly how many were killed, but Indonesian activists estimate the number at from one to three million people. The only recent massacre of this magnitude was the Rwandan government’s attempted genocide of the Tutsi people in 1994, which left 800,000 dead.
Now, I still believe in Dubcek's vision of socialism with a human face (and no, it is not capitalism, it worked until Soviet tanks came in August 1968, and no, he was not present in the post-1989 goverment, well, for a short time because of popular vote until he died in a car accident under "mysterious circumstances" [possible car trapping by corrupt pigs like Meciar]), but I don't blame Klement Gottwald for executing some people. When I see what capitalist and fascist pigs do to us and to their own people, I understand why someone might think some people have to be executed. At least Gottwald executed only politicians, and did it at least civilizedly, not by a frenzied mob of Islamic thugs who murder you and thrown your body into a river until corpses stop its flow.
Examples:
In Hungary the number of political prisoners stood at 7,093 in 1953, while Czechoslovak jails had held some 25,000 "politicals" (proportionately, two and a half times as many as in Hungary) as early as 1949.
In Hungary some 500 individuals were executed for political reasons in the 1946-1956 period. From 1945 to 24 February 1951, 227 executions took place. Of the 227 persons in question, 146 had been sentenced for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
The scale of executions proved quite similar in the other East European countries: 178 in Czechoslovakia between October 1948 and the end of 1952, 137 in Romania from 1945 to 1964, and 20 in Poland between 1950 and 1953.
The greatest purge the Vietnamese Workers' Party ever experienced took place in the course of the 1953-1956 land reform campaign, which was patterned after the Chinese model. By December 1955 the rent-reduction campaign had affected 7,77 million people, i.e., 63 per cent of the population. Of the 44,444 "landlords" identified, 3,939 were tried and 1,175 executed.
The second stage of the campaign (the land reform proper) had affected 4 million people by December 1955, of whom 18,738 were "revealed" as "concealed landlords" (these "revelations" led to further 3,312 trials and 162 executions). The scope of the repression can be gauged from that during the "correction" of the land reform's "errors" (1956-1957), the authorities released 23,748 political prisoners. By contrast, the North Korean land reform, though partly inspired by Chinese examples, proved essentially bloodless, as did the East European land reforms.
So much for the burgeois lie that wherever a communist party takes power, millions are butchered. Most of the Eastern Bloc states killed less people than a single American air raid over Iraq. Perhaps Stalin and Mao's terror cannot be misunderstood to be typical of communist party rule in general?. Of course, the answer to this question is clear: no.
I would be surprised if the same did not apply to the USSR after 1950, by the way.
This also explains why anybody over 30 who is not a rapid rightwinger here in Slovakia would spit in your face if you compared communism to nazism. So much for the "communism is worse than nazism" bullshit. It also explains why I know about multiple Holocaust survivors around me, but no "victim of communism", even if it supposedly killed 250 million people (which is so stupid that it warrants a punch in the face).
Sorry for "Soviet masturbation" thread, but I am pissed off because one of my friend's friends has become a full blown neo-Nazi (he calls himself a "patriot", but is a clear Nazi, he thinks Adolf Hitler had a "good idea", and when my friend confronted him with Hitler's crimes, he says it is irrelevant because "communists killed more than World War 2", of course, he is not even an adult less alone having any idea of what communist rule here was actually like) and I am pissed off about how truth was raped by the parasitic burgeois media.
Compare these numbers with Suharto's genocide:
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2009/07/07/suharto-monster-of-the-cia-and-u-s-empir-1
Backlands army units are reported to have executed thousands of Communists after interrogation in remote jails…Armed with wide-blade knives called parangs, Moslem bands crept at night into the homes of Communists, killing entire families and burying the bodies in shallow graves…The murder campaign became so brazen in part of rural East Java that Moslem bands placed the heads of victims on poles and paraded them through villages. The killings have been on such a scale that the disposal of the corpses has created a serious sanitation problem in East Java and Northern Sumatra, where the humid air bears the reek of decayed flesh. Travelers from these areas tell of small rivers and streams that have been literally clogged with bodies; river transportation has at places been seriously impeded.[1]
In order to justify this campaign of extermination, the army told people in the towns and villages that the PKI was about to go on a killing spree against all non-communists. PKI members were accused of digging mass graves, compiling lists of people to be executed, and stockpiling special instruments to gouge out eyeballs.[2]
The massacres, which were most intense in East and Central Java and on Bali, spread to Aceh in northern Sumatra, Sulawesi (the Celebes) and Kalimantan (Borneo). It is not known exactly how many were killed, but Indonesian activists estimate the number at from one to three million people. The only recent massacre of this magnitude was the Rwandan government’s attempted genocide of the Tutsi people in 1994, which left 800,000 dead.
Now, I still believe in Dubcek's vision of socialism with a human face (and no, it is not capitalism, it worked until Soviet tanks came in August 1968, and no, he was not present in the post-1989 goverment, well, for a short time because of popular vote until he died in a car accident under "mysterious circumstances" [possible car trapping by corrupt pigs like Meciar]), but I don't blame Klement Gottwald for executing some people. When I see what capitalist and fascist pigs do to us and to their own people, I understand why someone might think some people have to be executed. At least Gottwald executed only politicians, and did it at least civilizedly, not by a frenzied mob of Islamic thugs who murder you and thrown your body into a river until corpses stop its flow.