Reactionary Chatter XXVI - Living Down to Expectations

[Jazzratt]

The first rule of reactionary chatter is that you don't talk about reactionary chatter. The second rule is that you talk absolute crap until I have to close it and come up with another bloody title.

[Kotze]

Why don't we form an international online band or something like that (restricted members welcome)?

Say, 2 people put stuff on their individual youtube accounts, with a little help of this (http://twoyoutubevideosandamotherfuckingcrossfader.com/) somebody combines the audio, puts it on youtube again, and so on.

I don't play any instrument, but I can write some lyrics.

:cool:

[PhoenixAsh]

Good idea...but I am useless. I can however be the bands elected manager or groupy. :-) I won't sleep with anybody though...

[hatzel]

I can pretty much handle that. If you like Turkish piano :lol:

[PhoenixAsh]

zHEiRjoWo68


DONT TAK MA SIGARETTES!!!!


Pretty much me in the morning if I can't smoke...

[La Comédie Noire]

Living down to Expectations:

Last night I was drunk and burnt the roof of my mouth while eating a particularly hot Shepard's pie.

Now it hurts to eat. :(

[hatzel]

You know what...most people, when drunk, tuck into a kebab, at best a Pot Noodle. I've never known anybody to say 'maaaaan I'm pissed...I'll just rustle up a shepherd's pie, yeah, that's what I'm in the mood for'...unless I'm not getting the whole story here :)

[PhoenixAsh]

I basically eat anything when I am drunk...

[Le Libérer]

I basically eat anything when I am drunk...

My homemade chicken and dumplings. When I cook it, its enough for a small army so I divide it into portions and freeze it just the joyous occasion of drunkenness.

I started "Joyous Occasion of the Day" comments daily on facebook. Its been met with a very warm reception.

[Revolution starts with U]

My bones are expanding and contracting because of the climate change (just general CC, not global warming type)....
It's giving me a massive toothache :bored:

[hatzel]

I started a "Joyous Occasion of the Day" comment daily on facebook. Its been met with a very warm reception.

When I was still studying on my History of European Political Ideas course, I would update my status to be...well, puns on the name of the particular philosopher we were reading at that time. Such classics as 'corn on the Hobbes', 'Locke, stock and two smoking barrels' 'full Marx' and 'I really Nietzsche, baby'...didn't really get any reception, actually, because nobody had the foggiest what I was on about :( Shame, really...

[Revolution starts with U]

If you don't cap your Plato, it will dry out.
(Admittedly I stole that from Home Improvement :lol:)

[hatzel]

I'm going to...slightly buck the trend, but it's still worth it...almost...

Knock knock?
Who's there?
Euripides!
Euripides who?
Euripides trousers and you're paying for them!

:laugh:

Also I'm sorry to hear that you're getting all big and then all small and then all big and then all small. Must be a tough time for you...

[PhoenixAsh]

Sounds good...actually it has got everything. Protein, carbs, salts, minerals, fluid ...low fat.

So...it goes great with alcohol. :)

[Revolution starts with U]

We just got a big deal we have to ship out ASAP. Socrates these bannanas and get them to shipping :)
(does it work? It might be stretching it :lol:)

Also, the Jung and the Restless (but that's an easy one)

[hatzel]

We just got a big deal we have to ship out ASAP. Socrates these bannanas and get them to shipping :)

I don't get it. I'm not even going to thank that post, sorry :blushing:

[Revolution starts with U]

I don't get it. I'm not even going to thank that post, sorry :blushing:

I kinda figured it was stretching. It would have worked far better in audio.
So-crate-these bannanas.

[hatzel]

So-crate-these bannanas.

Ah! Yeah, I was like 'sock-rat these bananas? What the hey? :confused:', though we were talking about one of these badboys:

http://carpefactum.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/14/sock_rat_tease_play_doh_2.jpg

Anyway, I'm currently reading Wobblies & Zapatistas (http://infoshop.org/amp/Wobblies_and_Zapatistas.pdf). Anybody read it? I'm finding it pretty interesting :)

[Ele'ill]

I trolled a friend on facebook because they were being obnoxious and now they're not talking to me.

[Ele'ill]

Anyway, I'm currently reading Wobblies & Zapatistas (http://infoshop.org/amp/Wobblies_and_Zapatistas.pdf). Anybody read it? I'm finding it pretty interesting :)


That may be my next book. I've been reading parts of this at a friend's house- http://i43.tower.com/images/mm100484013/no-gods-masters-anthology-anarchism-daniel-guerin-paperback-cover-art.jpg


Several parts of it are irritatingly boring.

[PhoenixAsh]

I trolled a friend on facebook because they were being obnoxious and now they're not talking to me.

Are you sad because they are not talking to you? Or are you just having feelings of succes? :)

[PhoenixAsh]

I made a (the) (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2110888&postcount=376) girl cry today at the gym...just by looking at her.

[Agent Ducky]

Dang, I didn't get on the first page. Whatever. If someone starts a Revleft band, can I be the band's graphic designer? Make a logo and stuff? I did that for my friends band. Actually, the logo is pretty awesome and revolutionary so I should find it and post it here when I get home =D

[hatzel]

when I get home

Don't tell me you're RevLefting at school or something. Naughty! :(

[Ele'ill]

Are you sad because they are not talking to you? Or are you just having feelings of succes? :)


It wasn't that good of a troll run and I deleted the conversation etc.. but I'm wondering if they're just insecure and stuck in a rut right now.

[PhoenixAsh]

well...give it a day or so...or if you are really worried about it send them a pm.

[hatzel]

So let's got all mushy up in this joint. This is my current mood:

http://data.whicdn.com/images/8225623/love,thinking,of,you,comic,couple,own,business,lik e,you-fe113654a9c06b11e6b3747916758017_h_large.jpg?13010 96544

The Bridges of Madison County ain't got nuttin' on me!

To skip the romance and sentimentality, let's just get straight to silly Germans:

http://www.fehlerleser.de/wp-content/themes/magazeen/timthumb.php?src=http://www.fehlerleser.de/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/fischenchips.jpg&w=500&h=800&zc=1

See, I'm a little summin' for everything, me :)

[PhoenixAsh]

So....back to the thinking about somebody part....r u in luv??:)

[Skooma Addict]

I made a (the) (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2110888&postcount=376) girl cry today at the gym...just by looking at her.

What a psycho *****.

[Agent Ducky]

Don't tell me you're RevLefting at school or something. Naughty! :(

I am RevLefting at school. What are you gonna do about it? :lol: I have nothing else to do except maybe attempt to make artwork =/.... Well, I don't have the means to do any of the stuff required of me at this moment in this class... So I RevLeft and draw random stuff in adobe Illustrator and photoshop.

[PhoenixAsh]

no, don't call her that. She absolutely isn't....she is just...very frightened, insecure and has some issues.


She avoided me...but she kept looking at me. I still noticed her watching me ...mirrors everywhere. So when she was looking at me again...I suddenly turned around and looked her straight in the eyes.

You know the look you can give somebody whit just the right mix of sadnes, disappointnment, disapproval and hurt?

She started crying and ran out...


I send one of her friends after her. The one that is the least inclined to chose sides. They both left together a few minutes later. So...I am bound to hear what she is upset about eventually.

She did cause a huge freakout and rift in the social group and its dynamics by her FB stories...

[Revolution starts with U]

drama :rolleyes:

[PhoenixAsh]

cool he? Like I am back in highschool all over again....ahhh...those were the days. ;)

[Agent Ducky]

cool he? Like I am back in highschool all over again....ahhh...those were the days. ;)

Um,am I the only one who has almost completely managed to avoid drama throughout high school? I guess I'm not out of high school yet, but I think I'm really good at not getting into drama even though it happens around me. =] I mean, everyone portrays high school as these years full of drama and stuff,but I don't experience any of that. O_O is there something wrong with me? :lol:

[The Man]

Genius:

http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/6b3707dd-3d52-4037-9fb1-bbd9b8eb634b.gif?w=320&h=240

[Agent Ducky]

Edit: What the fuuuuuu did it do to my picture of che?

[RGacky3]

I made a (the) (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2110888&postcount=376) girl cry today at the gym...just by looking at her.


It made you smile ... Just a bit?? Common .....


So...I am bound to hear what she is upset about eventually.


NOOOO NOOOO, don't do it, this is the point where you put on your sun glasses and go eat an ice cream, not try and fix some not-worth-crap girl's insecurity problems.

[Le Libérer]

I trolled a friend on facebook because they were being obnoxious and now they're not talking to me.

I have a friend not talking to me too cuz of facebook.A thread she responded to came through my newsfeed , I read the link, the field was open to type in and commended. The next post from her was, Im sure you dont know "this person" cotr, and you shouldnt post here, if you want to discuss it on my page then fine. I looked and sure enough, he wasnt a friend, so to appease her, I emailed him, apologized if I had overstepped my boundaries. He wrote back saying he loved my posts and sent a friend request. He then went into the thread and told her to back off, he had opened his profile for anyone on facebook to post and he enjoyed my views.

Now shes going around telling people I have disrespected her. Its hard to tell someone their personal moral code of ettiquette doesnt apply to the internet, to just get over it and still keep your friendship. :D

Needless to say, I have apologized about that 3 times now, and have no plans to revisit it. Too bad really, someone who confesses to be a forgiving Christian is so petty.

All this over a thread that came through my newsfeed.

[Le Libérer]

What a psycho *****.

Infraction.
Prejudice language,

[PhoenixAsh]

It made you smile ... Just a bit?? Common .....

Smile is not the right word. But I did naturally feel vindicated...sweet but bitter victory??


NOOOO NOOOO, don't do it, this is the point where you put on your sun glasses and go eat an ice cream, not try and fix some not-worth-crap girl's insecurity problems.

I am not going to fix anything. I gave her enough chances and jumped through enough hoops. If she wants things fixed she can try....perhaps when I think the effort good enough I'll let her.

[PhoenixAsh]

Social networks can be both a blessing and a curse. Developing their own set of morals and social etiquette....which can hav lasting impact on RL.

They also make communication flat. I have this friend who keeps misunderstanding me...taking everything to the letter because she is unable to apply personality to the posts....with which she has no problems when the exact same remark is made right into her face. So I litterally have to drown every post in smilies. Lucky we see each other often...so everythingh can be smoothed over.

[Revolution starts with U]

Infraction.
Prejudice language,

Seen that coming :D :thumbup1:

[Skooma Addict]

I don't think you properly understood the context of the situation and thus misinterpreted my post.

[El Chuncho]

http://thepeoplescube.com/images/Newsweek_Racist_Cats.jpg

[Ele'ill]

http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/underwatertigerp1.gif

[Le Libérer]

I don't think you properly understood the context of the situation and thus misinterpreted my post.

Maybe next time you wont use prejudice language to get misinterpreted.

[Skooma Addict]

Maybe next time I will give you an infraction.

[PhoenixAsh]

http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/underwatertigerp1.gif

Wauw....I am stoned now...this is amazing footage.

[Le Libérer]

Maybe next time I will give you an infraction.
Orly? I doubt you are ever allowed anywhere near the CP.

[#FF0000]

oh god dinosaur jr's doing shows this june oh gofdakjdgnfjkgnajksrdfgn

[PhoenixAsh]

oh god dinosaur jr's doing shows this june oh gofdakjdgnfjkgnajksrdfgn

Slight orgasm there? :-)

[#FF0000]

Slight orgasm there? :-)

slight.

henry rollins will be there too.

if this sells out before i get the money for the tickets then there's a certain addict out there who is going to have to watch his kneecaps when he gets out of rehab.

[RedSunRising]

henry rollins will be there too.
.

I adore early Black Flag....But Henry Rollins kinda turned into a moaning wanker a long time ago.

[#FF0000]

I adore early Black Flag....But Henry Rollins kinda turned into a moaning wanker a long time ago.

yeah maybe. he still owns and I miss his show, though.

[PhoenixAsh]

http://www.food-faq.net/food/Tacos-mexican-food-558176_600_500.jpg



This thread is now about Taco's

[#FF0000]

4/20 white wine and taco night eryday

[PhoenixAsh]

I love that tiger....I have been watching it again and again. Notice the verocious beauty of its expression? Power...determination...focus...all ready to strike.

I love cats...and imagine the size...seeing somthing like that comming right at you?? Wauw...

[Le Libérer]

This thread is now about Taco's
Back up, I still have Henry Rollins in my head. :wub:

My ex-husband the boxer (golden gloves) has a neck like Rolliins. When he would get mad at me it would swell from 18 inches to about 21 inches.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_IGBP8_3RNOY/Sc0yiBDMWtI/AAAAAAAAAD4/ShP7lj41-wg/s320/henry_rollins_big_neck.jpg

[Agent Ducky]

Tacos. For me, every wednesday is Taco Wednesday, where me and my friend Caleigh ditch part of class and use part of our break to go walk to a taco truck and get tacos. It's pretty glorious. =D

[PhoenixAsh]

Back up, I still have Henry Rollins in my head. :wub:

My ex-husband the boxer (golden gloves) has a neck like Rolliins. When he would get mad at me it would swell from 18 inches to about 21 inches.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_IGBP8_3RNOY/Sc0yiBDMWtI/AAAAAAAAAD4/ShP7lj41-wg/s320/henry_rollins_big_neck.jpg


hmmm...not my thing. Then again...the whole men thing is not my thing. Also sounds frightning...but I am sure he knew that would make a bigger canvas for nail drawings?? :)

[PhoenixAsh]

In Holland Taco is a name. It means child of the people.

[Skooma Addict]

Orly? I doubt you are ever allowed anywhere near the CP.

I'm like that one guy with the mask from watchmen.

Edit: and i think i should have some influence here. I am the main OI'r.

[Le Libérer]

I'm like that one guy with the mask from watchmen.

Edit: and i think i should have some influence here. I am the main OI'r.
OIer = no influence on BA.

[PhoenixAsh]

http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/epic-fail-photos-leaving-your-dog-alone-fail.jpg


hehehe....serves them right...

[Skooma Addict]

OIer = no influence on BA.

BA?

[Le Libérer]

BA?
See? You prove my point.

[Skooma Addict]

Lol. Ok seriously though what is the BA?

Board activity?

[RGacky3]

http://www.food-faq.net/food/Tacos-mexican-food-558176_600_500.jpg



This thread is now about EURO Taco's


Fixed.

[PhoenixAsh]

Board Administration?

[hatzel]

Tex-Mex food is shit. There's no Mexican food in Europe. Except for in Mexican families' kitchens. Think about it!

http://www.cv.riverview.wednet.edu/staff/powers/Graphics/thinkingcapwhoa_color.gif

[RGacky3]

Tex-Mex food is shit.

Common now, don't be silly, its not authentic Mexican ... but its DAMN good. I would actually sometimes prefer tex-mexs to authentic mexican food.

[hatzel]

BLASPHEMER!!! :laugh:

...okay, it's pretty good, but if we're talking about it as if it were Mexican food, then it just pales in comparison to the real deal :)

[Le Libérer]

Board Administration?

you got it.

[Omsk]

My head hurts and I think iv got a temperature,do you think some ice and water would help?

[GallowsBird]

My head hurts and I think iv got a temperature,do you think some ice and water would help?

Yes, ice and water....







And a TACO....

http://fatjewishguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/taco.jpg


Man, I'm hungry! :(

[Agent Ducky]

I've decided my printer is a reactionary. I wrote my first draft of my English essay which talks about social criticism of capitalism in Death of a Salesman and criticizes capitalism itself... It is now refusing to print. It's never refused to print like this before. Does anyone else have technology that is obviously reactionary?

[PhoenixAsh]

My head hurts and I think iv got a temperature,do you think some ice and water would help?

What caused the headache?


The bodys reaction to cold is to heat up again. So ice can relieve the pain...but of you keep it on too long it will heat up...causing more pain. 8 minute on...8 minutes off. Repeat for max of three times. THen stop for an hour or two.

With fever its better to drink a lot and dressup warm so you sweat....which cleans your body. do not forget to drink stuff with minerals in it once in a while....because you lose those a bit when you sweat.

If you are hung over...well...then its wise to drink a lot and take vitamin B...either pills or fruit (mango, manya fo example). You need at least 50 mg to work. Fat will cause alcohol to last longer in the system. Also vitamin C which will aid in the breakdown of alcohol....not too mcuh in one go otherwise you can get diarhea...which will dehydrate the body more.

In both cases...chicken soup. :-)

[PhoenixAsh]

I've decided my printer is a reactionary. I wrote my first draft of my English essay which talks about social criticism of capitalism in Death of a Salesman and criticizes capitalism itself... It is now refusing to print. It's never refused to print like this before. Does anyone else have technology that is obviously reactionary?

Well...its nothing so radical. But I am suspecting the microwave and the television are planning an assassination on me. I also suspect the LapTop of being involved in logistics and causing a diversion.

[Omsk]

I have a slight cold,but the weather might have a little to do with that.(cold)
Thanks comrades,i'm just making some clear chicken soup.;)

[PhoenixAsh]

Get well! Dress warm...sweat alot...see to it you are not in a draft.

[Ele'ill]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3504/3697328911_6309412c7c.jpg

[RGacky3]

Heres a proper taco ... man this is making me sad.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MltRuneg-Ds/TQqUf0lcNVI/AAAAAAAAAAg/1-BCJTimYIk/s1600/recetasDeCocinaTacosAlPastor.jpg

[danyboy27]

I have a slight cold,but the weather might have a little to do with that.(cold)
Thanks comrades,i'm just making some clear chicken soup.;)

eat a raw onion.

[PhoenixAsh]

I am going to a party tonight. :) Jazz music, one of the best Saxophone players in the Netherlands, drinks...loads of people....and

...invited by a girl three times now...which will offcourse not go anywhere because she is playing me. Lets play. :cool:

[Skooma Addict]

Heres a proper taco ... man this is making me sad.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MltRuneg-Ds/TQqUf0lcNVI/AAAAAAAAAAg/1-BCJTimYIk/s1600/recetasDeCocinaTacosAlPastor.jpg

That looks terrible.

[GallowsBird]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3504/3697328911_6309412c7c.jpg
:scared: :scared: :scared:

I am no longer hungry... :glare:

[Le Libérer]

I was gifted a watermelon today and have decided to take a friends advice on what to do with it.

http://austinmodhouse.com/blog1/2011/05/taking_the_melon_juice_out_to.html

http://austinmodhouse.com/images/may11/amh4819.jpg

http://austinmodhouse.com/images/may11/amh4823.jpg

[Agent Ducky]

I was gifted a watermelon today and have decided to take a friends advice on what to do with it.


That's cool :D. And also weird because my classmate just got half a watermelon for her birthday today. O_O

[PhoenixAsh]

Water melons are cool.


Also...drama filled night...:rolleyes:....actually more like: :-(

I hate being responsible. :-/ more stories later.

[Agent Ducky]

Don't you just love facebook arguments? While 2 of my friends were arguing on facebook about capitalism, the capitalist cited this as a source http://listverse.com/2010/12/24/top-10-greatest-benefits-of-capitalism/. Obviously sarcastic list is sarcastic.

[PhoenixAsh]

Thats a very sad untrue list...

[Agent Ducky]

Thats a very sad untrue list...

I think it's meant as a joke. Come on, who would seriously say

All of these contribute to an extremely fit society, and, in desperation, one can always resort to liposuction or some other sort of surgery. Which is why everyone is thin and healthy – on the front of magazines, at least.

Yeah, because our society totally doesn't have an obesity epidemic.

and also

all these unhappy countries need to do is start consuming more than they produce, like Europe, and the wealth and happiness will start flowing in.

Because mercantilism is a great idea and everyone should try it.

I think it was meant as a joke. Who in their right mind seriously suggests that exploited countries try mercantilism?

[Ele'ill]

I don't really have to deal with pure 'hard-liner' capitalist friends because I don't have any- I do, however, have to deal with much worse- a bunch of 'devil's advocate' jerkoffs who argue with everything and align themselves with something akin to a toddler's endless 'Why?' nonsense but with much more of a smug attitude, an anarcho-capitalist, 'progressive' 'anti-capitalist' democrats, weird peace enforcers who lack any type of real world experience but cling to their shamanic views because they're as 'extreme' as they can get without actually having to have a work ethic, and a bunch of 'progress is slow my way is right set up schools and change the system from within loonbags who mainly want to 'look good' and not actually change much because again that would take hard work.


I hate some of my friends. Most of them, unmentioned, are leftists. Thankfully.

[Ele'ill]

:scared: :scared: :scared:

I am no longer hungry... :glare:

They're frozen blueberries. If you don't crave frozen blueberries on a daily basis there's something wrong with you. Just look at those natural sugary ice crystals- it's amazing.

[Agent Ducky]

Most of my friends are liberals or people who call themselves socialist and follow social democracy/some type of reformist socialism. I've converted a few of them =D.

[Agent Ducky]

They're frozen blueberries. If you don't crave frozen blueberries on a daily basis there's something wrong with you. Just look at those natural sugary ice crystals- it's amazing.

Oh, that's what those are. I LOVE FROZEN BLUEBERRIES :D
Frozen fruit in general is glorious.

[Ele'ill]

So long as there isn't sugar added...

[PhoenixAsh]

sugar sucks. Blueberries are sweet enough of themselves. I love frozen ones....especially the day after a hangover...I am goign to buy them in the morning....afternoon...whenever I wake up.

[Tablo]

So long as there isn't sugar added...
Ewwwwwwww, who would add sugary to an already sugary fruit?

[Manic Impressive]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWdABb2zooA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWdABb2zooA)

[¿Que?]

Reactionary chatter. Well, there was a pretty radical left peronist movement, that none seems to want to acknowledge. That's fine. I don't know anything about them. The Montoneros and whatnot, but I know they were there. Peron, a fascist, or just some guy to rally the masses? I mean, sheltering Nazi's is pretty shitty, but, why then the left faction?

I guess noone wants to tell me about this. Research it yourself, you vago de mierda. Ok. Fine. One of these days, revleft. I'm telling you. One. of . these. day.

[Ele'ill]

Reactionary chatter. Well, there was a pretty radical left peronist movement, that none seems to want to acknowledge. That's fine. I don't know anything about them. The Montoneros and whatnot, but I know they were there. Peron, a fascist, or just some guy to rally the masses? I mean, sheltering Nazi's is pretty shitty, but, why then the left faction?

I guess noone wants to tell me about this. Research it yourself, you vago de mierda. Ok. Fine. One of these days, revleft. I'm telling you. One. of . these. day.

What?

[Agent Ducky]

What?

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say El Vagoneta was probably under the influence of something when that was posted.....

[Tablo]

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say El Vagoneta was probably under the influence of something when that was posted.....
Quite probable.

[hatzel]

I think you'll find that El Vagoneta's post is amongst the most substantial and politically insightful posts ever made in RC...

[GallowsBird]

I think you'll find that El Vagoneta's post is amongst the most substantial and politically insightful posts ever made in RC...

That is true, though that isn't saying much... this is RC! ;)

[PhoenixAsh]

So...this party
Went to that party in my sportsclub yesterday. Ambiance was fantastic. They really dressed up the place. And what was amazing was that they did it all themselves in two hours. Imagine an entire gym rebuild to house a party in that short amount of time.

Music was great. One of the best saxophone players in the Netherlands was there. Though it was definitaley not one of his top performances...I really enjoyed it and a walk down memory lane.

Now for the drama part....which was offcourse there...because...well...I was there. :glare::D

So the girl who invited me she and I are very good friends and have this flirt thing going on. Neither of us wants anything to happen...we just challenge each other and see if we can put one over the other...seeing who will chicken out the first. We are verfy good at it...especially if it involves long drawn out staring into each others eyes. Which is offcourse misinterpreted by the people who do not know us...including the date she showed up with....which wasn't a date...but he didn't seem to know. Which was offcourse fun to watch progress through the evening....except for the part he got a little hostile towards me. So I left and mingled with other friends. Eventually he ended up drunk and getting into a bit of an argument with her....so I intervened...he tried to land a punch... So the owner threw him out.

As I was standing at a table the FB-girl I was talking earlier made an appearance with one of her friends. Which was surprising since she normally does not go out much. Which became a whole subdrama in itself since she pretended to ignore me and stay as far away from me as possible....but the evil glances of her friend were fun... Eventually we ended up in the bathroom together...and we had a close up (non hostile) staring contest just half a feet apart....loads of tension there... Just when she grabbed my hand and started to draw me nearer...her friend came in and pretty much ruined the moment :mad:...oh well... She did try to keep in my general area after that. But her friend mercilessly cut off every possibility to get some contact.


There was some other drama involving an 18 year old girl who threw up on me...after she spend a lot of time trying to seduce me...and me taking care of her the rest of the evening because her friend and neighbor (much older btw) who brought her was taking pictures (she was the official photographer)....and having to bring her home and expain during that walk that things might not be such a good idea since there may be some problem with age difference....which ended up in a drunk, puking and crying girl. Who thought she had never met a guy like me and basically thought I was everything a girl could wish for in a man....which is a nice compliment, definately, but only underlines the life experience thing all the more. (also..setting bars for future boy-friend exepectations there :-) ) Avoided the kissing part she wanted to do...and returned to the party.

Where her photographer friend was waiting for me (I know her a long time as well) so we continued drinking with some other friends. And eventually she started kissing with this guy which was great for her.....since she had a long time crush on him :-) Unfortunately he was just being drunk and didn't want anything serious. So that didn't really pan out. So I ended up bringing her home because she basically drowned herself in alcohol....and what do you know...managed to throw up over me again. (What the hell is it with girls and throwing up over me????). She also tried to kiss me...which I avoided as well....since that would be just awkward in the friendship.

I again returned to the party where I smoked a sigarette with the owner of the club. The FB-girl and her friend came out with some guy. And stood close to us and basically we had a staring contest again....this time she was pissed (as I heard later because I spend a lot of time with the other girls) and suddenly kissed th guy next to her. Which would have been a good revenge if it weren't for the fact I know that guy and he is gay. So less impressive, more desperate posturing. It was embarrassing when he just looked disgusted at her...so she immediately left with her friend who I heard saying: "what the hell were you thinking?"

Shortly after that the party ended and I helped clean up a bit...drinking with the staff who I all know very well and smoking a joint...the Sax player played us a few songs...which was great.


Another very exiting night. I had fun.

[hatzel]

Writing essays is boring...

That is all :)

[PhoenixAsh]

I loved the research involved in writing papers and essays. I used to spend hours in archives digging up information and finding sources. I loved it. Especially when I did a paper about the CPN and got permission to access their original archives at the IISG.

Unfortunately I loved the research so much I always ended up with little time for writing he damned things.
:D

[Le Libérer]

So...this party
Went to that party in my sportsclub yesterday. Ambiance was fantastic. They really dressed up the place. And what was amazing was that they did it all themselves in two hours. Imagine an entire gym rebuild to house a party in that short amount of time.

Music was great. One of the best saxophone players in the Netherlands was there. Though it was definitaley not one of his top performances...I really enjoyed it and a walk down memory lane.

Now for the drama part....which was offcourse there...because...well...I was there. :glare::D

So the girl who invited me she and I are very good friends and have this flirt thing going on. Neither of us wants anything to happen...we just challenge each other and see if we can put one over the other...seeing who will chicken out the first. We are verfy good at it...especially if it involves long drawn out staring into each others eyes. Which is offcourse misinterpreted by the people who do not know us...including the date she showed up with....which wasn't a date...but he didn't seem to know. Which was offcourse fun to watch progress through the evening....except for the part he got a little hostile towards me. So I left and mingled with other friends. Eventually he ended up drunk and getting into a bit of an argument with her....so I intervened...he tried to land a punch... So the owner threw him out.

As I was standing at a table the FB-girl I was talking earlier made an appearance with one of her friends. Which was surprising since she normally does not go out much. Which became a whole subdrama in itself since she pretended to ignore me and stay as far away from me as possible....but the evil glances of her friend were fun... Eventually we ended up in the bathroom together...and we had a close up (non hostile) staring contest just half a feet apart....loads of tension there... Just when she grabbed my hand and started to draw me nearer...her friend came in and pretty much ruined the moment :mad:...oh well... She did try to keep in my general area after that. But her friend mercilessly cut off every possibility to get some contact.


There was some other drama involving an 18 year old girl who threw up on me...after she spend a lot of time trying to seduce me...and me taking care of her the rest of the evening because her friend and neighbor (much older btw) who brought her was taking pictures (she was the official photographer)....and having to bring her home and expain during that walk that things might not be such a good idea since there may be some problem with age difference....which ended up in a drunk, puking and crying girl. Who thought she had never met a guy like me and basically thought I was everything a girl could wish for in a man....which is a nice compliment, definately, but only underlines the life experience thing all the more. (also..setting bars for future boy-friend exepectations there :-) ) Avoided the kissing part she wanted to do...and returned to the party.

Where her photographer friend was waiting for me (I know her a long time as well) so we continued drinking with some other friends. And eventually she started kissing with this guy which was great for her.....since she had a long time crush on him :-) Unfortunately he was just being drunk and didn't want anything serious. So that didn't really pan out. So I ended up bringing her home because she basically drowned herself in alcohol....and what do you know...managed to throw up over me again. (What the hell is it with girls and throwing up over me????). She also tried to kiss me...which I avoided as well....since that would be just awkward in the friendship.

I again returned to the party where I smoked a sigarette with the owner of the club. The FB-girl and her friend came out with some guy. And stood close to us and basically we had a staring contest again....this time she was pissed (as I heard later because I spend a lot of time with the other girls) and suddenly kissed th guy next to her. Which would have been a good revenge if it weren't for the fact I know that guy and he is gay. So less impressive, more desperate posturing. It was embarrassing when he just looked disgusted at her...so she immediately left with her friend who I heard saying: "what the hell were you thinking?"

Shortly after that the party ended and I helped clean up a bit...drinking with the staff who I all know very well and smoking a joint...the Sax player played us a few songs...which was great.


Another very exiting night. I had fun.
Yet another bedtime story for cotr. TY HS2020

[¿Que?]

I think you'll find that El Vagoneta's post is amongst the most substantial and politically insightful posts ever made in RC...
Awwe, thanks, I'll remember this Rabbi K.But I believe I was under the influence. Also, I'm apprehensive to touch the subject for fear of being restricted and for my general lack of knowledge on the subject. I'll have to do some reading...one of these days.

[hatzel]

one of these days.

I will forever consider this your catchphrase :)

[eyedrop]

I'm gonna get pissed if that ash cloud develops and destroys my soon-to-be vacation.

[#FF0000]

every gathering my family has features the same goddamn cd of irish folk music every time.

[RGacky3]

Did'nt get raptured :( .... Damn it, anyone here get raptured? Rabbi K, your a fellow religious man, you still here?

[eyedrop]

http://drangstveit.net/nor/bilder/jettegrytene.jpg

http://drangstveit.net/nor/bilder/jette2.jpg

I wanna go there.

[hatzel]

Rabbi K, your a fellow religious man, you still here?

Unfortunately so. Seems JC doesn't care about us :lol:

[GallowsBird]

Did'nt get raptured :( .... Damn it, anyone here get raptured? Rabbi K, your a fellow religious man, you still here?

I've been raptured.... I'm writing this from heaven. It's canny good up here; there's loads of free drinks and the net never dies while I am writing a post. Sadly you have to sing hymns to this giant bearded guy on a throne (not sure who he is) for most of the day, which can get boring, but it is a small price to pay for free usuable broadband.
The funny thing is I'm not Christian so I suspect I am here due to a mix up with someone with a similar name (GibbetsBird ? :confused:) so don't tell anyone! :cool:

[PhoenixAsh]

Did'nt get raptured :( .... Damn it, anyone here get raptured? Rabbi K, your a fellow religious man, you still here?


Well...I have lost some time in my memory...but I guess that could easilly be the drugs, alcohol and medication.

[PhoenixAsh]

...also...stalked by an 18 year old.

[RGacky3]

It seams no one got raptured, well, none of us are good enough, we are all gonna die .... eventually, shame.

[PhoenixAsh]

yup...sucks for us...:) We just have to wait for the next one....2012...so not too long :-)

[Le Libérer]

yup...sucks for us...:) We just have to wait for the next one....2012...so not too long :-)
The Rapture 2.0 (or 6 or 7)

[hatzel]

I can declare a new rapture if you guys can't wait. I have that kind of power, you see...

I hereby present to you...THE VELOCIRAPTURE!!!

http://www.deviantart.com/download/144245403/Raptor_Jesus_by_Cartoonguy11.png

[PhoenixAsh]

I heard it was waaay better than 1.5. But you still can't use Java.

Which sucks. But the speed is definately higher and it also lasts longer. I also heard the visuals were better an it has lighting.

[GallowsBird]

I heard it was waaay better than 1.5. But you still can't use Java.

Which sucks. But the speed is definately higher and it also lasts longer. I also heard the visuals were better an it has lighting.

I hear that although it is better than 1.5 many programs that worked on 1.4 and 1.5 don't work on this new system. There is a run in older Rapture setting but apparently it is very hit or miss!

I'm thinking of just going back to 1.3 which I still reckon was the best so far!

[PhoenixAsh]

I hear that although it is better than 1.5 many programs that worked on 1.4 and 1.5 don't work on this new system. There is a run in older Rapture setting but apparently it is very hit or miss!

I'm thinking of just going back to 1.3 which I still reckon was the best so far!

Yes that is true, but I heard its open licensed so useful programs are bound to be replaced. And the new version has a gyroscope functionality. Not that that is useful...but its a must have feature....and I also heard it had fabulous connectivity with the Doomsday 1.7.

[hatzel]

...Vista sucks!

[GallowsBird]

...Vista sucks!

Really? I've never heard that before... :rolleyes:



True though! ;)

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Forget the Penguin, I vote for open source Linux Raptor, design your own heaven and/or afterlife.

[PhoenixAsh]

That would be so freaking cool. Does that mean we could then upload and install user created content?

[Viet Minh]

wtf are you all on about?! :confused: I have some catching up to do I see.. :lol:

[hatzel]

wtf are you all on about?!

That time when there was all earthquakes and Jesus and stuff. What, did you miss it? :(

[Viet Minh]

every gathering my family has features the same goddamn cd of irish folk music every time.

I'm getting quite into the folk music these days.. Check out Clannad, Wolfstone, the Waterboys (the album Fishermans Blues) and Lisa Gerrard

[Viet Minh]

That time when there was all earthquakes and Jesus and stuff. What, did you miss it? :(

I slept through it somehow :D

[PhoenixAsh]

right...so...stalker problem...

black: her
red: me
blue: our mutual friend

--> Everything translated from Dutch. So...sometimes had to reword a little to convey meaning.



10:00 Hi, thx for taking care of me. Nobody has ever done that.
xx
10:30 Hi, you are welcome.
Look for better friends lol
x
10:31 hihi, I had fun though ;-)
xx
10:40 Yes, me too. Thnx for not laughing @ my dance skills :-D
x
10:45 They are not so bad. Hey, I just discovered my chello teacher lives in your
street. Small world :-) I have lessons on tuesday evening.
xx
10:57 Thnx :-) you are nice. Have fun at chello lessons!
13:34 Hi <me>, I still have a hangover :-) thnx for bringing me home! Also
thnx for taking care of <black name>! I owe ya! love ya!
13:50 No problem! Any time. See you tomorrow! Have fun at the wedding!
love
13:56 O ja, <black name> won't stop sms-ing me about you. Looks like
you made quite the impression ;-)
14:44 Hi, I was thinking we could grab a beer on tuesday after I had my chello
lessons.
15:01 Hi, tuesday is not really a good time for me. But I just spoke with <name>
an me and her are going for drinks with some friends on thursday. You are
welcome to come if you like.
x
15:10 hmm. ok. See you then. What time?
kiss
15:20 Ok, nice. I am not sure yet. Around 19:30 or something. See you then.
x
16:01 I am thinking about signing up to the gym. It seemed like a good place to
sport and <blue name> is there and I do not see her nearly as often as I l
like.
:-)
kiss
16:20 I just signed up for the gym. Yeeh. Are you goign to the gym tonight?
Kiss
16:44 Hi, I have already been training.
x
16:50 No fun. :-( But I still like you ;-)
kiss
17:45 What are you doing tomorrow? want to come to the gym with me? <name>
can't go and I do not want to go alone.
kiss
17:50 Hi, I was planning to go in the afternoon
17:55 ok, so some in the evening and I'll pay you back by buying you a coffe
afterwards. Sound good?
kiss
18:15 Hi, I can't. Sorry.
18:45 FOR THE LOVE OF GOD TAKE HER OUT! I don't care how you do it.
She keeps sms-ing me giving me the 3rd degree about you. :-D lol
18:50 She keeps bugging me about waht you think of her. So...what do you think
of her?
19:10 I think she is very cute, very nice and very, very young....too young.
19:45 Well. I can come over later on monday....and have that coffee anyway
or...we could do something else ;-)
19:52 Are you always this persistent? Because you do realise how old I am, no?
20:33 So you do not like me? :-(
20:45 Yes, I think you are nice. However I also think you are too young and I am
too old.
20:47 But I like you and I want to know you better.
kiss
20:51 Look, its not a good idea. Ok?
20:55 Why not? :-(
21:03 Because I could be your father. So no.
21:07 But you are not my father. And we clicked and I like you. So I want to get
to know you better. How can you tell if something is not going to work if
you haven't even tried it?
21:15 Because I do not want to try it.
21:17 Don't you think I am cute?
21:22 Look...this has nothing to do with you being cute or not. This has
everything to do with you being 18.
21:30 - naked picture 1 -
21:31 - naked picture 2 -
21:32 - naked picture 3 -
21:30 This is what you are missing ;-)
21:46 O..kay..then... I'll just delete these and we will pretend we never did that.
K? Yes, you are hot. And there are plenty of hot, cute and nice guys out
there more your age. You are however too young for me. So this is not
going to happen. Stop it.
22:12 Hey, What the hell did you say to her? She is crying her eyes out. Stop
being an asshole!!!! >:-(
22:15 WHAT?? I didn't do anything. I just told her she was too young.
22:18 <black's name>, just go out with her, do her, be an asshole like you guys
are good at (j/k) and this will all go away. NOW DO IT or I won't get any
sleep and some of us need to work in the morning ;-P
22:24 - picture of a sad looking kitten -
22:24 Can you foregive me? Please don't be mad. I really like you. Can we still
be friends?
kiss
22:45 Yes, we can still be friends.
22:55 me happy. :-)
kiss
p.s. I will be 19 in a month (j/k) ;-P
23:33 <blue's name> has the pictures of the party...she wants to come by
monday evening. Can I come too?
23:37 <To blue name> were you planning to come over monday?
23:40 Yes. Is that ok?
23:44 No problem. I am home after 20:00
23:50 <To black name> Sure.
23:55 Jeeeh!!! C-u then
lots of kisses
00:19 - picture of apparently her teddybear with a g-string on -
00:19 sleep tight. Night kiss!

[hatzel]

...is it strange that I've had pretty much the exact same problem as hindsight? :lol:

[PhoenixAsh]

Was she blonde? Blue eyes? Red lipstick? About...1.67? Half long hair?
:)

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Did she speak Dutch?

[PhoenixAsh]

It could be a serial stalker :-D

[hatzel]

Hah! No no, it's not the same person...unless she died her hair, changed her eyes, magically learned Dutch...though of course it would be the strangest thing in the history of the world, if we'd both unwittingly been kinda harassed by the same girl. Wooooow!

I just kept telling mine about my love-life outside of her, told her all about my girlfriend in glowing terms, and eventually she got the hint. But now her MSN whadjamajig is something like 'why am I crying all the time?', but seriously, I just don't think it's my problem...I suggest you follow my lead!

[PhoenixAsh]

...well...I don't have msn. So I do not have to worry about that. :-)

I got this sms just a few minutes ago:

01:05
Don't be an idiot. Whats the worst that can happen? You like her, she likes you. Just do her! Think this will hurt her in any way?? She will drop you like its hot (w00t Snoop <3) when the next guy swings by. God! Why must it always be so freaking complex! She is practically throwing herself at you!

***
edit:

01:15
If you keep saying no she will just obsess about you for ever and keep doing this. Best thing2 do get it over with. It won't kill you to be happy for a week or two even if it isn't going anywhere. *sigh*

***

Nice. Her friend is pimping her on me. 0_o

Now I have to worry about a set-up...

[Ele'ill]

...well...I don't have msn. So I do not have to worry about that. :-)

I got this sms just a few minutes ago:

Don't be an idiot. Whats the worst that can happen? You like her, she likes you. Just do her! Think this will hurt her in any way?? She will drop you like its hot (w00t Snoop <3) when the next guy swings by. God! Why must it always be so freaking complex! She is practically throwing herself at you!

Nice. Her friend is pimping her on me. 0_o

Now I have to worry about a set-up...





Run.

[PhoenixAsh]

.....and hide...apparantly.



* o...yes...I just realised...for the US people...>16 is legal in Holland.

[LOLseph Stalin]

I was just pondering my ideological journey over the past few years, realizing how interesting it has been:

Apathetic ---> socialist ---> marxist ---> trot ---> marxist-leninist ---> conservative ---> moderate ---> liberal ---> mixed views, "Jannahism". Yes, Jannahism is named after me. :)

Also:

Apathetic ---> atheist ---> spiritual ---> islamic ---> jewish ---> agnostic ---> undecided. I find this one even more amusing. :)

So this is why I'm pretty much just "The Confused One".

[#FF0000]

Interesting is a word I'd use, I guess.

[RGacky3]

She will drop you like its hot (w00t Snoop <3)

A sign you should'nt listen to this guy.

If your friends with this girl or friends with her friends its a bad idea, plus if she falls in love with you, you got a problem. But hey I would'nt blame you for getting a hummer if it happened, but it still would'nt be a good idea.

[hatzel]

So today's the end of an era. I have my last exam in exactly 2 hours. Hopefully, before long, I'll be able to come before you as a man who has done all he can to earn himself a degree! Huzzah!

[¿Que?]

Hindsight, may I inquire as to how old you are?

[Viet Minh]

So today's the end of an era. I have my last exam in exactly 2 hours. Hopefully, before long, I'll be able to come before you as a man who has done all he can to earn himself a degree! Huzzah!

Good luck man! :)

[PhoenixAsh]

A sign you should'nt listen to this guy.

The most amazing thing is, its not a guy. Its the girl who used to babysit for the other girl....which makes it creepier, I guess.... They are friends now.




If your friends with this girl or friends with her friends its a bad idea, plus if she falls in love with you, you got a problem. But hey I would'nt blame you for getting a hummer if it happened, but it still would'nt be a good idea.Pretty much what I was thinking. I am not yet friends with the 18 year old girl. And right now...the only mutual friend we have is the one you quoted.

But I am almost twice her age...and that means I either have to be very drunk or have one of my "fuck it lets see what happens" moods before anything will happen. So no intention at all to do anything about this. And seeing that she is somewhat persistent...I am not planning to be alone with this girl any time soon.

[PhoenixAsh]

Hindsight, may I inquire as to how old you are?

Sure...why not.

I am 35
Blue girl is 28...we have been friends for 2 years now.
and the other girl is 18. I have met that one at the party...

[Le Libérer]

No means no, no matter if you are male or female. Her advances are almost stalkerish.

[hatzel]

Good luck man! :)

Danke schön! Guess who is now, believe it or not, done with uni...

Excuse my French, but fuck ouais :cool:

[RGacky3]

Pretty much what I was thinking. I am not yet friends with the 18 year old girl. And right now...the only mutual friend we have is the one you quoted.

But I am almost twice her age...and that means I either have to be very drunk or have one of my "fuck it lets see what happens" moods before anything will happen. So no intention at all to do anything about this. And seeing that she is somewhat persistent...I am not planning to be alone with this girl any time soon.

If you were a dick things would be much easier would'nt they :P.

[PhoenixAsh]

If you were a dick things would be much easier would'nt they :P.

yes, yes...I think they would be much less frustrating :p

[PhoenixAsh]

No means no, no matter if you are male or female. Her advances are almost stalkerish.

They do indeed. They are flattering though :blushing:...but a bit...creepy.

I like the girl. She was right that it clicked. Basically...right from the start we had a very good communication going on and understanding each other intuitively. At some point she asked if I knew what high sensitivity is...and well...since I am also high-sensitive that confirmed it. I rarely meet other high-sensitive people and the way we interact is, well, simply amazing. I have only met such a girl three or four times in my life. So...yes...pretty f-ed that she is only 18 :-(

So I can understand its confusing for her. Its for me as well but I have a little more experience to understand that this is not necessarilly what she makes of it.

The down side is...that high sensitivity also brings impulsivene behaviour and...well...either quick to fall in love or falling in love is like rain in the dessert....either way...

I know what she is doing. She is trying to get into my head. Because she knows as well as I do that no means no unless...minds are changed.

Which is fine. I have strategies for that that work.

Unless I am on my post chemo meds. Which basically have inhibition lowering side effects because they are proto-barbituates....especially if I drink. I know this, so I keep it in mind.

But I have to avoid being alone with her.

[RGacky3]

Who knows, maybe her interest would drop if you make love.

[hatzel]

Who knows, maybe her interest would drop if you make love.

Oh, what confidence you have in hindsight's technique...:laugh:

[RGacky3]

Oh maybe he's great at it, but sometimes girls are just interested in "getting" the guy, not "having" the guy, if you know what I mean. Did'nt mean it the way your thinking.

[PhoenixAsh]

Who knows, maybe her interest would drop if you make love.

I don't know. It could. But I do not think so...

She is high sensitive so that is unlikely. I can not, or better: do not want to, drop her because of the same reason...because that would either make me an obsession for her or it would cause her a lot of pain.

So...basically two options:
I have to change her feelings for me....or she is going to change my feelings for her.

(Basically you can compare this with two drug addicts one trying to get the other clean and the other trying to offer the other drugs. :-D )

[PhoenixAsh]

Danke schön! Guess who is now, believe it or not, done with uni...

Excuse my French, but fuck ouais :cool:

Congrats!!! On to the next step! :-) Any idea what you want to do?

[RGacky3]

Then juts be a dick about it, what do you care? Don't say she's too young because what she hears is "oh what a tragedy, he loves me but he thinks I'm too young."

[PhoenixAsh]

Then juts be a dick about it, what do you care? Don't say she's too young because what she hears is "oh what a tragedy, he loves me but he thinks I'm too young."

That...is...actually a surprisingly good interpretation. I had not thought about it that way. I have to keep that in mind.

But...I do care because I like her... :-)

[hatzel]

Congrats!!! On to the next step! :-) Any idea what you want to do?

Oh, I wish! Obscure language qualifications aren't as attractive as they used to be. Looking forward to the interview, though: 'well...I speak Finnish...' '...I'll just give you the number for the Job centre, you can go there and sign on' 'thanks'

Therefore I think my life will just consist of endlessly partying. Which will get old pretty fast...

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l1nwxwtAAU1qbhufno1_500.jpg

[RGacky3]

But...I do care because I like her... :-)

Why? Because you had a good conversation? Common now, stop caring.

[PhoenixAsh]

Why? Because you had a good conversation? Common now, stop caring.

Because I "know" her and identify with her...I need a very good reason not to care (sex isn't it ;))

[Skooma Addict]

Have any of you guys seen that documentary which follows aspiring lawyers who are studying for the Bar exam? Apart from making me hate lawyers more than I already do, it confirms my belief that I never ever ever want to go to law school. Right now is a very bad time to be a lawyer it seems.

[Agent Ducky]

Have any of you guys seen that documentary which follows aspiring lawyers who are studying for the Bar exam? Apart from making me hate lawyers more than I already do, it confirms my belief that I never ever ever want to go to law school. Right now is a very bad time to be a lawyer it seems.

Doesn't ring a bell, what's it called?

[RGacky3]

Because I "know" her and identify with her...I need a very good reason not to care (sex isn't it ;))

Well theres your problem right there, how silly is it to "care" for someone because you idenitfy with her, when she is in love with you and wants your dick, honestly how good is your care gonna be for her in that situation, in that situation both would be better off if you did'nt care at all.

[Skooma Addict]

Doesn't ring a bell, what's it called?

A Lawyer walks into a bar.

[Viet Minh]

Is my avatar animated? For some reason animations aren't working on me computer, ie or firefox. :crying:

Also well done Rabbi!! :thumbup: Or should I say onnittelu! :p

[Viet Minh]

Well theres your problem right there, how silly is it to "care" for someone because you idenitfy with her, when she is in love with you and wants your dick, honestly how good is your care gonna be for her in that situation, in that situation both would be better off if you did'nt care at all.

Purely in terms of physical or material gain, but people who don't care end up alone, at least in theory.

Hindsight this girl is young but she sounds emotionally mature. She could just have some adolescent need to 'sow wild oats' (or whatever is the female equivalent) so just take your time to get to know each other, be friends and see how it progresses.

[Revolution starts with U]

Crane style is vs weak hung gar, bro.

[Viet Minh]

I don't know anything about martial arts, I keep meaning to start Tai Chi Chuan or Pakua but never got round to it.. :(

[Revolution starts with U]

Tai Chi is good, you can probably find videos on Youtube. But I wouldn't expect to kick any ass with it without a proper teacher and pre-formed fight skills. It takes years to even begin to use Tai Chi as a Wushu; it's like karate only healthier.
If you're going to go that route I would supplement your Tai Chi with hard workouts like Iron Wire, Iron Palm, Deft Jumps, things like that.

If you're trying to learn how to fight; wing chun, jeet kune do, boxing, wrestling, muay thai, krav maga.. things like that; things that have no real rules other than beat your opponent into submission. But you probably need a lot of equipment and connections to have that pay out.

Bagua (Pakua) is for, and no offense by this to anyone, hefty people... or really strong people. If you're not strong, and can't take a punch I wouldn't even recommend it. It's too wide and slow.

[Ele'ill]

If you're trying to learn how to fight;
wing chun, jeet kune do,

No.


boxing, wrestling, muay thai

Yes. And BJJ.


things that have no real rules other than beat your opponent into submission.

lol what?

[PhoenixAsh]

Savate. Krav Maga. MMA. Those are some fightstyles which focus on eliminating the threat as soon as possible without regard of the opponent.

Kickboxing. Boxing. Also focussing to disable opponent but more as a sport.

Almost everything Asian takes a long time to learn to use effectively.
(Aikido focusses on eliminating the threat as soon as possible with as little damage as possible and necessary to the opponent.)

[The Man]

Hello RevLeft!

How was everyone's evening today?

[Agent Ducky]

Is my avatar animated? For some reason animations aren't working on me computer, ie or firefox. :crying:

Also well done Rabbi!! :thumbup: Or should I say onnittelu! :p

I don't detect any animation in your avatar. Sorry =/ .

[Agent Ducky]

Hello RevLeft!

How was everyone's evening today?

Good. Pretty chill, except with that underlying feeling of powerlessness, because I have over 9,000 projects due this week with no power to complete them at this time. But I try not to let that get to me.

[Revolution starts with U]

No.
Yes, wana fight about it?


Yes. And BJJ.
agreed.




lol what?
You don't want things with "katas." Those take too long to master... and they're counterproductive if you are not a master. A good fighting style is fluid and responsive. Perhaps "beat into submission" sounds a little harsh to you?

[#FF0000]

looks like i might have found a decent job.

[RGacky3]

Purely in terms of physical or material gain, but people who don't care end up alone, at least in theory.

Hindsight this girl is young but she sounds emotionally mature. She could just have some adolescent need to 'sow wild oats' (or whatever is the female equivalent) so just take your time to get to know each other, be friends and see how it progresses.

ANd people that care for everyone end up as alcoholics.

You care for people when you can and should, and don't when there is no point or no reason to.

How the hell is he gonna be friends with a girl who (it seams like) is basing her self esteem on him wanting to bone her?

Caring for someone in this situation will get you and her nowhere.

[Le Libérer]

Everytime I am asked to present, speak, or participate in a community organizing event I am excited to accept. Then I talk it up. Then before I know it, its the week of and I scramble to be ready. Then I dread it and I say I am not going to accept another one. Then I do it and its a success and I am glad I did it.

Its a very masochistic process.

[hatzel]

looks like i might have found a decent job.

Feel like sharing some more details about that one, maaaaan? :)

[PhoenixAsh]

Our friend made pictures at the party....and yesterday evening she and the girl were supposed to come by to show me the pictures at 20:00.

So I received a sms she was running a bit late. Around nine the girl showed up with a bottle of wine saying our friend would be there shortly. A little while later I got an sms she wasn't comming.

Obvious set-up was obvious.

[Le Libérer]

Our friend made pictures at the party....and yesterday evening she and the girl were supposed to come by to show me the pictures at 20:00.

So I received a sms she was running a bit late. Around nine the girl showed up with a bottle of wine saying our friend would be there shortly. A little while later I got an sms she wasn't comming.

Obvious set-up was obvious.
Saw that coming.

[PhoenixAsh]

Everytime I am asked to present, speak, or participate in a community organizing event I am excited to accept. Then I talk it up. Then before I know it, its the week of and I scramble to be ready. Then I dread it and I say I am not going to accept another one. Then I do it and its a success and I am glad I did it.

Its a very masochistic process.

Don't you just love it how that works? :-)

Why do you dread it?

[PhoenixAsh]

Saw that coming.

yup...I would have been kind of disappointed in her if it hadn't.

[Le Libérer]

Don't you just love it how that works? :-)

Why do you dread it?
procrastination, fear of public speaking.

[PhoenixAsh]

You care for people when you can and should, and don't when there is no point or no reason to.

I agree. But then again...what constitutes "point" and "reason" is subjective


How the hell is he gonna be friends with a girl who (it seams like) is basing her self esteem on him wanting to bone her?

Its not that she wants sex. Sex is a tool here. She wants something to complete her...she thinks she found that in me...or at least she is convinced herself that for the moment. And she uses the tools she knows now for seduction. Since she is 18 and young and lacks some experience...the easiest and most obvious way to seduce a guy she knows is with sexuality.



Caring for someone in this situation will get you and her nowhere.

Ah...but sometimes people should get what they need and not what they want.

[PhoenixAsh]

procrastination, fear of public speaking.

I know those...

so anxiety is caused because of lack of initial preparation which causes stress to make up for lost time and the fear of public speaking is caused by the fear of not having prepared well enough and stumbling in front of everybody.

But the same reasons why we dread it are also the same reasons we are good at it and keep on doing it...because everytime we imagine the worst, want to avoid it, and therefore we rarely live up to our own low expectations. And everytime our endocrine systems go in overdrive.

:-) Its kind of like the rollercoaster effect.

I suspects based on your posts and on my own experiences....that you are actually very good at it. :-)

[RGacky3]

I agree. But then again...what constitutes "point" and "reason" is subjective


Well then whats the point?


Its not that she wants sex. Sex is a tool here. She wants something to complete her...she thinks she found that in me...or at least she is convinced herself that for the moment. And she uses the tools she knows now for seduction. Since she is 18 and young and lacks some experience...the easiest and most obvious way to seduce a guy she knows is with sexuality.


And you know she's wrong, so how are you helping her by letting her continue this thing?


Ah...but sometimes people should get what they need and not what they want.

But what she does'nt need is care from a guy she's "in love" with that is'nt "in love" with her.

[PhoenixAsh]

Well then whats the point?

The point is that if I know my actions will cause hurt I have to adjust my actions. My actions do not depend on the wants of another person. My actions are based on an assessment of the effect they will have and if I find that effect acceptable or not.


And you know she's wrong, so how are you helping her by letting her continue this thing?

I don't think she is wrong. I think she is too young and inexperienced to understand the consequences for her and for me. As a tool sexuality is usually very effective in getting what you want...

But sex is not the issue here. Sex is the method of getting what she wants and what she wants is long term interaction on a level which will end badly for the both of us. what she is lookng for is emotional gratification and...well...care.


But what she does'nt need is care from a guy she's "in love" with that is'nt "in love" with her.

That is exactly the point...also...I never said the last bit of your sentence there.

Look...when I sleep with her when I know that sex is the method and not the goal. So I know this. And in sleeping with her I enforce her feeling of the possibility of reaching that goal with no intention of letting her. Thats...taking advantage of somebody. Others mighht,...but I am not one of them.

So what she needs to understand first is that the role she expects of me is an unrealistic one...and that the chances of this actually working are slim to none. And unless she truely understands that and realises that whatever we do...it will be for a short period of time, it will be extremely intense and it will end in a lot of pain...probably for theboth of us.

Now...I know this. I have been there before. So why would I willfully want to do that to somebody else?

[Le Libérer]

I know those...

so anxiety is caused because of lack of initial preparation which causes stress to make up for lost time and the fear of public speaking is caused by the fear of not having prepared well enough and stumbling in front of everybody.

But the same reasons why we dread it are also the same reasons we are good at it and keep on doing it...because everytime we imagine the worst, want to avoid it, and therefore we rarely live up to our own low expectations. And everytime our endocrine systems go in overdrive.

:-) Its kind of like the rollercoaster effect.

I suspects based on your posts and on my own experiences....that you are actually very good at it. :-)
I was more like Reagan until this last year. Fear would grip me and I would go blank, so I typed out my speeches and ended up reading them which wasnt good. I finally got to the point where I would just write down key phrases that would remind me of what I was going to say so I wouldnt be looking down. It was then I began to build confidence.

Now you cant shut me up. :)
And I LOVED doing the comedy/dinner theater monologue last month. Its going to be a part of a TV pilot. So yes, I think I'm progressing quite nicely.

It feels like my brain to pen works much better than brain to mouth. And anyone who has suffered dyslexia and or a speech impediment will relate to that.

[#FF0000]

Feel like sharing some more details about that one, maaaaan? :)

Manufacturing plant is hiring. Hella long hours with mandatory overtime, but it pays way more than any other job in my area. I might take a semester off to work there if I get this one.

[PhoenixAsh]

I was more like Reagan until this last year.

Reagan is used as textbook case to describe good and action inducing speeches for NP studies into public speaking. The great communicator.



Fear would grip me and I would go blank, so I typed out my speeches and ended up reading them which wasnt good.

That is because scripting lacks natural sounds and movements....in other words they lack spontaneity. Which can be helpful in certain occasions...but if you focus on getting the exact information across you are eliminating a lot of communication cues people use to understand and interpret what is being said.

I had this problem when I first started. I used to hide "behind" the paper.



I finally got to the point where I would just write down key phrases that would remind me of what I was going to say so I wouldnt be looking down. It was then I began to build confidence.

As long as you look down you can't play of the reactions of the public. You miss the reenforcement gestures and reactions. That was a really good idea you had there...you leanr to anticipate and make unconscious and conscious adjustments :)



Now you cant shut me up. :)

:)



And I LOVED doing the comedy/dinner theater monologue last month. Its going to be a part of a TV pilot. So yes, I think I'm progressing quite nicely.

Wauw...that is fantastisc. I can't do comedy...thoough I mix a lot of humour into whatever I am doing...either speeching or training/coaching. Comedy is hard.



It feels like my brain to pen works much better than brain to mouth. And anyone who has suffered dyslexia and or a speech impediment will relate to that.

I have the opposite. But everybody needs to find the thing that works well for them. I do feel more comfortable with some visual aids.

[Revolution starts with U]

If I could be frank Hindsight...
I think you intentionally attract this to you, and revel in it. I think you draw in the drama in order to feign the moral high ground.
In my opinion, your actions are causing hurt. And I think you know this. But you like the attention, and the fuzzy felling you get when you convince yourself you did nothing wrong.
I have interacted with enough people to know that when someone tells you they never did anything wrong.... they're feeding you a line of bullshit.

But I'm no psycho-analyst. It's just my opinion.

[PhoenixAsh]

If I could be frank Hindsight...
I think you intentionally attract this to you, and revel in it. I think you draw in the drama in order to feign the moral high ground.
In my opinion, your actions are causing hurt. And I think you know this. But you like the attention, and the fuzzy felling you get when you convince yourself you did nothing wrong.
I have interacted with enough people to know that when someone tells you they never did anything wrong.... they're feeding you a line of bullshit.
But I'm no psycho-analyst. It's just my opinion.

Well..I am certainly not claiming I am doing nothing wrong.

But I like to know how you figure all this.

[Revolution starts with U]

I came to this by just listening to your stories. You put yourself in situations with people you already know the outcome. I think your story about talking to the girl about being a diver already shows you are willing... to put it lightly... to bend the truth and convince yourself you acted in full honesty.
I think you know how these situations are going to wind up. And if you really wanted the moral high ground, you wouldn't let them. But what you really want, imho, is to tell other people that you took the moral high ground.
And yes, 99.9% of the time in your stories, you were doing nothing wrong. That is, to me, a tell-tale sign that I'm not getting the whole story.

[hatzel]

I find it quite strange that my first thought, after having finished all my exams, was 'oh, now I want to write a 5000 word essay!'...:confused:

[RGacky3]

But sex is not the issue here. Sex is the method of getting what she wants and what she wants is long term interaction on a level which will end badly for the both of us. what she is lookng for is emotional gratification and...well...care.


Well there we go, thats all you need to know, so stop caring and stop exasperating the situation.


And in sleeping with her I enforce her feeling of the possibility of reaching that goal with no intention of letting her. Thats...taking advantage of somebody. Others mighht,...but I am not one of them.


Well she'll learn a lesson out of it :P. But seriously, if you honestely wanted to put this girl straight you know what to do, you know how to get a girl to now like you, you might need to be a bit of a dick but thats what it takes. I'm not saying have sex with her, I'm saying "tell her to piss off, your not interested," so what you had a good conversation.


So what she needs to understand first is that the role she expects of me is an unrealistic one...and that the chances of this actually working are slim to none. And unless she truely understands that and realises that whatever we do...it will be for a short period of time, it will be extremely intense and it will end in a lot of pain...probably for theboth of us.


You trying to explain that to her is a disaster, your just making it worse, you'd make it less worse if you banged her and kicked her out right after (at least she'd get the message), trying to explain rationally something to someone who is responding emotionally is doomed to fail, you know that, what do you think she's gonna say "Well I never thought of it that way ..." of coarse not.


You put yourself in situations with people you already know the outcome.

I think there is some truth to this, when you tell a girl who likes you "ohhh, its just that your too young, it won't work out, I like you a lot and I think your attractive, but its just something that you cannot expect." You know thats not gonna work.

When a girl wants to come over to show you pictures .... common man, your not that naive, plus you know she's in love with you, so say your busy, why not? Tell her you have more important stuff to do.

[PhoenixAsh]

I came to this by just listening to your stories. You put yourself in situations with people you already know the outcome.

I am good at reading people. That hardly means that I am clairvoyant.


I think your story about talking to the girl about being a diver already shows you are willing... to put it lightly... to bend the truth and convince yourself you acted in full honesty. Well...seeing as I hold seven diving certificates and have over 200 dives to my name...I do not understand how that was dishonest in itself.

The only thing that could be construed as bending the truth is when I handed her the goggles and telling her I could drown in her. Which is an exaggeration and not a dishonesty...since there is no attempt to cover a truth nor any lack of sincerity or integrity....not any expectation of it being interpreted as anything else than a creative way to get attention and tell somebody you think they are really pretty. In other words...it wasn't deceptive.

Dishonest: a lack of probity, cheating,lying or being deliberately deceptive or a lack in integrity, knavishness, perfidiosity, corruption or treacherousness.

So...I do not get your "to put it lightly"...a sentence that in itself is indicative that you actually think I was untruthfull and deceptive...telling a lie.


I think you know how these situations are going to wind up. And if you really wanted the moral high ground, you wouldn't let them. But what you really want, imho, is to tell other people that you took the moral high ground.I do not believe in a universal standard of good. What I do or don't do is based on my own reflections and concepts which arise from the given situation and my own ideas about what I think is good.

So if by moral high ground you mean putting aside my own desires and self. Yes...then you are correct. I try to avoid or limit hurting others when there is a very good possibility that my actions may cause that hurt...that however does not mean I do not hurt people nor that I am always right nor that I alsways know if I am right or correct (as with FB girl). Now...that in itself can be seen as amoral.

In fact...I rarely know if what I am doing is considered right. Its my own moral compas...and that is why I tell the stories. To get reflection on them, another point of view or criticism or to reenforce my own ideas.

That does not mean I will do anything with that...



And yes, 99.9% of the time in your stories, you were doing nothing wrong. That is, to me, a tell-tale sign that I'm not getting the whole story.As I am telling you my experience and interpretation of events you obviously miss the interpretations of the other persons involved.

But the absence of doing something wrong for you is indicative there must be an omission. That I could interpret as expecting people to be deceptive and untruthful.

I however tell the stories either to illustrate a point (dive girl) or when I am not sure what I did or am doing is the right thing.

But I'll tell you what...next story I will tell is one I am being a total selfish bastard and manipulating everybody...and the consequences that had.

[PhoenixAsh]

I find it quite strange that my first thought, after having finished all my exams, was 'oh, now I want to write a 5000 word essay!'...:confused:

hehehe....breaking the habit! You are adicted! :D

[PhoenixAsh]

Well there we go, thats all you need to know, so stop caring and stop exasperating the situation. Well she'll learn a lesson out of it :P. But seriously, if you honestely wanted to put this girl straight you know what to do, you know how to get a girl to now like you, you might need to be a bit of a dick but thats what it takes. I'm not saying have sex with her, I'm saying "tell her to piss off, your not interested," so what you had a good conversation. Well she'll learn a lesson out of it :P. But seriously, if you honestely wanted to put this girl straight you know what to do, you know how to get a girl to now like you, you might need to be a bit of a dick but thats what it takes. I'm not saying have sex with her, I'm saying "tell her to piss off, your not interested," so what you had a good conversation.

Thats a very limited range of pallets. Either everything or nothing. Your advice here comes down to a complete negation of self based on the fact I do not want the relationship she does. So there is no other possibility.

In some cases that maybe. Unfortunately that changed when she signed up for the gym.



You trying to explain that to her is a disaster, your just making it worse, you'd make it less worse if you banged her and kicked her out right after (at least she'd get the message), trying to explain rationally something to someone who is responding emotionally is doomed to fail, you know that, what do you think she's gonna say "Well I never thought of it that way ..." of coarse not.

Who said anything about explaining rationaly? Do you get the idea I am a rational person? I am high impulse, highly emtional. Rationality is something I am not good at. So I am not going to use that to explain anything to her....she wouldn't process it anyways...because like me she is motivated by emotions....or the absence of them. Emotions can be self- manipulated. So change the emotion...change the goal.

Ever seen the dynamics between two high sensitive people? Its intuitively. She needs to feel and sense that I am not interested in her in that way....or she needs to convince me on an emotional level that it is a good idea.

Make or break are limiting.


I think there is some truth to this, when you tell a girl who likes you "ohhh, its just that your too young, it won't work out, I like you a lot and I think your attractive, but its just something that you cannot expect." You know thats not gonna work.

see above.


When a girl wants to come over to show you pictures .... common man, your not that naive, plus you know she's in love with you, so say your busy, why not? Tell her you have more important stuff to do.

Well...you are overlooking the fact that the mutual friend wanted to come over for the pictures....somebody who always comes around when she feels like it. Also something we discussed during the party. She was tagging along....and as she later confessed convinced the mutual friend to back off.

[RGacky3]

Thats a very limited range of pallets. Either everything or nothing. Your advice here comes down to a complete negation of self based on the fact I do not want the relationship she does. So there is no other possibility.


Exactly, so I'm saying nothing ....


She needs to feel and sense that I am not interested in her in that way....or she needs to convince me on an emotional level that it is a good idea.


She needs to feel and sense less attracted to you, Not that your not interested (unless it results in her being less attractive, which is not always the case.)


She was tagging along....and as she later confessed convinced the mutual friend to back off.

I see, but you get my point right ...

[Ele'ill]

Hi.

[hatzel]

Hi.

Yo yo yo

[PhoenixAsh]

Exactly, so I'm saying nothing ....

She needs to feel and sense less attracted to you, Not that your not interested (unless it results in her being less attractive, which is not always the case.)

I see, but you get my point right ...

Yes...I do. Offcourse she was tagging along to see me...and her friend cancelling was not really something that greatly surprised me....I just had a very nice chat at the gym with her about that :-)

And we ended up having a very fun evening....sharing lots of stories, memories and emotions. Which was great. Not that things are now fixed...but we are moving towards another place.

[GallowsBird]

Funny weather we are having at the moment isn't it? One moment it is bright, the sun is shinning, birds are singing in the clear azure sky while white, pink and blue blossoms glisten in the trees gently swaying in the cool, soft breeze; the next minute it is overcast, the wind howls from the west through the tall Cumbric peaks and a cloud of volcanic dust drifts down from northern lands like a great arm extended by a ghostly Ettin reaching for his goblet at the far end of his great table.

[hatzel]

Funny weather we are having at the moment isn't it? One moment it is bright, the sun is shinning, birds are singing in the clear azure sky while white, pink and blue blossoms glisten in the trees gently swaying in the cool, soft breeze; the next minute it is overcast, the wind howls from the west through the tall Cumbric peaks and a cloud of volcanic dust drifts down from northern lands like a great arm extended by a ghostly Ettin reaching for his goblet at the far end of his great table.

Yeah seriously none of this is happening in SAAAAAF LONDON!!! :)

[GallowsBird]

Yeah seriously none of this is happening in SAAAAAF LONDON!!! :)

Ah must just be "oop norrrth" then. ;)

[Viet Minh]

Ah must just be "oop norrrth" then. ;)

*Sound of strong wind and wolves howling :D

[Ele'ill]

The can opener just broke.



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[Agent Ducky]

Ohai there everyone.

[PhoenixAsh]

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[The Man]

Are they jousting? :D

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[Revolution starts with U]

I am good at reading people. That hardly means that I am clairvoyant.

Well...seeing as I hold seven diving certificates and have over 200 dives to my name...I do not understand how that was dishonest in itself.

I don't expect you to see what you're doing. If you did, you would have to think twice. And there's nothing that kills a hobby faster than thinking twice about it.

The only thing that could be construed as bending the truth is when I handed her the goggles and telling her I could drown in her. Which is an exaggeration and not a dishonesty...since there is no attempt to cover a truth nor any lack of sincerity or integrity....not any expectation of it being interpreted as anything else than a creative way to get attention and tell somebody you think they are really pretty. In other words...it wasn't deceptive.
Ya, so you rationalize it well. That makes it no less true. Your the worst kind of truth bender; you don't even know that you're doing it. At least a fraud knows he is a fraud.



Dishonest: a lack of probity, cheating,lying or being deliberately deceptive or a lack in integrity, knavishness, perfidiosity, corruption or treacherousness.

Yup.



I do not believe in a universal standard of good. What I do or don't do is based on my own reflections and concepts which arise from the given situation and my own ideas about what I think is good.

So if by moral high ground you mean putting aside my own desires and self. Yes...then you are correct. I try to avoid or limit hurting others when there is a very good possibility that my actions may cause that hurt...that however does not mean I do not hurt people nor that I am always right nor that I alsways know if I am right or correct (as with FB girl). Now...that in itself can be seen as amoral.

Again, I don't expect you to know you're doing it.
Let me ask you this; why do you think you get in so many dramatic situations?



As I am telling you my experience and interpretation of events you obviously miss the interpretations of the other persons involved.

That's just a cop out. So you really don't see what you did wrong in the situation? How can you expect honest help, if the people you tell the story to don't get all of it?


But the absence of doing something wrong for you is indicative there must be an omission. That I could interpret as expecting people to be deceptive and untruthful.

Must be is wrong. I would change that with, probably is.

[Skooma Addict]

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[Agent Ducky]

How fitting, Skooma. Lol.

[RGacky3]

And we ended up having a very fun evening....sharing lots of stories, memories and emotions. Which was great. Not that things are now fixed...but we are moving towards another place.

Your fooling yourself, but oh well, wait a couple months and tell me I'm wrong.

[hatzel]

I find it quite strange that my first thought, after having finished all my exams, was 'oh, now I want to write a 5000 word essay!'...:confused:

Just thought I'd let you all know that the first draft of the essay I was talking about in the above post has now been written. 'On the nature of the State'. I would share it with you guys, but it pretty much just cites every communist or anarchist writer who's ever written what the State is, before saying that they're wrong. And then I cite Voltairine de Cleyre, and say that she's right, because she said that the others were wrong. So I won't share it, because you'd be all 'what's this crazy liberal shit?!', but you can still congratulate me for finishing it :)

[PhoenixAsh]

I don't expect you to see what you're doing. If you did, you would have to think twice. And there's nothing that kills a hobby faster than thinking twice about it.

So explain to me how any of that was dishonest and intentional. Because you are falling short of that. If I have diving certificates and I am a licensed diver....how can saying that be untruthful?


Ya, so you rationalize it well. That makes it no less true. Your the worst kind of truth bender; you don't even know that you're doing it. At least a fraud knows he is a fraud.

The problem is that you have not established incincerity. Which is necessary to establish untruthfulnes.



If you are trying to prove your point that I intentionally put myself in those situations and I know the outcome you can not back pedlle by saying: "I do not expect you to know what you are doing" or " I do not expect you to see it." You have already stated I have intend and knowledge. This rules out not knowing. So you have to provide an argument that backs that assertment....you can't have it both ways.




Yup.

Nope. Since deception is a negative violation of social transactional rules. Show me how it was a negative violation of social transactional rules.



Again, I don't expect you to know you're doing it.
Let me ask you this; why do you think you get in so many dramatic situations?

Because I am easilly approachable; I don't judge people based on initial contact and take them as is...and I give people the benefit of the doubt. Also high tolerance of behavioral patern spread since I have trouble judging what is acceptable in others and what is not given that I do not perceive the world in the same biological way as most people.
Which means I do not react the same a most people do.


That's just a cop out. So you really don't see what you did wrong in the situation? How can you expect honest help, if the people you tell the story to don't get all of it?

Well thats a strange line of reasoning...I am not avoiding responsibility for an action here. I am stating a simple truth: nobody can read minds so any story you get is a subjective interpretation or recollection of the events. Which by its own definition is saying that you indeed only hear one side of the story.

So...unless you have a way to read minds I really do not see how anybody an give an objective and inclusive description of the thoughts, emotions and motives of all the actors involved.

And since I do not own such a device nor no how to do that...I can only give you the story in how I perceive it as accurately as possible. If there are omissions or you feel points are not clear or ambigious you can always ask follow up questions...



Must be is wrong. I would change that with, probably is.

Ok.

[PhoenixAsh]

Just thought I'd let you all know that the first draft of the essay I was talking about in the above post has now been written. 'On the nature of the State'. I would share it with you guys, but it pretty much just cites every communist or anarchist writer who's ever written what the State is, before saying that they're wrong. And then I cite Voltairine de Cleyre, and say that she's right, because she said that the others were wrong. So I won't share it, because you'd be all 'what's this crazy liberal shit?!', but you can still congratulate me for finishing it :)

I am interested.

By the way...congrats.

[PhoenixAsh]

Your fooling yourself, but oh well, wait a couple months and tell me I'm wrong.

We will see. Either that or I have a new girlfriend....or I tried your way...

[RGacky3]

We will see. Either that or I have a new girlfriend....or I tried your way...

Well there we go, if thats the attitude then she obviously IS'NT too old for you.

[PhoenixAsh]

Well there we go, if thats the attitude then she obviously IS'NT too old for you.

too old? No...she definately is not too old for me. :tt2:

post was meant as a bit of a pun, btw. playing on the three possibile outcomes:

- friendship
- relationship
- nothing

[RGacky3]

My bad, I wanted to say too young.

friendship, you win, relationship, she wins, and you were wrong about saying she was too young, nothing (best outcome), or a really hurt young lady and a really mesed up situation (most likely, if you continue that way).

[Revolution starts with U]

So explain to me how any of that was dishonest and intentional. Because you are falling short of that. If I have diving certificates and I am a licensed diver....how can saying that be untruthful?

What you did was as truthful as a Budweiser commercial. I've already explained why it was dishonest. Again, I fully expect you to rationalize it as full honesty. But it was acting. And acting, by definition, is dishonest.




The problem is that you have not established incincerity. Which is necessary to establish untruthfulnes.

No, that's my point. You are sincerely dishonest. Even you don't consciously know you're doing it. And that is the biggest problem.



If you are trying to prove your point that I intentionally put myself in those situations and I know the outcome you can not back pedlle by saying: "I do not expect you to know what you are doing" or " I do not expect you to see it." You have already stated I have intend and knowledge. This rules out not knowing. So you have to provide an argument that backs that assertment....you can't have it both ways.
I think you know what you're doing and you rationalize it away as if you don't. It's part of the game for you. If you knew what was happening, it would be far harder to derive pleasure from... and that's what it is all about; feeling pleasure by feigning the moral high ground with, at the least, shady characters.



Nope. Since deception is a negative violation of social transactional rules. Show me how it was a negative violation of social transactional rules.

So your want of rationaliaztion has moved into the right-libertarian, redifining words, category? This sounds like ancaps calling capitalism voluntary exchange. They're rationalizing capitalism, and you're rationalizing your love of drama.



Because I am easilly approachable; I don't judge people based on initial contact and take them as is...and I give people the benefit of the doubt. Also high tolerance of behavioral patern spread since I have trouble judging what is acceptable in others and what is not given that I do not perceive the world in the same biological way as most people.
Which means I do not react the same a most people do.

Wouldn't it just be easier to admit to yourself that you like drama, and would not have it any other way?




Well thats a strange line of reasoning...I am not avoiding responsibility for an action here. I am stating a simple truth: nobody can read minds so any story you get is a subjective interpretation or recollection of the events. Which by its own definition is saying that you indeed only hear one side of the story.

Ya, it's still a cop out. "It's subective so it's ok for me to only give my side of story, but to knowingly only give my side of the story and still claim full honesty. Oh ya, and I will rationalize it away to the point where I think I am giving the full account... even tho I never look in any of these stories. I am merely always a victim."
Or, IOW, "i can call dishonesty honest because it's all subjective and I don't understand human emotion." Gimme a break.

Face it bro. You love drama. There's nothing really wrong with that... I mean there is, but whatever. Where the problem is, is that you have convinced yourself you don't know what you're doing and that everyone is harming you, but you not harming anyone else. That's arguably worse than the person that knows they are causing harm.
You love drama. And if you didn't have any in your life, you would find it. It's that simple. "This above all, to thine own self be true."

[PhoenixAsh]

What you did was as truthful as a Budweiser commercial. I've already explained why it was dishonest. Again, I fully expect you to rationalize it as full honesty. But it was acting. And acting, by definition, is dishonest.


I don't agree with your description here. Acting is not necessarilly dishonest....nor do I think that little encounter was in any way conceivable as acting in the sense of plays and movies.

The part about being dishonest...it really requires incincerity. If there is no incincerity there is no dishonesty. Sincerity btw is defined as acting ones feelings, thoughts and desires.

So before you can say I was being dishonest you have to show that my feelings, thoughs and desires towards the goggle-girl were not sincere.


No, that's my point. You are sincerely dishonest. Even you don't consciously know you're doing it. And that is the biggest problem.

If I was sincere I can not be dishonest. The two are mutually exclusive.


I think you know what you're doing and you rationalize it away as if you don't. It's part of the game for you. If you knew what was happening, it would be far harder to derive pleasure from... and that's what it is all about; feeling pleasure by feigning the moral high ground with, at the least, shady characters.

This is a bit self contradictory, really...again.

So now...I know what I am doing but I act like I don't so I can derive pleasure from not knowing what is going to happen....eventhough, logically and per extend emotionally, I do know what is going to happen and therefore can not derive pleasure from it.

You just disproved your own point.

Now...what is in your opinion a moral highground? Because in my opinion you are projecting here by assuming that I think my actions equate on an objective scale to which good and evil can be measured...instead of being outcomes of what I think is right or wrong based on my inner moral compas. In other words....I did what I thought was right at the time...and I do not claim that what I did was a moral highground.

So I need your definition otherwise we are just arguing semantics.



So your want of rationaliaztion has moved into the right-libertarian, redifining words, category? This sounds like ancaps calling capitalism voluntary exchange. They're rationalizing capitalism, and you're rationalizing your love of drama.
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Now you are just being deliberately insulting.

And no...I am not redefinig words. Deception is a negative violation of social transactional rules...because, amongst others, it is a negative violation of expectations.

There is no redefining words here.


Wouldn't it just be easier to admit to yourself that you like drama, and would not have it any other way?

Thats a leading question. If I say I like some drama you are going to conclude a genralisation from it. If I say I don't like drama you are going to say I am in denial. And if I say I take what comes you are going to conclude that that is exactly your point.

See the catch 22 in answering your question?



Ya, it's still a cop out. "It's subective so it's ok for me to only give my side of story, but to knowingly only give my side of the story and still claim full honesty.

Thats a bit of a irrational argument in which you project universal truth on me specifically and reverse the argument.

Since I never claimed that I was fully portraying the story in any other way than that its the way the story goes to the best of my knowledge....since that is the only part of the story anybody can tell. You can not be dishonest about things you do not know...an which can be taken as a given that you do not know them

So now you are alledging I am being dishonest based on me not giving you information I can not possibly know and accuse me of deliberately conceal them while everybody knows that any recollection of events is subjective???

Wauw.


Oh ya, and I will rationalize it away to the point where I think I am giving the full account... even tho I never look in any of these stories. I am merely always a victim."Or, IOW, "i can call dishonesty honest because it's all subjective and I don't understand human emotion." Gimme a break.

See above.



Face it bro. You love drama. There's nothing really wrong with that... I mean there is, but whatever.

See...



Where the problem is, is that you have convinced yourself you don't know what you're doing and that everyone is harming you, but you not harming anyone else. That's arguably worse than the person that knows they are causing harm.

Have I ever claimed I am not harming anybody or do not cause harm?
Because I quite clearly remember saying that that is entirely possible. Again...disproving your argument.

[qute]You love drama. And if you didn't have any in your life, you would find it. It's that simple. "This above all, to thine own self be true."[/QUOTE]

[PhoenixAsh]

My bad, I wanted to say too young.

friendship, you win, relationship, she wins, and you were wrong about saying she was too young, nothing (best outcome), or a really hurt young lady and a really mesed up situation (most likely, if you continue that way).

we will see...

One side note... Friendship does not equate a very hurt young lady

[PhoenixAsh]

http://slog.thestranger.com/files/2006/12/baldy.jpg

[RGacky3]

One side note... Friendship does not equate a very hurt young lady

It does if she's in love with you and you are not.

[Ele'ill]

So far today, I've gotten out of bed after sleeping in and consumed unsweetened grapefruit juice- not from concentrate.


What's funny is that I have two things that have to get done- laundry and moving stuff to my new apartment. I already moved some stuff in to the new place and some of the stuff I can't move without a truck but I'd like to get the tables and computer desk moved. They don't have to get moved today. That means that I have laundry that should probably get done- it's been weeks. I'm now procrastinating about doing either which means I'll end up going laundry which is close by here and drinking a coffee but then moving the stuff later today anyways.

Here's an important question that's actually hanging the moving of things up quite a bit- three of the tables have glass tops- they're not that big or heavy but I don't want to move them- do you all think it's better to just make wooden tops at a later date or move the glass?

[PhoenixAsh]

I think you should move the tops and if they break you can alway make wooden tops. Unless you hate the ones you have now...in that case wooden tops are the way to go. If you dont want to move the tops then you can get somebody to move them for you.

[PhoenixAsh]

Apparantly the next rapture will be @ 21 oktober due to calculation errors. We apologize for the inconvenience.

[Le Libérer]

Reagan is used as textbook case to describe good and action inducing speeches for NP studies into public speaking. The great communicator.


What I meant about Reagan is this: in about 45 seconds.

sDK--X0qOmg

[Revolution starts with U]

I don't agree with your description here. Acting is not necessarilly dishonest....nor do I think that little encounter was in any way conceivable as acting in the sense of plays and movies.

Yes it is.
I'm sure you don't think so.


The part about being dishonest...it really requires incincerity. If there is no incincerity there is no dishonesty. Sincerity btw is defined as acting ones feelings, thoughts and desires.

No it doesn't.
No, it's not.



So before you can say I was being dishonest you have to show that my feelings, thoughs and desires towards the goggle-girl were not sincere.

The May 21 guy probably really sincerely believed his bullshit. To you he was totally honest. To me he wasn't.
It's like the sophists vs socrates; I just happen to think truth is higher than making one's self feel better.




If I was sincere I can not be dishonest. The two are mutually exclusive.

No, they're not.




This is a bit self contradictory, really...again.

It isn't. It's the difference between your conscious self and your subconscious.


So now...I know what I am doing but I act like I don't so I can derive pleasure from not knowing what is going to happen....eventhough, logically and per extend emotionally, I do know what is going to happen and therefore can not derive pleasure from it.

No; you know what you are doing subconsciously. But your conscious self rationalizes it away. If your conscious self knew what was happening, it would spoil the fun.



Now...what is in your opinion a moral highground? Because in my opinion you are projecting here by assuming that I think my actions equate on an objective scale to which good and evil can be measured...instead of being outcomes of what I think is right or wrong based on my inner moral compas. In other words....I did what I thought was right at the time...and I do not claim that what I did was a moral highground.

My definition of it is irrelevant. I am saying you feign your own moral high ground, when in fact you subconsciously knew what was going to happen the whole time. Why agree to a date with a girl you KNEW was going to stand you up? And then flip out on her, for something you KNEW was going to happen. You love the drama, bro :lol:


And no...I am not redefinig words. Deception is a negative violation of social transactional rules...because, amongst others, it is a negative violation of expectations.
A friend is in trouble, but he can handle it. An authority figure asks me if he's in trouble. I know the authority figure will come down far too harshly on the friend, so I tell him that I have no idea.
That's deception, and there was nothing negative about it. That was a positive acting out of "social transacton rules" (w/e the fuck that means :rolleyes:)




Thats a leading question. If I say I like some drama you are going to conclude a genralisation from it. If I say I don't like drama you are going to say I am in denial. And if I say I take what comes you are going to conclude that that is exactly your point.

See the catch 22 in answering your question?

:thumbup:
It's no different than addiction denial for drugs.





Thats a bit of a irrational argument in which you project universal truth on me specifically and reverse the argument.

Since I never claimed that I was fully portraying the story in any other way than that its the way the story goes to the best of my knowledge....since that is the only part of the story anybody can tell. You can not be dishonest about things you do not know...an which can be taken as a given that you do not know them

Oh yes you can.
"Rgacky likes football, american football." I don't know if he does or not. But it must be true because I can't be dishonest about things I don't know.


So now you are alledging I am being dishonest based on me not giving you information I can not possibly know and accuse me of deliberately conceal them while everybody knows that any recollection of events is subjective???

I am saying that you could give both sides of the story, that it is information you could and do know (subconsciously) but you have rationalized the true picture away. You think your side of the story, and the story, are the same thing.



Have I ever claimed I am not harming anybody or do not cause harm?
Because I quite clearly remember saying that that is entirely possible. Again...disproving your argument.



Again, it's possible. But it doesn't happen. Your always the victim.
Nevermind that you are walking around the ghetto naked except for 5 expensive chains on your neck, at 3am. It's funny you think it's pure coincedence that you always find yourself in drama filled situations. :rolleyes:

It would be like me saying "my problem is I tell it like it is." That's not me admitting a fault. That's me saying the world can't handle the truth. When, in reality, my real problem, is that I just don't care about people's feelings.

[PhoenixAsh]

What I meant about Reagan is this: in about 45 seconds.

sDK--X0qOmg

cool. I didn't know that clip. I have to find the original debate somewhere and show that to my former instructor. Thanx!!!

[PhoenixAsh]

Yes it is.
I'm sure you don't think so.

No it doesn't.
No, it's not.


You are wrong. Simple as that.





The May 21 guy probably really sincerely believed his bullshit. To you he was totally honest. To me he wasn't. It's like the sophists vs socrates; I just happen to think truth is higher than making one's self feel better.

In that case you believe in an objective truth which exists outside human behaviour or the realm of human perception. In effect you believe in something that does not exist...ie....God.

Also the case you are dragging into it has too many variables and is completely dissimilar. So it can not be equated as is. That aside...

Truth in the way you describe it can not be know. The simply answer to why that is is because we do not sense the world. We perceive the world. This means we add interpretation to what we sense during the time we proces it. That simple fact means two people can observe exactly the same thing and have different stories about the same event without either of them being dishonest.




No, they're not.

Dishonesty is withholding truth. The withholding part indicates already that truth is known. The entire entimology of the word sincere is based on truth and honesty.

But since you view truth as an objective entity....well...that more or less means you are talking believe struture and I am talking practicality so basically we never going to reach an agreement there.



It isn't. It's the difference between your conscious self and your subconscious. No; you know what you are doing subconsciously. But your conscious self rationalizes it away. If your conscious self knew what was happening, it would spoil the fun.

Then I can not know it. If I am not consciously aware of it...the self does not perceive it...hence I can not know it. ts the same criticism of Freudian and Jungian psychology. Neuropsychology has never been able to establish a seperate operating consciousness. They have however been able to prove a pre consciousness which operates miliseconds before its consciously perceived.

Incidentally Popper opposed the claim of an unconscious mind exactly for the very same reason: it can not be falsified.

These days psychologists have different terms for what you indicate: implicit or automatic for example.



My definition of it is irrelevant. I am saying you feign your own moral high ground, when in fact you subconsciously knew what was going to happen the whole time.

Again...the subconscious thingy. If it is subconscious...then by the very definition of the word I did not know it. Knowledge recuires congnition and that recquires consciousness.

So whatever the outcome I can not feign it.



Why agree to a date with a girl you KNEW was going to stand you up? And then flip out on her, for something you KNEW was going to
happen. You love the drama, bro :lol:

Ah...now you are indicating FB girl.

I did not know she would. She said she wouldn't. There was a likelyhood that she would based on past behaviour. But since she had stated that she wouldn't do it...

Now...you are doing something here...you are equating likelyhood with certainty.

Leaving out essential steps and alsop making a false induction of WHY I flipped out, as you say.

I was disappointed and sjagarined by her. I flipped out because she was intentionally trying to get me to wait for her and not showing up.

So no..I do not love the drama and your induction is not only false its also one you can not make i the way you are doing here.


A friend is in trouble, but he can handle it. An authority figure asks me if he's in trouble. I know the authority figure will come down far too harshly on the friend, so I tell him that I have no idea. That's deception, and there was nothing negative about it. That was a positive acting out of "social transacton rules" (w/e the fuck that means :rolleyes:)

Yes because social transactional rules apply to you and your communication partner...its the rules that apply for social interaction. NOT to you and the absent query of the question. So yes...you are intentionally hiding the truth, being insincere and violating the transactional rules....that was a negative violation of the social transactional rules between you and the pig.

The social outcome towards your friend is irrelevant....

Now...if that is a lie which is good or evil depends on your further point of view. But in the social tranactional situation...ie. the communication with the pig you were being dishonest, negatively violating the social transactional rules, and deceptive and insincere.

See how that works.


:thumbup:
It's no different than addiction denial for drugs.

implying that addiction denial is based on the other being completely unable to provide any argumentative proof for their position without constantly shifting.



Oh yes you can.
"Rgacky likes football, american football." I don't know if he does or not. But it must be true because I can't be dishonest about things I don't know.

Ah...but you are claiming to know. Which is untruthful because you do not know. Hence...dishonest.

See...gthere you are failing again.



I am saying that you could give both sides of the story, that it is information you could and do know (subconsciously) but you have rationalized the true picture away. You think your side of the story, and the story, are the same thing.

Ah...so I can know how they feel and interpret events and read their minds? Well...now you are entering the realm of the ridiculous.

At one moment using psychology to try and provide an argumentative basis and in the very same sentence denying psychology by arguing the existence of an objective mind. Bwah.


Again, it's possible. But it doesn't happen. Your always the victim.
Wauw that is classic. Two self negating absolutes.

If it is possible...then it does happen. The fact that you having experienced it happening is irrelevant.




Nevermind that you are walking around the ghetto naked except for 5 expensive chains on your neck, at 3am. It's funny you think it's pure coincedence that you always find yourself in drama filled situations. :rolleyes:

silly you...this makes no sense towards the part of my post you quoted.

In effect I have no idea what harm that sms caused since we are not talking. It is however clear that there is still something there. Who the hell knows? Maybe she is heartbroken and cries herself to sleep everynight needing oxazepam and other medication to fight off a depression which was inadvertendly caused by me being mean.

I however can not tell you that since I do not know.

Your reasoning is twisted and illogical.


It would be like me saying "my problem is I tell it like it is." That's not me admitting a fault. That's me saying the world can't handle the truth. When, in reality, my real problem, is that I just don't care about people's feelings.

except...I have never claimed that...now did I.

Just as I never claimed in taking the moral high ground. Or claimed I never caused harm. Or claimed to tell any other side of the story than my own.

All these things exist merely in your mind....and you are accusing me based on a false premisses that I did.

[#FF0000]

Fuck powerwashing. Goddamn.

And fuck someone telling me I'm useless and don't contribute anything to the house. If it weren't for my working slave hours in retail and fast food, we wouldn't have a fucking house.

[PhoenixAsh]

Fuck powerwashing. Goddamn.

And fuck someone telling me I'm useless and don't contribute anything to the house. If it weren't for my working slave hours in retail and fast food, we wouldn't have a fucking house.

I agree with both.

Care to expand a bit on this?

[Revolution starts with U]

You are wrong. Simple as that.

No






In that case you believe in an objective truth which exists outside human behaviour or the realm of human perception. In effect you believe in something that does not exist...ie....God.

I believe in gravity... does that mean I belive in God too?


Also the case you are dragging into it has too many variables and is completely dissimilar. So it can not be equated as is. That aside...

Truth in the way you describe it can not be know. The simply answer to why that is is because we do not sense the world. We perceive the world. This means we add interpretation to what we sense during the time we proces it. That simple fact means two people can observe exactly the same thing and have different stories about the same event without either of them being dishonest.

No. One of them, or both, is being dishonest. I care not how much the dishonest person believes it. He is saying things that didn't happen, or leaving out things that did; dishonest.




Dishonesty is withholding truth.
No, it's not. That's part of dishonesty, but not all of it.



But since you view truth as an objective entity....well...that more or less means you are talking believe struture and I am talking practicality so basically we never going to reach an agreement there.

My point all along has been that you are willing to stretch the truth, for your own practical reasons, and yet still convince yourself you are being honest.



Then I can not know it. If I am not consciously aware of it...the self does not perceive it...hence I can not know it. ts the same criticism of Freudian and Jungian psychology. Neuropsychology has never been able to establish a seperate operating consciousness. They have however been able to prove a pre consciousness which operates miliseconds before its consciously perceived.

Incidentally Popper opposed the claim of an unconscious mind exactly for the very same reason: it can not be falsified.

These days psychologists have different terms for what you indicate: implicit or automatic for example.

I have dealt with enough people to know that people are far better at fooling themselves than anyone else. I call that the subconscious; that's all I know to call it.




Again...the subconscious thingy. If it is subconscious...then by the very definition of the word I did not know it. Knowledge recuires congnition and that recquires consciousness.

So whatever the outcome I can not feign it.

No. What I am saying is you do know it. But you convince yourself that you don't. People do this all the time, that cannot be denied.





Ah...now you are indicating FB girl.

I did not know she would. She said she wouldn't. There was a likelyhood that she would based on past behaviour. But since she had stated that she wouldn't do it...

Now...you are doing something here...you are equating likelyhood with certainty.

Leaving out essential steps and alsop making a false induction of WHY I flipped out, as you say.

I was disappointed and sjagarined by her. I flipped out because she was intentionally trying to get me to wait for her and not showing up.

Then why give her the time of day? You KNEW, at the very least suspected, what would happen. Why even give that person the time of day?
Because you wanted her to do it. You wanted the drama.


So no..I do not love the drama and your induction is not only false its also one you can not make i the way you are doing here.

I don't expect you to admit to it... again, Im not even sure you consciously know what you're doing. But I do know that somewhere in that brian, you DO know. But you have convinced yourself that you don't.



implying that addiction denial is based on the other being completely unable to provide any argumentative proof for their position without constantly shifting.

Well.. that's how it works, now isn't it? Perhaps you haven't dealt with enough addicts. But denial is real.





Ah...but you are claiming to know. Which is untruthful because you do not know. Hence...dishonest.

You said "you can't be dishonest about things you don't know" not "things you don't know but claim to."


See...gthere you are failing again.

Im sure you think so. And this argument will go on endlessly. There is no one easier to fool than yourself.




Ah...so I can know how they feel and interpret events and read their minds? Well...now you are entering the realm of the ridiculous.

At one moment using psychology to try and provide an argumentative basis and in the very same sentence denying psychology by arguing the existence of an objective mind. Bwah.

Nice straw man. But i never claimed you were reading their minds. I am telling yourself that before the story comes out, you have intentionally, but not consciously, "forgotten" the parts of the story that show your negative involvement. You, somewhere in there, know the real story, or did at one time. But it is far more convenient for your true desire, which is not truth but telling other people how much of a victim you are, for you to plausibly deny the real story. And the only way to do that, is to convince yourself that YOUR side of the story is THE story.
It's a clever game we humans play... it's like the saying about the devil; the greatest part of the trick is that it has you convinced there was no trick.




Wauw that is classic. Two self negating absolutes.

If it is possible...then it does happen. The fact that you having experienced it happening is irrelevant.

See. This ^ is it happening right now! That doesn't even make sense; if it's possible it does happen. It's possible for me to slam dunk. It's never happened. But if I trained hard enough, it could.




In effect I have no idea what harm that sms caused since we are not talking. It is however clear that there is still something there. Who the hell knows? Maybe she is heartbroken and cries herself to sleep everynight needing oxazepam and other medication to fight off a depression which was inadvertendly caused by me being mean.
I however can not tell you that since I do not know.

:rolleyes: here it is again
I'm done with this conversation. I've given you what I see. If it keeps up much longer, it will just seem like I'm trollling you.
I just wish people, and don't fell bad we all do it, would realize that they're fooling themselves. It's like Doublethink, but without the political undertones.



Your reasoning is twisted and illogical.

Perhaps, but I think yours is.

[PhoenixAsh]

No

Then prove me wrong.



I believe in gravity... does that mean I belive in God too? Gravity is objectively and repetitatively falsifiable.

Truth like you use it however is not. Just like God, its existence as a seperate and higher entity (such as you claim it is) can not be established by humans. Therefore using it as such is completely useless.




No. One of them, or both, is being dishonest. I care not how much the dishonest person believes it. He is saying things that didn't happen, or leaving out things that did; dishonest. No they are not. Dishonest requires INTENTIONAL leaving out of things. Get it? Its the acting contrary to known truth which qualifies something as dishonest becaus the very words meaning is acting contrary to truth with intent of doing so...in other words: lie, cheat, defraud

All of these require consciousness of the process.

Its very, very simple.

If the truth is not known but the position is not in accordance with reality than thats is called something else. Perhaps a mistake...or oversight...or stupidity...


No, it's not. That's part of dishonesty, but not all of it. Yes...its the entire premisses of the word. Omg...I can't believe you are actually arguing this.


My point all along has been that you are willing to stretch the truth, for your own practical reasons, and yet still convince yourself you are being honest. Your actual words were: bending the truth.



I have dealt with enough people to know that people are far better at fooling themselves than anyone else. I call that the subconscious; that's all I know to call it. Ok...then I can tell you that by all psychological standards your application of the word subconsciousness is wrong.



No. What I am saying is you do know it. But you convince yourself that you don't. People do this all the time, that cannot be denied.Which requires consciousness. If I need to convince myself that something is something entirely different I actually know what is happening. Hence it can not be subconscious. And then we can infer fro what I earlier disproved that when it requires me to convince myself soemthing is something else I know its not and therefore can not derive pleasure from it.


Then why give her the time of day? You KNEW, at the very least suspected, what would happen. Why even give that person the time of day?
Because you wanted her to do it. You wanted the drama. No...I wanted her and I believed her.



I don't expect you to admit to it... again, Im not even sure you consciously know what you're doing. But I do know that somewhere in that brian, you DO know. But you have convinced yourself that you don't.ok.....then lets call this your reality.



Well.. that's how it works, now isn't it? Perhaps you haven't dealt with enough addicts. But denial is real. Yes...but denial itself is not indicative of the adverse being true.

Here is a little situation for you;

"Hey man, you smoke pot for two years every day! You are addicted"

"No I am not"

"You are in denial"

"No I am not"

"Yes you are and you need to admit it"

"But I am not an addict"

"See...now thats just the denial talking"


*quits the next day without any ill effects whatsoever*







You said "you can't be dishonest about things you don't know" not "things you don't know but claim to." Very well...I'll use kindergarten language and disclaimers next time.


Im sure you think so. And this argument will go on endlessly. There is no one easier to fool than yourself. bla.



Nice straw man. But i never claimed you were reading their minds. I am telling yourself that before the story comes out, you have intentionally, but not consciously, "forgotten" the parts of the story that show your negative involvement. You, somewhere in there, know the real story, or did at one time. But it is far more convenient for your true desire, which is not truth but telling other people how much of a victim you are, for you to plausibly deny the real story. And the only way to do that, is to convince yourself that YOUR side of the story is THE story.But since you are the only one doing that...your whole little story here is simply bull. Because...you have yet to show me where I claimed that. And since you can not...you are actually making an assumption which has no basis in facts.



It's a clever game we humans play... it's like the devil; the greatest part of the trick is that it has you convinced there was no trick. It actually goes: the greatest trick was that he convinced us he did not exist. Or..in fact the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convince the world he did not exist.

And since we are saying that..that position is no longer maintainable.



See. This ^ is it happening right now! That doesn't even make sense; if it's possible it does happen. It's possible for me to slam dunk. It's never happened. But if I trained hard enough, it could. A...but here you are using happened...not happens. see the difference?


:rolleyes: here it is again
I'm done with this conversation. I've given you what I see. If it keeps up much longer, it will just seem like I'm trollling you.
I just wish people, and don't fell bad we all do it, would realize that they're fooling themselves. It's like Doublethink, but without the political undertones.

Yes...I can explain to you exactly where you went wrong. If you want to debate somebodies character and want a debate which is open...you need to refrain from using words like: "dishonest" and refrain from sentences like: "worst kind of truth bender"; "cop out".

Because using socially charged words like that create a hostile environment in which you create opposition instead of freely exchanging ideas, emotions and thoughts.


Perhaps, but I think yours is.So now I am being curious as to which one is the truth...

[#FF0000]

I agree with both.

Care to expand a bit on this?

Have to powerwash the deck. H8 it.

My dad complains that I don't do anything around the house and don't contribute anything. I take care of the recycling and clean p. much on the daily, on top of the yard work I do.

I sleep late tho, which bothers him.

But it's no big deal. I've come to the conclusion that literally all dads are crazy and will get on your case for nothing.

[Le Libérer]

Yes it is.
I'm sure you don't think so.

No it doesn't.
No, it's not.


The May 21 guy probably really sincerely believed his bullshit. To you he was totally honest. To me he wasn't.
It's like the sophists vs socrates; I just happen to think truth is higher than making one's self feel better.



No, they're not.



It isn't. It's the difference between your conscious self and your subconscious.

No; you know what you are doing subconsciously. But your conscious self rationalizes it away. If your conscious self knew what was happening, it would spoil the fun.


My definition of it is irrelevant. I am saying you feign your own moral high ground, when in fact you subconsciously knew what was going to happen the whole time. Why agree to a date with a girl you KNEW was going to stand you up? And then flip out on her, for something you KNEW was going to happen. You love the drama, bro :lol:


A friend is in trouble, but he can handle it. An authority figure asks me if he's in trouble. I know the authority figure will come down far too harshly on the friend, so I tell him that I have no idea.
That's deception, and there was nothing negative about it. That was a positive acting out of "social transacton rules" (w/e the fuck that means :rolleyes:)



:thumbup:
It's no different than addiction denial for drugs.




Oh yes you can.
"Rgacky likes football, american football." I don't know if he does or not. But it must be true because I can't be dishonest about things I don't know.

I am saying that you could give both sides of the story, that it is information you could and do know (subconsciously) but you have rationalized the true picture away. You think your side of the story, and the story, are the same thing.



Again, it's possible. But it doesn't happen. Your always the victim.
Nevermind that you are walking around the ghetto naked except for 5 expensive chains on your neck, at 3am. It's funny you think it's pure coincedence that you always find yourself in drama filled situations. :rolleyes:

It would be like me saying "my problem is I tell it like it is." That's not me admitting a fault. That's me saying the world can't handle the truth. When, in reality, my real problem, is that I just don't care about people's feelings.
Damn Bro you sure know how to clear out a party lol

Im on my way to Dallas got VIP tickets to Dirtfoot and Primus. I may jump a tour bus for a couple of dates come back before I have to be at work Tuesday like the good old days.

Now I will wait for RSTU to anaylize how I live in the past or something :p


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[PhoenixAsh]

Have to powerwash the deck. H8 it.

I can imagine. Chores suck.

Personally I think I would like powerwashing...never done it though. I always had to use a broom and a bucket of water to clean the terras in the garden. Hated that too...




My dad complains that I don't do anything around the house and don't contribute anything. I take care of the recycling and clean p. much on the daily, on top of the yard work I do.

I sleep late tho, which bothers him.

So what does he think constitutes contributing? and you sleep late because of work?



But it's no big deal. I've come to the conclusion that literally all dads are crazy and will get on your case for nothing.

Hehehe! Yes...that pretty much sums it up.

[#FF0000]

I can imagine. Chores suck.

They don't bother me. But for some reason the guy can't just say "Hey this needs to get done". He has to say "I AM GOING TO GET EIGHT HOURS OF WORK OUT OF YOU AND I WANT IT DONE PERFECTLY" like I'm a child at boot camp instead of the 21 year old dude who offered to powerwash the deck in the first place.

Ordering me to do shit is a great way to make me not do something.


Personally I think I would like powerwashing...never done it though. I always had to use a broom and a bucket of water to clean the terras in the garden. Hated that too...
Yeah, normally it's not too bad but something weird happened with our deck. Looks like there's algae all over it. Moisture from the snow, I think.


So what does he think constitutes contributing? and you sleep late because of work?Bringing in cashbux or doing housework. I do housework, but I don't think it "counts" unless it was an order.

And I sleep late because I stay up late. I don't have a job now. Soon, hopefully, but not yet.


Hehehe! Yes...that pretty much sums it up.Reminds me of my friend's dad, who came into the room at like 3 in the morning to complain about us being too loud with opening and closing the bathroom door. He said we were ignorant then said something about Muhammad Ali being loud and ignorant, and then left. Then he came back in and said "actually i like Muhammad Ali" and left again.

Dads yell for fun sometimes I guess?

[PhoenixAsh]

They don't bother me. But for some reason the guy can't just say "Hey this needs to get done". He has to say "I AM GOING TO GET EIGHT HOURS OF WORK OUT OF YOU AND I WANT IT DONE PERFECTLY" like I'm a child at boot camp instead of the 21 year old dude who offered to powerwash the deck in the first place.

Ordering me to do shit is a great way to make me not do something.

Always works on me too :lol:



Yeah, normally it's not too bad but something weird happened with our deck. Looks like there's algae all over it. Moisture from the snow, I think.Could be. But if they are algea they come off relatively easy unless hey are in the wood structure. In which case its hell! I don't envy you there.



Bringing in cashbux or doing housework. I do housework, but I don't think it "counts" unless it was an order.Was your dad in the amry?


And I sleep late because I stay up late. I don't have a job now. Soon, hopefully, but not yet.O...ok. I thought you mentioned you had a job....but that was previously?



Reminds me of my friend's dad, who came into the room at like 3 in the morning to complain about us being too loud with opening and closing the bathroom door. He said we were ignorant then said something about Muhammad Ali being loud and ignorant, and then left. Then he came back in and said "actually i like Muhammad Ali" and left again.

Dads yell for fun sometimes I guess?
Hehehe...thats actualy funny.

My dad did something like that the first time I had a hangover...came running and screaming into my room...threw some wooden toys from storage around...created a mess...put the raqdio on really loud....then stormed out.

...just to prove a point of how annoying it was when I was a kid. I think he saved thats one for years...:-D


I got back at him by breaking a colliflower into little pieces and putting them in the foot end of his bed. :-)