pretty scary

[RGacky3]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/17/tommy-thompson-wanted-to-implant-chips_n_863200.html

This is a long way off, but don't think its impossible to happen, it may not happen through the government (I doubt it), don't don't be supprised of employers eventually use this as class control.

[dernier combat]

NWO! ZOG! Black helicopters!

[RGacky3]

Its not a conspiracy at all, its a company that does it currently (for things like pets or sex offenders), and is talking about using it for employees.

[Jazzratt]

NWO! ZOG! Black helicopters! If you're implying this is some sort of crazy conspiracy theory it certainly seems to have broken the cardinal rule of most of them - that is having no damn evidence whatsoever. This was a guy talking quite openly about doing this shit, which makes it far more scary and far less tin foil hatty.

[piet11111]

I think i once heard talk about using such chips instead of pincards so that you would only need to put your hand over the cash register to pay for something.

While i can see benefits to such technology (for payment or storing medical records) having it used under capitalism is fucking scary.

[ColonelCossack]

i think they might sell data chips as, say , some kind of multimedia gadget, like an ipod in your brain, and then when there's a revolution turn them against the owner and control people.:scared::scared::scared:

[L.A.P.]

"small-government" individual freedom conservative liberty herp da derps FTW.:rolleyes:

[Zav]

"small-government" individual freedom conservative liberty herp da derps FTW.:rolleyes:
You beat me to it. I was going to remark about how ironic it was that he had a "Libertarian" flag behind him.

[StoneFrog]

Hope they do it, hackers be luving it.

[Johnny Kerosene]

This sounds like some science fiction movie where everyone is given a chip at birth, and then there are some people who go against it, like some small secret society of outlaws, who in the end free the world from the chips or some shit. I say fuck no, my employer doesn't need to know where the hell I am when I'm not on the job. And I definitely don't want the police to know where I am, at any time.

[#FF0000]

This sounds like some science fiction movie where everyone is given a chip at birth, and then there are some people who go against it, like some small secret society of outlaws, who in the end free the world from the chips or some shit.

You're right it does sound like Logan's Run.

[apawllo]

This guy campaigned pretty hard on this last election cycle, if I recall...he definitely mentioned it a number of times in debates. Not surprised to read he was getting a paycheck from the company.

[CleverTitle]

Tommy Thompson is something of a joke, all things considered.

Not that politicians in the US are above this sort of thing. I just don't think many people take him particularly seriously.

[Die Rote Fahne]

NWO! ZOG! Black helicopters!
*Hulk Hogan Voice* Brother, the nWo is comin for youuu!!?

[LOLseph Stalin]

It would be helpful for keeping track of criminals, but other than that I really don't see a purpose for installing chips into people.

[Broletariat]

It would be helpful for keeping track of criminals, but other than that I really don't see a purpose for installing chips into people.

I was going to ask but then I noticed you're restricted.

But really? We can track criminals, but not people.

REALLY?

[LOLseph Stalin]

I was going to ask but then I noticed you're restricted.

But really? We can track criminals, but not people.

REALLY?

I never said I approved. I was just saying one way how hypothetically it could be helpful.

[Broletariat]

I never said I approved. I was just saying one way how hypothetically it could be helpful.

Yea sorry I just re-read your post and realised I should go to sleep now.

edit: Shit I just re-read it and I don't even know anymore. I'm going to sleep and I'll let you know tomorrow.

[cu247]

This guy is crazyyy!!! But seriously, this thing is a bad idea, I don't wasnt people to know where I am at all times, I need privacy!

[LOLseph Stalin]

This guy is crazyyy!!! But seriously, this thing is a bad idea, I don't wasnt people to know where I am at all times, I need privacy!

I'm going to plat Devil's Advocacy for a minute...

Why worry about being watched when you're doing nothing wrong? Criminals can be captured much easier if under surveillance!

[cu247]

I'm going to plat Devil's Advocacy for a minute...

Why worry about being watched when you're doing nothing wrong? Criminals can be captured much easier if under surveillance!

Yeah, but who said I was doing nothing wrong? It's true that criminals can be captured a lot easier if they are under surveillance, but I don't agree with the state's definition of criminal (in some cases).

[LOLseph Stalin]

Yeah, but who said I was doing nothing wrong? It's true that criminals can be captured a lot easier if they are under surveillance, but I don't agree with the state's definition of criminal (in some cases).

Fair enough. What about murderers and rapists though? I'm pretty sure they're objectively considered to be criminals.

[cu247]

Yeah, they would be easier to catch, I've got to agree, but "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither ".

[#FF0000]

Fair enough. What about murderers and rapists though? I'm pretty sure they're objectively considered to be criminals.

I'm not especially comfortable with the idea of tagging human beings like animals on a preserve no matter the situation.

[piet11111]

Well there are obvious benefits to such a chip for the individual

- payment instead of cash or pin/credit card
- medical data storage (or to monitor stuff like blood sugar levels, heart rate, blood pressure etc.)
- ID

and to society at large

- monitoring traffic flow like how GPS systems are used to gather data on current traffic jams this way a busy metro station could decide to send more trains to deal with traffic.
- tracing the missing and the criminal

However such a system would place a lot of power in the hands of the state and under capitalism i would not want them to have that kind of power.

[Spawn of Stalin]

I wouldn't want any government to have that kind of power, regardless of whether they are capitalist or not


- payment instead of cash or pin/credit card
Trivial. Is it really such a problem to carry cash and cards? It's not worth being monitored for.

- medical data storage (or to monitor stuff like blood sugar levels, heart rate, blood pressure etc.)
As helpful as this may be, I really don't need the state checking up on my health remotely.

- ID
Mandatory ID cards would be better. The point of ID systems should be so that you can be identifiable in case you commit a crime, fall ill, or anything else like that, there is no need to have the authorities tracking your every move.

- monitoring traffic flow like how GPS systems are used to gather data on current traffic jams this way a busy metro station could decide to send more trains to deal with traffic.
Why not put chips in cars instead of people?

- tracing the missing and the criminal
Then tag convicted offenders, no problem, but only serious ones, can't be tracking people for just anything.

[RGacky3]

BTW, this is'nt even the state, where its somewhat accountable, its a totally unnaccountable corporation.

[Revolution starts with U]

I think the only way chips could work is if the user (i.e. you) had programming power over it.
I don't like the idea that you could just be shut off from mainstream society; who you are being lost, changed, or to have officially never existed at all.

[RGacky3]

There is no way even if I had programming power I would support anything close to this, I have programming power over my computer, but that stuff can easily be overrun by a corporation if they wanted to.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Yeah, they would be easier to catch, I've got to agree, but "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither ".

Please, don't pull that stupid as fuck Franklin quote that all the bourgeois liberals, reptoids and other hacks love so much. It's perfectly sensible to sacrifice something abstract, vague and pointless for something concrete that has real direct benefits (many chose to interpret the security as including things like health care and employment as well, and Franklin was a bourgeois arse).

Chipping and those other paranoid attempts are not really about general security, but about protecting the capitalist interests. The quote does not really stress this, and is coming from the perspective of a bourgeois hack, and is therefore stupid.

[RGacky3]

It's perfectly sensible to sacrifice something abstract, vague and pointless for something concrete that has real direct benefits (many chose to interpret the security as including things like health care and employment as well, and Franklin was a bourgeois arse).


Being able to move freely without someone tracking you, being able to do what you want is not abstract, vague and pointless, the word freedom and security are the same levels of abstractness. If your not allowed to read a certain book, or speak your mind that was REAL and concrete consequences on society.


The quote does not really stress this, and is coming from the perspective of a bourgeois hack, and is therefore stupid.

If individual freedom is'nt important to you, why the hell are you a socialist, the whole basis of socialism was built from liberal ideals, such as self-determination (another word for freedom).

[Die Rote Fahne]

Being able to move freely without someone tracking you, being able to do what you want is not abstract, vague and pointless, the word freedom and security are the same levels of abstractness. If your not allowed to read a certain book, or speak your mind that was REAL and concrete consequences on society.



If individual freedom is'nt important to you, why the hell are you a socialist, the whole basis of socialism was built from liberal ideals, such as self-determination (another word for freedom).

Progressive, not liberal.

[RGacky3]

Whatever you want to call it, the point stands.