Log in

View Full Version : Stalin and Mengele joined forces to crash land UFO - and more. In Area 51



MarxSchmarx
18th May 2011, 01:33
So there's this book that just came out from a rather "mainstream" journalist that claims that the UFO that landed in Roswell in 1951 was a Soviet experimental airplane. So far nothing too outlandish, I suppose one could swallow that story.

But here's where things get really messed up. According to the book, apparently Mengele ended up working for the Soviet Union after the war, and that:


It dismisses the alien story and puts forward the theory that Stalin was inspired by Orson Wells’s famous radio adaptation of the HG Wells novel War of the Worlds, which provoked hysteria across America when broadcast in 1938... The Nazi doctor, who experimented on prisoners in Auschwitz and fled to South America after the war, was supposedly enlisted to create a crew of “grotesque, child-size aviators” in return for a eugenics laboratory. ...



“They found bodies alongside the crashed craft. These were not aliens. Nor were they consenting airmen. They were human guinea pigs. Unusually petite for pilots, they appeared to be children. Each was under five feet tall.
“They were grotesquely deformed, but each in the same manner as the others. They had unusually large heads and abnormally shaped oversize eyes.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/8512408/Roswell-was-Soviet-plot-to-create-US-panic.html

Now, either her single source for this is a troll deserving the Order of Lenin, or that the USSR and the USA schemed to experiment on people and hush up each others crimes isn't terribly preposterous. Apparently the (anonymous, single) source is quite impeccable on everything else and had risen rather high in the American government. In an interview she mentioned how the Americans would routinely experiment on mentally sick people, and perhaps the new crop of post-purging careerists in the Soviet military had little qualms about doing what it took in light of the German invasion still fresh in their minds.

What I don't know is how much Russian reaction to this there has been. Surely if there was a program like this in the USSR there would be records, and it seems a bit strange that with all the high profile defectors over the years and the like that nothing even remotely corroborative (like Mengele actually receiving a check from the Russians) emerged. Moreover, the soviet union briefly flirted with comparatively mild human experimentation (compared to what the Americans, Japanese and Germans did) in the form of trying (and failing spectacularly) to inseminate chimpanzee eggs with human sperm and abandoned it, for what that's worth. So for now I'm inclined to dismiss it.

Still, it's one of these really disturbing occurances in life that the more one thinks about, the less shocking it is that shit like this could have happened.

Revolutionair
18th May 2011, 01:44
I'm not sure but I think I've already read this on a Dutch site. There the people claimed it was bullshit because the specific airplane did not have the range to land there.


De Horten 229 heeft een max bereik van 2000 km
Leuk verzonnen.
The Horten 229 had a max reach of 2000 kmThe second part of the quote basically means "Cool that you made that up." As in: the conspiracist made something up and it was worth it because it was funny.


If another Dutch person on this site could translate this:

De aan Oxford[1] gepromoveerde Dr. Joseph P. Farrell heeft een prachtig boek geschreven met een wat verwante theorie van dit "derde scenario": 'wat neerkwam bij Roswell kwam, kwam van de Aarde zelf'-theorie.'

Een van de reviewers wat het mooi samen:

"The book pounds the last nails into the coffin of the entire alien invasion cover story and reveals the truth that has been in front of us for almost 70 years. "

en

"I was blown away by the thesis and scholarship in this massive book! The arguments and references are air tight, and is by far the best work I have ever seen on a topic with so many twists, turns and dead ends!"

Zit super in elkaar met een heel gedetailleerde analyse van teksten, verhalen van ooggetuigen en gebeurtenissen. Aanrader voor iedereen dit dit interessant vindt! :-)

http://www.amazon.com/Roswell-Reich-Connection-... (http://www.amazon.com/Roswell-Reich-Connection-Joseph-Farrell/dp/1935487051/)

[1] Dat betekent in dit geval leesvoer met heel veel voetnoten en referenties beste lezers, niet wat leuke verzinsels zonder substantie! http://www.nujij.nl/stalin-en-joseph-mengele-verantwoordelijk-voor.12330845.lynkx

Delenda Carthago
19th May 2011, 18:54
That was the story of a video game, wasnt it?Bad, bad fascist Stalin, working with your cousin nazis.All the socialists are the same!

Nolan
19th May 2011, 18:54
right...

Toppler
19th May 2011, 19:11
This is literarly the most insane thing I've ever read.

Omsk
19th May 2011, 19:20
Iv also heard a tale about Lenin being Hitlers relative.How's that for crazy?
And the ever popular story of a gigantic,continuous,world revolution.

Johnny Kerosene
21st May 2011, 18:22
This is literarly the most insane thing I've ever read.

I think White Supremacists are a bit crazier. Thinking they're the epitome of humanity and all when most of them are morbidly obese morons who would've probably ended up being shot for one reason or another in Nazi Germany. Though this is still pretty ridiculous.

Aspiring Humanist
25th May 2011, 02:28
And Oswald shot JFK to bring attention to Basque separatists

☭The Revolution☭
25th May 2011, 02:35
Look up in the sky! It's a flying mustache!

Magón
25th May 2011, 07:12
Already saw this lady on the Daily Show. She's very fucking weird.