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Sinister Cultural Marxist

17th May 2011, 10:33

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13422911

China's Forbidden City admits plans for 'rich club'

By Michael Bristow BBC News, Beijing http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/52655000/jpg/_52655809_011945823-1.jpg The Forbidden City authorities now say there were plans for a private club inside the palace
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Officials at the former home of China's emperors have admitted that there were plans to open an exclusive private club inside the palace.
They had initially denied the historic site was being used for private profit.
Potential club members were apparently invited to a lavish opening ceremony inside the Forbidden City.
Media reports say they were being charged $150,000 (£92,600) each to join the club.
Photographs of the opening ceremony have been posted online.
They show attendants dressed as ancient warriors, as they might have done when emperors strolled the palace corridors.
Valuable museum pieces were said to be on display for the special guests, who dined on delicacies such as double-boiled superior fungus with Chinese herbs.
Another picture shows a welcome note prepared by the organisers. It says the club is intended as a meeting place for the "wise elites" in society.
The Forbidden City authorities say the club was being organised without their knowledge by the Beijing Palace Museum Royal Court Cultural Development Company, a firm linked to the museum.
"It made its own decision without approval from us to expand customer services and release membership invitation forms," the Forbidden City said in a statement.
Plans to go ahead and recruit members have now been scrapped.
The private club was being organised in the Jianfu Palace, a section of the Forbidden City that was built by the Emperor Qianlong in the 18th Century.
It burnt down in 1923 and was restored after several years of painstaking work in 2005, with money donated by a Hong Kong businessman.
The Forbidden City, in the heart of Beijing, was home to China's emperors in the Ming and Qing dynasties.

I think that the CCP has found a new alternative energy source in making Mao spin in his mausoleum.

Seriously though, the "wise elites" of society? Sounds more like a more bourgeois version of the ancient chinese political system of mandarins than a "workers democracy".

Jose Gracchus

18th May 2011, 07:57

The fruit of Dengism (though the Right Turn definitely began under Mao).

bailey_187

18th May 2011, 12:09

still waiting for my invite

Astarte

20th May 2011, 07:23

This seems to me like what Orwell was getting at when he briefly described the Eastasian state's philosophy of "Obliteration of the Self".

"This ideology presumably made some allusion to Buddhist cultural concepts, but was functionally indistinguishable from the totalitarian "oligarchical collectivist" ideologies of the other two superpowers". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_worship#1984

Only replace "Buddhism" with a mixture of Confucianism, Legalism and Taoist folk-religion.

Red Future

23rd May 2011, 17:07

Revolutionair

23rd May 2011, 17:13

There is nothing Communist about most CCP members anyway ..the reforms by Deng destroyed the revolutionary Maoist nature of the CCP though some of the CCP grassroots are still Maoist.

TBH this doesn't surprise me in any way.

The CCP does not have a nature. It is merely an organization. If there was space for this kind of people within the CCP, then the CCP had this coming. IE there was nothing revolutionary or communist about the CCP.

Red Future

23rd May 2011, 17:17

The CCP does not have a nature. It is merely an organization. If there was space for this kind of people within the CCP, then the CCP had this coming. IE there was nothing revolutionary or communist about the CCP.

Hmmm... the Chinese Revolution in 1949???? On a second note why are you attacking my posts with nonsense like that?

Revolutionair

23rd May 2011, 17:18

I meant revolutionary as in changing the mode of production.

Red Future

23rd May 2011, 17:19

I meant revolutionary as in changing the mode of production.

In regard to the Current CCP then yes.

Obs

23rd May 2011, 17:59

So, when's the PSL gonna stop calling China socialist?

Return to the Source

23rd May 2011, 18:04

My understanding of PSL's line on China is that they don't actually call it a socialist country. I know a lot of their members do, and PSL doesn't explicitly call it a capitalist country--in fact, they argue there are a lot of gains to defend in China--but I've gotten the impression from my limited reading of their position that they support China without necessarily classifying it as a socialist country.

I could be wrong, especially since I'm not a PSL member, so someone from PSL should correct me because I don't want to misconstrue their position.

I know FRSO (Fight Back) includes China in their Unity Statement as one of the five remaining socialist countries. I'm not sure about Workers World, but I'd imagine their position is similar to PSL's.

Obs

23rd May 2011, 18:09

they support China

Fuck

Revolutionair

23rd May 2011, 18:20

Cleansing Conspiratorial Revolutionary Flame

23rd May 2011, 18:30

The left is in such a horrible shape.

If you support the state of China, you are NOT a leftist. You are a Chinese-nationalist.
If your vision of socialism entails being forced to work for any kind of boss (this includes states), then you are NOT a leftist.
If your final goal is not a classless and stateless society, but instead a society run by 'nice' secret police officers, then you are NOT a leftist.
While I agree with you for the most part:

I disagree with you on the nature of states, while Capitalism exists internationally and there still exists the Bourgeois as a class. There is a requirement of a Socialist State in order to protect Communist Economic Zones in a manner of a guardian state.

The embodiment of such a state would have to be completely constitutional and such a constitution would have to be upheld by the Working Class of the Socialist Republic in order to ensure that their society isn't overtaken by those who don't have their interests at their heart.

Upon achievement of an International Revolution although-- The Socialist State would be liquidated and the already flourishing Communist Economic Zones would simply take control of the lack thereof government.

Ultimately, Marxist-Leninism, Maoism and Anarchism or for that matter any other ideology is capable of playing into part in such a society, as the inevitable goal in the Communist Economic Zones is a lack thereof a state and communist economic conditions and in the Socialist State (Marxist-Leninists and Maoists) it is representing the Communist Economic Zones Internationally and serving as a Guardian to them from Capitalism.

23rd May 2011, 20:48

This is obviously comparable to the NEP in Russia. :rolleyes:

Chimurenga.

24th May 2011, 04:39

So, when's the PSL gonna stop calling China socialist?

We view China as retreated from socialism and we don't view China as completely capitalist. We support the Chinese Revolution which we consider to be still ongoing despite the retreat from socialism. We see so-called "Market socialism", in general, as a betrayal of the working class and allowing concessions from the West.

I could go on but that is our view of China, in a nutshell.

Minima

25th May 2011, 22:21

Economically, the privatization and hand over of state controlled (by no means real communism either) resources and means of production to a small group of entrepreneurs closely associated with the party, is no where even near the regulated economies of "social democratic capitalism," to any real form of socialism. To an extraordinary and unsustainable degree China's wealth comes not from consumption, not from the buying power of newly prosperous masses, as in "mature" capitalist countries. China's wealth comes to a remarkable extent from investment, by the state, and the big state owned corporations, and the private entrepreneurs who enjoy favours from the party-state. (in this it is a crappy form of capitalism, but in no way is it any form of hyphenated-communism by any means.)

Ideologically there is a massive (for the better half of this century at least) swing of the middle class and working class towards economic liberalism and continued state centrism.

China must be considered a capitalist country!

There is should be no room for interpretation.

In this vein of analysis I highly recommend "The Rise of China and the Demise of the Capitalist World-Economy" by Minqi Li

Ocean Seal

30th May 2011, 15:27

We view China as retreated from socialism and we don't view China as completely capitalist. We support the Chinese Revolution which we consider to be still ongoing despite the retreat from socialism. We see so-called "Market socialism", in general, as a betrayal of the working class and allowing concessions from the West.

I could go on but that is our view of China, in a nutshell.
What is their opinion of Chinese imperialism today?
And the presence of foreign imperialist ownership of the means of production in China today?
What should be done in China? What can we hope for?