European Social Democrats, to save socal-democracy, vote Communist support anarchists

[RGacky3]

If your a Social Democrat in Europe, meaning your NOT a socialist, not a revolutionary, pro-union but not a syndicalist and so on, you HAVE TO support parties and groups that are radically left of your political beliefs. Heres why, In Europe the far right is on the rise, the anti-immigrant, racist right wing, who want to strip down the welfare state (many times pretending to protect it), and you have the soft conservative right, the same old same old, then you have the soft left, the Labor parties, the social-democrats, whose goal it is to KEEP THE CURRENT SYSTEM, their goal is the status quo, perhaps slightly more socialism, but on the other hand you ahve people who want to dstroy it.

If you have a tug of war, one side (the right) is pulling with all their strength, and the other side (the social-democrats) are just trying to keep the rope in the same place, then every foot it gets pulled the left barely pulls harder at all, your gonna suffer HUGE looses. What you need, EVEN if all you want is a social-democratic mixed economy style welfare state, is to support groups that will pull furiously to the left, you need revolutionary groups to offset the radical right wingers.

[Thirsty Crow]

You're wrong in that you fail to realize that there is a consensus within the political mainstream which stipulates the need to tear down (what remains of) the welfare state. When the crisis hits in, there is no question who will suffer at the hands of the capitalist state (and by proxy, capitalists).
The only difference is in concrete strategy and timing.
And to argue, like you always did I'm afraid, that these "euro-bureaucrats" aim at "slightly more of socialism" is totally ridiculous.

For fuck's sake, the presidentiatial candidate of the French PS ("socialists") is the head of the IMF!

[RGacky3]

Some of them do support the socail democrats. But your right, the consensus amung the political and buisiness class IS to dismantle social-democracy, but that is not the consensus amung the generaly public, which is why many of them still vote labor/social-democrat, because they still have the concept that these parties are for social-democracy.

I'm saying, to save social democracy, you have to go way farther left and pull from the radical left.

I'm not saying support social democrats, I'm saying the opposite, I'm saying go further left.

[RGacky3]

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I think this is a big reason a lot of Europeans don't feel the need to go more radically left, they believe the election rhetoric, and they believe the policy excuses.

[RGacky3]

part of what I'm saying is don't get too exhited about the labor/social democratic parties abandoning thirdway politics for socialism, its a reaction to the leftist reaction to the crisis, if you want them to actually pull left, and if you want real social-democracy, you have to attack from the radical left.