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Lobotomy
17th May 2011, 02:21
From Larry Miller, circa 2002, published in the Weekly Standard:
The Palestinians want their own country. There's just one thing about that: There are no Palestinians. It's a made up word. Israel was called Palestine for two thousand years.

Like "Wiccan," "Palestinian" sounds ancient but is really a modern invention. Before the Israelis won the land in war, Gaza was owned by Egypt, and there were no "Palestinians" then, and the West Bank was owned by Jordan, and there were no "Palestinians" then. As soon as the Jews took over and started growing oranges as big as basketballs, what do you know, say hello to the "Palestinians," weeping for their deep bond with their lost "land" and "nation." So for the sake of honesty, let's not use the word "Palestinian" any more to describe these delightful folks, who dance for joy at our deaths until someone points out they're being taped. Instead, let's call them what they are: "Other Arabs From The Same General Area Who Are In Deep Denial About Never Being Able To Accomplish Anything In Life And Would Rather Wrap Themselves In The Seductive Melodrama Of Eternal Struggle And Death." I know that's a bit unwieldy to expect to see on CNN. How about this, then: "Adjacent Jew-Haters."
Okay, so the Adjacent Jew-Haters want their own country. Oops, just one more thing. No, they don't. They could've had their own country any time in the last thirty years, especially two years ago at Camp David. But if you have your own country, you have to have traffic lights and garbage trucks and Chambers of Commerce, and, worse, you actually have to figure out some way to make a living. That's no fun. No, they want what all the other Jew-Haters in the region want: Israel. They also want a big pile of dead Jews, of course--that's where the real fun is--but mostly they want Israel. Why? For one thing, trying to destroy Israel--or "The Zionist Entity" as their textbooks call it--for the last fifty years has allowed the rulers of Arab countries to divert the attention of their own people away from the fact that they're the blue-ribbon most illiterate, poorest, and tribally backward on God's Earth, and if you've ever been around God's Earth, you know that's really saying something. It makes me roll my eyes every time one of our pundits waxes poetic about the great history and culture of the Muslim Mideast. Unless I'm missing something, the Arabs haven't given anything to the world since Algebra, and, by the way, thanks a hell of a lot for that one.

Chew this around and spit it out: Five hundred million Arabs; five million Jews. Think of all the Arab countries as a football field, and Israel as a pack of matches sitting in the middle of it. And now these same folks swear that if Israel gives them half of that pack of matches, everyone will be pals. Really? Wow, what neat news. Hey, but what about the string of wars to obliterate the tiny country and the constant din of rabid blood oaths to drive every Jew into the sea? Oh, that? We were just kidding.

I'm so pissed off I just had to share this. I can't think of anything more insulting to do to a culture than to simply deny its legitimacy.

CleverTitle
17th May 2011, 02:29
Gross. Even tossing in a "they out number them" line.

Rafiq
17th May 2011, 02:37
Arabs have contributed a lot to modern science, mathematics, history, economics, and other fields. Certainly much more than just "algebra (hur hur it sux in school so they r assholes for making it). Not take this too far, but maybe he should be blaming the school system, rather than algebra itself?

And he's right about one thing (kind of) Arab rulers do use a lot of scapegoats to screw over their people and keep them deluded (they also use religion and 'muslim unity' to fuck with class struggle), but to be fair, 'arab rulers' are almost all friendly with Israel, besides Syria, if I'm correct.

Tim Finnegan
17th May 2011, 02:53
His rejection of a Palestinian nation on the grounds that Palestine is a modern construct has some grounding, but he seems to forget that it is not an Arab construct but an Anglo-French one, and not one that emerged without Zionist support. If the Arabs, including the Palestinians, had got their way ninety years ago, there would be a single Arab republic (albeit excluding Egypt), but Arab unity is something he finds terrifying, because it's a threat to Israel. So the Palestinians are denied any say one way or the other- and all in the defence of the principle of national self-determination. Absurd.

Reducing the Palestinian cause to "Jew-Hating" is pretty choice, too. More than a few echoes of "Rome rule" in that, sure enough.

Leftie
17th May 2011, 20:51
Your cousin is a dick.

This is a disgusting insult to all Palestinians.

Fun fact: According to wikipedia, while there are around 13 million Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews) on Earth, there are around 11 million Palestinians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people).

And Palestinians don't exist :rolleyes:

Kamos
17th May 2011, 21:06
My mother thinks the same way about Israel. She spouts all of the typical "anti-zionism=anti-semitism", "Palestinians don't exist, who cares about them" (-> literally), "Jews has a right to a state based on the Bible" BS lines. She also claims to be a left-liberal. She also has a tendency to ignore anything I say in return, so needless to say, the first time I talked to her about Israel and Palestine was also the last. What I wondered about is where the "Palestinians don't exist" line came from. Apparently this was not just her idea, but rather another of the Zionist propaganda lines.

Your cousin is also a moron for implying that advancements in algebra could be bad in any way. Like, a clinical-stage moron.

Ocean Seal
17th May 2011, 21:34
Its shit like this that really pisses me off. In order to tear apart such a steaming pile, I think I should do it in parts.


From Larry Miller, circa 2002, published in the Weekly Standard:
The Palestinians want their own country. There's just one thing about that: There are no Palestinians. It's a made up word. Israel was called Palestine for two thousand years.

Ok I see where they're going with this



Like "Wiccan," "Palestinian" sounds ancient but is really a modern invention. Before the Israelis won the land in war, Gaza was owned by Egypt, and there were no "Palestinians" then, and the West Bank was owned by Jordan, and there were no "Palestinians" then. As soon as the Jews took over and started growing oranges as big as basketballs, what do you know, say hello to the "Palestinians," weeping for their deep bond with their lost "land" and "nation." So for the sake of honesty, let's not use the word "Palestinian" any more to describe these delightful folks, who dance for joy at our deaths until someone points out they're being taped. Instead, let's call them what they are: "Other Arabs From The Same General Area Who Are In Deep Denial About Never Being Able To Accomplish Anything In Life And Would Rather Wrap Themselves In The Seductive Melodrama Of Eternal Struggle And Death." I know that's a bit unwieldy to expect to see on CNN. How about this, then: "Adjacent Jew-Haters."


Ahh my favorite bullshit point. Hmmm, interesting. To me it doesn't matter what they're called or if they're an ethnicity. Because as far as I am concerned your ethnicity doesn't entitle you to control a nation and I'm pretty sure that the people who propose dividing up nations according to ethnicity haven't been big on human rights *ahem* Hitler *ahem*. What did happen was that Israel came in and ethnically cleansed Palestine. Now whether you want to call the displaced people Palestinians or Other Arabs From The Same General Area they still happen to be people.

I would just like to take a hypothetical point in saying that I am a New Yorker. If Canada came in and invaded the US and attempted to displace the population of New York, wouldn't it be right to defend our homes? Now of course the Canadian government could state that there are no such things as New Yorkers merely Other American From The Same General Area but however you choose to spin it, it still really fucking sucks that I lost my home. But of course Canadians claim that their ancestors from 3,000 years ago owned this land and since there are no such thing as New Yorkers technically; we're out of luck.




Okay, so the Adjacent Jew-Haters want their own country. Oops, just one more thing. No, they don't. They could've had their own country any time in the last thirty years, especially two years ago at Camp David. But if you have your own country, you have to have traffic lights and garbage trucks and Chambers of Commerce, and, worse, you actually have to figure out some way to make a living. That's no fun. No, they want what all the other Jew-Haters in the region want: Israel. They also want a big pile of dead Jews, of course--that's where the real fun is--but mostly they want Israel. Why? For one thing, trying to destroy Israel--or "The Zionist Entity" as their textbooks call it--for the last fifty years has allowed the rulers of Arab countries to divert the attention of their own people away from the fact that they're the blue-ribbon most illiterate, poorest, and tribally backward on God's Earth, and if you've ever been around God's Earth, you know that's really saying something. It makes me roll my eyes every time one of our pundits waxes poetic about the great history and culture of the Muslim Mideast. Unless I'm missing something, the Arabs haven't given anything to the world since Algebra, and, by the way, thanks a hell of a lot for that one.

Hurr durr. By the way at just one university we have: THIS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_Arab_Students_Organization_SciTech_Awards)
And they wonder why the Palestinians hate them?
Also I've seen these excuses before.

The KKK: Black people have never accomplished anything. They're backwards and poor.
European Imperialists: We have a "white man's burden" to make Africa a better place through imperialism.
William McKinley (Imperialist in Chief a while back): We need to help our little brown brothers in the Philippines because they're too primitive for their independence.
Hitler: Slavs are undermen. We need to invade Eastern Europe to get our living space.
All of these imperialists/ racists/ have something in common. They try to blame the victim for their genocide.


Chew this around and spit it out: Five hundred million Arabs; five million Jews. Think of all the Arab countries as a football field, and Israel as a pack of matches sitting in the middle of it. And now these same folks swear that if Israel gives them half of that pack of matches, everyone will be pals. Really? Wow, what neat news. Hey, but what about the string of wars to obliterate the tiny country and the constant din of rabid blood oaths to drive every Jew into the sea? Oh, that? We were just kidding.

Ahh here your fellow practitioners of apartheid in South Africa are apparently lending you some tips.
Claim that you are oppressed because you are a minority even though you are in power. That way you can use self-defense as a reason for genocide even when you control a completely disproportionate amount of wealth and territory and repeatedly decide to brutalize the majority.

9
17th May 2011, 21:40
Man, don't argue politics with your family. Especially on facebook, FFS.

Lobotomy
18th May 2011, 07:06
Man, don't argue politics with your family. Especially on facebook, FFS.

I didn't say anything, I know it's a bad idea.

VeritablyV
18th May 2011, 07:43
The Arabic world, in my knowledge, actually did contribute a lot to knowledge while Europe was crap, and not just algebra.

genstrike
18th May 2011, 07:49
So if there are no Palestinians, were those folks I saw in Ramallah, Hebron, Nablus, etc all holograms? Or perhaps androids?

Anarcho-Benjamin
30th May 2011, 05:20
Their text books don't say that, they are too poor for commodities such as "text books" thanks to Israel.