The spanish youth take the streets against politicians and bankers [Archive]

Delenda Carthago

17th May 2011, 05:33

After an an internet call out for demonstrations across Spain on 15 May, claiming inspiration from the Arab Spring and protests in Portugal and elsewhere, thousands of protestors marched in all cities of Spain. We repost the manifesto (http://democraciarealya.es/?page_id=814) of the demonstrators.

We are ordinary people. We are like you: people, who get up every morning to study, work or find a job, people who have family and friends. People, who work hard every day to provide a better future for those around us.
Some of us consider ourselves progressive, others conservative. Some of us are believers, some not. Some of us have clearly defined ideologies, others are apolitical, but we are all concerned and angry about the political, economic, and social outlook which we see around us: corruption among politicians, businessmen, bankers, leaving us helpless, without a voice.
This situation has become normal, a daily suffering, without hope. But if we join forces, we can change it. Itʼs time to change things, time to build a better society together. Therefore, we strongly argue that:
◦ The priorities of any advanced society must be equality, progress, solidarity, freedom of culture, sustainability and development, welfare and peopleʼs happiness.
◦ These are inalienable truths that we should abide by in our society: the right to housing, employment, culture, health, education, political participation, free personal development, and consumer rights for a healthy and happy life.
◦ The current status of our government and economic system does not take care of these rights, and in many ways is an obstacle to human progress.
◦ Democracy belongs to the people (demos = people, krátos = government) which means that government is made of every one of us. However, in Spain most of the political class does not even listen to us. Politicians should be bringing our voice to the institutions, facilitating the political participation of citizens through direct channels that provide the greatest benefit to the wider society, not to get rich and prosper at our expense, attending only to the dictatorship of major economic powers and holding them in power through a bipartidism headed by the immovable acronym PP & PSOE.
◦ Lust for power and its accumulation in only a few; create inequality, tension and injustice, which leads to violence, which we reject. The obsolete and unnatural economic model fuels the social machinery in a growing spiral that consumes itself by enriching a few and sends into poverty the rest. Until the collapse.
◦ The will and purpose of the current system is the accumulation of money, not regarding efficiency and the welfare of society. Wasting resources, destroying the planet, creating unemployment and unhappy consumers.
◦ Citizens are the gears of a machine designed to enrich a minority which does not regard our needs. We are anonymous, but without us none of this would exist, because we move the world.
◦ If as a society we learn to not trust our future to an abstract economy, which never returns benefits for the most, we can eliminate the abuse that we are all suffering.
◦ We need an ethical revolution. Instead of placing money above human beings, we shall put it back to our service. We are people, not products. I am not a product of what I buy, why I buy and who I buy from.
For all of the above, I am outraged.I think I can change it.I think I can help.I know that together we can.I think I can help.
I know that together we can.

"No home, no gigs and without fear" was the general feeling of the more than 30,000 people took to the streets yesterday to criticize parties and bankers, to the rescue of financial institutions, social cuts and job insecurity. In Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia and Sevilla were experienced on Sunday May 15 (15m) more mass demonstrations called by the public platform Real Democracy Now.
"Real Democracy now. Goods are not politicians and bankers "," No bread for both chorizo, "" There is no democracy if the markets rule, "" Violence is to charge 600 euros "or" not a crisis, it is a scam "were some of the repeated slogans on posters and banners. Also could see a number of references to the Arab riots and Iceland, the country where the population has rejected twice in referendums to pay for the bankruptcy of their banks.
In Madrid, about 20,000 protesters, according to the protesters of all ages walked the stretch from Plaza de Cibeles to the Puerta del Sol, where they read a manifesto denouncing the perversion of the concept of democracy by "the economic and political power. " "We have set aside special interests to focus on what unites us, the indignation at the abuses of government, politicians, financial institutions and largecorporations, "organizers said. Political analyst Carlos Taibo also denounced the legislation "lax" against tax havens.
After the demonstration, a group of people gathered spontaneously in the Puerta del Sol in a peaceful way to express their desire for change and intended to stay camped out until next May 22. More than 100 people unemployed, trainees, foreclosures, evictions, workers, precarious and students demanding respect for our rights and expose the shortcomings of the current system.
In Barcelona the organizers call 15,000 people denounced the political, economic and social corruption of politicians, businessmen and bankers. Quite follow demonstrations took place in other Catalan cities such as Tarragona, Figueres and Lleida.
Similar calls were also developed in other fifty cities. In Valencia it comes to more than 5,000 people, a figure similar scenario for Sevilla and Murcia. Other demonstrations were quite massive de Vigo, A Coruña, Oviedo, Jaen, Cordoba, Malaga and Vitoria.
Sen have also held similar concentrations in European cities like London and Paris. The organizers of the demonstrations have explained that this call has been inspired by the vivid protests in the Arab world and in countries like Iceland and Greece.
The participants in demonstrations across the state have shared videos, pictures and slogans on the network.(republished from Manel Sanchez (https://www.facebook.com/notes/manel-sanchez/spain-15-4-2011-in-50-cities-more-than-30000-people-demand-a-real-democracy-now/210572375643415))

Short URL : http://wp.me/pyR3u-6mk
www.eagainst.com (http://www.eagainst.com/)

DDR

17th May 2011, 13:42

This night the police had evicted Sol:

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DDR

17th May 2011, 21:13

Sol has been retaken:

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El Salvador in Seville is crowded with arround 250 people.

Plaça Catalunya the same.

New concentrations and "campings" all arround the country in the mayor cities. The list of places is this one:

Link a la instancia al derecho de reunión, elaborada por David Bravo y Javier de la Cueva: megaupload.com 6A5NC54U (ya que Google Docs está saturado)

También disponible en formatos .odt y .doc desde el blog de David Bravo: http://www.filmica.com/david_bravo/

Última actualización: 17/05/2011 18:45

Hashtags globales:
#spanishrevolution y #acampadasol.

Acampadas ya comenzadas:
Madrid: Puerta del Sol.
-Horario de (re)inicio: 20:00 (Martes 17)
-Hashtag: #acampadasol
-Gente twitteando desde allí: @fanetin, @Watermelonparty, @RaulioYveloz, @acampadasol, @Igalonso, @pokaly, @XaviMod, @danigarciausa, @volianihil,
-Wifi gratuita cercana: C/ Arenal 2. C/Preciados 37. Gran Via 52. Mesonero Romanos 15

Barcelona: Plaza de Catalunya
-Hashtag: #acampadabcn
-Gente twitteando desde allí: @acampadabcn, @mparramon,
-Wifi gratuita cercana: Pº Mayor de Gracia 113, C/Pelayo 14, Duc 15, Gran Via 656

Valencia: Plaza del Ayuntamiento
-Hashtag: #acampadavalencia
-Gente twitteando desde allí: @Querelle28, @Reymonografico, @freestyl0rz, @fingolf, @acampadavlc, @Ingothik,

Granada: Paseo del Salón
-Horario de (re)inicio: 20:00 (Martes 17)
-Hashtag: #acampadagranada
-Gente twitteando desde allí: @Challen,
-Wifi gratuita cercana: C/Campo del principe. Plz Gamboa H Hesperia, Central Café 2 C/ de Elvira

Tenerife: Plaza de la Candelaria
-Hashtag: #acampadatenerife
-Gente twitteando desde allí: @emedeseh,
-Wifi gratuita cercana: Wifi FON. Código gratuito (para no usuarios de FON) en la página: Aquí

Málaga: Plaza de la Constitución
-Hashtag: #acampadamalaga
-Gente twitteando desde allí: @vera_alberto, @Xiragnos, @agoma8,

A Coruña: Obelisco de los Cantones, frente Jardines de Mendez Núñez
-Hashtag: #acampadacoruna
-Gente twitteando desde allí: @Garou_cuac, @opinguino, @miguelparada, @raul_mella
-Wifi gratuita cercana: Rua Orzan 114, Plz Lugo 10, y el Macroñas de C/Romero sn

Las Palmas de Gran Canaria: Parque de San Telmo
-Hashtag: #acampadalaspalmas
-Gente twitteando desde allí: @pizulito, @ElJoroGC, @bextia, @davidds64, @letang, @Cdiazpostel,@VOMITIVE
-Wifi gratuita cercana: 42 C/del General Mas De Gaminde

Zaragoza: Plaza del Pilar
-Hashtag: #acampadazaragoza
-Gente twitteando desde allí: @acampadazgz,

Santiago de Compostela: Plaza del Obradoiro
-Hashtag: #acampadaobradoiro
-Gente twitteando desde allí: @meravgo, @acampadascq, @Abigarrada,

Bilbao: Teatro Arriaga
-Hashtag: #acampadabilbao
-Gente twitteando desde allí:

Santander: Plaza Porticada de Santander
-Hashtag:
-Gente twitteando desde allí: @DRY_Santander, @HPHirving, @Sinessio, @kristianpunk87, @sofi_vf, @wacamalo, @David_Willow87, @Shxine,

Salamanca: Subdelegación del Gobierno
-Hashtag: #acampadasalamanca
-Gente twitteando desde allí:

Bilbao: Teatro Arriaga (Asamblea)
-Hashtag: #acampadabilbao
-Gente twitteando desde allí:

Palma de Mallorca: Plaza de España
-Hashtag: #acampadapalma
-Gente twitteando desde allí: @joanporcel,

Xixón/Gijón: Plaza del Ayuntamiento
-Hashtag: #acampadagijon
-Gente twitteando desde allí:

Huelva: Plaza Antiguo Colombino
-Hashtag: #acampadahuelva
-Gente twitteando desde allí: @Acampadahuelva,

Sevilla: Plaza del Salvador (Concentración)
-Hashtag: #acampadasevilla
-Gente twitteando desde allí:

Acampadas convocadas:

Alicante: Plaza de la Montañeta
-Horario A partir de las 19:00 (Martes 17)
-Hashtag: #acampadaalicante
-Gente twitteando desde allí:

Vigo: Calle del Príncipe, frente a MARCO
-Horario: 19:30 (Martes 17)
-Hashtag: #acampadavigo
-Gente twitteando desde allí:

Santander: Plaza Porticada (Concentración)
-Horario: 20:00 (Martes 17)
-Hashtag: #acampadasantander
-Gente twitteando desde allí: @DRY_Santander, @rf1x, @MonkeyToca, @lol_IN,

Sevilla: Plaza de la Encarnación
-Horario: 20:00 (Martes 17)
-Hashtag: #acampadasevilla
-Gente twitteando desde allí: @pubherz,

Murcia: La Glorieta
-Horario: 20:00 (Martes 17)
-Hashtag: #acampadamurcia
-Gente twitteando desde allí:

Burgos: Plaza Mayor
-Horario: 20:00 (Martes 17)
-Hashtag: #acampadabu
-Gente twitteando desde allí: @madrovergaya,

Bilbao: Teatro Arriaga (Asamblea)

-Horario: A partir de las 20:00 (Martes 17)

-Hashtag: #acampadabilbao
-Gente twitteando desde allí:

Córdoba: Plaza de las Tendillas
-Horario: 20:00 (Martes 17)
-Hashtag: #acampadacordoba
-Gente twitteando desde allí:

Pamplona: Plaza del Ayuntamiento
-Horario: 20:00 (Martes 17)
-Hashtag:
-Gente twitteando desde allí:

Toledo: Zocodover (Concentración)
-Horario: 20:00 (Martes 17)
-Hashtag:
-Gente twitteando desde allí: @DianitaTj, @Blueinair,

Uviéu/Oviedo: Plaza Escandalera (Sentada)
-Horario: 20:00 (Martes 17)
-Hashtag:
-Gente twitteando desde allí:

Segovia: Plaza del Acueducto (Concentración)
-Horario: 20:00 (Martes 17)
-Hashtag:
-Gente twitteando desde allí:

Ourense: Praza Maior (Sentada)
-Horario: 20:00 (Martes 17)
-Hashtag:
-Gente twitteando desde allí:

Donosti/San Sebastián: En el Ayuntamiento (Quedada)
-Horario: 20:00 (Martes 17)
-Hashtag:
-Gente twitteando desde allí:

Badajoz: Avenida Huelva (Quedada)
-Horario: 20:00 (Martes 17)
-Hashtag:
-Gente twitteando desde allí:

Logroño: Plaza del Mercado
-Horario: 20:00 (Todos los días)
-Hashtag:
-Gente twitteando desde allí:

Valladolid: Plaza Fuente Dorada (Asamblea)
-Horario: 20:30 (Martes 17)
-Hashtag: #asambleavalladolid
-Gente twitteando desde allí: @ladymaje,

Cáceres: Plaza Mayor (Sentada)

-Horario: 20:30 (Martes 17)
-Hashtag: #acampadacaceres
-Gente twitteando desde allí:

Tarragona: Plaça de la Font (Concentración)
-Horario: 20:30 (Martes 17)
-Hashtag:
-Gente twitteando desde allí:

Cartagena: Plaza de los Juncos (Asamblea)
-Horario: 21:00 (Martes 17)
-Hashtag:
-Gente twitteando desde allí:

Cádiz: San Juan de Dios
-Horario: 21:00 (Martes 17)
-Hashtag: #regaloteofila
-Gente twitteando desde allí:

Londres: Embajada de España (39 Chesham Pl, London SW1X 8S)
-Horario: A partir de las 19:00, cada día (a partir del miércoles 18)
-Más información en: http://realdemocracylondon.blogspot.com/

Lleida: Plaza Ricard Vinyes
-Horario A partir de las 20:00 (Miércoles 18)
-Hashtag: #acampadalleida
-Gente twitteando desde allí: @oscarmun,

León: Plaza Botines
-Horario A partir de las 20:00 (Miércoles 18)
-Hashtag: #acampadaleon
-Gente twitteando desde allí:

Jaén: Plaza de la Constitución
-Horario A partir de las 20:00 (Miércoles 18)
-Hashtag: #acampadajaen
-Gente twitteando desde allí:

Soria: Plaza Mayor
-Horario A partir de las 20:00 (Jueves 19)
-Hashtag:
-Gente twitteando desde allí:

DDR

18th May 2011, 00:17

A little blog explaining what's going on for foreigners:

http://spanishrevolutionforoutsiders.blogspot.com/

DDR

18th May 2011, 00:57

The Spaniards in London are organizing a protest tomorrow in front of the Spanish Emabassy:

http://realdemocracylondon.blogspot.com/

London dwelers show your support!

Comrade J

18th May 2011, 01:21

Enjoying your updates DDR, thanks.

Particularly loved the welcome the firefighters got when they joined the protest!:lol: Awesome!

Steve_j

18th May 2011, 01:43

Hey DDR thanks for the info, please keep it comming.

DDR

18th May 2011, 02:19

Sol an hour ago:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/300736872.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1305681974&Signature=e908rUPyMscGAwbaXQ670p48zjk%3D

And right now:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/300753662.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1305682181&Signature=3Fsnt356zAC79XiK7U3N%2Bl06qJY%3D

Picture sof the day in Cordoba:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/javism/sets/72157626745586794/

Pictures of the day in Granada: (The police had just charged as I'm writing)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/javism/sets/72157626621222229/

Little video of Seville in the afternoon:

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And some info and pictures of Barna:

http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/barcelona-protest-camp-acampadabcn/2011/05/17

http://ow.ly/i/bHHZ

I'm going to smoke a fag and if something comes I'll post new info, if not I'm going to bed.

DDR

18th May 2011, 02:37

Last update before going to bed. Pictures of the police charge in Granada:

http://twitpic.com/4z2djp

Tomorrow more and, I hope, better.

DDR

18th May 2011, 02:41

BTW the 19 of the 24 arrested people were these afternoon released with charges (assault and resistance to authority). Some had denounced tortures, more info about it here (spanish):

http://www.kaosenlared.net/noticia/esos-pantalones-maricon-como-vas-encontrar-trabajo

Delenda Carthago

18th May 2011, 14:38

What does CNT, CGT say about the movement?

DDR

18th May 2011, 15:26

What does CNT, CGT say about the movement?

CGT is supportive, CNT hasn't said anything

http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/1054303/0/

Info from the BBC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13437819

There are plant to retake Granada (yesterday was evicted) and the monarchist newspaper ABC (State wide but Seville based) had said that the Seville's Townhall (governt by PSOE e IU) isn't going to allow the protest.

Here is also a video resume from yesterday in Madrid:

http://www.elpais.com/videos/espana/alguien/tiene/intencion/montar/bronca/vuelva/casa/elpepunac/20110518elpepunac_2/Ves/

tracher999

18th May 2011, 15:56

keep going guys!!!!!!!

DDR

18th May 2011, 16:14

Madrid election board had forbiden the concentration today:

http://www.rtve.es/noticias/20110518/junta-electoral-madrid-prohibe-concentracion-convocada-acampada-sol/433323.shtml

The same in Granada:

http://www.ideal.es/granada/20110518/local/granada/junta-electoral-prohibe-acampadagranada-convocada-201105181641.html

El Rojo

18th May 2011, 16:27

interesting how the demos seem to be mostly pacifist. that wont last long if young people start holding spaces and launching daily, or even weekly demos. inevitably the police will attack them and people will start to fight back

still, bloody impressive stuff. !suerte y solidaridad a todos!

DDR

18th May 2011, 16:59

In Malaga is forbiden to stay in the streets groups of more than 10 people!!!

DDR

18th May 2011, 17:47

1 hour and 15 minutes befre the concentration the police beging to block Sol:

http://twitpic.com/4zbja1

http://yfrog.com/gyonzsaj

DDR

18th May 2011, 18:12

The police had begun to identify all the people that goes to Sol and the Government Delegation of Madrid had said that they are going to inforce the prohibition of the concentration by any means posible.

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/68/57/1305738447-c02c229cd26596c7e2dab8ffb7bdd9b6.jpg

Ballyfornia

18th May 2011, 18:20

I'm looking forward to the day this starts happening in Ireland.

DDR

18th May 2011, 18:25

Live stream if someone wants to see how reacts the police at 20:00 gtm+1

http://www.livestream.com/agoranewsdirecto

Little update:

Sol 1945 GTM+1

http://yfrog.com/gz85583833j

syndicat

18th May 2011, 19:04

What does CNT, CGT say about the movement?

both have issued condemnations of the removal by police of the encampment at the Puerto del Sol in Madrid, and have pointed out sympathetically that the protests are against the politicians & the corruption of the system and are protests against the austerity being imposed on people in the present crisis.

robbo203

18th May 2011, 19:08

I attended the Toma la Calle march in Granada - my home city - on Sunday. The local papers put the attendance at about 5000 although I think it was somewhat in excess of that. It was by no means just "Spanish youth" in attendance. Check out the Youtube presentation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkQ4nZHymxo

I found the event quite encouraging nothwithstanding the usual reformist demands being made. The degree of anti-market anti-capitalist sentiment was quite striking

DDR

18th May 2011, 19:15

Sevilla right now:

http://yfrog.com/h7fdpcaj

Valencia:

http://twitpic.com/4zch5a and http://twitpic.com/4zch53

Mather

18th May 2011, 19:19

In Malaga is forbiden to stay in the streets groups of more than 10 people!!!

Are laws like this a leftover from the Fransisco Franco dictatorship?

If they are then surely they can be overturned via the Spanish legal system or through the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR)?

DDR

18th May 2011, 19:29

Streaming from Barna:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/acampadabarcelona

Are laws like this a leftover from the Fransisco Franco dictatorship?

If they are then surely they can be overturned via the Spanish legal system or through the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR)?

No, most of them are new laws, Civic Ordinance Laws (or as we call them Antibotellon Laws). Most of them are municipal, not State wide. They were made in order to stop people from driking in the streets (botellon) but they also put some more represive stuff. For example in Ciudad Real you cannot stop walking in the street, nor run, nor stay near a container, etc.

In Granada have one of the strongest ones, Robbo203 (if he's from Graná) probably can inform you better.

Little Update:

Stream from Bilbao:

http://bambuser.com/channel/Sdandres/broadcast/1666291

Stream from Malaga:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/acampadamalaga

Stream from Seville:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/acampadasevillalive

Last udapte before jumping into another post:

Madrid Right now:

http://yfrog.com/hsmotissj

DDR

18th May 2011, 20:14

The movement had called for a demonstration on Saturday the day before the elections (illegal thing to to in Spain BTW):

http://www.europapress.es/nacional/noticia-acampados-sol-anuncian-manifestacion-jornada-reflexion-20110518210259.html

And as bonus a image of Leon:

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/68/CC/1305746076-48724a38bf202559380a3cd1d649427a.jpg

And Barna:

http://yfrog.com/hseppbhnj

DDR

18th May 2011, 20:19

Some info from the huffington post:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/18/spain-unemployment-protes_n_863603.html#s280368

There sais that it was 1.000 people, the spanish media says between 10.000 and 20.000.

And some solidarity from London:

http://yfrog.com/gzd0lwdtj

DDR

18th May 2011, 20:42

People in Granada protesting even if it is forbiden:

http://twitpic.com/4zdbxf

DDR

18th May 2011, 21:20

Seville right now:

http://twitpic.com/4zdozp

And Pamplona during the day:

http://ow.ly/i/bJQO

And Madrid during the day:

http://www.abc.es/fotos-espana/20110518/acampados-puerta-77396.html

syndicat

18th May 2011, 21:21

article about the Spanish movement here:

http://www.zcommunications.org/spain-s-tahrir-square-by-pablo-ouziel

DDR

18th May 2011, 21:28

In Plaça Catalunya in Barna there's 4.000 people right now. Half an hour ago they made a cacerolada (making noise with pots and pans)

Also a protestor called the National Radio (RNE) because the stupid thing they were saying about the protests.

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Madrid just now (2240 GTM+1)

http://www.mobypicture.com/user/Manuelcuellar/view/9538322

DDR

18th May 2011, 21:49

Some policeme begin to retire from Sol.

A picture of the "Angry Wall"

http://twitpic.com/4ze32m

Sol 2250 GTM+1

http://twitpic.com/4ze3rh

Picture of Logroño during the day:

http://ow.ly/i/bJVa

DDR

18th May 2011, 22:33

Heavy rein right now in Sol, but people continue there. At 0200 GTM+1 there will be a new assembly.

Here a picture of support from London:

http://twitpic.com/4zecyh

And here is a picture of the fascist TV Intereconmia saying that behind all this are commies and socialist:

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llepmuTMbE1qztetno1_500.jpg

Red Future

18th May 2011, 22:47

It may be premature but I feel the days of the 1930s creeping in

DDR

18th May 2011, 22:52

An information bulletin made by the peoples of Barna:

http://twitpic.com/4zeocj and http://twitpic.com/4zeocl/full

And barna right now:

http://yfrog.com/gyjb5cgj

DDR

18th May 2011, 23:09

Some information form the New York Times:

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/18/protesters-rally-in-madrid-despite-ban/?smid=tw-thelede&seid=auto

DDR

18th May 2011, 23:28

One picture more from the "Anger Wall":

http://instagr.am/p/EaVn_/

And a flayer:

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/8F/3A/1305757505-7ac76270301eef6a03dcb669692d38f3.jpg

DDR

19th May 2011, 00:24

Some coverage from CNN

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/05/18/goodman.spain.econ.protests.cnn?hpt=T2

DDR

19th May 2011, 01:04

he assembly in sol for tonite has been cancelled because of the heavy rain:

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/A9/76/1305762647-9d21e354dd6022658fb0cd0b8df0f23e.jpg

http://yfrog.com/h7zhkjhj

And here some pictures from Seville:

http://twitpic.com/4zg0l6

And I think that's all for today, I'll be here again if something happens if not tomorrow I'll continue to feed information.

DDR

19th May 2011, 14:15

The people in Madrid had made a fancine to explain tourist and foreingners about what's going on, link here:

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B2wORDUABNrAOGE2YmNkZGQtZjA4YS00OWIxLTkwMmM tZjdmOTVlODA2ODFk&hl=en&pli=1

And here ans awsome picture of how prices have increades with the Euro and the wages remain the same:

http://yfrog.com/h78e7uxj

And also seems that Italy is organizing similar protest:

http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/1055558/0/italia/revolucion/15m/

DDR

19th May 2011, 17:56

El Pais has decided to post news in English about this issue, little bit of info here:

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/english/Madrid/demonstrators/vow/to/hold/their/ground/elpepueng/20110519elpeng_1/Ten

Picture of the assembly in Sol, righ now:

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/35/FE/1305824238-0ad6b90ff2121d4c58f6762340435677.jpg

DDR

19th May 2011, 18:02

A little map of the camps in Spain:

http://www.targetmap.com/viewer.aspx?reportId=8042

DDR

19th May 2011, 18:43

Live stream from Sol:

http://www.soltv.tv/soltv/index.html

DDR

19th May 2011, 18:57

List of campings arround Spain and Europe:

ESPAÑA
A Coruña: El Obelisco.
Albacete: Pza. del Altozano 20h.
Alicante: Plaza de la Montanyeta, 19 horas.
Almería: Plaza de Juan Casinello – (Plaza del educador) – (Plaza de la leche)
Arrecife (Lanzarote) Jueves a las 20h frente al Cabildo
Badajoz: Avenida de Huelva. 18 de Mayo. 20:00h.
Barcelona: Plaça Catalunya #acampadabcn #catalanrevolution
Benidorm.
Bilbao: http://bilbao.tomalaplaza.net/
Burgos: Plaza Mayor, 20 horas.
Cáceres: Plaza Mayor. 19 de Mayo. 20.00 horas.
Cadiz: Plaza palillero
Cartagena: Plaza de los Juncos, 21 horas.
Castellón: Pza Mª Agustina. http://castellon.tomalaplaza.net #acampadacastellon
Ciudad Real: Plaza Mayor.
Córdoba: Boulevard de Gran Capitán, 20 horas.
Cuenca: Plaza de San Esteban 20:30h.
Donostia-San Sebastián: Kiosko del Boulevard, 20 horas
Écija: Plaza de España.
Elche: Plaça de baix, 20:00.http://elche.tomalaplaza.net
Fuerteventura: Viernes 20 a partir de las 19.00 en la Plaza de la Iglesia de Puerto del Rosario.
Gijón: Plaza del Conceyu, #spanishrevolution #acampadagijon
Girona: Plaça del vi 19 maio 20h
Granada: Plaza del Carmen (Ayuntamiento), 20 horas.
Guadalajara. Plaza del Ayuntamiento.
Huelva: Plaza Antiguo Colombino, 18 horas.
Huesca. Plaza Zaragoza. 19 de mayo, 20:00h.
Jaén: Plaza de la Constitución
Jerez: http://jerez.tomalaplaza.net
Langreo: Plaza del Ayuntamiento, 18 horas.
Las Palmas de Gran Canaria: Plaza de San Telmo.
León: Plaza Botines, 20 horas.http://leon.tomalaplaza.net
Lleida: Plaza Ricard Vinyes, 20 horas.
Logroño (la Rioja): Plaza del Mercado 20h
Lugo. Plaza Mayor. 20h. #acampadaLugo
Lugo. Plaza Mayor. 20h.
Madrid: http://madrid.tomalaplaza.net
Málaga: Plaza de la Constitución, 19 horas.http://malaga.tomalaplaza.net
Mataró: plaça Santa Ana. 19 y 20 de mayo. 20:00h.
Mérida. Plaza de España. 20:30h.
Mieres: Plaza del Ayuntamiento, 18 horas.
Murcia: La Glorieta, 20 horas.
Ourense: Praza Maior, 20 horas.
Oviedo: Plaza de la Escandalera #acampadaoviedo
Palencia: Plaza Mayor 20h
Palma de Mallorca: Plaza de España, 18 horas.
Pamplona: Plaza del Ayuntamiento, 20 horas.
Ponteareas.
Pontevedra: Plaza de la Peregrina. 20:00h.
Salamanca: Plaza de la Constitución, 24 horas.
Santa Cruz de Tenerife: Plaza de la Candelaria, 20 horas.
Santander: Plaza Porticada, 20 horas.
Santiago de Compostela: Plaza del Obradoiro, 19 horas.
Santiago: Plaza del Obradoiro
Segovia: Plaza del Acueducto, 20 horas.
Sevilla. Plaza de Metrosol. Encarnación. #acampadasevilla
Soria: Plaza Mayor, 20 horas. http://soria.tomalaplaza.net
Talavera de la Reina. Plaza del pan. Viernes 20 mayo. 19h.
Tarragona: Plaça de la font. @acampadatgn, #acampadatgn
Tenerife.
Terrassa. #acampadaTRS
Toledo: Zocodover, 20 horas. http://toledo.tomalaplaza.net/
Valencia:http://valencia.tomalaplaza.net/#acampadavalencia #acampadavlc
Valladolid: Plaza de Fuente Dorada. #acampadavalladolid #asambleavalladolid #fuentedorada
Vigo:Plaza Ribadavia (La Farola) #acampadavigo
Zamora: Plaza del gobierno. 19 de mayo. 14h http://zamora.tomalaplaza.net/
Zaragoza: Plaza del Pilar. FB acampadazgz, @acampadazgz, http://acampadazgz.blogspot.com

INTERNACIONAL
Bruxelles. Viernes 20. Frente a la embajada española. 18.30h.
Berlín. Tiergarten: Frente a la embajada Española. 15:30 h
Birmingham: Victoria Square Viernes, 20 de Mayo. 12:00h AM
Bogotá: frente a la embajada de España (Carrera 92 # 12). Viernes a las 13:00
Brighton.
Buenos Aires. Plaza Mayo. 19 de Mayo. 17:30h.
Bristol. UK. Center City. 22 mayo. 17h.
Edinburgh (UK): 19 de Mayo. 15:00h y 20:00h
Florencia (IT): Piazza Santa Croce.19 de Mayo. 20:00h.
London (UK): Frente a la embajada de España.18 de Mayo.
Mexico DF: Frente a la embajada de España. 12h.
Padova-Italy; Prato della Valle 20/05 18h
París. (FR): Embajada de España. jueves, 19 de mayo · 20:00 – 23:00
Piazza Castello, Turín, Italy Viernes, 20 de mayo de 2011 20:00h.
Viena. Domingo, 22 de mayo · 12:00 – 12:30

Thirsty Crow

19th May 2011, 19:01

I'm sorry for being so lazy (tons of links!), but is there an e-mail address to which a union could send some text of (honest) support?

DDR

19th May 2011, 19:07

In Granada, the police are fining people for caping infront of the Townhall.

The Central Electoral Board has been for 3 hour deciding if this camps are illegal or not, still deciding.

DDR

19th May 2011, 19:08

I'm sorry for being so lazy (tons of links!), but is there an e-mail address to which a union could send some text of (honest) support?

This is the web page from the movement, democraciarealya.es but it doesnt work properly, patience :D

Picture of Seville right now:

http://yfrog.com/h7f3hqvj

DDR

19th May 2011, 19:28

Picture of London:

http://yfrog.com/gz5qknij

Picture of Sevilla: arround 1000 people

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/16/A2/1305828774-79f1f804e9c6375b80a48d74fb1468e9.jpg

and this one: http://twitpic.com/4zr781

Valencia: Arround 1500 people

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/22/0A/1305828515-1d95109b5d58a1330180fc70c2e56419.jpg

In Valencia soon the Platform for a Public Education and the Municipal Transport Co. is going to join the protest.

Barna:

http://twitpic.com/4zr5vg

Paris:

http://yfrog.com/hsi8kvfj

Zaragoza:

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/90/02/1305829931-6e6542547fa28d040c65270df3c1d44c.jpg

DDR

19th May 2011, 19:41

Solidarity from Berlin:

http://twitpic.com/4zr4cb

Huesca:

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/E8/D9/1305830504-8a71286022414822c13561e27a66a63e.jpg

Sevilla:

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/06/66/1305830624-1bd877e707a9c022af836ef598027453.jpg

Valencia:

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/58/A9/1305830826-e86b534ac48d23e6c7b0b994e3735f9a.jpg

Cáceres:

http://twitpic.com/4zrgnm

Vigo:

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/B9/59/1305832771-20aa7d5a4436f329cbd307076d41bbed.jpg

Salamanca:

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/60/F3/1305832975-ce7d50f4c8d6f9a343aa601ec5a2097a.jpg

Girona:

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/88/00/1305833132-72b33e4682854f10da2bc14885ce0d55.jpg

DDR

19th May 2011, 20:34

Banner in Madrid:

http://s01.s3c.es/imag/_v2/ecodiario/espana/pancarta.jpg

No, nos representan (they don't represent us)

Valencia:

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/42/7E/1305834091-fb4639bd0f450c62c4a2f6b877b84007.jpg

Santander:

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/62/F1/1305833873-48b2b945a1dcada78d4f7230b65be5f2.jpg

Buitraker

19th May 2011, 20:46

We need your support!!
Go to international demos

This is a fucking dream
In all city they are making free assembly
Everybody can express himself
FS1yL_TorhA

Buitraker

19th May 2011, 20:47

Gracias ddr

Bilbao
Assembly at 20:00
http://resizer.elcorreo.com/resizer/resizer.php?imagen=/deliverty/demo/resources/jpg/1/5/1305830790951.jpg&nuevoancho=950&nuevoalto=570&copyright=conCopyright&encrypt=false

DDR

19th May 2011, 21:29

Gracias ddr

De nada tío, que aquí estamos para informar, que estando a tomar por culo de casa contar lo que sucede es lo minimo que puedo hacer. Por cierto, ¿Podrias ocuparte este fin de semana de ir posteando información por aquí? Es que de mañana al martes voy a andar practicamente sin ordenador.

Paris:

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/F3/61/1305836590-51b91c8e8b07bb7dba95dd32a55cc059.jpg

Palma:

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/EC/68/1305836435-052ecbda9b3e54ca9309f1c66d85b45d.jpg

Vitoria:

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/6C/FF/1305835998-bae1c6c242d78b09c7a5765e7dd56be8.jpg

Granada:

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/FA/82/1305835830-1608e6145241d8afa033d3fc2bb33352.jpg

Lisabon:

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/A1/B3/1305835726-5879760f830906805b7bffb4445f9f27.jpg

Seville:

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/0F/D1/1305835439-c7facd5cbed34a68ccfa0291735ddc60.jpg

Oviedo:

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/91/CB/1305834879-b37d25bebace1bd177725183b9c57fa5.jpg

London:

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/BD/55/1305834680-15ae3311ac7c333e666abed752ce42b3.jpg

Valencia: 8000 people!!!

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/05/F9/1305836694-42a5681cf73c6001c51a58160692e215.jpg

DDR

19th May 2011, 21:50

A member of the Popular Party (neo-franquist), Federico Trillo (former defense minister and head of the congrees) saying hello to the protestors in Torrelvieja:

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/3B/BB/1305837393-df11cea90885ba41c94624dcc27683d0.jpg

He have his other hand in the shoulder of Francisco Camps, member of the same party and President de la Generalitat Valencià. Camps is in a corruption lawsuit at this moment, and he's the candidate once again to the Presidencia de la Generalitat Valencià

DDR

19th May 2011, 22:00

Support from Amsterdam

http://yfrog.com/gy8k0qij

DDR

19th May 2011, 22:44

The Central Election Board had declared illegal the demo called for Saturday.

http://eskup.elpais.com/1305841314-709881c3d782e6eca1088260673a68b2

DDR

19th May 2011, 23:24

More info from the NY Times and also from the Spanish press about the prohibition of the demos and campings:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/20/world/europe/20iht-spain20.html?_r=1

http://www.publico.es/espana/377270/la-junta-electoral-central-prohibe-las-protestas-del-fin-de-semana-elecciones2011

DDR

20th May 2011, 00:23

If the protest cotinues from 0000 hours gtm +1 on Saturday to 2400 gtm +1 hours the people may get fined with 1000€:

http://www.publico.es/espana/377303/multas-de-hasta-1-000-euros-para-quienes-incumplan-la-orden-de-la-junta-electoral-elecciones2011

Right now all the assemblyes are deciding what to do.

El Rojo

20th May 2011, 01:07

!que bien ese mobimiento!

ive been watching the live feeds and net media so much the last few days, its fucking awesome to see the spaniards taking a stand, viva la revolucion espanola!

Its interesting to see how it has developed compared to other european uprisings, as its demands are more long sighted than the british student movement, it may well bring about more long term large occupations.

its also interesting to notice the "non-political" platform that has been adopted, as well as (of course) pacifism. Although i read in one newspaper (i cant remember for sourcing :() that there have been fights with the police in the outlaying areas of madrid. not to be a cynic but i also reckon that by the time that this is over there will have been confrontations with the state. if the police are there, then they tend to make a riot.

DDR

20th May 2011, 01:25

Yes of course it will be fighting with the state, especially tomorrow night if the prohibition is inforced. But we will see.

Well I'm going to bed, from tomorrow 'till Tuesday I won't be that much on the computer so if someone (Buitraker, no me falles!!! :P) can feed info it will be more than apreciated. Still if something big comes and here's no info i'll post it sooner or latter. Anyhow I leave you with a wink to the greeks in Sol:

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/DA/72/1305850843-fa2c5b41d00460efeafb5bae85339855.jpg

Buitraker

20th May 2011, 13:37

De nada tío, que aquí estamos para informar, que estando a tomar por culo de casa contar lo que sucede es lo minimo que puedo hacer. Por cierto, ¿Podrias ocuparte este fin de semana de ir posteando información por aquí? Es que de mañana al martes voy a andar practicamente sin ordenador.
Tranqui

Yo tambien marcho a acampar, pero cuando pase por casa matendre esto vivo

Delenda Carthago

20th May 2011, 15:48

Hoipolloi Cassidy

20th May 2011, 15:51

ESPAÑA
A Coruña : El Obelisco.

Albacete : Pza. del Altozano 20h.
Alicante : Plaza de la Montanyeta, 19 horas.
Almería : Plaza de Juan Casinello – (Plaza del educador) – (Plaza de la leche)
Arrecife (Lanzarote) Jueves a las 20h frente al Cabildo
Badajoz : Avenida de Huelva. 18 de Mayo. 20:00h.
Barcelona : Plaça Catalunya #acampadabcn #catalanrevolution
Benidorm.
Bilbao : http://bilbao.tomalaplaza.net/

Burgos : Plaza Mayor, 20 horas.
Cáceres : Plaza Mayor. 19 de Mayo. 23.30 horas.
Cadiz : Plaza palillero
Cartagena : Plaza de los Juncos, 21 horas.
Castellón : Pza Mª Agustina. #acampadacastellón
Ciudad Real : Plaza Mayor.
Córdoba : Boulevard de Gran Capitán, 20 horas.
Cuenca : Plaza de San Esteban 20:30h.
Donostia-San Sebastián : Kiosko del Boulevard, 20 horas

Écija : Plaza de España.
Elche : Plaça de baix, 20:00
Gijón : Plaza del Conceyu, #spanishrevolution #acampadagijon
Girona : Plaça del vi 19 maio 20h
Granada : Plaza del Carmen (Ayuntamiento), 20 horas.
Guadalajara. Plaza del Ayuntamiento.
Huelva : Plaza Antiguo Colombino, 18 horas.
Huesca. Plaza Zaragoza. 19 de mayo, 20:00h.
Jerez : http://jerez.tomalaplaza.net

Langreo : Plaza del Ayuntamiento, 18 horas.
Las Palmas de Gran Canaria : Plaza de San Telmo.
León : Plaza Botines, 20 horas.http://leon.tomalaplaza.net
Lleida : Plaza Ricard Vinyes, 20 horas.
Logroño (la Rioja) : Plaza del Mercado 20h
Lugo. Plaza Mayor. 20h. #acampadaLugo
Lugo. Plaza Mayor. 20h.
Madrid : http://madrid.tomalaplaza.net

Málaga : Plaza de la Constitución, 19 horas.http://malaga.tomalaplaza.net
Mataró : plaça Santa Ana. 19 y 20 de mayo. 20:00h.
Mérida. Plaza de España. 20:30h.
Mieres : Plaza del Ayuntamiento, 18 horas.
Murcia : La Glorieta, 20 horas.
Ourense : Praza Maior, 20 horas.
Oviedo : Plaza de la Escandalera #acampadaoviedo
Palencia : Plaza Mayor 20h

Palma de Mallorca : Plaza de España, 18 horas.
Pamplona : Plaza del Ayuntamiento, 20 horas.
Ponteareas.
Pontevedra : Plaza de la Peregrina. 20:00h.
Salamanca : Plaza de la Constitución, 24 horas.
Santa Cruz de Tenerife : Plaza de la Candelaria, 20 horas.
Santander : Plaza Porticada, 20 horas.
Santiago de Compostela : Plaza del Obradoiro, 19 horas.
Santiago : Plaza del Obradoiro

Segovia : Plaza del Acueducto, 20 horas.
Sevilla. Plaza de Metrosol. Encarnación. #acampadasevilla
Soria : Plaza Mayor, 20 horas.
Talavera de la Reina. Plaza del pan. Viernes 20 mayo. 19h.
Tarragona : Plaça de la font. @acampadatgn, #acampadatgn
Tenerife.
Terrassa. #acampadaTRS
Toledo : Zocodover, 20 horas. http://toledo.tomalaplaza.net/

Valencia :http://valencia.tomalaplaza.net/#acampadavalencia #acampadavlc
Valladolid : Plaza de Fuente Dorada. #acampadavalladolid #asambleavalladolid #fuentedorada
Vigo:Plaza Ribadavia (La Farola) #acampadavigo
Zamora : Plaza del gobierno. 19 de mayo. 14h http://zamora.tomalaplaza.net/
Zaragoza : Plaza del Pilar. FB acampadazgz, @acampadazgz, http://acampadazgz.blogspot.com

INTERNACIONAL
Hamburgo : Mittelweg, 37 sábado 21 de mayo 12:00pm

Bruxelles. Viernes 20. Frente a la embajada española. 18.30h.
Berlín. Tiergarten : Frente a la embajada Española. 15:30 h
Birmingham : Victoria Square Viernes, 20 de Mayo. 12:00h AM
Bogotá : frente a la embajada de España (Carrera 92 # 12). Viernes a las 13:00
Brighton (Inglaterra) Churchill Square Viernes a las 19h
Burdeos, Francia : puerta del consulado viernes 20 de mayo 20h
Buenos Aires. Plaza Mayo. 19 de Mayo. 17:30h.
Bristol. UK. Center City. 22 mayo. 17h.
Düsseldorf (AL) : Burgplatz de Düsseldorf (cerca del Altes Rathaus, a orillas del Rhein) sábado 21 de mayo 12:00

Edinburgh (UK) : 19 de Mayo. 15:00h y 20:00h
Estambul : consulado de España viernes 20 a las 16 horas
Estocolmo : frente a la embajada de España viernes 20 de mayo 12h00 y plaza Sergelstorg 20 de mayo a las 16h
Florencia (IT) : Piazza Santa Croce.19 de Mayo. 20:00h.
Frankfurt am Main : el sábado 21 – a las 12.00 horas
London (UK) : Frente a la embajada de España. viernes 20 de mayo 16h00
Mexico DF : Frente a la embajada de España. 12h.
Managua (Nicaragua) : Frente a la embajada de España viernes 20 de mayo 13h (hora local)
Montevideo : Frente a la embajada de España viernes 20 de mayo a las 18h

Padova-Italy ; Prato della Valle 20/05 18h
París. (FR) : Embajada de España. jueves, 19 de mayo · 20:00 – 23:00
Praga (CH) : Plaza de San Wencesloa. viernes 20 de mayo 20h00
Piazza Castello, Turín, Italy Viernes, 20 de mayo de 2011 20:00h.
Porto, Potugal : acampada en la praça da Batalha viernes 20 de mayo
Phnom Penh, Camboya : Sabado 21 a las 12:00, Embassy of Spain, Garden Mansion, Number 23 Street 47, Phnom Penh
Rabat : Embajada de España viernes a las 13.00 hora local
Rumania : Piata Uniri. Viernes 21 desde las 19:00 h
Sao Paulo (Brasil) : Consulado espanhol viernes 20 a las 17h

Trondheim (Noruega) : plaza Torget viernes 20 de mayo a las 20.00
Varsovia : sentada en la puerta de la embajada de España, viernes 20.05.2011 a las 17:00
Viena. Domingo, 22 de mayo · 12:00 – 12:30

Google map:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=202125555654973993412.0004a38b127e0f38e551b&ll=10.670588,-41.409424&spn=90,115.566487

robbo203

21st May 2011, 00:23

My partner went along to our local protest in Granada this evening. A good turnout by all accounts with a procession of speakers addressing the crowd (but only one party political speaker).

Interestingly, the discussion turned to the idea of a society without money which was apparently well received among those attending. No doubt, this is an idea that might well strike a chord with some Spanish workers, given the experiences of the anarchist collectives before and during the civil war, some of which did away with money altogether and instituted limited free access. In the present situation what might have pushed the idea to the fore is the intense dislike of the banks.

I wondered if there are any reports of something similar happening elsewhere. From a revolutionary socialist perspective it could possibly signify a potentially fruitful development...

Buitraker

21st May 2011, 11:30

People speak about a lot of ideas, but to keep together all people this movement defend 3 important ideas:
1- Stop politicals favors
2-New electoral law
3-More participatory democracy system

If you want, i can explain you why this ideas

Kotze

21st May 2011, 11:48

Buitraker, that's very interesting. Are there already some specific proposals?

Buitraker

21st May 2011, 11:59

Well

This midnight all camps of spain was ilegall by electoral commite, in Spain the day before election its call reflection day.
Any party can make campaing or meetings(but you can see poster anywhere trying to buy your vote), so electoral commite thinks this camps have influence it people vote because we make political campaing when call to responsible vote
FUCK THEM

This is Madrid today at 00:00
jvN-j6Wd8pA

They cant do anything, the police is with us :laugh:
When watch was at 00:00 people start screaming to police for police unite to this protest

Today in all of city the start a spontaneous groups of people making reflection about this election whitout any political message or poster
They cant move, we stay here forever

Buitraker

21st May 2011, 12:26

Buitraker, that's very interesting. Are there already some specific proposals?
New electoral law:
We demand open list, in spain partys list of members who present are closed, so when you vote to any party you vote that party, no a person
We demand open list like in USA to vote a people and not partys

More participatory democracy system:
More referendums like in Sweden where people can vote to most important decision.
People assambly in all city and villages to make a real democracy!

Stop with politicals favors:
Sotp with this shit
I post some things about spanish politicals

-In Spain we dont have any organization who control how many political they charge from state

-We have public retirement pension, the citizen have retirement pesion top at 32000€(45000$) per year, nobody charge that, the normal its the middle of that, but this is the top for citizen.
The minimun political retirement pesion is 74.000€(104671$)per year

-Spanish poltical can make any trip, they have 5 milion euros for they trips, all pays by citizens

-Congress presidente have 6000€(8494$) per month to make gifts LOL

-The president of the most little state of Spain(La Rioja) make 870.162km(540693 milles).
This kilomiters are enought to across 3 time Spain from east to west :laugh:

-Spanish senator have 1.7€(2.41$)milions per year to make calls, like call to Cuba, erotics line, download games for mobiles and important thinks like this

I can continue...

Buitraker

21st May 2011, 12:29

Sorry for my english

But if you want, i can post more things about spanish politicals

Kotze

21st May 2011, 13:07

We demand open list, in spain partys list of members who present are closed, so when you vote to any party you vote that party, no a person
We demand open list like in USA to vote a people and not partys:confused: Do you mean an electoral system that doesn't assume at all that candidates run as part of a group or do you mean something like ley de lemas (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doble_voto_simult%C3%A1neo)?

Buitraker

21st May 2011, 15:12

:confused: Do you mean an electoral system that doesn't assume at all that candidates run as part of a group or do you mean something like ley de lemas (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doble_voto_simult%C3%A1neo)?
Something like free list

Hoipolloi Cassidy

21st May 2011, 20:26

New electoral law:
We demand open list, in spain partys list of members who present are closed, so when you vote to any party you vote that party, no a person
We demand open list like in USA to vote a people and not partys

I believe in Spain (as in a number of European countries) you do not get to vote for an individual candidate, only for a party, and the "elected" representatives are chosen in descending order from the list submitted by the party, in proportion to the number of votes received.

Dimmu

22nd May 2011, 10:04

Nice!! So pathetic that nothing of this is reported here in Finland..

Buitraker

22nd May 2011, 11:32

I believe in Spain (as in a number of European countries) you do not get to vote for an individual candidate, only for a party, and the "elected" representatives are chosen in descending order from the list submitted by the party, in proportion to the number of votes received.
Thats right

Nice!! So pathetic that nothing of this is reported here in Finland..
Really?

Make you notice for us by facebook and shits like that xD

Cork Socialist

22nd May 2011, 12:03

I havent heard a lot of it from the Irish media either, just bits here and there.

Great to see the people of spain out on the streets though

Communist MDMA parties

22nd May 2011, 14:44

The elections are today, I wonder if the movement will keep its momentum going after this...
I also heard that there were non-violent direct actions aimed at the banks, does anyone have more information?
edit: http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2011/sol220511.html
It seems that in Madrid the decision was made to continue the occupation of the square and start spreading the model of citizen's assemblies to other neighbourhoods. Great news! I wonder how long the government will stick with its strategy of trying to ignore the protestors.

Buitraker

22nd May 2011, 18:27

I havent heard a lot of it from the Irish media either, just bits here and there.

Great to see the people of spain out on the streets though
Thanks

We remember your fight at financial minister

The elections are today, I wonder if the movement will keep its momentum going after this...
I also heard that there were non-violent direct actions aimed at the banks, does anyone have more information?
edit: http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2011/sol220511.html
It seems that in Madrid the decision was made to continue the occupation of the square and start spreading the model of citizen's assemblies to other neighbourhoods. Great news! I wonder how long the government will stick with its strategy of trying to ignore the protestors.
At 8 oclock close all electoral schools, so start again free assamblys to speak about how continue fight.

Sasha

22nd May 2011, 21:08

solidarity demo in amsterdam today pulled over 500 people (mostly spanish expats but also dutchies) some raw video footage here: http://www.at5.nl/artikelen/62711/veel-steun-aan-demonstranten-in-madrid
every evening at 8 people meet on the central dam square to show support and discuss solidarity actions in an open assembly.

edit: some pics: http://www.at5.nl/gespot/62697/demo-tegen-jeugdwerkloosheid

Buitraker

22nd May 2011, 21:51

Buitraker

22nd May 2011, 22:10

All assamblys of country take the decision to continue with camp!
FIGHT DONT STOP

Madrid
http://estaticos02.cache.el-mundo.net/elmundo/imagenes/2011/05/22/espana/1306061709_2.jpg

Sasha

22nd May 2011, 23:20

some more vids from amsterdam:

here You can see the videos from saturday demo:
http://www.indymedia.nl/images/extlink.gif http://ourmediaindymedia.blogspot.com/2011/05/1200-demonstratie-spaans-consulaat_22.html
and from frday:
http://www.indymedia.nl/images/extlink.gif http://ourmediaindymedia.blogspot.com/2011/05/spanishrevolution-at-dam.html

Delenda Carthago

22nd May 2011, 23:55

2 points:

A. In the elections there was a typical partisipation from the people(67%) and the Right wing party took over with 10% difference. What happened with this?

which leads me to my next question

B. There are many voices that seriously critisise that movement about its lack of politic and class orientation. That dont think that workers and bourgeois can demonstrate together since their interests are not the same. We havent see a political analysis by the comrades here about the situation. Whats up with that?

LewisQ

23rd May 2011, 00:15

Video from yesterday's solidarity protests in Ireland.

Dublin
LmZCi8p64Wc

Galway
U3l_j7nWtIE

The interesting thing about this movement is that it's neither completely defensive (like the Greek actions) nor something that has an obvious end-point (like the French protests, and the Arab Spring to a certain extent.) I'm very impressed with the initiative of the Spanish youth. I think they're the first to grasp, in a collective sense, the true nature of the neoliberal assault on the peoples of Europe.

Mather

23rd May 2011, 05:36

New electoral law:
We demand open list, in spain partys list of members who present are closed, so when you vote to any party you vote that party, no a person
We demand open list like in USA to vote a people and not partys

More participatory democracy system:
More referendums like in Sweden where people can vote to most important decision.
People assambly in all city and villages to make a real democracy!

Stop with politicals favors:
Sotp with this shit
I post some things about spanish politicals

-In Spain we dont have any organization who control how many political they charge from state

-We have public retirement pension, the citizen have retirement pesion top at 32000€(45000$) per year, nobody charge that, the normal its the middle of that, but this is the top for citizen.
The minimun political retirement pesion is 74.000€(104671$)per year

-Spanish poltical can make any trip, they have 5 milion euros for they trips, all pays by citizens

-Congress presidente have 6000€(8494$) per month to make gifts LOL

-The president of the most little state of Spain(La Rioja) make 870.162km(540693 milles).
This kilomiters are enought to across 3 time Spain from east to west :laugh:

-Spanish senator have 1.7€(2.41$)milions per year to make calls, like call to Cuba, erotics line, download games for mobiles and important thinks like this

I can continue...

B. There are many voices that seriously critisise that movement about its lack of politic and class orientation. That dont think that workers and bourgeois can demonstrate together since their interests are not the same. We havent see a political analysis by the comrades here about the situation. Whats up with that?

It seems, judging from their demands, that the politics of these protests is one of a general sense of disgust and discontent with 'mainstream' politics and anger at the political class.

Do these protests have any economic demands?

Do the protestors discuss class issues and social justice?

Triple A

23rd May 2011, 20:39

It spread to Portugal. Now 200 people, and growing (some stations report 500) are occuping Rossio in central Lisbon.
On public assembly it was decided to camp till 5th June when elections take place.

http://www.ionline.pt/adjuntos/102/imagenes/000/369/0000369970.jpg

Buitraker

23rd May 2011, 20:55

2 points:

A. In the elections there was a typical partisipation from the people(67%) and the Right wing party took over with 10% difference. What happened with this?
We have a bipartidist system, like USA or UK
If democrats dont wont, republycan do

which leads me to my next question

B. There are many voices that seriously critisise that movement about its lack of politic and class orientation. That dont think that workers and bourgeois can demonstrate together since their interests are not the same. We havent see a political analysis by the comrades here about the situation. Whats up with that?
This movement dont have any political orientation, only 3 important demands
In free assamblys anyone can speak and say what think

Video from yesterday's solidarity protests in Ireland.

Dublin
LmZCi8p64Wc

Galway
U3l_j7nWtIE

The interesting thing about this movement is that it's neither completely defensive (like the Greek actions) nor something that has an obvious end-point (like the French protests, and the Arab Spring to a certain extent.) I'm very impressed with the initiative of the Spanish youth. I think they're the first to grasp, in a collective sense, the true nature of the neoliberal assault on the peoples of Europe.
WOW
Thanks for your support

In my opinion im not very convinced about movement.
We camp since last week, we make assamblys, we make propositions but anything change
Political dont care about us, i think this a trial of strength

It seems, judging from their demands, that the politics of these protests is one of a general sense of disgust and discontent with 'mainstream' politics and anger at the political class.

Do these protests have any economic demands?

Do the protestors discuss class issues and social justice?
People make anticapitalista demands at assamblys but the most economic demands its cut politicals priviligies

About class issues of course, against politicals and rich but the public enemy are politicals
About social justice its an one of the important demands, we demand a social and indepent justice for society

Cork Socialist

23rd May 2011, 21:01

Question for the Comrade that posted videos of Irish Solidarity demos, How have turnouts to that been and do you know how many of them are springing up around the country ?

LewisQ

23rd May 2011, 21:30

Question for the Comrade that posted videos of Irish Solidarity demos, How have turnouts to that been and do you know how many of them are springing up around the country ?
There were about 1,000 in Dublin and a few hundred in Galway. They're not rolling demonstrations, it was Saturday only. I guess you'd have heard if there were any in Cork, none that I'm aware of.

I understand there are plans to reconvene this Saturday, although Socialist Youth has scheduled a meeting in Dublin about the Spanish movement for the exact time it would probably take place, so maybe some crossed wires!

Buitraker

23rd May 2011, 21:51

Tomorrow i hope post new notice about decision of assamblys after electoral day

But i repeat, its very difficult speak about movement decisions. In free assamblys they are a lot of groups speaking about their ideas(femnist,liberal,commies,anarchist,socialist, conservatives,workers,pensioners)
Camp movement start with only 3 demands and one phrase for protester:
-Reform electoral law and make a more democratyc system
-Independt and social justice
-Stop political priviliges

And we are:
Neither left, nor right
only down people against top

LuÃs Henrique

23rd May 2011, 22:42

New electoral law:
We demand open list, in spain partys list of members who present are closed, so when you vote to any party you vote that party, no a person
We demand open list like in USA to vote a people and not partys

Awful petty-bourgeois stupidity. People should vote for ideas - which in practice means parties - not for personalities.

More participatory democracy system:
More referendums like in Sweden where people can vote to most important decision.

Referendums are appeals to disorganisation and common-sence.

People assambly in all city and villages to make a real democracy!

Well, yes. But how do you have people assembling if they have to work on their jobs most of their time?

Stop with politicals favors:

Good. How?

Sotp with this shit

Political intestinal obstruction?

I post some things about spanish politicals

-In Spain we dont have any organization who control how many political they charge from state

What does this mean?

-We have public retirement pension, the citizen have retirement pesion top at 32000€(45000$) per year, nobody charge that, the normal its the middle of that, but this is the top for citizen.
The minimun political retirement pesion is 74.000€(104671$)per year

Well, I suppose the wages for political positions are higher than the wages for other jobs, aren't they? And I refuse to believe that a member of the Santander Bank board retires with 32,000 euros per year...

-Spanish poltical can make any trip, they have 5 milion euros for they trips, all pays by citizens

So? Politicians are going to be paid by the State, and the State is going to be funded by taxes paid by citizens. Political travels can be, you know, important, even necessary.

Evidently there must be some abuse, and certainly there isn't too much supervision of the politicians' trips. But compare this to the insane amount of profits made by capitalist companies!

-Congress presidente have 6000€(8494$) per month to make gifts LOL

Same as above. That's not how people are exploited.

-The president of the most little state of Spain(La Rioja) make 870.162km(540693 milles).
This kilomiters are enought to across 3 time Spain from east to west :laugh:

Hm. If he travels 870,000 kilometers, then this amounts to about 22 times circling the whole planet. If he travels 870 kilometers, which I guess is the correct figure, this means something little longer that one trip to Madrid and back (335 km via A2 and N11 x 2 = 670 km).

I would expect the governor of a province to make a trip to the national capital once and again...

-Spanish senator have 1.7€(2.41$)milions per year to make calls, like call to Cuba, erotics line, download games for mobiles and important thinks like this

Do you mean each Senator? Or is this the figure for the whole Senate?

The Spanish Senate comprises 263 Senators. This would mean about 9,000 dollars a year per Senator, or 763 dollars per month. Now, I pay about 150 dollars a month for phone services, and I certainly don't use, or need to use, a phone as much as a professional politician.

*************

Frankly, such line disappoints me a lot. "Anti-politics" blind to capitalist exploitation. I would have expected more from this movement. I hope it is able to take new, and much more radical stances in the future; if it remains tied to such petty bourgeois expectations, it won't last long...

Luís Henrique

Hoipolloi Cassidy

23rd May 2011, 23:01

do you know how many of them are springing up around the country ?

Last I heard people had started to gather in Lisbon's main square in anticipation of Portuguese elections on June 5.

Cork Socialist

23rd May 2011, 23:06

There were about 1,000 in Dublin and a few hundred in Galway. They're not rolling demonstrations, it was Saturday only. I guess you'd have heard if there were any in Cork, none that I'm aware of.

I understand there are plans to reconvene this Saturday, although Socialist Youth has scheduled a meeting in Dublin about the Spanish movement for the exact time it would probably take place, so maybe some crossed wires!

I think my brother said there was one in cork actually not sure about numbers though. Thats great numbers in Dublin. Member of the Socialist party ya ? me too.

Kotze

24th May 2011, 01:17

Independent justice sounds good at first, but what is meant by it? I hope it doesn't refer to shifting power to judges, but to juries drawn from the general population.

Another question: Is there much talk about getting out of the €?
People should vote for ideas:thumbup1:
which in practice means partiesEeeh. Voting for parties instead of people tends to steer conversations somewhat towards issues, but surely referenda do this even more.
Evidently there must be some abuse, and certainly there isn't too much supervision of the politicians' trips. But compare this to the insane amount of profits made by capitalist companies!I agree that getting rid of big income for top politicians hardly makes a difference regarding how much there is to go around, given what a small fraction of the population we are talking about. It is however relevant for keeping their perspective more in line with that of normal people.

LuÃs Henrique

24th May 2011, 18:15

Eeeh. Voting for parties instead of people tends to steer conversations somewhat towards issues, but surely referenda do this even more.

Ah, perhaps. But then the question is, who decides what are the issues?

I agree that getting rid of big income for top politicians hardly makes a difference regarding how much there is to go around, given what a small fraction of the population we are talking about. It is however relevant for keeping their perspective more in line with that of normal people."Normal people" are subjected to strict dictatorship during all day, with no right to vote either on issues or people who rule them. It is called private property. "Democraciareal" without kicking down the doors of private companies and demanding democracy in the workplace is no "realdemocracy" at all!

Luís Henrique

LuÃs Henrique

24th May 2011, 22:56

LewisQ

24th May 2011, 23:08

I think my brother said there was one in cork actually not sure about numbers though. Thats great numbers in Dublin. Member of the Socialist party ya ? me too.
Nah, not in the SP. Will join the ULA if I can get my hands on a form, though!

The manifesto of the Portuguese Rossio Square occupiers is a lot more substantial, radical and left-oriented than the rather vague Spanish version IMO (though of course, it's a far smaller movement.)

http://roarmag.org/2011/05/manifesto-rossio-square-lisbon-portuguese-revolution/

DDR

26th May 2011, 01:29

Well, I'm back with little bit of ifo about Spain, the elections and the Democracia Real Ya! movement.

As for the campings:

The assemblies had decided to stay at least till next sunday, then they will vote if the cotinue or not. Also the are traying to get camps, at least in Madrid, in the neighbourhoods. They're tarying to coordinate more with all the campings, and tomorrow have called for a cacerolada against the pensionazo (cuts in the retirement paychecks) at 1900 gtm+1 in Madrid.

As for the elections

The conservatives, PP, won the municipal and autonómicas (like the States in the USA or Die Länder for the Germans). The PSOE have lost every feud, only made "good results" in 3 main "cities", Toledo, Soria and Cuenca, and if the pact with IU they will maybe make it in Segovia. The PP have every autonomia except for Navarra (the only good thing about this election is that Bildu is the second political force in Hego Euskal Herria) and, if IU pacts with the PSOE, Extremadura. Things are really looking that they will also win the presidetial elections next Year.

As for the protest arround Europa:

The portuguese and greeks are also taking the squares in Lisbon and Athens. I have not that much info about the Portuguese, but in Greece seems that there's something like 7.000 people in Syntagma. Let's se how it evolves.

Delenda Carthago

26th May 2011, 17:23

http://athens.indymedia.org/front.php3?lang=el&article_id=1295118

Many more than 7.000. Also in 3 other towns(1295124 (http://athens.indymedia.org/admin3/edit.php?id=1295124) is from Thesaloniki)

But I m not sure if its for the better or worse. To much apolitical I m afraid it will became misleading.

Sasha

27th May 2011, 11:53

barcalona police kicked, battoned, and shot with rubberbullets the last people from the square there
Geg_6Xoy04s

lets hope that the outrage rekindles the fire...

DDR

27th May 2011, 15:21

IN Barna Plaça Catalunya have been evicted by the police, 2 detained, 121 injuried. Right now it has been retaken and also the Avenida de la Diagonal has been cutted by the protestors.

The goverment of Madrid is also asking the central government to evict Sol like they have done in Barna.

Stranger Than Paradise

28th May 2011, 00:50

Below, a webpage with the actual demands of the movement. They are much more interesting and radical than those posted here.

http://www.democraciarealya.es/?page_id=234

Does not include the silly idea of voting for people instead of parties; much on the contrary, it stands for a "truly representative and proportional system".

Its other demands concerning the "political class" are much less antipolitical than stated before.

Includes demands against unemployment, against homelessness, for better public services, for the control of banks, for a tax reform, etc.

Much more working class and less petty-bourgeois than it was described here...

Luís Henrique

1. ELIMINATION OF THE PRIVILEGES OF THE POLITICAL CLASS:

Strict control of absenteeism in their respective elected positions. Specific penalties for dereliction of duties.
Removal of privileges in paying taxes, the years of contribution and the amount of pensions. Equalization of wages of the average wage elected Spanish more dietary needs necessary for the exercise of their functions.
Elimination of charge associated immunity. Applicability of the crimes of corruption.
Mandatory disclosure of assets of all public offices.
Reduction of charges may be appointed.

2. AGAINST UNEMPLOYMENT:

Encouraging job sharing and reduced working hours labor conciliation to end the structural unemployment (ie, until unemployment falls below 5%).
Retirement at 65 and any increase in retirement age to eliminate youth unemployment.
Subsidies for companies with less than 10% of temporary contracts.
Job security: the impossibility of collective dismissals for objective reasons in large companies while there are benefits to big business controls to ensure that temporary workers are not covered with jobs that could be fixed.
Restoration of the grant of 426 € for all long-term unemployed.

3. RIGHT TO HOUSING:

Expropriation by the state of housing stock built in that have not been sold for placement on the market for rent protected.
Rent subsidies for young people and all those poor people.
To allow payment in kind to cancel housing mortgages.

4. QUALITY PUBLIC SERVICES:

Deleting unnecessary costs on government and establishment of independent monitoring of budgets and expenditures.
Recruitment of health personnel to eliminate waiting lists.
Recruitment of teachers to ensure the ratio of students per classroom, groups of unfolding and support groups.
Reducing the cost of tuition at any university education, matching the price of the grade graduate.
Public funding of research to ensure its independence.
Cheap public transport, quality and environmentally sustainable restoration of trains are being replaced by the AVE with the original prices, cheaper bus passes, restricting private car traffic in city centers, construction of bicycle lanes.
Local social resources: effective implementation of the Law Unit, municipal local carers networks, local mediation services and mentoring.

5. CONTROL OF BANKS:

Prohibition of any kind of bailout or capital injection to banks: those companies in difficulty should fail or be nationalized to form a public bank under social control.
Tax increases to the bench in direct proportion to social spending caused by the crisis caused by mismanagement.
Return to public coffers by banks all provided public capital.
Ban on investment of Spanish banks in tax havens.
Regulation of sanctions on speculation and banking malpractice.

6. TAXATION:

Increase the tax rate on large fortunes and banks.
Elimination of the fund.
Tax refund Heritage.
Real and effective control of tax evasion and capital flight to tax havens.
International promotion of the adoption of a tax on international transactions (Tobin tax).

7. Liberties and Participatory Democracy:

Not control the Internet. Sinde Abolition Act.
Protection of freedom of information and investigative journalism.
Referendums mandatory and binding on the wide-ranging issues that change the lives of citizens.
Mandatory referendums for any introduction of measures taken by the European Union.
Amendment of Electoral Act to ensure a truly representative system that does not discriminate and proportional to any political or social will, where the white vote and vote no also have representation in the legislature.
Independence of the judiciary, reform of the Prosecution Office to ensure their independence, the appointment of members of the Constitutional Court and the Supreme Judicial Council by the Executive.
Establishment of effective mechanisms to ensure internal democracy in political parties.

8. REDUCING MILITARY SPENDING

This is a decent english translation.

PDXCommunist

28th May 2011, 20:37

Thank you so much to DDR, Buitraker, and all others for your coverage of this event.

Viva 15M!

Triple A

28th May 2011, 21:20

barcalona police kicked, battoned, and shot with rubberbullets the last people from the square there
Geg_6Xoy04s

lets hope that the outrage rekindles the fire...

I guess spain will have a no fly zone, now.
Then NATO will bomb it.

PDXCommunist

30th May 2011, 17:42

Is there any update on the situation? I just read this article (Link (http://networkedblogs.com/ivaEC)) and it sounds like the protest has dissolved.

robbo203

30th May 2011, 18:03

Is there any update on the situation? I just read this article (Link (http://networkedblogs.com/ivaEC)) and it sounds like the protest has dissolved.

No, the protests are set to continue into June..

My concern is with the direction the movement is taking and I say this as one who participated in the 15 May demonstrations in Spain. The reformist nature of the movement is evident in the manifesto and in particular in the economic demands being made which, capitalism being capitalism, is simply not going to be able to accommodate. What happens then?

This is not to deny that there are are some good things that have come out of this whole movement. Above all, the fact that it is a bottom up movement which has given many people a taste of self organisation. Also it has spurred on a process of thinking about new ideas. Here in Granada, for example, they even discussed the idea of a society without money!(communism/socialism in other wordfs)

Thats great but can the momentum be sustained? I dont think so, long term, and much of this must be put down to the reformist nature of the movement. It will either be coopted or eventually fold

Aurora

30th May 2011, 19:33

The reformist nature of the movement is evident in the manifesto and in particular in the economic demands being made which, capitalism being capitalism, is simply not going to be able to accommodate. What happens then?
Surely it's better that the protesters make demands of capitalism that it can't achieve rather than ones which it can, that way it gives the possibility of the protesters consciousness moving beyond capitalism.
Do you have a link to that manifesto?

Buitraker

31st May 2011, 17:18

Surely it's better that the protesters make demands of capitalism that it can't achieve rather than ones which it can, that way it gives the possibility of the protesters consciousness moving beyond capitalism.
Do you have a link to that manifesto?
You speak about this manifesto?

1. ELIMINATION OF THE PRIVILEGES OF THE POLITICAL CLASS:

Strict control of absenteeism in their respective elected positions. Specific penalties for dereliction of duties.
Removal of privileges in paying taxes, the years of contribution and the amount of pensions. Equalization of wages of the average wage elected Spanish more dietary needs necessary for the exercise of their functions.
Elimination of charge associated immunity. Applicability of the crimes of corruption.
Mandatory disclosure of assets of all public offices.
Reduction of charges may be appointed.

2. AGAINST UNEMPLOYMENT:

Encouraging job sharing and reduced working hours labor conciliation to end the structural unemployment (ie, until unemployment falls below 5%).
Retirement at 65 and any increase in retirement age to eliminate youth unemployment.
Subsidies for companies with less than 10% of temporary contracts.
Job security: the impossibility of collective dismissals for objective reasons in large companies while there are benefits to big business controls to ensure that temporary workers are not covered with jobs that could be fixed.
Restoration of the grant of 426 € for all long-term unemployed.

3. RIGHT TO HOUSING:

Expropriation by the state of housing stock built in that have not been sold for placement on the market for rent protected.
Rent subsidies for young people and all those poor people.
To allow payment in kind to cancel housing mortgages.

4. QUALITY PUBLIC SERVICES:

Deleting unnecessary costs on government and establishment of independent monitoring of budgets and expenditures.
Recruitment of health personnel to eliminate waiting lists.
Recruitment of teachers to ensure the ratio of students per classroom, groups of unfolding and support groups.
Reducing the cost of tuition at any university education, matching the price of the grade graduate.
Public funding of research to ensure its independence.
Cheap public transport, quality and environmentally sustainable restoration of trains are being replaced by the AVE with the original prices, cheaper bus passes, restricting private car traffic in city centers, construction of bicycle lanes.
Local social resources: effective implementation of the Law Unit, municipal local carers networks, local mediation services and mentoring.

5. CONTROL OF BANKS:

Prohibition of any kind of bailout or capital injection to banks: those companies in difficulty should fail or be nationalized to form a public bank under social control.
Tax increases to the bench in direct proportion to social spending caused by the crisis caused by mismanagement.
Return to public coffers by banks all provided public capital.
Ban on investment of Spanish banks in tax havens.
Regulation of sanctions on speculation and banking malpractice.

6. TAXATION:

Increase the tax rate on large fortunes and banks.
Elimination of the fund.
Tax refund Heritage.
Real and effective control of tax evasion and capital flight to tax havens.
International promotion of the adoption of a tax on international transactions (Tobin tax).

7. Liberties and Participatory Democracy:

Not control the Internet. Sinde Abolition Act.
Protection of freedom of information and investigative journalism.
Referendums mandatory and binding on the wide-ranging issues that change the lives of citizens.
Mandatory referendums for any introduction of measures taken by the European Union.
Amendment of Electoral Act to ensure a truly representative system that does not discriminate and proportional to any political or social will, where the white vote and vote no also have representation in the legislature.
Independence of the judiciary, reform of the Prosecution Office to ensure their independence, the appointment of members of the Constitutional Court and the Supreme Judicial Council by the Executive.
Establishment of effective mechanisms to ensure internal democracy in political parties.

8. REDUCING MILITARY SPENDING

Rocky Rococo

1st June 2011, 07:59

There is an interesting piece by some Madrid anarchists who have been participating, originally posted at alasbarricadas (which seems to be down), at least a portion of which has been translated at libcom:

Anarchists and the 15-M Movement: Reflections and Proposals (http://libcom.org/forums/news/spain-beyond-15-may-demonstrations-14052011?page=5)

I find it some really healthy writing, positive and constructive criticism/self-criticism, and I think addresses some of the questions people have been raising in this thread. Of course I'd love to hear other Spanish comrades responses to this piece!

Buitraker

1st June 2011, 16:35

Delenda Carthago

3rd June 2011, 15:00

Are people using their ideologies in the movement in Spain? Because in Greece, this shit is fucked. Everything has been hidden behind the "no politics-no ideologies- no parties- everyone is equaly faulted" bs that is clipping the nuts of the movement.

Buitraker

4th June 2011, 11:11

Delenda Carthago

5th June 2011, 18:53

Here its like in Greece

In my opinion i prefer like now, if people start to make groups...

gb_qHP7VaZE
yeah...

cause beeing afraid to claim communist or anarchist is SO revolutionary.

Delenda Carthago

6th June 2011, 18:44

KKE m-l tryed to give away leaflets to the gathering. They were attacked by some scums who defended the whole ideology of "no ideologies" and "they are all equal faulted". Neo liberal dictatorship right in frond of us. Fuck "Real Democracy".

thÃ¤lmann

6th June 2011, 20:16

Buitraker

7th June 2011, 07:46

the bourgois media know why they support this unpolitical movement right know in this situation in europe. but on the other side its wrong to stay away from this.
so the approach from kke ml is right, but i think in such circumstance it is better to act in a different way to reach the masses. and of course to defend themselves. but this whole unpolitical thing is dangerous.
I agree with you

In spain we have that problem, only protest the shame groups but now we are getting move all society against 3 questions
As time passed this is not the solution, but now its the better we can do

robbo203

7th June 2011, 08:22

You speak about this manifesto?

1. ELIMINATION OF THE PRIVILEGES OF THE POLITICAL CLASS:

Strict control of absenteeism in their respective elected positions. Specific penalties for dereliction of duties.
Removal of privileges in paying taxes, the years of contribution and the amount of pensions. Equalization of wages of the average wage elected Spanish more dietary needs necessary for the exercise of their functions.
Elimination of charge associated immunity. Applicability of the crimes of corruption.
Mandatory disclosure of assets of all public offices.
Reduction of charges may be appointed.

2. AGAINST UNEMPLOYMENT:

Encouraging job sharing and reduced working hours labor conciliation to end the structural unemployment (ie, until unemployment falls below 5%).
Retirement at 65 and any increase in retirement age to eliminate youth unemployment.
Subsidies for companies with less than 10% of temporary contracts.
Job security: the impossibility of collective dismissals for objective reasons in large companies while there are benefits to big business controls to ensure that temporary workers are not covered with jobs that could be fixed.
Restoration of the grant of 426 € for all long-term unemployed.

3. RIGHT TO HOUSING:

Expropriation by the state of housing stock built in that have not been sold for placement on the market for rent protected.
Rent subsidies for young people and all those poor people.
To allow payment in kind to cancel housing mortgages.

4. QUALITY PUBLIC SERVICES:

Deleting unnecessary costs on government and establishment of independent monitoring of budgets and expenditures.
Recruitment of health personnel to eliminate waiting lists.
Recruitment of teachers to ensure the ratio of students per classroom, groups of unfolding and support groups.
Reducing the cost of tuition at any university education, matching the price of the grade graduate.
Public funding of research to ensure its independence.
Cheap public transport, quality and environmentally sustainable restoration of trains are being replaced by the AVE with the original prices, cheaper bus passes, restricting private car traffic in city centers, construction of bicycle lanes.
Local social resources: effective implementation of the Law Unit, municipal local carers networks, local mediation services and mentoring.

5. CONTROL OF BANKS:

Prohibition of any kind of bailout or capital injection to banks: those companies in difficulty should fail or be nationalized to form a public bank under social control.
Tax increases to the bench in direct proportion to social spending caused by the crisis caused by mismanagement.
Return to public coffers by banks all provided public capital.
Ban on investment of Spanish banks in tax havens.
Regulation of sanctions on speculation and banking malpractice.

6. TAXATION:

Increase the tax rate on large fortunes and banks.
Elimination of the fund.
Tax refund Heritage.
Real and effective control of tax evasion and capital flight to tax havens.
International promotion of the adoption of a tax on international transactions (Tobin tax).

7. Liberties and Participatory Democracy:

Not control the Internet. Sinde Abolition Act.
Protection of freedom of information and investigative journalism.
Referendums mandatory and binding on the wide-ranging issues that change the lives of citizens.
Mandatory referendums for any introduction of measures taken by the European Union.
Amendment of Electoral Act to ensure a truly representative system that does not discriminate and proportional to any political or social will, where the white vote and vote no also have representation in the legislature.
Independence of the judiciary, reform of the Prosecution Office to ensure their independence, the appointment of members of the Constitutional Court and the Supreme Judicial Council by the Executive.
Establishment of effective mechanisms to ensure internal democracy in political parties.

8. REDUCING MILITARY SPENDING

This is precisely - and unfortunately - what makes the Movement for Real Democracy a reformist movement and not a revolutionary movement. Capitalism - generalised commodity production for the market - is assumed or taken for granted - not questioned or transcended.

We can only hope that some within the movement will begin to see the inherent limitations of the movement itself and start to come to a revolutionary perspective

Buitraker

8th June 2011, 21:04

The protester move to congress, general assambly of square its off to move all the people to congress
http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2011/06/08/espana/1307554493.html

Here you have a live streaming
http://www.livestream.com/spanishrevolutionsol

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Buitraker

9th June 2011, 12:38

Breaking news! lol

Riot police attack protest of Valencia state congress
One girl was arrested and they a lot of people injure

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Red Phalanx

9th June 2011, 18:17

Ouch!

Mather

20th June 2011, 20:00

Any more news about the protests? Any new updates?

t.shonku

20th June 2011, 20:07

Well done Spanish friends !

Greetings from far East!

Greetings from an Asian Comrade !

We are with you !

Take back what rightfully belongs to you.

Originally posted by Buitraker (http://www.revleft.com/vb/member.php?u=30025)

Breaking news! lol

Riot police attack protest of Valencia state congress
One girl was arrested and they a lot of people injure

http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/2C/95/1307618036-bbe2d7908925b10571b81ab39d3f67f0.jpg
http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/73/FC/1307617477-bcf56c56b869f0e87fb2cf9248ae48b2.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/317546225.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1307619793&Signature=lZCWt%2FIT9kLTm2ZjOxP86RjDcqI%3D
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It seems that Franco style repressions still exists in Spain, thanks for the pics, and for bringing out the truth, please post more pics, let every one know.

Dimmu

23rd June 2011, 14:39

Spain's Tahrir Square keeps up its struggle
Madrid's re-staging of Tahrir Square's protest encampment mirrors Spain's radical movements of the 1930s.
Danny Schechter Last Modified: 22 Jun 2011 12:52

Spain is justly proud of the paella, a distinctive dish that mixes diverse vegetables or seafood into a tasty fusion of delectability.

They have now created a political version in the form of Tahrir Square-esque encampment in Madrid's Puerta del Sol where a diverse mix of activists - old, young, male, female, disabled, immigrant - even activists from the Western Sahara - have created a beachhead for what many say is the closest this country has come to a popular and distinctive revolutionary movement since the 1930s.

Its been a month now since Real Democracy Now, a grass roots "platform," as it called, began a march that initially only attracted a relative handful of activists. By the time it reached the shopping district at Puerta del Sol, it had swelled to more than 25,000, surprising its organisers, participants - and politicians from both major parties.

This march turned into a movement only when many of its supporters decided to stay in the Puerta del Sol square, no doubt inspired by events in Egypt. In Cairo, the vast multitudes agreed on one demand - Mubarak must go - even its causes were only later traced to a collapsing economy and mass joblessness among the young. Likewise in Madrid, the story of the protesters was driven by social media and echoed in live TV broadcasts.

Protests were now underway elsewhere in Spain.

The movement, which became known as #spanishrevolution after the Twitter hashtag used to spread news, pictures and footage of the revolt, began with the online call for a May 15 protest to demand "Real Democracy Now!" The marchers were dubbed "indignados" ["The Indignant"].

Activist Pablo Quiziel articulated the feeling: "Amid local and regional election campaigns, with the banners of the different political parties plastered across the country's streets, people are saying 'enough'. Disillusioned youth, unemployed, pensioners, students, immigrants and other disenfranchised groups have emulated their brothers in the Arab world and are now demanding a voice - demanding an opportunity to live with dignity."

In Spain, the activists said they were expressing "indignation" with their country's economy and the parasitic nature of its two main political parties - the Socialists (PSOE) and the Center Right People's Party (PP) - both of which carried on business as usual in a predictable dance of mutual bashing amid few new ideas while markets melted down. The protesters also denounced corruption demanding fair housing, jobs, and a more responsive government.

Self government

They moved beyond electoral politics, creating a liberated village with tents and makeshift structures. They had no leaders and didn't want any. They practiced a form of consensus-backed small democratic decision-making. It reminded me of what I read of utopian communities in which "the people" run the show. Soon, the spirit of what they were doing and asking for resonated in more than 160 cities and towns.

I got there a month after what is known as the May 15 movement started, and almost by accident. On my way to South Africa, I flew the Spanish carrier Iberia only to discover I would have a 12 hour layover. Since I was going through Madrid, my revolutionary tourism gene mandated me to hop on the marvellous Madrid Metro, and three changes later surface face-to-face with the revolution - even if the weather seemed well over 90 degrees.

Yes, there was plenty of sol on hand. Some of the activists, such as Liam from Ireland, were slathered with suntan lotion because of the afternoon rays. "We are all fried," he told me.

Although many in the media have already written this movement's obituary, it seems to keep chugging along, almost amoeba-like, decentralising, going deeper by organising popular assemblies in neighbourhoods throughout the city. They have several committees working on a program for what they will fight for. Many are common sense ideas.

While Sol still functions as their public base, they already deemphasised its importance by spreading out, almost block by block.

On the day I was there, a small contingent left the square to prevent an eviction - and were successful after confronting a landlord and the local bank. They exercise an enormous amount of moral authority as they talk about issues in personal ways, free of political rhetoric and bombast. They politicise by example, not by throwing slogans around, acting in a post partisan manner.

This approach seems to make sense to many who see their society in crisis, with politicians blaming each other. In contrast, the May 15 movement encourages citizens to voice their grievances and act on their own behalf.

They tend to think like anarchists and talk in terms of self-management as a principle of political economy.

They are very clear about not wanting to replace one conventional hierarchal party with another. They are nervous about grooming or projecting leaders - even as one activist told me that rule by consensus can be excruciatingly slow and subject to obstructionist tactics by a few who can hold the majority hostage.

DIY politics

"We have had people praise us for standing up," Liam told me. "We tell them not to put their faith in us either but to get involved in the process of change. We can't do it for them."

The local press that seems ready to pronounce it a failure, even as it documents the free fall of the local economy. There is now a newspaper called Diagonal reporting on their every activity, while activists use social media and post blogs online.

A local newspaper sampled public opinion. They found many voters estranged from and disillusioned with their party - and many, across the spectrum, sympathetic to the idealism and energy behind the actions of the protesters. Their very presence seems to be politicising people - if only by discussing the alternative to tradition that they represent

Many were open to the new movement's style and interactive discourse. An activist named Bernarda told me: "Democracy is really bad here. There are two parties but no one really likes either one."

Says Juan: "I think it's very interesting that people from different social classes and different groups are joining together."

His friend Cesar agrees:"Everyone's hoping this will not be disappear - because it is the spark of change." Juan adds: "I am really proud of all of us."

My language skills limited my access to Spanish speakers but I did talk with David Marty, a lawyer by training, a teacher by necessity and a writer by choice. He sees the movement spreading all across Europe.

"We need a new approach," he says, singing the praises of the May 15 bottom-up, participatory approach.

What I found significant is that he was not a man of the left. Both his father and grandfather were policemen. His dad won his spurs as a member of the French CRS unity fighting protesters during May June 1968 when Paris was a battleground, Now, his son writes for Z Magazine and contributes ideas for what changes the movement should ask for.

Like many around him, he is a staunch critic of neo-liberalism, a policy that both major parties embrace.

As we sat in the square as its distinctive clock tower struck six, I Iistened to more speculation laced with hope. No one can predict this movement's future with any certainty, but its active core seems to agree that it has already done more than they ever imagined.

Writes Quziel: "Spain is finally re-embracing its radical past, its popular movements, its anarcho-syndicalist traditions and its republican dreams. Crushed by Generalissimo Francisco Franco seventy years ago, it seemed that Spanish popular culture would never recover from the void left by a rightwing dictatorship, which exterminated anyone with a dissenting voice; but the 15th of May 2011, is the reminder to those in power that Spanish direct democracy is still alive and has finally awaken."

That is the hope at least, that I saw in the Plaza of the Sun.

Danny Schechter blogs for NewsDissector.com. Comments to [email protected]

The views expressed in this article are the author's own and no not necessarily represent Al Jazeera's editorial policy.

http://aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/06/20116199328337907.html

homo sapien

23rd June 2011, 20:47

dangerous? It's completely batshit insane. You're occupying public squares to demand change from the government, and you want to call it "unpolitical?" I don't even understand this thinking process... what they are doing is the definition of a political act.... if they can't engage their brains with the process enough to figure out what they actually want and how to get it (otherwise known as "ideology"), then they are just wasting their time. Absolutely absurd.

Zombie Jesus

24th June 2011, 00:00

Unfortunately, the general public has been schooled to think of "politics" as being the domain of politicians, and so they don't see what they are doings as being political. The problem is that this leaves this kind of movement diffuse and directionless, and ultimately pointless. This why the government is happy to use violent repression, as without a clear direction, this movement isn't really a threat. People need to understand that whenever they take a stand like this, it an inherently political act, and, as such, they need to have a clear goal in mind. If this was the case, it would be more likely to cause concern to the government (not that it would stop them using violence, but they might have more concern as focused anger is a greater threat). Sadly, as I said before, the public's understanding of what is political is very narrow, and it is in general something they feel an unreasoning distaste for.

ckaihatsu

24th June 2011, 15:44

The fight against Papandreou’s austerity programme calls for the building of a powerful workers’ party with a thought-out, international and socialist perspective and an experienced leadership. Only the overthrow of the current regime, the establishment of a workers’ government and the extension of this struggle throughout Europe can prevent a social catastrophe. But the “Indignants” vehemently reject such a perspective.

http://wsws.org/articles/2011/jun2011/gree-j24.shtml

chegitz guevara

24th June 2011, 16:17

They have to learn! Stop hating on them for not knowing what you know.

ckaihatsu

24th June 2011, 16:48

They have to learn! Stop hating on them for not knowing what you know.

Hey, there's no need to imply that I'm emotionalizing any of this -- besides, it would be naive to think that they are wholly unexposed to this particular political critique (of the need to be explicitly political in favor of a mass workers' socialism).

I'm *not* in any way being ultra-left by putting forth this position.

Buitraker

24th June 2011, 23:23

homo sapien

26th June 2011, 22:49

Random thought: Do you think people get the idea that politics is a stodgy, boring and irrevelant thing that the leaders do because they associate "politics" with the stodgy, boring and irrelevent history/politics/social studies classes they were forced to take in K-12 schooling?

ckaihatsu

12th July 2011, 01:22

[labor_action] Big process of mobilization in SPAIN

Big process of mobilization in Spain

By La Verdad Obrera
Thursday, May 19, 2011

We are interviewing Santiago Lupe, a leader of Clase contra Clase, of the Spanish state:

Good evening. I am speaking to you from the Plaza Cataluña of Barcelona, renamed this very night, because of the massive assembly of more than 5,000 people, as Plaza Tahir, in tribute to the square that was the epicenter of the Egyptian Revolution, with the shout of "The revolution starts here!" Today, the Central Electoral Board threatened to repress all the camps, especially the one in Madrid, where the movement is even more massive, and that caused even more people to go to the squares.

LVO: Santiago, tell us how this whole movement began.

Well, the Spanish state is one of the countries that is experiencing the international economic crisis most severely, and, up to now, both the working class, and the young people had hardly responded at all to the attacks they are suffering. However, unrest at the effects of the crisis and at the austerity measures that the government has been imposing, had been growing. This unrest had been expressed precisely in demonstrations like that on April 7 in Madrid, that brought together 5,000 young people, in the struggle against the cuts in healthcare in Catalonia, the demonstrations by the alternative unions on May Day, etc. All this was "warming up the motors," that emerged this Sunday, May 15, with a day of demonstrations in more than 60 cities in the whole country, that were truly massive. It was a day that was called through the social networks, and that brought together tens of thousands, especially of young people, but also workers. The two biggest demonstrations were those in Barcelona, with around 15,000 people and the one in Madrid, with some 25,000. It is a movement that expresses, above all, a condemnation of the situation of unemployment of masses of people, of evictions of thousands of families, of a lack of prospects for an entire generation of young people, those of us whom the IMF itself calls the "lost generation." At the same time, all the austerity measures are being condemned, like the labor reform, raising the age at which workers can retire, elimination of collective negotiations, that they are agreeing on right now, between the government and the union bureaucracy, and still others, that will come later, like cuts in healthcare and education, that they are trying out in Catalonia. The movement also expresses a very deep criticism, a denunciation, of the political regime, of the currently existing democracy. There is weariness and constant criticism of the institutions, the parties of the regime.

LVO: How did the subject of the sit-ins, the method of struggle with camps, emerge?

Look, the epicenter of the protest is in Madrid, which had the precedent of the April 7 demonstration and where the mobilization was much more massive. The government implemented a policy of selective repression, not repressing all the protests, but really trying to repress the one that was the head of the movement, that in Madrid. When the mobilization ended, the cops charged at the demonstrators, beating people and making 23 arrests. It was as a result of this repression that the youths who had made the march, decided to gather at the Puerta del Sol, mainly to demand the release of the comrades. This was between Sunday night and Monday. Early Monday morning, the cops again attacked and cleared out the camp, arresting another comrade. Against this new repression, this type of actions is beginning to spread to many other cities. The first of them is Barcelona, where the same Monday night, the camp appeared, at the same time that, in Madrid, the youths again occupied the Puerta del Sol, more than 2,000 young people, and set the camp up again. On Tuesday, we can say that the movement made a leap again, because the camps spread to more than ten cities, and, above all, both in the Madrid and Barcelona camps, there was massive growth, with the Madrid camp holding more than 10,000 people.

LVO: And what are the main characteristics of the movement?

In the movement, above all, spontaneity predominates. The people who are participating in the camps, and who participated in the demonstrations, especially young people, are giving free rein to an unrest that until now had not been expressed in the form of protests, because of the paralyzing effect that such an economic crisis has, and because of the union bureaucracies' criminal policy of social peace that they maintain with the government. Especially beginning from today, Wednesday, when the mobilizations again made a leap, the movement has been extending itself to many other groups. It is beginning to connect with groups, for instance, from the student movement or the movement of workers who are fighting against cuts in healthcare in Catalonia, against the layoffs in many enterprises, in defense of their collective contracts, like the bus drivers in Zaragoza. That is, these young people have begun to converge with these groups that were in struggle before May 15. So, what has now happened is that the process has grown massively: the assemblies have doubled and tripled, and, likewise, some groups of workers that were already in struggle, have begun to make their way to the camp, to show their solidarity with the young people, and to try to converge. As examples I can mention to you, the Zaragoza bus drivers, who had a march today for their contract and ended that demonstration at the camp, or here in Barcelona, workers of Alstom, a train factory, who are facing the dismissal of 40% of the staff and came here to the camp this morning; female health care workers who also showed up today, or the firefighters (who are civilians, not cops), who are also in struggle for their contract and came here.

LVO: What perspectives can be imagined of as a result of this situation?

In the first place, the movement is on the rise; it is likely that the very success that the assemblies have now had regarding attendance and converging with other groups, is probably going to cause the next assemblies to be even larger. All the forecasts indicate that, in this sense, we are far from having reached the maximum. But, in perspective, we have to say that this inrush of youth is going to have an effect on the groups that have been mobilizing and, in fact, we are already seeing that. They are creating a more favorable climate for the possible emergence of a real radicalization and extension of the struggles currently going on. The need for these camps to act as a center of resistance and coordination of all the existing struggles is even beginning to be expressed in the assemblies. Probably the inrush of young people on May 15 could signify a turning point, between a stage in which the crisis was striking very hard, but no type of response was taking place, and a different stage in which the government is going to continue imposing very harsh plans, but it is going to have to confront growing resistance by workers and young people. We can say that the social peace, in which the government was working with the union bureaucracy for all these months, is beginning to have a serious opponent and beginning to see a real possibility of failing.