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redhotpoker
16th May 2011, 13:43
Beginning of the end of the provisional government?



At least 353 people were injured, one of them critically, when Egyptian security forces attacked a pro-Palestine demonstration outside the Israeli embassy in Cairo on Sunday night, according to witnesses and the Health Ministry.

Activists told Al Jazeera that army and internal security troops used tear gas, rubber-coated bullets and live ammunition to disperse thousands of protesters who had gathered to mark the 63rd anniversary of the "Nakba" or "catastrophe" - the day in 1948 that Israel declared its independence and thousands of Palestinians fled or were expelled form their homes.

Israel's embassy in Cairo was the first the country established in the Arab world; the only other is in Jordan.

At least two protesters were shot by live ammunition, while others were hospitalised after inhaling tear gas or being hit by rubber-coated steel bullets, some of which penetrated the skin, witnesses said.

The AP news agency, quoting witnesses, said three people had been killed by gunfire and one shot in the leg, but that report could not be corroborated.

One protester, Atef Yehya, was shot in the head and remained in critical condition on Monday morning, while another, Ali Khalaf, was shot in the abdomen and believed to be stable, witnesses said. As many as 60 people were arrested.

Military and security forces near the embassy briefly stopped and questioned an Al Jazeera television crew and confiscated the team's camera, according to Rawya Rageh, our correspondent in Cairo. The officers destroyed a videotape and took some of the crew's personal items, including notebooks and a camera, she said.

Surge toward building prompts shooting

The violence began at around 11pm after a group of protesters surged toward the front of the multi-story office building that contains the Israeli embassy and managed to push aside some of the barriers that had been erected in front of the ground-floor entrance, witnesses said.

Members of the Central Security Forces responded with a heavy volley of tear gas, driving the protesters back with support from military troops on the scene. Witnesses said the army forces - a mix of regular soldiers and military police - first fired in the air to disperse the protesters but then aimed at the crowd.

Protesters responded by burning tires in the street and throwing stones.

"The army was running after us, shooting rubber bullets," said Sanaa Seif, an activist who attended the protest. "I kept on hearing gunfire from everywhere, and someone told me that there was gunfire from the Central Security Forces ... I wasn't sure if it was rubber or live, people were saying rubber."


Activist Sanaa Seif shot this video of protester Ali Khalaf, who was reportedly shot in the abdomen
In the chaos, a friend of Seif's, Youssef Bagato, was shot by a rubber-coated bullet that lodged in his back.

Another protester had fainted nearby, and Seif and her friends helped him into the entrance of a building to recover. There they found Khalaf, suffering from a bullet wound below his stomach.

The group moved Khalaf inside a nearby shop to hide him from security forces but were forced to leave by the owner, who feared they would be found. They moved to a main street and put Khalaf into a cab with his friends to be taken to a hospital.

Yehya, the protester who was shot in the head, was taken to Kasr al-Aini Hospital in central Cairo for treatment, according to Mona Seif, another activist and Sanaa's sister. He too had been hit during the initial retreat from the security forces.

The bullet penetrated Yehya's frontal lobe, said Seif, who was in contact with two of Yehya's friends.

Unclear fate for detainees

Street clashes continued for several hours after security forces first dispersed the crowd. At around 4am, Central Security Force and army troops closed in on the remaining protesters and arrested dozens.

Mohamed Effat, a freelance journalist who was chronicling the protest on Twitter, wrote that the security forces approached from one side and fired tear gas, driving the demonstrators into army troops coming from the other side.

"They pointed their guns at us, forced us to lie on our stomachs, fired heavily into air, cussing at and hitting us. An officer told me whoever looked up would be smacked on the neck," he wrote. "Last thing was that they took our phones and IDs, queuing us to put in [Central Security] cars while yelling 'Have fun in military prison rev[olutionary] youth'."

Effat was the only one among those arrested to be released, he said. Others were reportedly taken to an internal security facility in Giza. They included Tarek Shalaby and Mosaab Elshamy, two activists who became well known on Twitter during the revolution.

Shalaby apparently had been using the mobile phone livestreaming service Bambuser during his arrest and left some video and audio of the incident posted online.

He had returned to Cairo at around 3am on Monday morning after an unsuccessful attempt to join a "Nakba Day" protest at the Rafah border crossing between Egypt and the Gaza Strip.

The army managed to shut down that demonstration, erecting several checkpoints along the road toward Rafah and preventing bus companies from ferrying protesters from Cairo.

There were conflicting reports about whether the embassy protesters would face military or civil justice. In the wake of the revolution that unseated President Hosni Mubarak and replaced him with the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, thousands of Egyptians - including at least hundreds of demonstrators - have been forced into military trials that activists describe as lacking due process.

Army troops at the scene told protesters that those arrested would be taken to a military prosecutor's office, Effat wrote.

But Seif, who has organised a campaign against military justice in the wake of the revolution, said protesters had been taken to the internal security directorate in Giza and that it appeared they would not be referred to a military court.

Elshamy was being held inside a Central Security Force truck at the security directorate, his brother Abdullah wrote on Twitter after receiving a phone call from him.

Obs
16th May 2011, 14:15
"Hey, does anyone remember what happened when the last government started shooting protesters?"
"Meh."

Sword and Shield
16th May 2011, 17:34
"Hey, does anyone remember what happened when the last government started shooting protesters?"
"Meh."

What happened? The military pulled a coup and took power. The military is in power now so the same thing can't happen this time...

Os Cangaceiros
16th May 2011, 19:12
I doubt that it's the end of the provisional government. This is just another incident in a litany of actions involving the military attacking protestors.

Protests continue to happen & continue to be attacked in Tunisia, too.

KurtFF8
16th May 2011, 20:00
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/05/20115165445325517.html link to source (I suggest people always link and credit what they copy and paste on forums)

Proukunin
16th May 2011, 20:25
If things get too repressive, there should definitely be nothing other than revolution. Many people from Egypt are talking more and more about revolutionary socialism than before.

RedSonRising
17th May 2011, 02:12
What happened? The military pulled a coup and took power. The military is in power now so the same thing can't happen this time...

They took power AFTER nearly the entire populous began making demands and mobilizing for social change. I think they are capable of repeating the process, this time with much less patience for false pretenses of institutional and social change. If there is another government backlash, I hope and believe the leftist coalitions will form the forefront, along with the muslim brotherhood.

(A)(_|
17th May 2011, 04:11
If things get too repressive, there should definitely be nothing other than revolution. Many people from Egypt are talking more and more about revolutionary socialism than before.

Nah, man. You're a bit too optimistic. The only ones talking about revolutionary socialism are the Same guys who were talking about it before the revolution: Revolutionary socialists. Of course, now leftists have a big opportunity to fill the void left by the islamists and the liberals who are basically offering nothing on the ground. There isn't an impending social revolution though :)

Concerning what happened. There's news that a 15 year old was shot dead, and two protesters are critically injured. One of them is having an operation today. More than 300 injuries, and 186 arrests who are facing military trials, while Mubarak and his main henchmen face civilian trials. Surour, the guy who president of parliament during mubarak's rule, and the longest standing politician in the former regime was released today on charges of illegal profiting with a 100,000 pound bailout!!

The problem we have now is that the military council has basically poisoned the minds of all Egyptians. While you would think these events would warrant discontent, most Egyptians are rallying behind the army as the force of stability. People are even justifying murder and the use of live ammunition for their sacred stability. Coupled of course with the economic strangulation of capitalism (Egypt is basically living of its foreign reserves now) more people are dissatisfied with the revolution than ever, unequivocally supporting the military council in any decision they make. The last being a law giving capitalists who bought state-owned land immunity "to not discourage investment". There are calls for a "second revolution" now on for may 27th with 5000 attendees so far. April 6th are supporting it, however only hardcore youth protesters are encouraged to join. The risk now is further alienating people from the revolution, especially if it worsens their economic condition. The situation is more complex than ever now. Rumors also Mubarak is going to make an "apology" speech asking to be spared from prosecution in return for giving up his money. It's as if there wan't even a revolution, just a stroll in the park.

Here's a nice video by AJ on yesterday's events.

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A Revolutionary Tool
17th May 2011, 05:16
They took power AFTER nearly the entire populous began making demands and mobilizing for social change. I think they are capable of repeating the process, this time with much less patience for false pretenses of institutional and social change. If there is another government backlash, I hope and believe the leftist coalitions will form the forefront, along with the muslim brotherhood.
Why? From everything I've read that wouldn't happen anyways would it, they seem pretty happy with the situation as they have a lot to gain when the new government is set up.

RedSonRising
17th May 2011, 06:35
Why? From everything I've read that wouldn't happen anyways would it, they seem pretty happy with the situation as they have a lot to gain when the new government is set up.

The Muslim Brotherhood is simply really good at organizing in self defense of the people. They chose not to lead or heavily participate in the protests since their focus is on satisfying the goals of promoting an Islamic lifestyle without pursuing a majority of State power. If the military were to start harming protestors, who all seem to have ties with working class activists and former strikers, then I believe they would become involved in a second process of anti-oppressive demonstration.

agnixie
17th May 2011, 07:43
The Muslim Brotherhood is simply really good at organizing in self defense of the people. They chose not to lead or heavily participate in the protests since their focus is on satisfying the goals of promoting an Islamic lifestyle without pursuing a majority of State power. If the military were to start harming protestors, who all seem to have ties with working class activists and former strikers, then I believe they would become involved in a second process of anti-oppressive demonstration.

The MB is a petty bourgeois movement, though.

RedSonRising
17th May 2011, 21:44
The MB is a petty bourgeois movement, though.


I wouldn't call it bourgeois. I would call it populist and anti-imperialist Islamist in its origins, and now very grassroots pacifist Islamist. Though I think it is radicalizing and will continue to under the face of oppression. It wasn't secular or socialist in the sense of advancing class struggle for a classless society, but it adopted a lot of socioeconomic critiques from the unpopular leftist parties in Egypt for both domestic and foreign elites. It was a militant anti-State movement. My point is, if shit goes down and the people start facing harassment on the part of the State, the Muslim Brotherhood will likely be receptive to their needs in a good way. The popularity of the religion as a cultural context for political ideas can't be ignored, and if they support the forming leftist coalitions, then I'm all for it.