Fidel

[Babylon5 Crusade]

Has anybody here seen that movie?
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000640RU.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

I seen, it gives a balaned view on Fidel. It shows his struggle as a revolunary then ontoo where power corrupts him. With his idea that the revolution never ends. I believed the movie needs to show more of his Human rights problem. But other words the movie is ok.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...&s=dvd&n=507846 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000640RU/qid=1065110368/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_2/102-3959837-7328905?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846)

[Loknar]

I saw the movie, it was ok. I dont think anyone here would like it lol

[Desert Fox]

Can anyone give me more info about this movie ??? Like year it got released, publisher, ...

[Hampton]

I seen, it gives a balaned view on Fidel. It shows his struggle as a revolunary then ontoo where power corrupts him.

Sounds real balanced.

[Babylon5 Crusade]

Just read:


In 1959, Fidel Castro's tiny band of rebels toppled a corrupt Cuban dictatorship. Forty years later, Castro remains in power, incredibly surviving a CIA-led invasion, a missile crisis, eight assassination attempts, nine U.S. presidents and the fall of his Soviet allies. This riveting, hard-edged and intensely emotional drama traces the rise of one of history's most intriguing and controversial figures - from a guerilla outpost to the presidential palace. Featuring a stellar cast and tightly woven script, FIDEL goes behind the politics to offer up a rare personal portrait of a man driven relentlessly by his convictions, his pride and his passions. Ultimately, as portrayed by Victor Huggo Martin, the legendary Fidel Castro proves very human, torn by his love for two women and despairing that the idealism, charisma and will power that inspired a revolution could not build the free and prosperous nation he had envisioned.


Reminder 80% of the movie is a Pro-Castro movie. I believe it was on Showtime.

[Pete]

Human rights violations in Cuba eh? You mean in Guatamano Bay?

What about the Cuban Five...oh wait they are in American prisons. Or the airdropping of disease over the fields of Cuba...wait that was done by American supported terrorists. Oh yes, the failure to allow the spouses of prisoners to see thier husbands. Sorry that is again in America.

All those acts have been committed against Cuba or Cubans by America or American supported terrorists. Damn eh? Human rights violations my ass.

[Urban Rubble]

There are a few minor human rights violations being comitted in Cuba, but the U.S is so far ahead of them in that department that it isn't even debateable.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 2 2003, 11:27 PM
There are a few minor human rights violations being comitted in Cuba, but the U.S is so far ahead of them in that department that it isn't even debateable.
Any prove to back you up, for your rather harsh statement

[Pete]

Desert Fox, how many people are held in American prisons without being charged? Especially since the Patriot Acts and other things to preserve 'freedom'?

What about the Cuban 5? They report on terrorist activities happening within the US and are thrown in jail, including in solitary confinement for months at a time for no reason at all.

What about Maher Azad (sorry on the spelling) he was abducted in New York and deported to Syria, his birth nation which he has not been in for 17 or so years, where he is probaly being tortured ect on no charge at all. The man was Canadian, and the Americans have subjected him to human rights violatoins (they had to know they where going to happen) which in turn puts his blood (if he is killed) on the Syrian, as well as American and Canadian (supposively CSIS asked for this, but America still followed through) hands. Human Rights violation!

Discounting votes in Flordia to get Bush in.

Your electorial college is a human rights violation. Think about it...

There are more, but the question was not directed at me so I shall sit down.

[Jesus Christ]

ive heard from many capitalists that the movie didnt make Fidel seem evil enough
lol
:lol: :lol:

[FistFullOfSteel]

i seen the comandante movie

[elijahcraig]

Since when do Marxists believe revolution “ends”? It never ends during the socialist stage.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 04:53 PM
Desert Fox, how many people are held in American prisons without being charged? Especially since the Patriot Acts and other things to preserve 'freedom'?

What about the Cuban 5? They report on terrorist activities happening within the US and are thrown in jail, including in solitary confinement for months at a time for no reason at all.

What about Maher Azad (sorry on the spelling) he was abducted in New York and deported to Syria, his birth nation which he has not been in for 17 or so years, where he is probaly being tortured ect on no charge at all. The man was Canadian, and the Americans have subjected him to human rights violatoins (they had to know they where going to happen) which in turn puts his blood (if he is killed) on the Syrian, as well as American and Canadian (supposively CSIS asked for this, but America still followed through) hands. Human Rights violation!

Discounting votes in Flordia to get Bush in.

Your electorial college is a human rights violation. Think about it...

There are more, but the question was not directed at me so I shall sit down.
I have no right whatsoever to say if the prisoners are held captive in the US are innocent or guilty. What I can say, is that like in any country there are people held captive for the most absurd reasons and in the US there are some too. But some like "the possible terrorists" that are held captive is better be save than sorry ;)

[kitty44]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 2 2003, 11:27 PM
There are a few minor human rights violations being comitted in Cuba, but the U.S is so far ahead of them in that department that it isn't even debateable.
What do you mean there are few human rights violations??? If this were true than why did Castro refuse to allow human rights inspectors into the country??? Why are there so many prisoners of conscience???? <_<

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 10:33 PM
Since when do Marxists believe revolution “ends”? It never ends during the socialist stage.
Your right...it never ends...it just slows down to a point where one party can take absolute control and not step down for several years... :)

This would piss me off some if I dind&#39;t like Fidel so much

[Vinny Rafarino]

And what party would you want to run oppossing the socialist party eh? The Capitalist party?


(please don&#39;t say the anarchist party as that would be an oxymoron)

[Pete]

I have no right whatsoever to say if the prisoners are held captive in the US are innocent or guilty.

No, but what I listed where still gross American human rights violations.


But some like "the possible terrorists" that are held captive is better be save than sorry

Which is a HUGE human rights violation, not to mention civil rights.


As to Kitty...I am more or less sure that what you are claiming is so abirtrary that it does not matter. Why does America not let human rights inspectors into some of its prisons? Or why are so many American&#39;s prisoners of consiousness?? Really now. Prisoner of Consious? What the fuck is that?

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 4 2003, 11:35 PM
And what party would you want to run oppossing the socialist party eh? The Capitalist party?


(please don&#39;t say the anarchist party as that would be an oxymoron)
These are the parties I&#39;d like to see.

The Socialist Party, Communist Party, Social Democrat Party, Green Party, and the Republicans :D

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 11:39 PM
Which is a HUGE human rights violation, not to mention civil rights.



What do you wanna sacrifice : the lifes of 20 - 100 people or the rights of one man ;)

Think good about it

[Pete]

What do you wanna sacrifice : the lifes of 20 - 100 people or the rights of one man

When there is no proof it is a human rights violation. The jailing of Sherman Austin, for example, is a human and civil rights violation inside America.

Your arguement is groundless as most of the people rotting in American jails on these suspected terrorists charges where as guilty as the witches at Salem.

America, land of the violaters.

[Guest1]

Originally posted by Desert [email protected] 5 2003, 05:46 AM
What do you wanna sacrifice : the lifes of 20 - 100 people or the rights of one man ;)
one problem, there are tens of thousands of these "one man". and they aren&#39;t even given the right to attempt to prove they are innocent.

"think good about it"

[Kapitan Andrey]

Hmm...I want to see it&#33;