FASHION

[Markxs]

Fashion

What's wrong with fashion?

People weir fashionable clothes to get accepted by their environment, but why should people wear the same clothes to get accepted,. It's really noticeable that in this society people need to wear fashion otherwise they get treat like lesser people. It all starts at a young age, little kids who feel insecure because their social-environment doesn't accept them, they to find security and equal treatment, in the way they look, fashion is a way of this. They show they have lots of money by wearing expensive clothes (fashion). The kids who don't wear those clothes are not accepted anymore by the newborn leader (a person with much money is a social leader in this society). So the fashion kid with status thinks he is getting a little better now, he has more friends due to his status and other kids look up to him/her. But then another kid in the class will have the newest fashion again and the kids will dump the first leader and run after another one. So the popularity has switched with the status and fashion. The kid realizes he has no more friends which makes him unhappy and because of he new the feeling of power and much friends he just experienced and lost he wants to have it back again. Then a fashion fight between the two or three most popular kids in the classroom will brake loose. No-one will be happy because the fight will never end because there are new fashionable clothes created every day. The hunger to get accepted be popular and cool will never stop. Therefore you don't ever want to wear fashion again because it is a superficial way of making friends. The only two friends status/fashion brings is jealous and greed (to get accepted which can be seen in how fashionable people are ). We should people want to be better if no one will ever profit from this fashion situation? Ok some people profit from fashion those are the designers of it. If you don't wear fashionable clothes that's when you can tell who your real friends are, who think being cool is another thing then looks!

[Nickademus]

feeling insecure about your fashion sense? just kidding. i personally don't wear any labels (except dr. martens but only because they are damned good boots). i agree. fashion is a joke but that's why so many schools are implementing dress codes and uniforms, which of course many of us here are against. but clothes can be a great form of expression, like wearing che stuff. its a very difficult baattle to fight

[Moskitto]

Most schools in the UK have uniforms

I wear a pair of dr.martins which I bought from one of those outlet stores where you get stuff cheap. And then everyone was saying I wear Nazi Boots and thne they found out I was actually a communist and started saying I wear Red Army Stalin Boots.

Yeah fashions and expectations of "the normal thing to do" (Although by what someone said the normal thing for parents to do is to strangle their kids if they're a little bit odd) suck a bit.

[Guest]

this is very

one day, i'll remember my password so I can log in on the school comps...

well we have fashion the same reason we have many other things in America. Something for sheep to follow. True style is what you make of it, the clothes you wear, the way you wear it, is how you make it "you."

and like you guys were all saying, keeping up with the latest trends is basically a different way in saying "look at me, I have lots of money," just like discussed earlier with having a bigger home, a faster car, etc. Human beings are naturally competitive (for the most part) so fashion was just another way. Which I think you pointed out though :S.

[Chancho]

Shoving mass consumption down our throats using the artificial seduction of 'style' - taken on by most because people are desperate to conform. The effects we are all familiar with ... loss of individuality, creation of artificial desires, distortion of human nature, competition, stereotyping identifiers, artificial aesthetic rules, superficiality, insecurity, mass consumption and profit, profit, profit.

Labels are for jam jars.

[pce]

funny thing is, in an effort to stand out, everyone looks the same...

[Guest]

um, so what? didn't we have this conversation in high school?

[pce]

i am in high school - :biggrin:

[very]

well that is where i said, fashion is what you make of it, comes into play. Dressing a way in which you are comfortable and pleased with yourself is what fashion is about. however, many are as you said distorted with images they see on tv. my sister is a prime example, i try to tell her who cares what they're wearing on tv or in that people magazine, you're gonna go blow 90 bucks on a shirt that you aren't going to wear 6 months from now in an effort to look "cool" now, but it doesn't seem to get through, and as such, debates like this will rage on for years to come as they have in years past.

[CPK]

so...wearing nike is a bad thing?

[Nickademus]

wearing nike is an extremely bad thing. nike is a horrible violator of human rights

[CPK]

how many of you really read the labels of where the product was made?
shet, my nike shirts are made in canada. does that violate human rights as opposed to it being made in..say indonesia?

[Nickademus]

Quote: from CPK on 5:37 pm on Oct. 16, 2001
how many of you really read the labels of where the product was made?
shet, my nike shirts are made in canada. does that violate human rights as opposed to it being made in..say indonesia?

the fact that the particular your particular shirt was probably made in canada doesn't excuse the fact that a large number of thier products are made in sweat shops

[Drifter]

those people are better off working in sweat shops, if you stoped them, they would have no money at all.

[Drifter]

and as for fashion, well its part of human social instinct, nobody at heart wants to be an individual, we all wantt to be part of a group, divide the worl into 'us' and 'them',
you'll always have fashion, and people will exploit this for personal gain.
i wear doc. Martens sometimes by the way.

[ViktorPravda]

Quote:Labels are for jam jars.


Love it. That was a great one.

When I was a teenager, about 13, and started choosing my own clothes, my favorite things to wear were holy (we call them "broken in" ) jeans, a pair of military dress shoes that were beat to hell or my Doc's, and t-shirts or sweaters. I never felt much like a fashion follower.

Now my fashion sense is even less. Not that I am not aware, more like I don't give a sh**. I go to school to learn. I wear my old BDUs, industrial work jeans, whatever. About the only thing that I really worry about is my sweaters. I love sweaters. Even my sweaters are not "Tommy" or anything like that. They are just comfy.

The way a person holds themselves has a lot to do with the way people look at them. If you are secure enough then it doesn't matter what you wear.

[Drifter]

i personally can't be that stuffed with fashion anyway, god, i can't belive some of the stuff people will wear because its 'in fashion',,

[vox]

Drifter wrote:

"those people are better off working in sweat shops, if you stoped them, they would have no money at all."

This is the same as saying that capitalism will save the working class!!!

Fact is, capitalist exploitation of Third World workers does not offer them better lives but rather a whole new host of problems, including child labor, health problems from working with chemicals or in other unsafe conditions, sexual abuse and other physical abuse and pollution of the very land on which the workers live, the very water they drink.

In the US and the UK, there were hard, long and bloody labor fights to improve working conditions and pay. Surely, no one thinks that the eight hour day was a beneficent gift from an enlightened management, to borrow from Utah Phillips, right? It wasn't.

There's a pretty good article by Lenore Skenazy about Third World labor and Nike, if anyone is interested at:

http://www.transnationale.org/anglais/sour...ches__labor.htm (http://www.transnationale.org/anglais/sources/tiersmonde/zones_franches__labor.htm)

By the way, Drifter, your signature doesn't mention that volume one of Capital was a theoritical explication of capitalism.

vox

PS You might also want to read what Nike's own report showed:

http://www.transnationale.org/anglais/sour...e_factories.htm (http://www.transnationale.org/anglais/sources/tiersmonde/zones_franches__nike_factories.htm)

(Edited by vox at 5:08 pm on Oct. 17, 2001)

[Guest]

i think we dont want to kill the sweatshop we just want wages just as high as in the western world. and yes its a bad thing to use goods that were produced by kids who work 60 hours a week. that leeds to another subject that of what to do with coffee computers tv sets ( i mean every little piece of electronics in your home ) was made by little kids in these sweatshops!

does anyone know away to dodge this system and buy directly from the ppl who deserve your cash. i dont't but i know it's not good thinking to think of yourselve as a revolutianry and buy goods like nike, also computers is extremly bad to buy new if the old one doesnt work, do that with all goods i would say. you can say but if i dont buy these new computer i cant watch dvd or div-x movies on it or install windows xp or 2000 or whatever. the question which comes to my mind should we give in to the 'need' we feel to buy this new computer or software? i think it's the system which makes us buy new goods when the old ones still function !

so don't be subject to mental slavery( yes bob marley :) )

and be happy with no stuff at all or at least the least stuff you can live with! ask yourselve do i really need it or does somethin/someone else wants me to

( not saying you should do anythin like that or have not already done it just telling what i tried/did !

[Drifter]

its interesting to note that a british machine made 50 years ago is usually much better quality than one made at present,
and if it wasn't for these people, we would not have the same standard of living that we enjoy, i'd be suprised if the public suddenlydecided to start effectivly haviong less money so these people can enjoy a bettter standard of living themselves.
boycotting the company will not help anyone, the only thing that will make a difference to these people is a major change of government for the better.

[Markxs]

so you feel boycotting doesnt help? maybe it doesnt but should we live like capitalists then! can we change these goverments when buying these goods, no we would be hypocrits no one would listen.............

we should realize the fake hapyyness coming from buying goods is wrong and that ppl are fooling themselves

[very]

i agree with markxs. you're "happy" only until it goes out of fashion and it's not "cool" to wear that shirt or those shoes.


The way a person holds themselves has a lot to do with the way people look at them. If you are secure enough then it doesn't matter what you wear.
- ViktorPravda


best thing i've read in this thread

[Anonymous]

i think it has something to do with age also. Its a bigger deal among the youngest. When i was a little bit younger i used to wear what i thought was "in" and "cool", not labels because i think that isnt cosidered cool anymore(many will disagree), but a hip hop look: large pants, neckless etc. your regular juvenile delinquente:) However i realised a few things after i matured a little, it really doenst matter what you wear and the artificial groups that tend to be created around fashion and music tastes are false. It also made me less acessible to people that didnt use the same fashion code, and its all so superficial, just because some people wear the same cloaths as you doesnt mean its them you`ll like best, it doesnt mean that its there you will find the friends you can truly call friends. In fact i think its mostly the oposite: friendships fromed for such superficial reasons tend to have a less promising future.

i gave up on fashion:) its useless junk, i judge people for them selves not there cloaths. But in general i think this happens with everyone once they get a little bit older >18

[Drifter]

i've met very very few people who have such easy confidence in themselves that they can stand above fads and the rest,
man they really get the chicks though,
i'm not one of those people though, just an insecure little shit like veryone else.

[Anonymous]

lol drifter

[sabre]

Yeah, logos are crap. What I always say is when you wear a big Nike swoosh on your shirt you are advertising their company, so therefor you pay them, to advertise their logo, and isn't it supposed to be the other way around? That usually works in getting people to actually think about the billboards they are wearing.

[ViktorPravda]

Quote: from very on 3:07 am on Oct. 19, 2001
best thing i've read in this thread


(In my best Elvis voice) 'Thank you, than you very much.

[RedCeltic]

I remember my mother saying the same thing about fashon many years ago when I was a child and those desginer geans came out. (Sergio Valente, Jordashe etc) And she said, " Why pay to have some rich guy's name on your ass?"

So, My attitude against fashion has been instilled in me for quite a long time. And the 'logo thing' it's only gotten worse since then, it's quite disgusting.

[ViktorPravda]

(as sarcastically as humanly possible) But gee Red. don't you wanna' be a Tommy Boy? :-)

I have often said the same things about advertising for a company. I agree whole heartedly.

But, it is just so difficult to try to be a free thinker when faced with the option of being able to wear pants that, even though I have on a belt, have to be pulled up constantly to keep me from going to jail for indecent exposure. Plus, those big flashy logos are sooooo cool. :-)

Anyone who doesn't realize that parts of this were totally sarcastic, need serious mental help.

P.S. - went shopping today. Bought two pair of jeans (3.50 each) and had money left over to buy my smokes (hav-a-tampa two packs for 1.49).

(Edited by ViktorPravda at 2:46 am on Oct. 20, 2001)

[RedCeltic]

As far as shopping for cloths, I'm fairly lucky in that I live near two very large thrift shops. They raised prices a few years ago however when the 'Grunge' thing was fashionable. But... I started shopping there to get work cloths... and realized that there are alot of people who buy cloths and get rid of them a year, or six months later for some odd reason.... So one can actually shop at the salvation army, and come out not looking too shabby.

And as for the 'Tommy look' or whatever... his stuff I think is the worst... not just a little swoosh or a name on your back pocket... but his name in huge letters! Every time I see that, I always think back how my mother complained about a stupid name on a back pocket... she thought that was walking advertisement... so, tommy's stuff is just insane.

[drunktank]

you can't go to a protest
against imperialism
with your adidas.

This is the definition
of hypocrisy.

I live with two anonymous
pairs of trousers, 5 blouses
and no mobile, I am
completely out of fashion
(I seem like a fly in the milk) and I do
believe this is real non-conformism.