I used to be a Democrat

[tradeunionsupporter]

I used to be a Democrat I thought they were a political party here in the United States of America that was for the poor and the working class and that the Republicans were the political party of the Rich/Wealthy in my opinion Progressive Income Tax Right Wingers call Progressive Taxation Forced Charity or a Flat Tax Capitalist Exploitation will still exist Capitalism does not believe in helping the poor while it is true that America is not a pure Capitalist society it is a mixed economy anyway supporting higher taxes on the Rich to pay for Government/Social Services does not mean one supports Working Class rule does anyone agree ?

[Die Rote Fahne]

I used to be a Democrat I thought they were a political party here in the United States of America that was for the poor and the working class and that the Republicans were the political party of the Rich/Wealthy in my opinion Progressive Income Tax or a Flat Tax Capitalist Exploitation will still exist Capitalism does not believe in helping the poor while it is true that America is not a pure Capitalist society it is a mixed economy anyway supporting higher taxes on the Rich to pay for Government/Social Services does not mean one supports Working Class rule does anyone agree ?

The USA is not a mixed economy, it is a pure capitalist society with liberal bourgeois regulations. The means of production are exclusively privately owned.

Not necessarily no. However, higher taxation on the rich to pay for social services is not a bad thing. It can make life easier on the working class, but seeking reforms to make life easier shouldn't be the task of socialists. Complete abolition of the capitalist system should be.

EDIT: Removed overhaul from the last sentence.

[Drosophila]

The USA is not a mixed economy, it is a pure capitalist society with liberal bourgeois regulations.

That's basically what a mixed market is.

[Die Rote Fahne]

That's basically what a mixed market is.

Regulations = socialism?

[Viet Minh]

I used to be a Democrat I thought they were a political party here in the United States of America that was for the poor and the working class and that the Republicans were the political party of the Rich/Wealthy in my opinion Progressive Income Tax Right Wingers call Progressive Taxation Forced Charity or a Flat Tax Capitalist Exploitation will still exist Capitalism does not believe in helping the poor while it is true that America is not a pure Capitalist society it is a mixed economy anyway supporting higher taxes on the Rich to pay for Government/Social Services does not mean one supports Working Class rule does anyone agree ?

All in one sentence! Yes, I agree but I feel it is the corporations and not the individuals who should be taxed, I'm not quite sure how that would work out though.

[Viet Minh]

The USA is not a mixed economy, it is a pure capitalist society with liberal bourgeois regulations. The means of production are exclusively privately owned.

Not necessarily no. However, higher taxation on the rich to pay for social services is not a bad thing. It can make life easier on the working class, but seeking reforms to make life easier shouldn't be the task of socialists. Complete overhaul of the system should be.

I think you understimate the cost of such an overhaul, its costs a lot of resources and time just to change the name of something, never mind shifting departments etc. And thats just changes to a bureaucratic system, not a complete reinvention of a society along Socialist lines. Besides people don't like change, and if the people aren't happy (and they rarely are) then you face counter-revolution. Reform isn't ideal but it could be that we never achieve Socialist revolution, shouldn't we try to improve things anyway? Whats the point of fighting against racism and abuse of workers otherwise?

[wunderbar]

This is sort of hard to read without punctuation.

[Spawn of Stalin]

That's basically what a mixed market is.
A mixed economy has nothing to do with regulations. In a mixed economy there are significant amount of both state and privately owned enterprises. China is a mixed economy.

[MattShizzle]

TBH it's better to vote Democrat in the USA - as there is no way a leftist will be elected anytime soon and a capitalist with some progressive ideas is better than a fascist (ie a Democrat is better than a Republican.)

[#FF0000]

TBH it's better to vote Democrat in the USA - as there is no way a leftist will be elected anytime soon and a capitalist with some progressive ideas is better than a fascist (ie a Democrat is better than a Republican.)

No.

I wouldn't support voting for a leftist, either.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

I agree there is hardly a point in voting for a democrat or a republican, but I disagree that voting for a leftist is necessarily a waste.

I still love Rabbi's quote, Piss tastes better than shit but I'm still not going to serve it at my dinner party.

[thesadmafioso]

That may just be the worst run on sentence I have ever read in my life. The multitude of random capital letters and various different questions didn't help its cohesiveness either.

[#FF0000]

mods should give infractions to grammar nazis

[Revolution starts with U]

Wait.. I thought we banned NAZI's outright :lol:
Irony ftw :cool:

I'm in the same boat as you trade. Tho I still have a soft spot for some of the more left-ish democrats; Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich, Cenk, Michael Moore, etc

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

To me a good defining line, between the run-of-the-mill corporocrats and any even slight progressives, is Israel-Palestine. If any 'progressive' is giving speeches to AIPAC, I can't take them seriously anymore.

This being said, Bibi is coming to DC and despite knowing better I still have a faint hope that, after killing osama, the prez will finally grow a pair and at least make it appear that the US is to give some resistance to Israels expansionary and blatantly illegal policies. The chances are beyond miniscule but I hope nonetheless.

(not to try and derail the thread but felt like it was good spot to interject that bit)

[ZeroNowhere]

Given the existence as uttered forth in the public works of Puncher and Wattmann of a personal God quaquaquaqua with white beard quaquaquaqua outside time without extension who from the heights of divine apathia divine athambia divine aphasia loves us dearly with some exceptions for reasons unknown but time will tell and suffers like the divine Miranda with those who for reasons unknown but time will tell are plunged in torment plunged in fire whose fire flames if that continues and who can doubt it will fire the firmament that is to say blast hell to heaven so blue still and calm so calm with a calm which even though intermittent is better than nothing but not so fast and considering what is more that as a result of the labors left unfinished crowned by the Acacacacademy of Anthropopopometry of Essy-in-Possy of Testew and Cunard it is established beyond all doubt all other doubt than that which clings to the labors of men that as a result of the labors unfinished of Testew and Cunnard it is established as hereinafter but not so fast for reasons unknown that as a result of the public works of Puncher and Wattmann it is established beyond all doubt that in view of the labors of Fartov and Belcher left unfinished for reasons unknown of Testew and Cunard left unfinished it is established what many deny that man in Possy of Testew and Cunard that man in Essy that man in short that man in brief in spite of the strides of alimentation and defecation wastes and pines wastes and pines and concurrently simultaneously what is more for reasons unknown in spite of the strides of physical culture the practice of sports such as tennis football running cycling swimming flying floating riding gliding conating camogie skating tennis of all kinds dying flying sports of all sorts autumn summer winter winter tennis of all kinds hockey of all sorts penicillin and succedanea in a word I resume and concurrently simultaneously for reasons unknown to shrink and dwindle in spite of the tennis I resume flying gliding golf over nine and eighteen holes tennis of all sorts in a word for reasons unknown in Feckham Peckham Fulham Clapham namely concurrently simultaneously what is more for reasons unknown but time will tell to shrink and dwindle I resume Fulham Clapham in a word the dead loss per caput since the death of Bishop Berkeley being to the tune of one inch four ounce per caput approximately by and large more or less to the nearest decimal good measure round figures stark naked in the stockinged feet in Connemara in a word for reasons unknown no matter what matter the facts are there and considering what is more much more grave that in the light of the labors lost of Steinweg and Peterman it appears what is more much more grave that in the light the light the light of the labors lost of Steinweg and Peterman that in the plains in the mountains by the seas by the rivers running water running fire the air is the same and then the earth namely the air and then the earth in the great cold the great dark the air and the earth abode of stones in the great cold alas alas in the year of their Lord six hundred and something the air the earth the sea the earth abode of stones in the great deeps the great cold on sea on land and in the air I resume for reasons unknown in spite of the tennis the facts are there but time will tell I resume alas alas on on in short in fine on on abode of stones who can doubt it I resume but not so fast I resume the skull to shrink and waste and concurrently simultaneously what is more for reasons unknown in spite of the tennis on on the beard the flames the tears the stones so blue so calm alas alas on on the skull the skull the skull the skull in Connemara in spite of the tennis the labors abandoned left unfinished graver still abode of stones in a word I resume alas alas abandoned unfinished the skull the skull in Connemara in spite of the tennis the skull alas the stones.

[hatzel]

I still love Rabbi's quote

I'm happy that I've suddenly become so quotable. I'm like a new Mao! :lol:

[Tik-Tok]

Op, you got sucked into the left right bulls**t. Both parties are authoritarian shills for the corporate elite. The wya it works is the corporates lobby thier politicans for the changes they want, then the same corporates use thier media outlets to promote thier politican. This is how it all works. The simple solution is to severe the ties between the corporations and the government. Most people here think this is ludicrous but you must ask yourself why such big business is afraid of a free market.

[RGacky3]

Most people here think this is ludicrous but you must ask yourself why such big business is afraid of a free market.

Because a free market is a myth, and capitalism needs corporatism nowerdays to survive.

[Lanky Wanker]

LMAO I'm sorry but I can't read this person's posts without laughing, I've not seen him/her use a single full stop or comma in any post.

[Dumb]

mods should give infractions to grammar nazis

This is more like being a grammar Rockefeller Republican.

[PhoenixAsh]

Around here it should be called "spell cheka"

[Agent Ducky]

Around here it should be called "spell cheka"

Best word for strict-grammar people. EVER.

[Revolution starts with U]

unfortunately 99% of people wouldnt get it :crying:

[Agent Ducky]

unfortunately 99% of people wouldnt get it :crying:

But people on revleft get it. So we can use it here. :D