Question

[TheCuriousCommunist]

Not quite sure where to put it, since it involves both site policy and an opposing ideological group (Third Postionism); but I'll put it here and wait to see what the admins do to it.

Why are Fascists and Third Positionists banned even from the OI forums? It's rather childish, tbh, as even Stormfront (not fascist or Third Positionist, mind you; I just thought it was a good example) lets leftists post; as well as the major fascist forum on the web. Cannot leftists do the same?

Oh, and while I'm at it, any Guild Socialists here?

And to ask a further question, why am I automatically marked as an Reactionary?

[hatzel]

This question has already been asked and answered at least a million bagillion times...:glare:

[Leftie]

Fascists wouldn't add anything to the discussion other than trolling our forum. We here generally don't consider their opinions even worth criticising.

[Omsk]

Well,that was fast.

[TheCuriousCommunist]

Well,that was fast.

Indeed it was.


And @Leftie:

Why would you think that?

[Leftie]

Indeed it was.


And @Leftie:

Why would you think that?

Because if someone is fascist, they probably aren't intelligent enough to engage in a debate.

[Bronco]

Because if someone is fascist, they probably aren't intelligent enough to engage in a debate.

That's a rather presumptuous generalisation to make

[Broletariat]

We don't allow fash here because you're a distraction plain and simple. We really just don't give a shit what you have to say, we've already seen what you DO. We recognise that this is class-war and we're not going to let you disrupt our meetings.

[Leftie]

That's a rather presumptuous generalisation to make

Really? I don't think so.

[Revolution starts with U]

Fascists are not allowed because there is a long history of fascists hunting down and killing socialists and communists. It's not quite the same in reverse. They also tend to be nothing more than 3rd rate trolls. There are some "intelligent" fascists, but not enough to make up for the utter BS we would have to put up with.

[#FF0000]

for a long time it was because our servers were in germany.

then we had a vote on it and it was p. much unanimous I think.

we just don't wanna talk to them, basically.


And to ask a further question, why am I automatically marked as an Reactionary?

you're restricted. it's a thing that happens.

[Revolution starts with U]

You're restricted because you said "fascism works on paper" and claimed a former fascist, now communist who really doesn't know much about communism. This was also explained to you at least twice.

[lines]

What is the word fascist being used here to refer to? Fascism is a particular ideology that was prevalent during the rule of Benito Mussolini in Italy. I can honestly say I have never met anyone or talked to anyone who was a literal advocate of fascism. So is the word fascism being used to describe another ideology or set of ideologies? From what I understand fascism is concerned with a particular way of merging state and corporate power and it also utilizes nationalistic sentiment. Can someone say what is being meant by the word fascism in this thread.

[#FF0000]

Nazis, basically. Though there are definitely classic Fascist organizations too.

[Ele'ill]

Not quite sure where to put it, since it involves both site policy and an opposing ideological group (Third Postionism); but I'll put it here and wait to see what the admins do to it.

Hi.


Why are Fascists and Third Positionists banned even from the OI forums? It's rather childish, tbh, as even Stormfront (not fascist or Third Positionist, mind you; I just thought it was a good example) lets leftists post; as well as the major fascist forum on the web. Cannot leftists do the same?

A couple reasons- this forum (revleft) was set up as a discussion forum for leftists to discuss leftist ideology, free from opposing views. What about OI? We are one of those forums that allows opposing ideologies a little place to discuss stuff with leftists- while fascism (as an example) is an opposing ideology there are enough differences between it and leftist thought to make the conversations immediately volatile. There is also the issue of fascists killing leftists in the real world and we really don't want people with that ideological background floating around freely anywhere on the forum. Perhaps I'm overspeaking here but most of the users in OI are not at a point of immediate militant contention with leftist ideology in the same way that fascists are. I would place fascists in the same category as cops/intelligence/agents.

As for the other non-leftist forums (fascist/far-right) allowing leftists to post- I'd have to question the validity of this statement. I know a lot of leftists who have gotten banned for their views and it wasn't because of trolling and ultimately that's up to their forums administration/user base to make the call. I think our decision here on this forum is sound.





And to ask a further question, why am I automatically marked as an Reactionary?

What do you mean?

[Viet Minh]

Why are Fascists and Third Positionists banned even from the OI forums? It's rather childish, tbh, as even Stormfront (not fascist or Third Positionist, mind you; I just thought it was a good example) lets leftists post; as well as the major fascist forum on the web.

Nonsense. I asked a lot of questions on that site and they didn't publish any of them. They only publish the ones like 'OMG U LOT R SUCH RACIST' and then suggest they are typical of leftist arguments. So no fuck you, and good call whoever restricted you.

[lines]

My understanding is that opposing views is for people who are right wing but not necessarily so far right that it's beyond ridiculous.

[Thirsty Crow]

As for the other non-leftist forums (fascist/far-right) allowing leftists to post- I'd have to question the validity of this statement. I know a lot of leftists who have gotten banned for their views and it wasn't because of trolling and ultimately that's up to their forums administration/user base to make the call. I think our decision here on this forum is sound.

But why would such an "argument" even matter? It's a cheap moralistic trick, invoking a vague notion of reciprocity which would "prove" somehow that fascists and other scum are in fact quite tolerant of the revolutionary viewpoint. I don't care if they are (and I seriously doubt they are). They're a nuisance which would plague this subforum in which some intelligent reactionaries can make a point and engage the rest of the board in debates which don't end up in advocacy of genocide, mass deportation, and bigotry.

[hatzel]

I like to think I have a certain amount of compassion for others. Just today, for instance, some 90-something-year-old guy in Germany was brought in front of the courts for what he did at the camps 70 years ago. I try to think and understand how a lot of the people who did such things had been brainwashed by the regime, emotionally scarred by the effects of war, or may have done what they did from fear of what would happen if they hadn't obeyed orders, all this. And I can understand that plenty of these camp guards and soldiers are ashamed, and have felt guilt for their actions during the war pretty much every day for decades and decades afterwards, and I don't feel there's any use in hating these people. I'd much rather try to forgive them if they show genuine remorse, as many have. But seriously, if you voluntarily choose to be a fascist today, with none of these extenuating circumstances, no regime to brainwash you, no war to fuck you up in the head, no military commander forcing you to comply or else you'd be executed for treason or something...yeah, being banned from posting on RevLeft is literally the least of your many many many problems...

[a rebel]

Fascists are not allowed because there is a long history of fascists hunting down and killing socialists and communists. It's not quite the same in reverse. They also tend to be nothing more than 3rd rate trolls. There are some "intelligent" fascists, but not enough to make up for the utter BS we would have to put up with.

Like revright.com? a site for "intelligent" fascists which i believe has around 7 to 12 members. Says a lot about a fascists intelligence

[Ele'ill]

But why would such an "argument" even matter? It's a cheap moralistic trick, invoking a vague notion of reciprocity which would "prove" somehow that fascists and other scum are in fact quite tolerant of the revolutionary viewpoint. I don't care if they are (and I seriously doubt they are). They're a nuisance which would plague this subforum in which some intelligent reactionaries can make a point and engage the rest of the board in debates which don't end up in advocacy of genocide, mass deportation, and bigotry.

Yeah, I think I illustrated this. The reciprocation of 'tolerance' is false as those boards ban leftists. This forum is for leftists to discuss leftist ideologies etc... - we have OI for users other than militant threats.