Red Army Raped Every German Woman, Says Author

[Loknar]

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2...5/2/80440.shtml (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/5/2/80440.shtml)

Now, why would a Communist defend the red army with: “it never happened!"? If no Communist country has ever existed then I would say you have some sort of nationalistic pride in Russia.


In any event it is hardly debatable that these mass raping happened. Suicide rates were up, abortion rates jumped through the roof, Stalin said (and I am paraphrasing) "we need to allow our soldiers to take the initiative at times".

Now RAF there is no need for you to post because I already know what you are going to say. All I will say is this: provide me with some sort of evidence that these things did not happen. Hundreds of thousands of people don’t get together and make up bullshit stories.

[Hate Is Art]

i saw a women on tv, claiming the red army raped her, there are records of generals ordering men to rape (slightly more subtle but that was the jist of it)

unfortunatly i can see no defence for what they did.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

A true communist, isn't a womenabuser.

Most men in the Red Army had sworn revenge on facistic Germany and hadn't had any contact with women since the Red Army counteroffence begun.

That you're a member of the Red Army doesn't make you a communist. Especially when you keep in mind that they were conscripts.

[Hate Is Art]

see what you mean, but even so RAPE! I still find it hard to justify.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

I don't know that a source like newsmax.com can be a reliable source... can this be corroborated by a source that is less adamant in being reactionary?

[Loknar]

Originally posted by Marxist in [email protected] 1 2003, 08:47 PM
I don't know that a source like newsmax.com can be a reliable source... can this be corroborated by a source that is less adamant in being reactionary?
I think it is, Anthony Beevor is a well noted historian.


People, I am, not trying to make the red army look bad by any means considering that they very well saved us from Hitler. I just hear RAF and Elijah talk about Stalin and Soviet Russia as if they were angles.

[UnionofSovietSocialistRepublics]

You cant generalise and say the 'red army raped..'. I imagine some rapes did take place, but not on a regular basis.

[Nobody]

You know I'm not pro-rape or abuse of women, but I find it hard to care...

[Loknar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 09:35 PM
You know I'm not pro-rape or abuse of women, but I find it hard to care...
I bet if I replaced "Red Army" with "American Army" you'd care.

[Rastafari]

Originally posted by El [email protected] 1 2003, 05:33 PM
You cant generalise and say the 'red army raped..'. I imagine some rapes did take place, but not on a regular basis.
Thats like saying "American Air Force" rapes Japan!

[Bianconero]

I imagine some rapes did take place, but not on a regular basis.

I may be wrong, but from what I know it did happen on a regular basis.

[Rastafari]

yeah, it did. I'm not sure the Nazis were too nice to the french femmes, though

[swapna]

Thats sheer nonsense. American media can go to any extent when it comes to maligning the USSR.

loknar,
I remember reading in hitler's biography(by some American ) that Staling used to walk from a theater when he saw nude scenes in a movie. That shows the regard he has for women.

And also the Communist Manifesto clearly tels us to stop looking at women as commodities (unlike the bible which says women are evil).

[Xvall]

Ok. Yeah, I'm fairly sure rapes did occur. However, I can not think of a many wars where some rapes didn't occur. Is this right? Of course not. However, I'm not sure exactly what you brought this up for. I doubt every member of the Red Army raped every single Woman in Germany.

[Vinny Rafarino]

The Red Army did not rape every German woman. That type of statement is utterly absurd. How this article even allowed something so blatently false be printed amazes me. It sounds like something that would be in a tabloid.

However, do I think members of the Red Army raped women in Germany? Of course they did. Just like members of the Wehrmacht raped Russian women. Just like members of the US military raped German women.

What exactly is your point here Loknar?

[Urban Rubble]

Loknar, of course the Soviets raped women, do you think we hold them in such high esteem that we can't realize they are human ? Most armies in major wars committed attrocities, sad but true. I don't make excuses for any soldiers that do things like that whether it is the U.S in Vietnam, Japan, the Soviets in Germany, the French in Angola, nobody.

Now, if you are trying to say that they used it as a war tactic then you're a fucking moron, because that's just not true. Plus, I would that the Americans in Vietnam were far, far worse. Germany invaded Russia and killed many of their countrymen, plus, they were fucking Nazis, not an excuse to rape on a mass scale, but it's a little different than the Americans invading Vietnam, raping and pillaging the whole way.

Get a fucking clue, we know that the Red Army weren't perfect angels. Your stupid little attempts to make us look stupid aren't working.

[Anarchist Freedom]

ok i know what loknar is saying it happend i know it did historians all over the world agree on this i know it seems weird but really the people in russia if you think about it didnt know what communism is they just went along like sheep doing what they were told they had no clue and also your out there fighting for long periods of times you prolly get a little horney but this doesnt justify this at all and i bet you american soldeirs did rape germen women



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[Regicidal Insomniac]

So every single soldier in the Red Army raped every single woman in Germany? There's more bulshit in that statement than there is a McD's hamburger.

Name me one army that has never raped a woman under military occupation. I'm not excusing it by any means, but get a fucking clue. The statement is total crap and the filler is old news.



Thats like saying "American Air Force" rapes Japan!

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[Anti-Fascist]

Loknar:
What you ought to have done was provide evidence which indicates that it did in fact happen, then request that the members here attempt to refute your argument (and the link does not say much; the author does not even come close to, nor does he even attempt to come close to, proving that the Red Army raped every woman). Instead, with no evidence whatever, you assert that it did happen, and ask us to prove that it did not happen. This is the appeal to ignorance of fallacy. The burden of proof is on him who posits.

[iwwobblie]

http://english.pravda.ru/world/2000/10/02/7.html

[Iron Star]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2003, 03:57 AM
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n5p25_secret.html
The 'Institute for Historical Review' is an anti-Semitic organisation famous for its dedication to Holocaust denial.

Only an idiot would take anything they say seriously.

[Anarchist Freedom]

i know im kinda betraying you guys but i am with loknar on this the red army did rape women ages 14-80 and yes there generals allowed it stalin is supposedly in control of these such documents that says this happend they even interveiwd about 10 women on hisotry channel one night asking about the rapes and they all said it happend and they all lost there virginity that way 8 ( but i cant say i blame them any soldier wold rape someone they were really horny i bet! jk but yah the rapes were wrong cant change that and
loknar dont think US soldiers didnt rape women because they did and still do !



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[Dhul Fiqar]

Mrs. Rademacher - the old woman who lives upstairs - was not raped. There. I have disproven your claim ;)

--- G.

[redstarshining]

Originally posted by Iron Star+Oct 2 2003, 11:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Iron Star @ Oct 2 2003, 11:13 AM)
[email protected] 2 2003, 03:57 AM
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n5p25_secret.html
The &#39;Institute for Historical Review&#39; is an anti-Semitic organisation famous for its dedication to Holocaust denial.

Only an idiot would take anything they say seriously. [/b]
Indeed, their publications are illegal in Germany. Although this article was still fairly harmless bullshit, compared to the other stuff they got on this site, you should refrain from posting articles from such sources.
I don&#39;t know, maybe linking is ok, as long as you provide a disclaimer? :huh:

[iwwobblie]

I&#39;m sorry, I wasn&#39;t aware of what The Institute for Historical Review was about.I apoligize if I offended any of my comrades.

[Loknar]

Guys I know the US has some bad stuff in it&#39;s past. I know US soldiers raped women at times in Germany, China, most of it happened in Vietnam probably. I know these things will happen but that does not make it right for anyone. Some US service men were actually executed during WW2 for raping women. In WW2 (western theater) we were pretty good compared to the Reds. Our big fuck up was in Vietnam maybe the Philippines (I am not sure in American soldiers were raping but they sure were cruel). (thanks for those links iwwobblie)

[Anarchist Freedom]

dhul i havea teacher who is named rademacher &#33; crazy&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; huh ???



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[Urban Rubble]

Like I said, anyone (socialist or capitalist) that denies rapes took place on a massive scale is a moron. It happened, get over it. I am not trying to justify it, it was a sick tradgedy.

Loknar, I have a question. Do you think it was slightly more justifiable for the Reds to rape German women than it was for the U.S to rape Vietnamese women ?

Let&#39;s look at this objectively. The Germans invaded Russia and were killing many of their countrymen. They were also Nazis.

Now, the U.S invades another country and commits far more attrocities than the Reds.

Neither of them are O.K, but I don&#39;t think what the Reds did in Germany was nearly as bad as what we did in Nam, and other places.

[redstarshining]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2003, 02:05 PM
I&#39;m sorry, I wasn&#39;t aware of what The Institute for Historical Review was about.I apoligize if I offended any of my comrades.
No, no problem. I already guessed that the views expressed on this site are not yours :)



Urban Rubble: If it happened then it was indeed unjustifiable, and might very well have happened. The only problem is that all the evidence I&#39;ve seen so far comes from extremely biased and unreliable sources. Just look at the title of this thread.

[Urban Rubble]

Well ya, most things in the major media dealing with the Soviets are totally biased. Of course they didn&#39;t rape "every" German woman. It did happen on a pretty wide scale though. Anyone who says they used it as a war tactic is a moron.

[Don't Change Your Name]

i wont trust a damn word that comes from that site

[notyetacommie]

Locknar, what you are trying to say here is: the USSR was bad, and try to prove otherwise. As the USA opposed the USSR all the way, they are better than the USSR.

It is wrong on both ends.
First, there is presumption of innocence. That is, if you accuse someone of something, it&#39;s your duty to prove beyond the reasonable doubt that the crime was committed, and that it is the person(s) in question who committed it. The article by a historian (however famous) cannot be a reasonable proof. Could you show a single document supporting your statement? Yes, that Beavor says they exist, but I haven&#39;t even seen a photocopy of a single document.
Second, USA isn&#39;t better in any way, even if the aforementioned atrocities did take place (which is yet to be proven- by you or Beavor).

Meanwhile, I have a question to you- What do you know about Russia? I am afraid you have lots of misconceptions about this country. The article says that Russian soldiers were "ill-educated". Do you (and Beavor, of course) know the higher education rates among the soldiers to lay claims about it?

I bet your vision of Russia of that time is that it&#39;s a country covered with snow the year round, with bears walking on the streets, with people drinking vodka from samovars, playing the balalaikas and making matreshkas from the wood, everybody wearing red shirts and so on and so forth. Oh, yes, I might have failed to mention miserable babushkas. You know, when I chat with Americans over the internet, their first question when they learn I am from Siberia is: DO YOU REALLY HAVE COMPUTERS IN SIBERIA? I DON&#39;T BELIEVE IT&#33; Their second utterance is usually: IT MUST BE FREEZING COLD THERE NOW, even if it&#39;s summer.
The majority of your compatriots can&#39;t even say when the WWII began- not to mention your own American revolution and civil war- so their knowledge of other countries&#39; history is somewhat... should I say faulty?

It is no problem teaching Beavor&#39;s bullshit to such ignorant people (some of them have college degrees but fail to recognise basic concepts- shall I call your army ill-educated?), but, please, don&#39;t try to play this trick on me or.

Anyway, this is the second (or third?) time I see a right-winger referring to the same article, trying to sling the mud on the winners of WWII. Are you having an inferiority complex or what?

[suffianr]

Loknar, what an utterly stupid thread.

Pass GO and collect &#036;200.