Change of Opinon on Gadaffi?

[IHateCorporations]

Can someone please explain this to me?

In the beginning of the 2010-2011 Arab World Protests, the Communists were in favor of the rebels in Libya, saying 'Down with Gadaffi!' Now that it has come out that the rebels are funded by the CIA, the Communists did a total 180 and began saying 'Resist Imperialism! Long live Gadaffi!'

I realize that we shouldn't be supporting Capitalist-funded groups, but the new-found praise for Gadaffi is just stupid, if we were against him before.

Smells like Bull____, Comrades!!

Also note, I consider myself a Marxist-Leninist.

[jake williams]

The communists who either supported or opposed Gaddafi/the intervention/the rebels haven't, generally, changed their positions since the start of the war.

A very few American left liberals have realized that cheerleading for NATO military humanism under Obama is profoundly hypocritical, and have questioned some of their own initial outpourings of joy. Since not very many "communists" were NATO cheerleaders in the first place, and those that are were so far gone as to not have any reason to change their position later, this didn't really happen.

[Comrade J]

Your arguments are mostly generalisations rather than actual quotes, I haven't heard or read any communists saying "long live Gadaffi".

Communists support a peoples' uprising against their leader, they just don't support the imperialist ambitions of those that pretend to be aiding them. I just don't think everybody makes that clear, so perhaps you're perceiving their stance on imperialism as being therefore pro-Gadaffi. It's a much more difficult issue to declare a clearcut stance on - it's not as black and white as many conflicts often are, given that there is interference from third parties.

[Chicxulub]

Can someone please explain this to me?

In the beginning of the 2010-2011 Arab World Protests, the Communists were in favor of the rebels in Libya, saying 'Down with Gadaffi!' Now that it has come out that the rebels are funded by the CIA, the Communists did a total 180 and began saying 'Resist Imperialism! Long live Gadaffi!'

I realize that we shouldn't be supporting Capitalist-funded groups, but the new-found praise for Gadaffi is just stupid, if we were against him before.


REAL communists have always supported Gaddafi against the forces of imperialism. I don't know what leftists you associate with, but it sounds like they're western bourgeois chauvinist liberal leftists, not communists as you so claim.

tl;dr: fake communists are a reality we all have to deal with.

[agnixie]

REAL communists have always supported Gaddafi against the forces of imperialism. I don't know what leftists you associate with, but it sounds like they're western bourgeois chauvinist liberal leftists, not communists as you so claim.

tl;dr: fake communists are a reality we all have to deal with.

so it's comrade Jorg Haider now? :lol:
Transparent troll is transparent.

[The Douche]

I (and many others) was (were) against the imperialist backed rebels from the start. If you search for threads on here you will see that many posters here did not ever support the rebels.

Nor have most of the posters ever "supported" Gadaffi.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Without speaking to this specific situation, what's wrong with changing your position?

I mean, if new information arises about a specific situation that you were not aware of, and makes you think that, hey, maybe I was mistaken about this situation, then I think the proper course of action would be to change your opinion.

[Proukunin]

exactly, I don't agree with gaddafi on everything because he is not a communist. but I agree more with him than the fucking racist bank funded rebels.

[human strike]

Your arguments are mostly generalisations rather than actual quotes, I haven't heard or read any communists saying "long live Gadaffi".

I have. CPGB-ML. We were like "no war in the Middle East!" and he was all like "long live Gadaffi!" and we were all like "STFU!"

[jake williams]

Without speaking to this specific situation, what's wrong with changing your position?

I mean, if new information arises about a specific situation that you were not aware of, and makes you think that, hey, maybe I was mistaken about this situation, then I think the proper course of action would be to change your opinion.
There's nothing wrong with changing your opinion giving new information - if the new information suggests you were wrong, changing your opinion is exactly the right thing to do.

That said, anyone whose position on the war began as that of a NATO cheerleader was, at best, extremely naive - and so it's not the changing of position that would be criticized, it's the absurd initial naivety.