"Brave" nazis attack red army vets in Ukraine V-day

[Triple A]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jrrknWZXQA&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBuuvkSA_CI&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

[SacRedMan]

-"Hey nazi, I think you've lost something!"

-"What did I lost?"

-"The war!!"

[TheLeftStar]

The Neo-Nazis are acting bitterly since the Nazis were defeated in World War II!

[Red Future]

should be in anti- fascism

[Omsk]

/too angry at the moment to actually post a reply.

[Dire Helix]

No surprise here. The Nazis in Western Ukraine have a lot of popular support among the local population. The situation in Lviv and Ivano-Frankivsk is especially depressing and is more or less comparable to the wet dream of all European Nazis - Hungary.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

This is the moment when you're supposed to round these Nazi scum up and mow them down. Disgusting.

[Iraultzaile Ezkerreko]

No good Nazi 'cept a dead Nazi.

[Commissar Rykov]

I have never understood the Slavic support for Neo-Nazis. Do they not realize they were destined for gaschambers and slavery?

[GallowsBird]

I have never understood the Slavic support for Neo-Nazis. Do they not realize they were destined for gaschambers and slavery?

I know! It is weird that any Slavs of all people would support an ideology that saw them as undermen.

The only real "undermen" are the Nazi-scum that should all be rounded up and shot.

I wouldn't worry about this though, the Nazi-trash are just angry because they know they lost then, continue to lose now, and will always lose until none of them exist anymore.

[Commissar Rykov]

I know! It is weird that any Slavs of all people would support an ideology that saw them as undermen.

The only real "undermen" are the Nazi-scum that should all be rounded up and shot.

I wouldn't worry about this though, the Nazi-trash are just angry because they know they lost then, continue to lose now, and will always lose until none of them exist anymore.

Agreed comrade. I really shouldn't be surprised though Western Ukraine has always had tendencies to support the Nazis it happened during the Great Patriotic War and continues to this day. It seems Comrade Stalin was far too generous to traitors there.

[Tommy4ever]

Agreed comrade. I really shouldn't be surprised though Western Ukraine has always had tendencies to support the Nazis it happened during the Great Patriotic War and continues to this day. It seems Comrade Stalin was far too generous to traitors there.

I'm pretty sure the majority of Western Ukrainians don't support the Nazis in any way and don't deserve things like this to be said about them.

[Goatpie]

Where the fuck are the leftists? Ukrainian leftists should be there protecting these veterns and fighting back against this scum. How the fuck do you guys ever expect to be respected by the people again if we can even protect them from fascists like we did in the old days :(

[Commissar Rykov]

I'm pretty sure the majority of Western Ukrainians don't support the Nazis in any way and don't deserve things like this to be said about them.

I never said the Majority I said Western Ukrainians have been the majority of Nazi Collaborators and supporters so it is hardly a surprise that their descendants would feel the same way. I doubt the majority of Ukrainians support them but it is obvious not many came out to fight them either while they assaulted Red Army Veterans.

[The Man]

Hey I'm curious,

I know that Russia, and a lot of Eastern European countries are having massive Neo-Nazi problems. But how are the Antifa movements in those countries?

The scary thing is, that these guys support some sort of violent "White Revolution", unlike the Neo-Nazis in america who wear costumes that look like they came from a bad Porn movie.

[Ocean Seal]

Hey I'm curious,

I know that Russia, and a lot of Eastern European countries are having massive Neo-Nazi problems. But how are the Antifa movements in those countries?

The scary thing is, that these guys support some sort of violent "White Revolution", unlike the Neo-Nazis in america who wear costumes that look like they came from a bad Porn movie.

That just made my day.

Aside from that I would say America doesn't really have Neo-Nazis (not a lot I mean). We have the Glenn Beck and crew: 3GR8QOHOa2M. They have signs that read: White slavery and shit all over tea party rallies. They do support white revolution, but to be honest the reason that they're not as dangerous is because I feel as if they're dumber and crazier than the European right. They're whole revolutionary war liberty crap contradicts mobilization for a fascist nationalist based movement. So they don't do much except spew bigotry and inspire ignorance.

[RedRaptor]

I know! It is weird that any Slavs of all people would support an ideology that saw them as undermen.

The only real "undermen" are the Nazi-scum that should all be rounded up and shot.

I wouldn't worry about this though, the Nazi-trash are just angry because they know they lost then, continue to lose now, and will always lose until none of them exist anymore.

They lowered the bar. The Slavs were only (undermen?) because they were Germany's enemy at the time. I also read that the majority at the time was less white looking then today because they took so many casualties. The more muslim, eurasian types were decimated because they weren't seen as human.
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The Nazis were powerful mother fuckers, we too easily forget that. They bombed the shit out of people they didnt see as human but when they fought people who were "White" like them they had a harder time killing them. I know, hard to beleive with the bombings and the shooting.
Anyway the Aryan bar was never as high as we like to push it. Blue eyes and blonde hair arent the only people "white" by their standards. If you hop around it long enough and read a little more about the Thule society its pretty much everyone that originates from Europe. As far south as Greece because thats what the thule society liked and based the Aryans off of. The Russians today are pretty white, I mean look at em. And if Italians were excepted as Aryan, look at southern Italians!, then Slavics are definently in the club now as long as they dont follow the Bolsheviks liek they used too.
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I got a few around here like that and it helps to understand them instead of just blindly throwing punches. You remind me of my one friend who thought the thule society were satan worshippers. Its painsful seeing someone argue from that point of view. Beating the shit out of them and running them off is your best bet but if you want to argue know what your arguing. Those Slav Nazis arent going to back off just because you tell them the sky is pink. You look like a stupid shit. They know theyre "Aryan" and even that aint an exclusive club. Shit the Japanese were asian-aryan.
I cant tell you want arguing points work. Because everyargument is made to be broken right? Gotta adapt.

[khad]

Why are you all so surprised? West Ukraine fought for the Nazis in WW2.

[MattShizzle]

Takes a really brave man to attack another man who is in his 80s at least. Had these punks faced these men back when they were young and defeated their hero Hitler they'd have run away crying like the cheap cowards they are.

[GallowsBird]

They lowered the bar. The Slavs were only (undermen?) because they were Germany's enemy at the time. I also read that the majority at the time was less white looking then today because they took so many casualties. The more muslim, eurasian types were decimated because they weren't seen as human.

Actually Slavs looked the same then as now... they look as "Eurasian" as ever...

* Undermen is the English form of Untermenschen as you would know if you were more familiar with the subject. It is a term that predates the Nazis (read Nietzsche) and was contrasted with Übermenschen (Overmen).


The Nazis were powerful mother fuckers, we too easily forget that.Really? I don't.


They bombed the shit out of people they didnt see as human but when they fought people who were "White" like them they had a harder time killing them. I know, hard to beleive with the bombings and the shooting.
Anyway the Aryan bar was never as high as we like to push it.
Blue eyes and blonde hair arent the only people "white" by their standards. Who likes to push it?:confused: Most people know that (despite pop culture's view of Nazi racial ideaology) it covered *MOST* European groups and "Aryanism" was not confined to the relatively rare (outside of Scandinavia and, ironically, some Balto-Slavic regions) blond hair and blue eyes.




If you hop around it long enough and read a little more about the Thule society its pretty much everyone that originates from Europe.I was actually reading about the Thule society the day before last (as I have on many occasions) and you seem to be confused in that the Thule society, though probably (in my opinion) an influence on the Nazi party, wasn't the same thing and had a slightly different ideological background than National Socialism, albeit both are either part of or influenced by the Ariosophic movements. And in the Thule and Nazi ideology it isn't everyone that originates from Europe per se, but those who are pure that originate from the Indo-European sphere. Saying that many groups were considered too "mixed" with "lesser peoples" to be considered truly Arian by the Nazi regime (hence "Gypsies" who are as Indo-Aryan as they come but were considered "mixed" and inferior).


As far south as Greece because thats what the thule society liked and based the Aryans off of. The Russians today are pretty white, I mean look at em. And if Italians were excepted as Aryan, look at southern Italians!, then Slavics are definently in the club now as long as they dont follow the Bolsheviks liek they used too. Firtly yes I have seen Southern Italians and Slavs as I have Italian and Slavic familty and have known many non-relatives in those groups.

Secondly since the birth of Nazism the Slavs were seen as inferior, and this was more due to the general racism against Slavs in the Right0wing of Western Europe than them being "enemies" at the time. Anti-Slavicism goes back a long time and their culture and appearence (yes Slavs, in many cases, look like Finno-Ugric peoples, Balts and Scandinavians... but that just shows the hypocrisy of the far right) which many see as more "Asiatic" than Western Europeans (hence all the racism towards that Russian actress Olga Kurylenko for looking like a "Mongol" and being "Attila The Hun's Granddaughter" when they dared cast her as a Briton in that roman film... I forget the name of it)... the latter point showing that there is still a bit of racism towards Slavs to this day as does the call to export all Polish workers out of the country. Anti-Slavicism pre-dates Nazism and will, sadly, be around for a long time after the Neo-Nazis have disapeared into the mists of time.


I got a few around here like that and it helps to understand them instead of just blindly throwing punches.:confused::confused::confused:


You remind me of my one friend who thought the thule society were satan worshippers.Why? I probably know more about the subject than you if your posts are anything to go by. And yes I know the Thule Society are not Satanists... I also know that the Nazi party is not identical with the Thule Society.


Its painsful seeing someone argue from that point of view. Beating the shit out of them and running them off is your best bet but if you want to argue know what your arguing.As I do. I doubt you don't. I wasn't actually arguing with anyone or anything, merely pointing out an opinion that happened to be in line with what Rykov had said. The truth is that (for whatever reason) the Slavs were classified as "Undermen" by the Nazi regime and thus it is deeply ironic (for whatever reason they had that classification) for Slavs to support Nazism... some supported the Nazis in the war even to their shame.


Those Slav Nazis arent going to back off just because you tell them the sky is pink.Who has suggested they will? I suggest they should be shot really (something as harsh as it is I stand by) if they can't change their ways.


You look like a stupid shit. Is that called for? It just makes you seem like a moron and Nazi/Thule Society (as those are the same in your book) apologist if we are all going to be blunt


They know theyre "Aryan" and even that aint an exclusive club.No, they think they are "Aryan". Aryan is a linguistic term that can only really be applied to speakers of Indo-Aryan languages. You should read up on the subjects you are criticising someone for not knowing enough about.


Shit the Japanese were asian-aryan. They were classed as honourary Aryans as they supported the Nazi war effort by being allies and the Nazis didn't want to offend their allies by classing them as inferior. This shows the hypocrisy of Nazi Germany more than anything.


I cant tell you want arguing points work.:confused::confused::confused::confused::conf used::confused::confused::confused::confused::conf used::confused::confused::confused::confused::conf used:
Ad Infinitum!


Because everyargument is made to be broken right? Gotta adapt.Ok.... :rolleyes:

[Chicxulub]

Just to let you know, anyone who insults Stalin is spitting in the face of the veterans as much as the neo-nazis, since any Russian can tell you that the veterans are usually hardline Marxist-Leninists in the Stalinist tradition.

[Chambered Word]

Just to let you know, anyone who insults Stalin is spitting in the face of the veterans as much as the neo-nazis, since any Russian can tell you that the veterans are usually hardline Marxist-Leninists in the Stalinist tradition.

Trying to exploit the topic for the purpose of ideological point-scoring? :rolleyes:

[unpopularfreedomfront]

Fucking fascist scum. Deserve to have the shit kicked out of them. Terrorising brave WW2 veterans and their families, an absolute disgrace. I have been in Ukraine 3 times over the last 2 years or so and both times close to Lvov - never saw anything llike this. Although I know there is in some quarters a lot of anti-Russian sentiment in western Ukraine. I have no time for Stalin but these veterans deserve our full respect.

[PhoenixAsh]

Just to let you know, anyone who insults Stalin is spitting in the face of the veterans as much as the neo-nazis, since any Russian can tell you that the veterans are usually hardline Marxist-Leninists in the Stalinist tradition.

You know... A lot of Dutch resistance fighters were executed during WWII shouting "Long Live Stalin"...

When my grandfather learned of what happend in the USSR he wept....and when he was 80 he still wept when that was mentioned. Not only because of the crimes committed under Stalin and the absolute betrayal of everything socialism stands for....but because Stalins actions spit right in the face of the freedom fighters, revolutionaries and resistance movements all across the world who genuinely believed that the USSR was a model society on its way to socialism.

So...yes..what happens here in the Ukrain is horrible. Its absolutely horrible. And what is aggravating the horror of it all is that it can be partially blamed on the actions that happened in the USSR and THAT my friend is something you should be very, very well aware of.

The failure of the USSR to bring socialism and what it did is now one of the root causes of the rise of Nazism, nationalism and anti-leftwing revolutionary tendencies there.

[Sasha]

yup, an comrade who served with my grandpa's brothers on the IBs in spain first ended up in an concentration camp there of franco. He then joined the resistance when he got back home and survived an nazi concentration camp.
guess where he died? of starvation in the gullag for starting an independent soviet in his workplace when he moved to the USSR..

that is an spit in the face of veterans..

you know when my family, who lost first people in the brigades in spain and then many in the communist resistance, gave up on communism? after the tanks moved into hungary....

that was an spit in the face of the veterans.

[nuisance]

3GR8QOHOa2M
The Vegan Marxist?

[El Chuncho]

These Neo-NAZIs are showing their bravery like they show their great family families by beating their wives and abusing children. It is not surprising that these cowards would attack heroic comrades who fought against the clowns those scum worship.

[Sasha]

*trashed the flame fest, verbal warnings all-around but banned Chicxulub for crossing some serious lines*

[hatzel]

Undermen is the English form of Untermenschen as you would know if you were more familiar with the subject. It is a term that predates the Nazis (read Nietzsche) and was contrasted with Übermenschen (Overmen).

Not to kick up a fuss or anything with my pedantic approach to forum-life and any feint mention of Nietzsche, but the word Untermensch is nothing to do with Nietzsche. Übermensch was, yes, but his antithesis of sorts to the Übermensch was der letzte Mensch, but, of course, the existence of der letzte Mensch would mean that the existence of the Übermensch would be impossible, explaining why the Nazis would feel obliged to adopt a new 'antithesis', so that there could be a conflict between the Übermenschen and the Untermenschen. Not to say that the Übermensch of Nietzsche had anything to do with the subsequent Übermensch of the Nazis, but the Untermensch definitely has no precedence in Nietzsche's writings...and if it did, he would no doubt have applied it to none other than German nationalists, who he famously decried :lol:

[Kiev Communard]

As a denizen of Ukraine, I would like to clarify some things here.

Firstly, the majority of WWII veterans here are not "Marxist-Leninists in hardline Stalinist position", as was claimed here - in fact, they are either apolitical or broadly centre-left, while a minority of veterans is indeed Stalinist.

Secondly, the march in Lviv was organized by Russian nationalist "Rodina" ("Fatherland") Party, which does not generally differ from Ukrainian national conservatives of "Svoboda" ("Freedom") Party in its ideological program, as they both push for totalitarian, corporatist State, with the fusion of "patriotic entrepreneurs" with State apparatus, and are both racist, anti-migrant and homophobic. So in fact, the clashes there were mainly between two different fascist factions, with WWII veterans sadly being manipulated by "Rodina" functionaries. The few members of Antifa movement who fought with "Svoboda" thugs in Lviv are mainly anarchist in their political convictions, so it was not "Marxist-Leninist vs. Neo-Nazi" struggle, it was a fight between two different group of ethnic nationalists, one of which (i.e., "Rodina") exploits Soviet symbolism for its unsavory political aims, with some leftists fighting against "Svoboda" but not aligning themselves with equally despicable "Rodina".

[GallowsBird]

Not to kick up a fuss or anything with my pedantic approach to forum-life and any feint mention of Nietzsche, but the word Untermensch is nothing to do with Nietzsche. Übermensch was, yes, but his antithesis of sorts to the Übermensch was der letzte Mensch,

Ah, yes. You are correct that Untermenschen was not a big part of Nietzschean thought. That was my mistake. However you are wong in stating the term has nothing to do with Nietzsche as he used it in Die Fröhliche Wissenschaft (albeit in a different context) and the term Undermen was used by Stoddard as a reference to the Nietzschean concept of the Overman while of course completely misunderstanding it.


but, of course, the existence of der letzte Mensch would mean that the existence of the Übermensch would be impossible, explaining why the Nazis would feel obliged to adopt a new 'antithesis', so that there could be a conflict between the Übermenschen and the Untermenschen. Not to say that the Übermensch of Nietzsche had anything to do with the subsequent Übermensch of the Nazis, but the Untermensch definitely has no precedence in Nietzsche's writings...and if it did, he would no doubt have applied it to none other than German nationalists, who he famously decried :lol:


That is true. I wasn't implying Nietzsche was in anyway a Nazi or supported racist nationalism... though a few Nazis did support a very corrupted view of Niezschean philosophy... but of course anything can be corrupted.