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redstar2000
1st October 2003, 13:31
Generally, I dislike long "cut & paste" posts as much as most people.

This one is an exception--a criticism of Cuba from the anarchist position.

I think it should give us all something to think about.

:redstar2000:

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Proletarian solidarity? A large delegation of syndicalists arrive in La Havana to the sound of La Marseillaise. Because paper supports anything that is written on it, it is stated that they came to "strengthen the bonds of friendship and exchanges with the Cuban workers from the food industry", already established for a decade. But they did not visit the crumbling, half-paralyzed or non-productive factories of this industry, they did not care to inform themselves about the hard reality these workers must endure and even less, the systematic violation of the workers labour and social rights. Either they didn't have time or it was not "part of the programme" for the virtual visit to this paradise of "revolutionary" labour.

They were met by Pedro Ros Leal, general secretary of the Cuban Workers' Central, at the headquarters of the institution [a branch of the Cuban Communist Party - tr]. There, they only hear talk about productivity, victories, emulations, great achievement at work, efficient ways to better the quality of life, all those nonexistent facts on the other side of those doors in this building where they tend the tomb of the Cuban workers' rights. The members of the Agro-food Federation (FNAF) of the French CGT had no opportunity to witness "in situ" the reality behind the cocktails, the "Cuba Libres" and other liquid and solid specialties offered to them by those "representing" the Cuban proletariat.

With a monthly income of 265 pesos - ten dollars at the official exchange rate - the workers in the Cuban food industry from can buy just one litre of oil, a kilo of meat and some instant soup cubes to survive for the whole month.

Beyond that they need - but have no right to demand - minimal decent working conditions, shoes and clothing, adequate tools and machinery, or respect for the collective work agreements between the unions and the bosses - the State - as there are about 58,000 workers who, subjected to the different so-called stimulation systems for production results, services and a reduction of costs for raw materials, received just 57% of their earnings for the year 2000, and less than that for 2001 and 2002.

Not to mention the lack of liberty to organise themselves in self-managed unions, independently from the State.

This reality, where frequently there are disgraceful situations regarding obligations outside working hours, namely ideological and political brain-washing, was surely not brought to the attention of the FNAF by the CTC officials.

While Christian Alliawne, general secretary of the FNAF and head of the visiting delegation was saying "surely from now on, this already close relationship will become even closer", the independent syndicalists Miguel Galván Gutiérrez, Carmelo Díaz Fernández, Pedro Pablo Alvarez Ramos, Nelson Molinet Espino, Héctor Raúl Valle Hernández, Lázaro Felipe Fuentes and Iván Hernández Carrillo, are suffering prison sentences of between 12 and 26 years in different prisons on the Island, for having defended the rights of a working class which, according to the French delegation, lives in liberty, something only possible due to their blindness or to the exploiters' confabulations.

If in Cuba there is no freedom; if equality is a dream and fraternity a sarcasm, the unavoidable question is: why don't they go elsewhere with their Marseillaise and stop playing the game of those who, instead of representing the workers and their interests, repress and exploit them, and try to hide all this by firing people from their jobs or throwing them into prison or, at the very least, manipulating information?

If the Cuban-French syndicalist encounter was in reality for the good of the workers, the French syndicalists should have demanded that their Cuban peers, as a bare minimum, put into practice the conventions of the International Labour Organisation (ILO), something which would have represented a true act of solidarity.

The Cuban proletariat today is subjected to double oppression: by international Capital, which is once more getting its claws into the Island, making it again a paradise for exploiters, and by the Castrofascist dictatorship that refuses the right to self-organisation and, with this, the right to strike and to demand better living conditions. This is why the proletariat comes back to the fore of History and opposes itself clearly to the Capital and the State.

The present-day fight of the Cuban proletariat against Castroist totalitarianism is remarkable for its increasing tendency to self-organise and for its proletarian practice against capitalist exploitation, against the State, for their living conditions and in defiance of the impositions of the party and the official union.

For international solidarity! Solidarity with the Cuban People, not with Castro! For the revolutionary destruction of the market society! For Libertarian Communism!

Cuban Libertarian Movement (in Exile) September 2003 [source: red-libertaria.net ] [translation by A-Infos]

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Two small points, one good, one bad.

To appeal to the "conventions" of the "International Labor Organization" demonstrated either foolishness or ignorance. The ILO is international capital's "tame" labor organization. You might just as well "appeal" to the World Bank!

On the other hand, the demand for the revolutionary destruction of the market society is, in my view, entirely correct!

Not because it is "do-able" in the immediate future (in Cuba), but because it shows the right direction to take.

I look forward with interest to your comments.

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commie kg
1st October 2003, 16:33
Good stuff, that was. This is something that I think alot of people here need to read. Castro really isn't much better than any statist. A State is a state, no matter who leads it. Communists should be interested in putting down the state, not building it up. This criticism is valid, and because of reasons mentioned in it, I believe that Castro's Cuba won't last inside of ten more years.

ElRuso1967
1st October 2003, 16:51
You have to remember though that the cuban people have benefited from the castro government in many different ways, such as improved healthcare and education and the rejuvenation of national culture are some examples to name but a few. cuban citizens are still far better off than when the americans were in control. Viva Che! Viva Fidel! Viva La Revolucion! :che: :cuba: :castro:

JohnTheMarxist
1st October 2003, 17:20
It is hard enough to make the transition to socialism at this time when the world is controlled by capitalists. You are naive if you think a socialist state could transform into a communist society right now. If the government was dismantled in Cuba, Americans would be invading the island. the world must be socialist before it can make the final transition to communism. There is still the ever present threat of counter revolution in Cuba.

Alejandro C
1st October 2003, 18:11
Times are hard in Cuba that is very true.
but times are hard for everyone. every single person in cuba is having to sacrifice together. there may not be lots of material wealth in cuba, but the people are strong. they are strong in spirit and strong in cubanadad. are we to think that other countries in latin america are better off than cuba, certainly not. times are hard because the country is struggling, largely due to the US embargo. i'm not saying that if the embargo was lifted things in cuba would improve tremendously. they would improve to the point of acceptability. right now though cuba has the best healthcare in latin america they simply can not get ahold of the pharmacuedicals that they need. this is because of the embargo. they cannot get the equipment for building houses. as there is a huge housing shortage, especially in Habana, they have to use valuable manual labor.
it seems to me that Fidel is doing things right, but its just not working. its not working because there is no support internationally. there is only opposition and a crippling embargo.
The power of fidel will last as long as he is alive. less than a decade? maybe, but only because fidel is already in his late 70's.
Cuba derserves the respect of all of us here. the people there live as a sacrifice so that everyone can have something. they are the best example of a truely revolutionary people.
viva Che! Viva Fidel! Viva la Revolution!
Hasta la Victoria Siempre

commie kg
1st October 2003, 19:49
Cuba will never achieve communism, not under Castro's "socialism." Sorry to say it guys, but Cuba won't last. Not another 10 years.

Rastafari
1st October 2003, 19:52
Thats what they said 40 years ago

Alejandro C
1st October 2003, 19:56
Cuba will last as long as Fidel lasts, nothing you could say could change my mind about that. if Fidel lives for another 30 years, cuba won't change governments or social system for 30 years.

if a democrat is elected next year the embargo might have a good chance of being lifted. Cuba's future might be brighter than you think.

commie kg
1st October 2003, 19:56
Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 11:52 AM
Thats what they said 40 years ago
We'll see what happens when Castro dies.

ElRuso1967
1st October 2003, 19:58
I will laugh in commie kg's face when he's proved wrong. the revolution has lasted this long, who's to say that it wont last for another 40 years? or 400 years for that matter? :che: :cuba: :castro:

Rastafari
1st October 2003, 20:06
I'm not disagreeing with you at all CommieKG-you can't survive that close to a cappie powerhouse as a socialist country. Once they run out of shit to do in the middle east, they will start on South America as a whole.

ElRuso1967
40 Years-Maybe/Probably
400 Years-No

Sabocat
1st October 2003, 20:54
Redstar, this article was a bit discouraging. Do you think the conditions of the farmers with regards to their wages and living conditions has anything to do with the U$ embargo, or is this simply a product of
Fidel's management?

I would disagree that the end is near for Cuba's experiment however. I think (and hope) that Fidel has planned for his demise and hopefully his replacement will carry on the good fight. I think if it is indeed Raul, that will be the case.

ElRuso1967
1st October 2003, 21:20
Im glad that many people arent just sitting back and letting redstar chuck dirt at cuba. thank you comrades! viva la revolucion! :che: :cuba: :castro:

Rastafari
1st October 2003, 21:27
is redstar doing the chucking?

ElRuso1967
1st October 2003, 23:09
it certainly seems that way comrade

Alejandro C
1st October 2003, 23:12
i didn't think so. the article seems true and all he did was give the article. there are some horrible things about Cuba, though none of them are anyone's fault directly. they are merely poor conditions that cannot be helped.

redstar2000
2nd October 2003, 00:07
First, let's look at the document itself. It was written by a group called "Cuban Libertarian Movement (in exile)."

In exile where? If not in the United States, that boosts its credibility. If in the United States, that sharply detracts from the document's credibility and even suggests the possibility that the authors could be a "front group" for Cuban reactionaries.

Now consider the food rations mentioned and the de facto pay cuts. Unlike North Korea, there are no reports (to my knowledge) of wide-spread malnutrition in Cuba...which suggests that there are other sources of food that the document didn't mention.

Then consider the list of political prisoners--if they are that. Who are those people? What were they convicted of? When did this happen? Were they among the "mercenary dissidents" that used to hang out at the U.S. Interests building in Havana? Did the government decide to round up a few "pesky anarchists" along with the mercenary dissidents?

Consider the use of the terms "Castrofascist" and "Castro totalitarianism"...does that strike you as rhetorical "overkill"? It does me.

Now consider the central premise of the document: the right of workers to organize independent, self-governing unions. What would happen if this demand were achieved?

As most of you know, Cuba presently has a two-tier economy. Those who work in the tourist industry as well as those who receive money from family members in the U.S. are able to shop in "hard-currency" stores and live, on the whole, pretty decently.

The rest of the Cuban working class is basically fucked...they survive, but life is pretty grim.

If they had their own unions that they ran themselves, they would strike for real wage gains in hard-currency. Since the economy couldn't meet that demand, the government would fall.

The new government would set out to meet those demands by completely capitulating to U.S. imperialism...in exchange for a huge loan from the International Monetary Fund/World Bank.

Within a few years, the wage gains would be withdrawn and most Cubans would find themselves right back in the shit...rather like Argentina.

All of which ultimately rests on the material conditions of a country like Cuba...poor in resources, industrially undeveloped, etc.

Does this mean, therefore, that Cuban workers "shouldn't be allowed" to organize their own unions under their own control?

Of course not! What it means is that such a demand must be coupled with an understanding of material reality.

What should an independent workers' union in Cuba demand...and strike for, if necessary?

That all hard-currency earnings and gifts be distributed equally to all Cuban workers!

What is happening right now in Cuba is that those who do have access to hard-currency see the difference between their lives and the lives of those who don't...which must lead, sooner or later, to the conclusion that it would be "a good thing" if the Yanquis were to return.(!)

Those who don't have access to foreign currency also notice the lives of those who do...and become cynical and demoralized--eventually concluding also that maybe their lives would improve if the Yanquis returned.

The two-tier economy is destroying the Cuban revolution right before our eyes...and it has nothing to do with the projected life-span of the Castro brothers.

So...is this a legitimate document that actually represents Cuban anarchists?

I honestly don't know.

I would like to say to anyone who thinks I am "throwing dirt on the Cuban Revolution" that this is a political message board, not a fan club. The obligation of revolutionaries is to analyze political reality as carefully as we can...not to cheer lead or genuflect on ceremonial occasions.

This is not a church!

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Vinny Rafarino
2nd October 2003, 01:14
Originally posted by commie [email protected] 1 2003, 07:49 PM
Cuba will never achieve communism, not under Castro's "socialism." Sorry to say it guys, but Cuba won't last. Not another 10 years.
Blaming that on comrade Castro is nutty. Yes, socialism probably won't last in Cuba after comrade Casto dies, but at least lay the blame on the approprate party. The USA. To deny this is ridiculous.

Blackberry
2nd October 2003, 11:07
Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2003, 10:07 AM

Title: Cuban Anarchists

First, let's look at the document itself. It was written by a group called "Cuban Libertarian Movement (in exile)."

In exile where? If not in the United States, that boosts its credibility. If in the United States, that sharply detracts from the document's credibility and even suggests the possibility that the authors could be a "front group" for Cuban reactionaries.


Actually RedStar, they are not anarchists, even though you found them on an anarchist news source. They are in fact "libertarian communists". I believe that the Libertarian Association of Cuba is anarchist. Your questions will be answered further down.

[I wrote a long reply to this thread, before finding out that they weren't anarchist. The CLM striked me as a bit strange. I think it's best to read up on groups before relating them to anyone.]


Did the government decide to round up a few "pesky anarchists" along with the mercenary dissidents?

Ignoring everything else you wrote in that paragraph, I will briefly explain via quotes the anarchist position, as well as many other ordinary people (this is excluding those pro-U.S.) in Cuba, especially after the alliance with the USSR.

"After participating in the struggle against Batista in previous years, the anarchists rejected Castro in early 1960, and adopted a combative attitude toward the government. Ultimately, their publications, El Libertario and Solidaridad Gastrdriomica, were suppressed. The only recourse was to go underground, and then into exile."

"The underground resistance process had two stages. The first commenced with the clandestine publication of Nuestra Palabra Semanal (Our Weekly Message), organ of the Movement for Trade Union Action, (Movimiento de Accion Sindical. MAS), with the purpose of general information for the workers and the people."

"The second stage was that of exile, either through a sympathetic embassy or illegally. In 1961 the Cuban Libertarian Movement (Movimiento Libertario Cubano ; MLC) was founded in the United States. They maintained contact with the remains of the ALC in Cuba." (It is here where the CLM, the libertarian communists are mentioned, and it answers your questions in your first quote above. They probably do contain some anarchists though, considering the connections and as some anarchists went into exile to the USA.)

There was also around two-decade's worth of work after this, apparently, to convince anarchists worldwide that Castro was not the revolutionary that he was made out to be.


To appeal to the "conventions" of the "International Labor Organization" demonstrated either foolishness or ignorance. The ILO is international capital's "tame" labor organization.

[I think this should've been the part where doubts should've come in about their alleged anarchism.]

From what I know, the ILO is a UN specialised agency. And from what I read above, the CLM only appealed to Castro to follow their conventions as a bare minimum.

redstar2000
2nd October 2003, 11:45
Thanks for the information, Comrade James.

I did indeed make an unjustified assumption that those folks were anarchists based on the news service that translated and distributed their document.

And you've made me more than a little skeptical of their "libertarian communism" as well.

Here's why. In 1960-61, things were politically very fluid in Cuba. At the same time, it was pretty clear that the United States would not be happy with anything less than continued dominance (economic and political) of that country.

Why then relocate in the United States? If those people were genuine revolutionaries, why didn't they seek refuge in Mexico, for example? Mexico, in fact, has a long tradition of welcoming leftist refugees and has, on the whole, treated them well (that may no longer be the case, by the way, but it was certainly still the case in 1961).

It just doesn't "make sense" for any politically decent Cuban to emigrate to the United States...the country that fucked over Cuba for 60 years.

Also by the way, the last I heard of the ILO, they were supporting the "strike" (lockout) that took place in the attempt to overthrow the Chavez government in Venezuela. It's difficult to imagine that a libertarian communist wouldn't be aware of that.

And you would think that real libertarian communists would have included a sentence or two attacking Castro's "Marxism"...instead of using phrases like "Castrofascism" or "Castro totalitarianism". That last word, in fact, is usually a signifier of conservative opinion.

All in all, a very puzzling affair.

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