Things they don't teach in History class

[B.H.]

Did you know?

----Back in the early 1900's thousands of workers went on strike in Colorado against John D. Rockerfeller. Rockerfeller became frustrated with the event and HIRED the NATIONAL GUARD out of is OWN pocket to go run the strikers off. The strikers refused to budge, so the Guardsmen machine gunned lots of men , women, and children.This was done at Rockerfeller's behest and was not authorized by the governor of Colorado.

Did you know?

----It has always been assumed that racism was created by rich whites to divide the poor whites and blacks. Howard Zinn in his "A People's History of the United States" actually produces primary sources where rich people admit such in their letters to one another. It is now proven and documented.


Did you know?

----The United States trained the "death squads" in El Salavador which terrorized the civilian population for a large part of the 1980's and 1990's.

Did you know?

---The CIA and FBI both have been investigated by Congress and disciplined for killing people here in the states without jurisdiction to do so. They have also served as a domestic KGB to keep tabs on presidential political enemies.

Did you know?

----People actually starved to death over here during the Great Depression.

Did you know?

---The United States had decripted the Japanese Naval Codes before the bombing of Pearl Harbor and that FDR saw such reports of what was intercepted on a daily basis. This was not the civilian code diplomats use that the US had broken---like a lot of FDR apologists try to make it out to be. This was the actual navy encrypted code which was used to send the authorization to attack Pearl Harbor.


Did you know?

----A declassified document known as the "Northwoods Document" endorses the use of government sponsored terrorism against our own citizenry (and assasination) as a way to get the country to go to war against a certain power our elite wants conquered. *The government would do the dirty work to their own people and then lie and say the other country did it unprovoked as an attack on freedom, ect.

[Sabocat]

Yeah. Most of this stuff is in Howard Zinn's "A Peoples History of the United States" and William Blum's "Killing Hope"

Awful stuff huh?

[shakermaker]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 10:17 AM
Awful stuff huh?
yeah, but hey it's united states...so what else you could expect?
B.H write more!

[Hate Is Art]

you know i read and that and wasn't suprised, god bless the land of the free!

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Did you know?

"Thousands of government experiments did take place at hospitals, universities, and military bases around the nation...these experiments were kept secret...And they were shrouded not for a compelling reason of national security, but for the simple fear of embarrassment, and that was wrong." B. Clinton, former US president.

What he meant is the MKultra/MK-ULTRA project. MKultra the code name of a secret CIA mindcontrolling project. Which started in the 1950's and probaly still continues. The CIA investigated different ways to control minds. They tried it with with LSD drug and hypnosis. There is no discussion possible about the immorality of this project, as this intern CIA note indicates.

"Precautions must be taken not only to protect operations from exposure to enemy forces but also to conceal these activities from the American public in general. The knowledge that the agency is engaging in unethical and illicit activities would have serious repercussions in political and diplomatic circles."

It included giving killing orders to unfortunate citizens and letting soldiers fuck under influence of LSD. There was even a scheme to influence foreign leaders, such as Fidel Castro by drugging them.

based on: http://peyote.com/jonstef/mkultra.htm#mk1
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA

[B.H.]

Was the Ft. Van Dorn "massacre" ever proven true? Back in World War Two a couple of thousand black soldiers were supposedly murdered in Mississippi at Camp Van Dorn because they were not willing to be victims of racism. Carroll Case in his book "The Slaughter" discusses this incident and had a few eyewitness interviews as well as discussions with people in the know.


People ***** about what a bastard Stalin supposedly was, but if this shit about Camp Van Dorn is true, how do we know that we don't have a whole lot of mass graves in the US that they don't tell us about?

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 12:36 AM
Did you know?

----Back in the early 1900's thousands of workers went on strike in Colorado against John D. Rockerfeller. Rockerfeller became frustrated with the event and HIRED the NATIONAL GUARD out of is OWN pocket to go run the strikers off. The strikers refused to budge, so the Guardsmen machine gunned lots of men , women, and children.This was done at Rockerfeller's behest and was not authorized by the governor of Colorado.

Did you know?

----It has always been assumed that racism was created by rich whites to divide the poor whites and blacks. Howard Zinn in his "A People's History of the United States" actually produces primary sources where rich people admit such in their letters to one another. It is now proven and documented.

Did you know?

----A declassified document known as the "Northwoods Document" endorses the use of government sponsored terrorism against our own citizenry (and assasination) as a way to get the country to go to war against a certain power our elite wants conquered. *The government would do the dirty work to their own people and then lie and say the other country did it unprovoked as an attack on freedom, ect.
Yep... the Ludlow massacre... I got a handout about it called "The Shameful Ludlow Massacre" in my most progressive history class in high school--the teacher taught from Zinn's book.

About racism as an excuse for slavery, I think Bennett treats this well in his history Before the Mayflower--sorry, I cannot come up with specific chapters.

I would like to know more about this "Northwoods Document"...

[B.H.]

On the Northwoods Document check out this site:

http://www.infowars.com/northwoods.htm

[Iepilei]

It was a plan proposed by Lemmitzer because he couldn't rally enough public support (nor presidential) to launch his war against Cuba. They also proposed destroying John Glenn's spacecraft and fabricating evidence to "prove" radio interferance on behalf of the Cubans.

Did you know that the NSA began abandoning listening posts during the Vietnam war as early as 1968? By 1970, they had full orders to withdraw all encryption machines which were used to break Uncle Ho's "encryption warrior" codes - as well as assorted soviet intelligence filtered through the waves. However, not all devices were extracted and/or destroyed. As the US embassy evacuated it's final citizens from Saigon, North Vietnamese soldiers seized a warehouse full of cipher machines - amongst the highest priority of the US intelligence community. The only thing the cipher machines lacked were keys.

Ironically, at the same time, a man by the name of "John Walker" was supplying the Kremlin with the newest cipher codes as they were being produced. The fall of Saigon - coupled with the constant extraction of data by "John Walker" resulted in the greatest and most humiliating compromise of intelligence the CIA and the NSA has ever faced.

[RBG Soldier]

Did you know that America was called the Turtle Island by the Original Inhabitants. Did you know that what is today called africa is a greek word for without cold. Did you know Egypt original name was Kemet. Did you know Jesus real name is Yoshua Ben Yoseph and that the word Christ is greek for annoited. Did you know the book of moses were taking out of the Egyptian Book of Dead. The country europe was name after a Afrikan Goddess name europa. Thats all for today.
P.E.A.C.E.-PROPER EDUCATION ALWAYS CORRECTS EDUCATIONAL ERRORS

[MikeyBoy]

It is sad what the government does :(

[RBG Soldier]

The white image, of Christ, is really Cesare Borgia the second son of Pope Alexander
The Sixth of Rome. I could go on for days with all the MIS-EDUCATION we haven't recieve. I'll post some stuff tomorrow. PEACE-PLEASE EDUCATE ALL CHILDREN EVERYWHERE WITH THE TRUTH. "The Sky is the Limit and the Earth is my Foundation"-The Enlighten Mind

[Vinny Rafarino]

I did not think it took a genius to figure out that the white boy image of the character known as "Christ" was inaccurate. What's funny is that there are still people who adamantly believe that "Christ" just happened to be born a white boy in the Middle East. I actually heard a cracker once say that since "Christ" was white and the was also the "son of god", it meant that "god" was also white, so they are obviously the "chosen race".

Guess you can't argue with that!

[RBG Soldier]

I actually heard a cracker once say that since "Christ" was white and the was also the "son of god", it meant that "god" was also white, so they are obviously the "chosen race". - COMRADE RAF
LOL LOL. I can't help but laugh at that,

[Vinny Rafarino]

Indeed comrade, you hear the most amazing things from white people in the South.

[B.H.]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 2 2003, 04:39 AM
I did not think it took a genius to figure out that the white boy image of the character known as "Christ" was inaccurate. What's funny is that there are still people who adamantly believe that "Christ" just happened to be born a white boy in the Middle East. I actually heard a cracker once say that since "Christ" was white and the was also the "son of god", it meant that "god" was also white, so they are obviously the "chosen race".

Guess you can't argue with that!
Hey! I'm a Southern cracker I'll have you know. :P ;) :D .

Seriously, didn't a lot of the Christians here in the states throw a shit fit when it came out that many Polish and Eastern European churches portrayed Jebus as black in their icons?

[schumi]

They also claim that Jesus was a Jew with blond hair and blue eyes...AND he lived as a white man in the middle east...

interesting...

BTW: If adam and Eve were the only two people in the beginning of the world then how did their childeren got childeren again????? VERY STRANGE :P

[Jesus Christ]

http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-i.htm
its sad that they would stoop to that

[Dirty Commie]

Amerika is always gods chosen nation in the history books, students are told George washington was the gretaest man ever (slave owner who dared to say he believede in freendom) That without amerika, the world would live under an Iron fist dictatorship.

It's ninety percent bull shit you're taught in schools, you have to learn for yourself, not through the media, it's more lies and propaganda, Too many students (nine out of ten) don't give a damn about anyone except themselves, the amerikan government has won. The nation is mind washed. Bacteria is the last of our culture.

[Jesus Christ]

fact: George Washington spent over $150,000(not on todays terms) on ICE CREAM

:)

[B.H.]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 07:09 PM
http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-i.htm
its sad that they would stoop to that
That makes me just sick, sick, sick. They may criticise the communists and socialists for supposed great cruelty, but those guys are no different in their character.

[Iepilei]

people will believe selected information, just as easily as they would any other. you beat it into a person's skull long enough, they can justify any actions taken by any government.

[FistFullOfSteel]

they dont show the truth:ony of my teacher said that,if communism worked some guys (the state) would take more money what they deserved,that what he said.sometimes people critize me for being a commie :(

[RyeN]

Yo some Krakrs say that the light on the cross is supposed to burn white, like the chosen peoples color. Do these toothless inbred losers not know they follow a religion where Jewish people, who generaly are not white, are supposed to be the chosen people. So why do the idiots square out jewish people. Sometimes stupid people piss me off.

[truthaddict11]

George Washington and Thomas Jefferson grew and smoked hemp and the first american flag was made from hemp.

There is a confederate flag outside of Helen Keller's house even though she was a socialist and an early supporter of the NAACP.

Lincoln's childhood cabin in Kentucky was built many years after his death

[Ian]

I heard that the people who made Mt Rushmore were racists and that you can find KIGY (Klansmen I greet you) all over Mt Rushmore and the woods near it.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Essential books to study for U.S. history you will not get in class:

Lies My Teacher Told Me and Lies Across America by James W. Loewen
A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn

[synthesis]

The Pledge of Allegiance was written by a socialist.

http://archive.aclu.org/news/move/pledgeorigin.html

[Rastafari]

interesting. I had heard that before somewhere, but thanks for reminding me!

The Herbalist Verbalist touches on this point of miseducation wonderfully:
http://www.geocities.com/wailingwailers/Newtosh/Toshgun2.jpg
The things they taught me in school...were so much to make me a fool (http://www.iration.com/wailers/youcantfoolmeagain.html)

[(*]

Originally posted by Marxist in [email protected] 6 2003, 05:05 PM
Essential books to study for U.S. history you will not get in class:

Lies My Teacher Told Me and Lies Across America by James W. Loewen
A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn
I'm definitely going to buy Zinn's book tomorrow.

[Alejandro C]

Rasta-

that picture is the bomb(a claad).


peter tosh is my favorite prophet

when i saw that guitar in steppin razor x i fell out of my chair laughing. coolest guitar ever.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

DyerMaker,

Thanks for the link! I had no idea...

(*,

I loved Zinn's book. I am now reading his Declarations of Independence, and I would also recommend that. Be sure to post on my Zinn thread in Lit when you get into his book.

[Iepilei]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2003, 02:19 AM
The Pledge of Allegiance was written by a socialist.

http://archive.aclu.org/news/move/pledgeorigin.html
Indeed.

[Invader Zim]

---The United States had decripted the Japanese Naval Codes before the bombing of Pearl Harbor and that FDR saw such reports of what was intercepted on a daily basis. This was not the civilian code diplomats use that the US had broken---like a lot of FDR apologists try to make it out to be. This was the actual navy encrypted code which was used to send the authorization to attack Pearl Harbor.

Thats untrue, the USA did not have the equipment nor the staff to break the Japaneese codes, the British on the other hand, broke the Japaneese codes at Bletchley park (station X) and sent them to the US where they were lost.

A theory exists (which I believe) that the USA was looking for a reason to enter the war so as to pull the US out the depression and deliberatly "lost" the warning. But you notice that the US fleet was not in port... I wonder why? <_< And they say no warning? I doubt it.

[Rastafari]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2003, 02:27 PM
---The United States had decripted the Japanese Naval Codes before the bombing of Pearl Harbor and that FDR saw such reports of what was intercepted on a daily basis. This was not the civilian code diplomats use that the US had broken---like a lot of FDR apologists try to make it out to be. This was the actual navy encrypted code which was used to send the authorization to attack Pearl Harbor.

Thats untrue, the USA did not have the equipment nor the staff to break the Japaneese codes, the British on the other hand, broke the Japaneese codes at Bletchley park (station X) and sent them to the US where they were lost.

A theory exists (which I believe) that the USA was looking for a reason to enter the war so as to pull the US out the depression and deliberatly "lost" the warning. But you notice that the US fleet was not in port... I wonder why? <_< And they say no warning? I doubt it.
Agree completely. I&#39;ve also heard (which you won&#39;t like at all, buts its on a similar vein) that the UK had the message but didn&#39;t tell us about it. It all sounds like shit that History Professor Make up when they aren&#39;t getting laid.

[atlanticche]

in GCSE history we did the Cold War including the Cuban missile crisses
we were taught that MRBM&#39;s and ICBM&#39;s were shipped and installed in Cuba
which is complete and utter rubish
the USSR only planned to install IRBM&#39;s and MRBM&#39;s
as ICBM&#39;s before 90s had never been installed anywhere exept four that were installed in north-eastern Siberia and they didn&#39;t work
and no weopans were installed and no nuclear weapons ever arrived on the island

[Marxist in Nebraska]

About Pearl Harbor and the Pacific campaign of World War II:

There was considerable intelligence that was not acted on...

I have heard that the aircraft carriers (most vital ships in the fleet, slowest to rebuild) were not at Pearl Harbor, but less important ships were placed there. Pearl Harbor was not considered particularly secure by many military bigwigs.

FDR had a clear interest in starting the war with Japan, and also wanted to start war with Germany by some accounts as well, but needed the Axis to land the first blow so as to appear as the aggressor. In addition to war production ending the depression and focusing the growing anger of the workers on a foreign enemy, the U.S. was also conscious of vital resources in Southeast Asia such as rubber and tin--the region was the only source of these to the U.S. at the time.

What is uncontroversial is that the U.S. placed a trade embargo on Japan--no more dealing oil (I believe) and scrap metal. The Japanese war machine relied on these things, and had no choice but to encroach on U.S. colonial possessions. They made the attack on Pearl Harbor hoping to end the war before it started.

[B.H.]

My critics need to go read Robert Stinnett&#39;s "Day of Deceit" concerning FDR covering up the Japanese messages.

[Iepilei]

In regards to the Cuban Missle Crisis:

When President Kennedy addressed the nation, it had only been a day since the NSA Electronics Intelligence committee picked up the unique signals of the offense radar. There had been no confirmation of missle silos themselves until after the statement was made.

However, there WERE nuclear warheads on the island. US intel did not know if the missle systems were armed or merely awaiting shipments until the 1990s - much after the fact. All in all, there were 161 nuclear warheads, including 90 tactical nukes to be used against an invading force. The missles themselves were to be used as a protective mechanism, run by both Soviets and Cubans, to keep US imperialists out.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Rastafari+Oct 9 2003, 10:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rastafari @ Oct 9 2003, 10:50 PM)
[email protected] 9 2003, 02:27 PM
---The United States had decripted the Japanese Naval Codes before the bombing of Pearl Harbor and that FDR saw such reports of what was intercepted on a daily basis. This was not the civilian code diplomats use that the US had broken---like a lot of FDR apologists try to make it out to be. This was the actual navy encrypted code which was used to send the authorization to attack Pearl Harbor.

Thats untrue, the USA did not have the equipment nor the staff to break the Japaneese codes, the British on the other hand, broke the Japaneese codes at Bletchley park (station X) and sent them to the US where they were lost.

A theory exists (which I believe) that the USA was looking for a reason to enter the war so as to pull the US out the depression and deliberatly "lost" the warning. But you notice that the US fleet was not in port... I wonder why? <_< And they say no warning? I doubt it.
Agree completely. I&#39;ve also heard (which you won&#39;t like at all, buts its on a similar vein) that the UK had the message but didn&#39;t tell us about it. It all sounds like shit that History Professor Make up when they aren&#39;t getting laid. [/b]
No I dont dislkie it at all, infact it really wouldnt supprise me if it were true. We needed the support from the USA, and no amount of patriotic posturing will change that, and I am sure that the British war officials thought that as well. So that theory may very well be true.

[FistFullOfSteel]

fuck U.S GOVERMENT&#33;

[CubanFox]

In regards to drugging world leaders: the CIA tried to spray Fidel with LSD during a speech :blink:

[atlanticche]

i know this isn&#39;t history but in my Sociology class we were taught marxism in one lesson a complete sumary
in which we were taught that communism in China and the Soviet Union, marxism and socialism were all one thing
and we did an exercise consisting of the differences between a Capitalist school or a Communist school
as if it would make sense

[atlanticche]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2003, 08:21 PM
In regards to drugging world leaders: the CIA tried to spray Fidel with LSD during a speech :blink:
they also tried to get rid of his beard as they believed that if they got rid of his charisma no one would follow him

[Urban Rubble]

they also tried to get rid of his beard as they believed that if they got rid of his charisma no one would follow him

Ya I know, how fucking ridiculous is that ? As if, upon seeing their leader beardless, every Cuban would just abandon the Revolution.

There was also a plan to give him a poisoned diving suit, a poisoned cigar and an exploding cigar.

Here&#39;s a shocker you weren&#39;t taught: Bush stole the 2000 election. *gasp*

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 13 2003, 09:33 PM
Here&#39;s a shocker you weren&#39;t taught: Bush stole the 2000 election. *gasp*
Greg Palast, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, Chapter 1--everything one needs to know on the stealing of the 2000 election.