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Che a chara
9th May 2011, 22:36
by DAVID BADASH on MAY 6, 2011
in BIGOTRY WATCH,INTERNATIONAL,NEWS

Editors note: For the most up-​to-​date news on Ugandas Kill The Gays bill, visit our Uganda section. (http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/?s=uganda)

The Uganda Kill The Gays Bill, aka the Anti-​Homosexuality Bill (AHB) may be quickly on its way to becoming law, as the Uganda lame duck parliaments session comes to a fast close, possibly on May 11  just days from now. The bill, infamous around the world for its provision mandating the death penalty for anyone convicted of the crime of homosexuality, anyone convicted of same-​sex rape, anyone who is classified as a serial offender, even anyone with HIV, may or may not include the death penalty provision, according to author of the bill, David Bahati, who claimed last week he would concede the provision if it would move the bill into law. Many believe that concession to be a ruse. Contrary to a published AP report (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/ap-interview-death-penalty-provision-in-ugandas-anti-homosexual-bill-likely-to-be-dropped/2011/04/26/AFnHIIqE_story.html), the death penalty provision has not been dropped.

READ: Uganda: Kill The Gays Bill Moving Forward Unchanged, Contrary To Reports (http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/uganda-kill-the-gays-bill-moving-forward-unchanged-contrary-to-reports/news/2011/04/27/19308)

I know that the process of legislation is moving forward, said Bahati, according to a report from Warren Throckmorton (http://wthrockmorton.com/2011/05/06/david-bahati-hearings-took-place-today-on-ugandas-anti-homosexuality-bill/), who writes, Today, public hearings on Ugandas Anti-​Homosexuality Bill took place before the Parliamentary and Legal Affairs Committee, according to the bill author, David Bahati. In an interview, Bahati said that the Uganda Reform Commission and several religious leaders were on the list of those slated to provide testimony.

Bahati declined to say that the bill would be voted on next week, saying that the actual end of Parliament is not until May 18 when the 9th Parliament also begins. According to Charles Tuhaise, a researcher for parliaments research office, most of the business will be concluded by the end of next week. He told me that the hearings for the Marriage and Divorce Bill have concluded and those for the Anti-​Homosexuality Bill began today. Tuhaise said the antigay bill hearings will probably conclude on Monday.

No word yet from Uganda President Museveni, who recently stated he wanted the Kill The Gays Bill dropped, on whether he would sign it.

According to trusted reports, including Jim Burroway of Box Turtle Bulletin (http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/06/32390), the AHBs chances may be growing, as Uganda is currently experiencing great citizen unrest, and parliament sees passage of the bill as an opportunity to create a diversion.

Uganda has been rocked in recent weeks with rioting and demonstrations against rising gas prices, Burroway writes. The government has been responding with extraordinarily violent crackdown on dissent. One opposition leader was seriously injured and fled to neighboring Kenya for treatment. The disturbances even spilled onto the floor of Parliament, which had to suspend its session temporarily on Tuesday.

Relying on information from GayUganda (http://gayuganda.blogspot.com/2011/05/anti-homosexuality-bill-2009-political.html), Burroway adds that forces behind the bill see as an opportunistic diversion for the violence that is racking the country, but adds that the diversion also can work both ways. With most of the medias attention focus on the ongoing violence and protests, it could also be that the bills supporters see an opening for it to be passed when nobodys paying attention.

READ: Analysis: What Killed Ugandas Kill The Gays Bill And Is It Really Dead? (http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/analysis-what-killed-ugandas-kill-the-gays-bill-and-is-it-really-dead/politics/2011/03/25/18290)

The Kill The Gays Bill also mandates jail time for those who know of homosexuals but do not report them to authorities within 24 hours and offers a maximum of seven years prison time for even renting a room to someone who is homosexual. Any assistance to a gay man or lesbian would be considered criminal.

The bill reportedly was shelved in March, but Bahati  who has said he wants to kill every last gay person (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129422524)  appeared defiant, stating at the time, I think that the government is aware that 95 percent of Ugandans do not condone homosexuality. (http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/ugandas-kill-the-gays-bill-appears-to-be-dead/legislation/2011/03/25/18278)

One week later, supporters of the bill, lead by right-​wing zealot Pastor Martin Ssempa, presented to Speaker of the Uganda Parliament, Edward Ssekandi, a petition reportedly carrying two million signatures (http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/uganda-kill-the-gays-bill-returns-with-2-million-signature-petition/politics/2011/04/07/18558), demanding the Kill The Gays bill  also known as the Anti-​Homosexuality Bill  become law.

The Kill The Gays bill, which has also become known as the Bahati bill, is necessary  according to the team of Pastor Ssempa and David Bahati  because homosexuals are supposedly recruiting children in Uganda, and, the two claim, paying them large sums of money to have same-​gender sex or to become homosexual. The petition reportedly came with a list of nineteen organizations that they claim are promoting homosexuality in Uganda.

But no one has ever provided actual proof. Bahati, who has a Cardiff University MBA, has been repeatedly asked in this country by MSNBCs Rachel Maddow for any proof of these allegations. Bahati promised to provide it but never has.

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LINK: http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/uganda-kill-the-gays-bill-may-become-fast-tracked-into-law/news/2011/05/06/19681

Che a chara
9th May 2011, 22:37
Uganda: Stop the "Kill the Gays" Law Now

http://www.allout.org/en/petition/uganda

Bright Banana Beard
10th May 2011, 01:19
One good example why Christianity isn't even better than Islam.

Zav
10th May 2011, 01:24
Uganda: Stop the "Kill the Gays" Law Now

http://www.allout.org/en/petition/uganda
This explains why I am a militant atheist.

Os Cangaceiros
10th May 2011, 01:26
For a moment I thought that this legislation was actually officially titled "Kill the Gays Bill".

a rebel
10th May 2011, 01:31
One good example why Christianity isn't even better than Islam.

Are you implying that Islam is less of a religion? that's prejudice,

Also why are these Ugandan's so much more ignorant than us Americans?

(Oh irony)

RedRaptor
10th May 2011, 08:46
Wo! How bout we get the camera off of Uganda. Racists love the place and we dont want anyone here getting the wrong impression!

ComradeMan
10th May 2011, 10:18
One good example why Christianity isn't even better than Islam.

So one nutcase preacher and it's the whole of Christianity- also conveniently ignoring the plight of homosexuals under Shariah, i.e. Islamic, Law. :rolleyes:

A bit like the logic that rightwingers/anti-leftists use.... Pol Pot, Stalin etc... ergo the left is evil and these good examples prove why capitalism is better.

Thug Lessons
10th May 2011, 10:38
Uganda Kill The Gays Bill May Become Fast Tracked Into Law

RGacky3
10th May 2011, 11:37
Wo! How bout we get the camera off of Uganda. Racists love the place and we dont want anyone here getting the wrong impression!


No, how about not, how about you focus on gay people getting murdered, what a dumb statement, so because some idiot racists talk about, intelligent leftists should ignore it?

This is a human rights travesty, and Uganda should face sanctions.


So one nutcase preacher and it's the whole of Christianity- also conveniently ignoring the plight of homosexuals under Shariah, i.e. Islamic, Law. :rolleyes:

A bit like the logic that rightwingers/anti-leftists use.... Pol Pot, Stalin etc... ergo the left is evil and these good examples prove why capitalism is better.

Thats not what he was saying was he.

agnixie
10th May 2011, 12:31
Wo! How bout we get the camera off of Uganda. Racists love the place and we dont want anyone here getting the wrong impression!

How about we don't and remember that a lot of far right racists seem to love Uganda for the alliance of convenience the bigotry of this law provides.

Besides the fact that it's a serious human rights crisis.

Queercommie Girl
10th May 2011, 21:22
Wo! How bout we get the camera off of Uganda. Racists love the place and we dont want anyone here getting the wrong impression!

Anti-racism doesn't imply queerphobia can be ignored.

Queercommie Girl
10th May 2011, 21:26
So one nutcase preacher and it's the whole of Christianity- also conveniently ignoring the plight of homosexuals under Shariah, i.e. Islamic, Law. :rolleyes:

A bit like the logic that rightwingers/anti-leftists use.... Pol Pot, Stalin etc... ergo the left is evil and these good examples prove why capitalism is better.

But he didn't say Islam is better than Christianity either, he is just saying Christianity isn't better than Islam.

Both Christians and Muslims would have to make an effort to change the image of their religion among much of the queer community, just as leftists have the duty to improve the image of Marxism among significant sections of the world's population.

Delenda Carthago
10th May 2011, 21:30
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Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk
10th May 2011, 21:37
what a shitty fucking world we live in. its hard to be anything other than fiercely angry about this disgusting policy.

DrStrangelove
10th May 2011, 21:58
So one nutcase preacher and it's the whole of Christianity- also conveniently ignoring the plight of homosexuals under Shariah, i.e. Islamic, Law. :rolleyes:

A bit like the logic that rightwingers/anti-leftists use.... Pol Pot, Stalin etc... ergo the left is evil and these good examples prove why capitalism is better.

Thank you for missing the point. He isn't saying "Durr Hurr Islam good Christianity bad," he's saying "Both of these ridiculous fairy tales have devout followers that take their beliefs to an extreme level."

Christianity is just as equally bad and backwards as Islam.

ComradeMan
10th May 2011, 22:05
Thank you for missing the point. He isn't saying "Durr Hurr Islam good Christianity bad," he's saying "Both of these ridiculous fairy tales have devout followers that take their beliefs to an extreme level."

Christianity is just as equally bad and backwards as Islam.

Communism has had some pretty devout followers who take their beliefs to an extreme level.... Pol Pot? Just goes to show Communism is no better than Islam--- LOL!!!

RGacky3
10th May 2011, 22:14
No Pot Pot did not take communism to the extreme, it was'nt even communism, he took douch baggery to the extreme.

BTW, I don't know THAT much about Islamic theology, but when it comes to Christian theology, calling them extreme or even fundementalist christians is kind of stupid (as a christian), becuase they don't follow the fundementals of christianity.

So in a way, you made a good point, but not the point you were trying to make.

ComradeMan
10th May 2011, 22:17
No Pot Pot did not take communism to the extreme, it was'nt even communism, he took douch baggery to the extreme.

Well, I'd like to agree with you- but others seems to believe he was a communist and his movement not "so bad". ;)


BTW, I don't know THAT much about Islamic theology,

Well I suggest you research Shariah law and those who would wish to impose it to the letter first...

DrStrangelove
10th May 2011, 22:29
I live in the conservative south, and I have met many Christians who wish to instil certain laws in the book of Leviticus on paper. Namely the execution of gays and witches.

Christianity has its reactionary elements to it as well, and certain parts are on par with reactionary Islamic fundamentalists.

ComradeMan
10th May 2011, 22:34
I live in the conservative south, and I have met many Christians who wish to instil certain laws in the book of Leviticus on paper. Namely the execution of gays and witches.

Christianity has its reactionary elements to it as well, and certain parts are on par with reactionary Islamic fundamentalists.

Out of a population in the world of how many billion? Most of those types are too pig ignorant even to understand their own scriptures which don't really refer to either gays or witches.... but never mind, I know what you mean.

I think the difference is that with Shariah, there are actually Shariah states with Shariah police etc etc I think we need to distinguish between "Islam" (problematic as one monolith anyway) and groups of "Shariahists".

agnixie
11th May 2011, 00:27
Well, I'd like to agree with you- but others seems to believe he was a communist and his movement not "so bad". ;)



Well I suggest you research Shariah law and those who would wish to impose it to the letter first...

This is actually extremely vague or ignorant, as the Ottoman Empire's legal code was sharia law, and based on their jurisprudence, you could basically have a bourgeois liberal islamic state with equal status for women, gay rights (I'll note that they were one of the first countries in Europe to make homosexuality legal), etc.

And given that there are millions of members of these extremist churches, I'd say easily as many as there are Talibans (who had to throw away ottoman era jurisprudence to make their demented version of sharia stick). Neither religion is better, and you're reusing right wing talking points about sharia from the very same groups who basically salivate in thought at the religious control exerted by the Taliban.

Metacomet
11th May 2011, 03:14
Congrats American religious right.


The blood is on your hands.

Chicxulub
11th May 2011, 03:32
This explains why I am a militant atheist.

Oh shut up with your holier-than-thou (ironic, huh?) attitude about how religion creates "homophobia". Albania was the only nation on earth at one point that was officially state atheist, and yet according to wiki:


"Homosexuality carried harsh penalties under communist Albania, to which convicted homosexuals faced lengthy prison sentences and ill-treatment in prison."

so please, get off your high horse and don't act like atheists are not bigots--some of the most bigoted people I ever met personally are atheists. Obviously since I'm a communist, I'm an atheist myself but drop the BS about religion doing all this. you're anti-dialectical.

RGacky3
11th May 2011, 07:06
but others seems to believe he was a communist and his movement not "so bad". ;)


Yeah, there are like 2 of them and they are loony.

ComradeMan
11th May 2011, 08:34
This is actually extremely vague or ignorant, as the Ottoman Empire's legal code was sharia law, and based on their jurisprudence, you could basically have a bourgeois liberal islamic state with equal status for women, gay rights (I'll note that they were one of the first countries in Europe to make homosexuality legal), etc.

And given that there are millions of members of these extremist churches, I'd say easily as many as there are Talibans (who had to throw away ottoman era jurisprudence to make their demented version of sharia stick). Neither religion is better, and you're reusing right wing talking points about sharia from the very same groups who basically salivate in thought at the religious control exerted by the Taliban.


Except I am not talking about Islam----

The Ottoman Empire... great example...:thumbup1: .... and Turkey is a secular state officially....

Try Saudi Arabia....

agnixie
11th May 2011, 09:55
Except I am not talking about Islam----

The Ottoman Empire... great example...:thumbup1: .... and Turkey is a secular state officially....

Try Saudi Arabia....

Aside from the Salafis and Al-Qaeda, I doubt anyone is insane enough to envy the Saudis though. How did a thread about the very christian extremism of Uganda (this parliamentary party has strong ties to a number of fundamentalist funding sources in America) derive on Saudi Arabia anyway...

(And yes, I know that a) Turkey is secular, b) the Ottoman Empire is nearly one century dead and c) the post-Tanzimat reaction made it turn nearly as oppressive as Russia)

danyboy27
11th May 2011, 17:34
the thing is, comerademan, nobody here is saying that christianity is worst than islam, all the other guy been saying so far is that the muslim faith and christian faith cannot be compared in the sense that, both religions have its zealots, both religions have their good guys, and this law is an exemple on how christinianity, just like other faith, have its own wacko and zealots.

Even tho you could compare the number of zealots between the christian and the muslim in the 20th century and probably come up with a bigger number of muslim extremist than christian, It should be noted that the living conditions of muslim caused by colonisation and corporatism is the main factor of the rise of this kind of extremism.

if you would put the christian in the same environnement, chances are you would have a similar amount of christian extremists.

and this bill is a proof of that.

RGacky3
11th May 2011, 17:36
Comrademan seams intent on proving that Islam is evil.

ComradeMan
11th May 2011, 19:23
Comrademan seams intent on proving that Islam is evil.

Why would I want to do that? I am always careful to make it clear that when I talk about extremist groups I am not referring to all Muslims- by any means. Now, could you please support your assertion or stfu.

danyboy27
11th May 2011, 20:25
Why would I want to do that? I am always careful to make it clear that when I talk about extremist groups I am not referring to all Muslims- by any means. Now, could you please support your assertion or stfu.

Well, beccause you argued with someone who said that this bill was a proof that christianism was no better than islam.

Look maybe you dont think that, i dont know, gacky neither, that why he inserted the word seems in his sentence.

RGacky3
11th May 2011, 21:43
Why would I want to do that? I am always careful to make it clear that when I talk about extremist groups I am not referring to all Muslims- by any means. Now, could you please support your assertion or stfu.

It just looks that way, everytime religion comes up you jump on muslims, everytime islam comes up your on about fundementalism and so on, everytime the Isreali occupation you go on about the terrible palestinian leadership.

It just seams that way, out of seeing all your posts.

ComradeMan
11th May 2011, 22:39
It just looks that way, everytime religion comes up you jump on muslims, everytime islam comes up your on about fundementalism and so on, everytime the Isreali occupation you go on about the terrible palestinian leadership.

It just seams that way, out of seeing all your posts.


Bullshit...

RGacky3
12th May 2011, 16:43
all right, but hey, impressions are just that, impressions.

Che a chara
21st May 2011, 06:21
erm ....

jjnrLt3VuSM

:laugh: , :confused: or :crying: ?

Spawn of Stalin
21st May 2011, 06:30
Combo!
:laugh::confused::crying:

Property Is Robbery
21st May 2011, 06:45
:laugh: , :confused: or :crying: ?
just :crying:

Spawn of Stalin
21st May 2011, 06:53
Come on now, surely you can see the humour in the fact that this homophobe sounds like he is really enjoying describing scenes of gay people defecating on one another. He seems to be very excited by it.

Property Is Robbery
21st May 2011, 06:58
Come on now, surely you can see the humour in the fact that this homophobe sounds like he is really enjoying describing scenes of gay people defecating on one another. He seems to be very excited by it.
I can see humor in they "eat da poo poo", but it's just too damn despicable, it makes me sick.

Edit: :crying:

Viet Minh
21st May 2011, 15:45
Pastor Doctor Martin Sempa has done his research thoroughly! If it was just a meeting of homophiobic overcompensating idiots it would be hilarious, but the power that religion holds in many parts of Africa is terrifying, and watching this you know its not just an insane rant, its actually followed with violence and intimidation.

Spawn of Stalin
21st May 2011, 15:56
I can see humor in they "eat da poo poo", but it's just too damn despicable, it makes me sick.

Edit: :crying:
I would probably agree with you if the guy wasn't getting so into it. You can see that he really put a lot of effort into rehearsing those actions. I reckon he'd be pretty good in a gay scat film.

I mean he should still be shot....but at least he's funny.

Toppler
21st May 2011, 19:25
Just this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On3etueeGIg&feature=related

LIKE ICE CREAM LIKE ICE CREAM

Cork Socialist
21st May 2011, 19:57
erm ....

jjnrLt3VuSM

:laugh: , :confused: or :crying: ?

I really cant tell if that is a serious video or a group of people taking the piss.

Dr Mindbender
22nd May 2011, 01:28
erm ....

jjnrLt3VuSM

:laugh: , :confused: or :crying: ?

On3etueeGIg