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Eastside Revolt
9th May 2011, 00:43
Call for an escalated Anti-Genetic Engineering Struggle from Silvia, Costa, Billy, and Marco on hunger strike May 1 to 28 (Switzerland)

http://325.nostate.net/?p=2334

From May 1 to 28 we undertake a new hunger strike on relays of seven days each, as a new joint initiative to provide continuity for the links and relationships already intertwined with other strikes and many initiatives of solidarity and struggles outside of prison, and also in response to attempts by the Swiss Federal Prosecutor and by international repression to denigrate, isolate and stamp out the struggle.

Attempts that will always be in vain in the face of our determination not to break the thread that binds ourselves to you comrades outside but instead continue to weave together, as part of the revolutionary movement, the movement of Earth and Animal Liberation.

A year ago, the beginning of the enormous catastrophe BP-Deep Water-Horizon confirms the principle of technoindustrial society that its technological remedy to the technological disaster will always be worse than the disease that it claims to cure, adding instead to one destruction another greater destruction. In this case the chemical agent of secret nanotech composition with unknown consequences experimentally sprayed in huge quantities in the marine environment.

A secret composition like that of the chemical released at high pressure along with sand and water deep underground for the, thanks to new technologies, gas drilling or oil shale extraction, which is to say, not more of the natural gas in large bubble on the way to depletion, but more of the gas content in a myriad of bubbles contained in the clay-like shale layers. With easily-imagined disastrous consequences such as earthquakes and further chemical pollution in surface water and groundwater. Emblematic is the proliferation of corporate advertising in the media for gas as a green energy that with Fukushima (http://325.nostate.net/?tag=nuclear-disaster) have replaced those for nuclear energy as clean energy…

And images of northern Japan have entered our homes and our cells with all of the impressive force of an unimaginable event.
The indomitability of the natural element lays bare in its entirety the anthropocentric presumption of technological-scientific progress and, along with the lives of thousands of people, swept away in one afternoon all of the certainties of urban society.

Everywhere around us, science, business and governments have shaped the existent, placing us all in suspension on an artificial self-regulating scaffold that is anything but solid: namely, industrial-technological society.

Over thousands of years of civilization, it is now condensing into its most total and global expression which is multinational capitalism, to whose harmful effects and illusions we are all forced to entrust our lives. With the stupid arrogance that throughout history has marked every dominant power, it cannot afford any questioning of itself and the present into which we are forced. Open to alterations, albeit always false solutions, only if they can reinforce its legitimacy, but that can not continue to reproduce in a continuous spiral whose circles are increasingly asphyxiating shrinking around us. Where the internal bio- and nano-technologies of this spiral that is detrimental to the system itself, are not simple and additional technological developments among many, but are the key technologies with which the whole edifice on which we are deported far away from our natural world is restoring and, inside of the techno-industrial spiral, representing the ring of the chain that goes to close the steel circle of dominion over our life and everything that exists.

Where the profitability-concern of the owners and of the multinational corporations is not so much that the masses must become dominated by material progress, but about the “limits” of this world. Then comes the need to obtain new materials, new materials and substances with new properties, new forms of energy production, new and ‘improved’ plant and animal species, new food applications, industrial and medical applications obtained by the manipulation of life and of matter. Innovations that, as with all the key innovations of civilization, are born out of military needs for imperialist war to the outside and inside the trinity of conquest, control and exploitation.

War, now more than ever, transcends the military field and has expanded its front, in fact, to every expression of the living and the material from the macro to the nano and even beyond the planet itself.

Thus every productive sector is invested in these technologies, but no longer content with the narrowness of the research labs is transforming–even after it transformed along with space into one deadly and sickening landfill–the entire planet into a laboratory, a new living world–or rather a dying, engineered one.

Not–as the great “greenwashing” campaigns of media terrorism and state want us to believe–to solve social and environmental disasters arising from the system, but always and ever to reproduce this system of domination and exploitation with the end of completing once and for all the techno-industrial complex enclosure.

Through this initiative we want to convey a specific revolutionary anarchist environmentalist sentiment, which leads us to confront with interventionary priority biotechnology, nanotechnology and nuclear research as harmful pillars on which the system goes on recomposing itself. That is why we take this opportunity also and above all to call for a renewed fight against genetic engineering and in particular to its continued diffusion, as articulated by the EFSA in Parma as a required step, to the GMOs in Europe, supported by multinational chemical and agro-food, which points to the liberalization of GM crops. This too is part–a critical part–of the attempt to extend total and absolute control and domination in all biological processes (such as the social and economic through nanotechnology/information technology), reducing the living being to a mere aggregate of genes to shape to the convenience of production.

Struggle that does not pass by delegating to always-complicit experts or politicians, but by organizing initiatives and acting widely to stop this necrology.

With this strike, we reiterate our desire to remain active players in a larger long-term path of struggle, tearing down walls, barriers and borders and renewing the power of active complicity with all those who fight against oppression by man of man, of woman, of other animals and of the whole earth!

Unconditional complicity and solidarity with the rebels who on February 7th opposed the death transport in Val Susa (http://325.nostate.net/?tag=val-susa)!
Unconditional complicity and solidarity with/to the five comrades seized April 6th, 2011 (http://325.nostate.net/?p=2185) and to all hit by this latest repression based on the fascist articles of association of Italy!

Solidarity with/to the social guerrilla comrades held hostage in Greece (http://325.nostate.net/?tag=greece), Chile (http://325.nostate.net/?tag=chile), Argentina (http://325.nostate.net/?tag=argentina), Mexico (http://325.nostate.net/?tag=mexico), and everywhere in the world!
Solidarity with/to the comrades of the “bombas case” frame-up (http://325.nostate.net/?p=1780) and four Mapuche (http://325.nostate.net/?tag=mapuche) political prisoners, all on hunger strike and all hostages of the fascist state in Chile!

And to all the revolutionary prisoners held hostage of the social war here in Europe as in America and elsewhere in the world!

And last but not least, a warm revolutionary greeting to the comrades meeting this May 1st here in Zurich and elsewhere in Switzerland, where the convergence of them in particular is known very much, where we, as prisoners and revolutionaries, are known very much also in the strong international participation and mobilization against repression and for the release of our revolutionary prisoners!

With solidarity in motion, repression will not stop our struggle! The passion for freedom is stronger than any authority!

On the first of May, from Swiss prison
Silvia, Costa, Marco, Billy

B0LSHEVIK
11th May 2011, 02:26
Not all genetic engineering is bad. Like synthesizing insulin for humans with diabetes instead of harvesting pigs for their insulin, as was done before genetic engineering.

Sperm-Doll Setsuna
11th May 2011, 09:31
Not all genetic engineering is bad. Like synthesizing insulin for humans with diabetes instead of harvesting pigs for their insulin, as was done before genetic engineering.

Yes, but there's not much more to expect from semi-primitivist scum



as part of the reactionary movement, the movement of Earth and Animal Liberation.

Fixed.

Zav
11th May 2011, 09:47
-snip-
Capitalism and the State are our enemies, not technology. It is the fault of Capitalism that GMOs are harmful. Genetic engineering is not inherently evil, because it can be used to produce insulin as B0LSHEVIK pointed out (which is needed largely because of the obesity epidemic caused by Capitalism), prevent disease, and grow food in arid areas such as northern Africa. GMOs are not extensively tested nor are they grown responsibly (see Monsanto with its Round-Up that it drowns its crops in) because the governments of the world are essentially run by corporations and their obsessive desire for profit.

nuisance
11th May 2011, 10:36
semi-primitivist scum.
That's like claiming that you have a 'mostly vegan diet'. You either are or aren't a primivitist. Jeez, what an idiotic slur against individuals imprisoned for being radicals. Formulate a critique or fuck off.

B0LSHEVIK
11th May 2011, 16:53
Capitalism and the State are our enemies, not technology. It is the fault of Capitalism that GMOs are harmful. Genetic engineering is not inherently evil, because it can be used to produce insulin as B0LSHEVIK pointed out (which is needed largely because of the obesity epidemic caused by Capitalism), prevent disease, and grow food in arid areas such as northern Africa. GMOs are not extensively tested nor are they grown responsibly (see Monsanto with its Round-Up that it drowns its crops in) because the governments of the world are essentially run by corporations and their obsessive desire for profit.

Wait hold on. I didnt attack him for being a primie. Chances are that comrade 'eastside' understands that not only does socialism, but our society has an intrinsic need in creating a sustainable civilization. Im also not a technocrat that believes that humans can 'invent' themselves out of any problem. If history teaches anything at all its that once a new technological invention arrives and gains a popular foothold, we can never go back. Every technological advance builds on the first, that of the plow. So 'inventing' really isnt the solution either. Science is a tool of good and evil. You cant even direct study really. I mean how did scientists first realize they could split the atom? By studying rain cloud formation. Who would've thought you know, from rain clouds to atomic weapons.

Point is, primies want a sustainable earth that promotes socialism and respect between humans and the biosphere. We cant led diversity die, its a food chain, remember?

Sperm-Doll Setsuna
11th May 2011, 17:34
That's like claiming that you have a 'mostly vegan diet'. You either are or aren't a primivitist. Jeez, what an idiotic slur against individuals imprisoned for being radicals. Formulate a critique or fuck off.

Fuck off.

It's semi- in the sense that it purports to be for progress yet is coated with nonsense such as lambasting "techno-industrial society" for whatever problems. This sort of anti-industrial anti-technlogical drivel is not progressive in any shape or form. The perversions of capitalism are not to be associated with, by default, "techno-industrial society".

There should be no fight against genetic engineering as some sort of issue on its own; it's utilisation by capitalism is not something that demands the wholesale rejection thereof.

Furthermore ALF and ELF are counter-revolutionary enemies of progress and humanity.

Robespierre Richard
11th May 2011, 18:17
I watched the movie about this in college. I guess the only problem I have with it is that it's really poor agronomy. That and in the broader society Monsanto has a reputation on par with tobacco companies lol.

I guess it's a good idea to be against this but so far there only seem to be two extremes, the ultra-anti-everything from these guys and the "ehh this is kinda bad I guess, let's shift the focus on a less relevant aspect of it" view of liberals like in that George Clooney film Michael Clayton.

nuisance
11th May 2011, 22:46
Fuck off.

It's semi- in the sense that it purports to be for progress yet is coated with nonsense such as lambasting "techno-industrial society" for whatever problems. This sort of anti-industrial anti-technlogical drivel is not progressive in any shape or form. The perversions of capitalism are not to be associated with, by default, "techno-industrial society".

There should be no fight against genetic engineering as some sort of issue on its own; it's utilisation by capitalism is not something that demands the wholesale rejection thereof.

Furthermore ALF and ELF are counter-revolutionary enemies of progress and humanity.
You obviously do not know what primivitism is then.

Os Cangaceiros
12th May 2011, 01:23
Furthermore ALF and ELF are counter-revolutionary enemies of progress and humanity.

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/graphics/news3/ALF-Season2.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SWJaTqyRVDM/SwHtkHDCIKI/AAAAAAAAAQo/WCKzSDy2r-w/s1600/WillFerrellAsBuddyInElf.jpg

I agree.

WeAreReborn
12th May 2011, 01:33
Fuck off.

It's semi- in the sense that it purports to be for progress yet is coated with nonsense such as lambasting "techno-industrial society" for whatever problems. This sort of anti-industrial anti-technlogical drivel is not progressive in any shape or form. The perversions of capitalism are not to be associated with, by default, "techno-industrial society".

There should be no fight against genetic engineering as some sort of issue on its own; it's utilisation by capitalism is not something that demands the wholesale rejection thereof.

Furthermore ALF and ELF are counter-revolutionary enemies of progress and humanity.
You realize it is possible to debate without being an ass right?

Anyways, there is nothing wrong with wanting animals to be treated humanely and you know, actually liking nature.. I am not against progress, technologically and otherwise, but I feel it should be done so in a healthy and actually progressive way. So you continue to be making sweeping and ignorant generalizations about people who like the environment if you want, but just because I want technology to be regulated does not mean I do not want it to happen at all.

CommunityBeliever
12th May 2011, 02:52
as part of the reactionary movement, the movement of Earth and Animal Liberation.Just as humans are victims of Capitalism, so to are the animals and the environment. The need for the liberation of the Animals and the Earth is therefore a result of the destructive policies of the bourgeoisie.

Pretty Flaco
12th May 2011, 03:02
Research into genetic engineering will have all sorts of benefits in the future. Imagine all the diseases that people are affected by that could be cured.

Sperm-Doll Setsuna
12th May 2011, 11:39
You realize it is possible to debate without being an ass right?

Anyways, there is nothing wrong with wanting animals to be treated humanely and you know, actually liking nature.. I am not against progress, technologically and otherwise, but I feel it should be done so in a healthy and actually progressive way. So you continue to be making sweeping and ignorant generalizations about people who like the environment if you want, but just because I want technology to be regulated does not mean I do not want it to happen at all.

If he is an arse, I cannot help myself from too, being an arse (I merely mirrored his fuck off).

This is about the article in the first post, which does have vague anti-industrial anti-technological statements; it speaks of "techo-industrial society" as some monolith that is unavoidably capitalist and must be crushed.

Other animals are not human and should therefore not be treated humanely, but there is indeed no need for pointless suffering, no, they should not be maltreated and working conditions in slaughter houses are often bad for the workers, so on so forth, but animal liberation and earth liberation are entirely different things from legitimate environmental concerns and so on. They see animals as equals to humans and capable of being liberated and consider them exploited like workers, which is reactionary hippie-nonsense.

nuisance
12th May 2011, 12:15
woho are you to say what is and isn't a legitimate enviromental concern. especially when you're a weirdo geek- authoritarian socialist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISXiFJS9D5A&feature=related

Sperm-Doll Setsuna
12th May 2011, 12:29
woho are you to say what is and isn't a legitimate enviromental concern. especially when you're a weirdo geek- authoritarian socialist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISXiFJS9D5A&feature=related

Oh, getting personal eh, you fucking arsehole?

nuisance
12th May 2011, 12:38
:mellow:
I think it's understandable when an individual claims the right to declare things legitimate and not, since it is a personal act. This so makes the person critiqueable since we are not talking in the abstract but instead on the basis of what you personally declare upon others. Not to mention the insults you levelled on the upstart against people for issuing a statement you don't grasp.

Tenka
12th May 2011, 13:00
woho are you to say what is and isn't a legitimate enviromental concern. especially when you're a weirdo geek- authoritarian socialist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISXiFJS9D5A&feature=related

Great, first off-topic post on this thread. I've seen no indication that there was a failure to "grasp" the OP -- how about you counter Takayuki's claims as to the article's 'semi-primitivist' undertones (which I think are fairly obviously present...) instead of attacking him personally as a "weirdo geek"?

nuisance
12th May 2011, 13:12
Great, first off-topic post on this thread. I've seen no indication that there was a failure to "grasp" the OP -- how about you counter Takayuki's claims as to the article's 'semi-primitivist' undertones (which I think are fairly obviously present...) instead of attacking him personally as a "weirdo geek"?
The counter is that it is not 'semi-primitivist' because such a thing does not exist this has been said. It is simple, there is no here or there on the subject. They're anti-civilisationist by the looks of it. google terms.

bcbm
12th May 2011, 16:59
It's semi- in the sense that it purports to be for progress yet is coated with nonsense such as lambasting "techno-industrial society" for whatever problems.

"it is now condensing into its most total and global expression which is multinational capitalism, to whose harmful effects and illusions we are all forced to entrust our lives. With the stupid arrogance that throughout history has marked every dominant power, it cannot afford any questioning of itself and the present into which we are forced. "


This sort of anti-industrial anti-technlogical drivel is not progressive in any shape or form. The perversions of capitalism are not to be associated with, by default, "techno-industrial society".

i think it is clear they are attacking technological-industrial society as it exists within a capitalist framework. and yes, i think the "perversions" of capitalism are default associated with the technological-industrial society we live in and vice-versa, because they are the same thing. capitalism has created the world we live in and everything is created to meet its needs.


There should be no fight against genetic engineering as some sort of issue on its own; it's utilisation by capitalism is not something that demands the wholesale rejection thereof.

it should be fought as it is undertaken within a capitalist context, there is a reason farmers burn fields of gmo crops.


Furthermore ALF and ELF are counter-revolutionary enemies of progress and humanity.

i think you're giving them more credit than is due

black magick hustla
12th May 2011, 19:53
i dont see why this shit matters