What is socialism, communism in it's truest form?

[Tenoch]

I have always been interested in Che, Cuba, and the movements of the 60's, but I am still not sure what "true communism, and true socialism" represent. Is it similar to what a Zapatista is? Please enlighten me, for I truly want to learn about this. My email : [email protected]
Gracias carnales y carnalas!

[commie kg]

I'll save redstar the trouble. :P

What is Communism? (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=6362&hl=what+is+communism)

What is Socialism? (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=6365&hl=what+is+socialism)

[Tenoch]

Thanks KG, hate to ask a question like that, but you have to ask to find out. :D

[[email protected]]

Okay well,I don't think that anyone has even began to bother to answer this question.Communism in its true form is equality among all men in a single state,churches and religion are not allowed,because if one is logical then it is only right to acknowledge that Communism is a belief system on its own.Ofcourse there is no law,which stands in the way of multi-systematic beliefs.Perhaps dude,you ought to read Kommunist Manifest,it will indeed help you out.But I tell you now Communism is the most beautiful ideology,which I embrace.Its main quest is to enable the success of global communism, true revolutionaries like Ernesto Che Guevara, made it their purpose to attain global communism, because the revolution never ends. This was one of the main disputes between Leon Trotsky and Iosif Stalin.Hope this helps you out.Lata dude!

[The Feral Underclass]

Communism in its true form is equality among all men in a single state...

No it is'nt! There are two stages to communism so Marx theorised. From the transition from Capitalism to Communism you need a stage between notably called Socialism...this in fact is what you where talking about. Socialism is the state controlled mechanism which controlls the means of production and secures the revolution.

After the State withers away because there is no need for it, allowing people to work and organize themsleves accordingly. That is what true communism is, in effect Anarchism.

People such as Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Ho Chi Minh and Castro never managed to get passed the socialism part and are still waiting for the state to wither away. Of course in my oppinion it will never wither away. Cuba and Vietnam have become so effected by the outside world, and people have become so disillusioned that there cosnciousness has been corrupted and they will never be able to transform into communism unless there was a world revolution.

churches and religion are not allowed,because if one is logical then it is only right to acknowledge that Communism is a belief system on its own.

Do you speak english? Of course religion will be tolerated as long as it has no control over peoples lives. The authority of the church will be destroyed and it will be made a personal thing for people to practive in their own time.

The reason Communism disagrees with Religion is because Marxism is based on a dialectical material principle. That soemthing can only exist if there was something which made it...this is simply explained and of course there is much more to it.....therefore if u take this principle God could not exist because it would need to have a heart and a brain which would make him immortal, he could not be air because air can not have a brain and so on, and god couldnt be anything other than gas, liquid or solid because nothing other than those principles exist. Therefore god can not exist.

So religion is a kind of nonesense which would need to go, people can still practice it if they need to, but when communism does come into effect properly, religion will msot likly wither away.

Kommunist Manifest

The Communist Manifesto! tuh!

But I tell you now Communism is the most beautiful ideology,which I embrace

Communism is indeed a beautiful ideology, but it is an ideology that can not be implemnted by the use of a state. As an Anarchist, I completly reject the need for this transitional period. Leninists and Trotskyists wish to create a vanguard of "intellectual" revolutionaries who will "lead" the working class into a revolution to overthrow one state, in order to create another claiming to be in the interests of the working class.

State is the reason for class divisions and must be fought against on every level, whether it is called communist or neo-liberal. The workers can be made conscious, and they can lead the revolution themselves to create an Anarchist society based on co-operation and collective responsibility.

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