Farting in an elevator- real socialism?

[proofisinthepudding]

I'm writing an article about how technology is altering individuals income streams and I'm interested in hearing some opinions or extrapolations on Marxism and technology- My contention is that Marxism in 2003 is akin to a wine tasting expo and hasnt kept pace with technological advancements.

Please reply with some real dogma that looks beyond simple graphic `revoltionary' iconography from last century (pix of Che's beret) and give us a real taste of how the Socialist Utopian dream copes with a techie- knowledge based civilisation.

And while you're at it you can explain why Chomsky is making so much cash??

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I personally would like to see some more useless technologies ridden of in favour of producing more useful stuff, like producing more toilet paper instead of toasters.

[Dhul Fiqar]

We need to make less microwaves and more hats with little red stars on them.

--- G.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Yes, comrade. we also need to increase production of spatulas, so we can smear capitalists with feaces, jam to attract wasps and treacle so we can stick them to the ceiling.

The extra toilet paper would also be useful for cleaning the spatulas, and mummifying capitalists alive.

[Hampton]

I'm all for more spork factories.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Great. We can use my ceiling, someone bring the treacle, we can hunt us some capitalists

[suffianr]

I'm writing an article about how technology is altering individuals income streams and I'm interested in hearing some opinions or extrapolations on Marxism and technology- My contention is that Marxism in 2003 is akin to a wine tasting expo and hasnt kept pace with technological advancements.

File sharing, p2p networking, Linux...embodies traits and engenders the individual to think beyond himself towards a greater realisation of humanity.

[Hate Is Art]

i think a connecting network of conveyor belts across the whole of the world allowing you go anywhere just by walking out your door and jumping onto the conveyor belt.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2003, 03:02 PM
File sharing, p2p networking, Linux...
Some of the good things from the net ;)

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2003, 01:26 PM
The extra toilet paper would also be useful for cleaning the spatulas, and mummifying capitalists alive.
hahaha

[Don't Change Your Name]

I think technology is useful. Please do not say it is capitalistic, it belongs to the humanity.

Of course things like cell phones with cameras and colour screens that capitalism tries to sell and the dumbs try to buy are useless.

But, things that can increase productivity and give people more free time should be seen as a good thing.

I am starting to like the Domotics thing, having more technology is your house can improve your life, however many things they are selling (like security systems with cameras and portable TVs where you can see what happens at your house) are useless.
However, having systems that can use the rain and shower water to do tasks as being used to clean toilets (things that already exist) are very useful, as it saves resources. Others like systems to regulate lights, windows and audio systems arent really useful on leftist societies but they can help people be entertained. We do NOT need a huge home-theater but having a nice TV is good entertainment, plus creating this things will create new jobs and promote creativity. Other inventions I've seen are things like systems against fire or gas escapes, which are useful and will prevent many accidents.
Such technologies can help the workplaces too, reducing the time people work but without reducing the need of workers. People will have to control new devices and also invent and produce them, and also this technologies make workplaces "nicer".

[Ctisphonics]

technology is altering individuals income streams
Comming from the employer? Like how many employers, like the US Army, demands direct banking into a Capitalist bank due for it's cost-saving/greater efficency.

Or do you mean new jobs comming from these new technologies where more people have the capabilities to become self employed from thier homes, be it home made stuff like crafts, research, marketing, trading, online casinos, ect.... blurring the traditional image of a what it means to be a class since the mode of interaction may soon no longer involve a middleman or middle management and will blur the images of everyone into a common group, only the determinate of a person being thier way of thinking, thus the mind of a person and not thier race, age, dress, nation, ect.

Pehaps your asking about how the income can be used now, people pooling thier resources on the net creating databases of online libraries, thus increasing the value of a students pay in the 1980's to buy material to study substantially since the resources are free online, you only have to pay internet fees and a phone bill.

I'm sure there is more to it than this, but I am a stupid person (enters RAF) and need you to explain your case better.


Please reply with some real dogma that looks beyond simple graphic `revoltionary' iconography from last century (pix of Che's beret) and give us a real taste of how the Socialist Utopian dream copes with a techie- knowledge based civilisation.

This site is based on 20th century tech for the most part (it's only three years in!), Che's beret is a symbol, symbols are timeless since they represent an idea(ideas), and given that Marxism is ment to be timeless too. You must relize that people here are still thiking in 19th century terms for the most part... Pavlov never exsisted in this world, Darwin's discoveries are either non-exsistent, or are used as a bastion to defend Athiesm, despite it's obvious anti-marxist heretical teachings it exposes on the nature of reproduction. Mannheim's Paradox is simultaniously denied and embraced (Che couldn't exsist without it, the value of his works being listed on this site would be pointless, since nobody could supress themselves and adopt a new form in a similar image....Sages are non exsistant, individuality repressed, and yet ironically, put upon a pedestool and is encouraged to be emulated:blink: )

The front page of this site is a perfect example of it. This site is centered around not a personality, but a symbol. A symbol that for initiants may mean any number of things: for some who feel alienated or neglected finds refuge in it, ostrocised people seek it (and these discussionboards) for feeling of community, people addicted to the psychoactive effects of militancy or the duties a perceived revolution entails (or more likely, the effects of talking about in between other like minded counter-cultural groups with the same or similar aggessive tendencies, without ever likely acting the stuff out). This site even has people attracted to it who are against it and like the feelings they get in countering others with Marxist beliefs.

Che isn't the focus for apparently most here, the idea of Che is though (objective, subjective, Orthodox Undertangind Vs. Interpertation). People get off on what they perceive Che to be, and counter-react to other's who disagree with thier beliefs in ways that may or may not satisfy thier immediate needs. Plain and simple, the Marxist of 20 or 30 years ago ARE NOT here on this site, these people represent a new breed of Marxist who arn't so much for the revolution but rather for the effect the ideas have on them.... in other words, Che's symbol is a highly addictive Analgelsic, soon to be replaced by something new and more powerful, the focus constantly changing, though it maintains the same static symbol (it mutates and fluxes for each)

My old art teachers saying about drawings you produce but then hide for your own enjoyment applies here too, if you din't share it, it's Masterbation. Most are thinkers, the few here that arn't 'devout' (see above) Marxist nor comming to get thier kicks tend to just be here putting thier ideas out. Thier still to a certain degree may be a search for community, but not a stong impluse for a Analgelsic in quick, reflexive catchphrase used to garnish an immidiate response from the like minded (or, for the sickos, the opposite minded, dependant upon your kink). Their is the more Analyitical in approach, they are the Anarchist or Libertarian, (occasionally the hardcore Marxist, check my Commie against Commie post, skip down to the bottom and see my reply, and compare to the above posts before it). This is the wine-tasting I thik your referring to.

The basics are the same for most radical ideologies, you'll find variations due to the symbology, such as on Facist or Nazis websites, but the basic principles ou can abstract from above will remain the same for the most.
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Note, I'm most definately am not a Marxist, though I'm not against Communism. You might want to get professed Marxist on this one. I think I showed you the basic dynamics of the Tech-Knowledge culture that has devoloped on these boards, as well as possibilities of it's advancement. As for a little more proof to my Adictive personalities/counter Culture groups hypothosis, I ask for you to explore this site more thoughly and look at discussions about drugs or sports such as sky-diving or the like. People who drive drunk tend to drive recklessly when not drinking, drug users are addicted to using drugs, and usually not just one drug, they use many. Extremist are extremist in all things. Counter this with people who have tame bios, but have 'inflated' personalities. THis is the direction our new civilization is heading, overlaod of information- No real discussion due to our psychosis. Capitalism wins due to impotent opposition, which doesn't bother me too much since I'm not to adverse to it.

Duck, flying tomatoes are likely to be hurled at me, don't want you to get hit from the onlaught.