Mobutu Sese Seko

[Red Future]

This man seemed to be on the lines of a Third Positionist when he ruled Zaire up to 1997..is this a correct interpretation? furthermore why did Mao have positive views of him when he was a lackey of the west?:confused:

[Kléber]

Because Mao was a lackey of the West from 1971 on. Together with his pet Hoxha, he claimed the USSR was "fascist," and had to be destroyed by any means, including a tacit alliance with US imperialism. Mao's government gave weapons to reactionaries like Mobutu and Yahya Khan that were used to butcher the people; he shook hands with Nixon while North Vietnam was still being bombed by the US Air Force.

[Return to the Source]

Mao didn't claim the USSR was fascist; the CCP's position was that the Soviet Union was 'social imperialist'. While I agree that it was an erroneous line that seriously damaged the international community movement, I understand why the CCP adopted that line. Territorial disputes with Brezhnev led many Chinese communists to legitimately believe his threats of a military attack.

[Marxach-Léinínach]

"Social-imperialist" was an accurate analysis IMO, things really got overboard when Mao and Hoxha started calling it "Social-fascist" and such. As bad as the USSR got, the Soviet people were never living under a "Hitlerian style dictatorship", Yeltsin was the one who brought that in.

[Sasha]

"Social-imperialist" was an accurate analysis IMO, things really got overboard when Mao and Hoxha started calling it "Social-fascist" and such. As bad as the USSR got, the Soviet people were never living under a "Hitlerian style dictatorship"

You had me nodding in agreement till there, but then you had to ruin it with this nonsense


Yeltsin was the one who brought that in.

[Marxach-Léinínach]

You had me nodding in agreement till there, but then you had to ruin it with this nonsense

Well maybe not on a par with Hitler, but he definitely brought in some kinda crypto-fascist dictatorship

[Gustav HK]

Because Mao was a lackey of the West from 1971 on. Together with his pet Hoxha, he claimed the USSR was "fascist," and had to be destroyed by any means, including a tacit alliance with US imperialism. Mao's government gave weapons to reactionaries like Mobutu and Yahya Khan that were used to butcher the people; he shook hands with Nixon while North Vietnam was still being bombed by the US Air Force.

It should be remarked that those alliances and friendships were one of the main reasons of the Sino-Albanian split.

Enver Hoxha wasn´t "Mao´s pet", he often criticized Mao, and it was often Hoxha who took the initiative in the struggle against modern revisionism.

[Sasha]

Well maybe not on a par with Hitler, but he definitely brought in some kinda crypto-fascist dictatorship

euh, no he didnt, he brought in an very louzy excecuted laissez-faire neo-con capitalist shock treatment but there was nothing crypto-fascist nor even dictatorial about it. that is unless you mean the disbanding of the constitution and parliament but that only lasted from october to early december 1993.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Didn't he attain power as the result of a US-sponsored coup?

[Sasha]

no, he was ellected in the first "democratic" elections with 52% of the vote, by the time he left office he had an approval rating of 2% though.

[Red Future]

no, he was ellected in the first "democratic" elections with 52% of the vote, by the time he left office he had an approval rating of 2% though.

You are forgetting he was drunk for around 60% of his time in Office

[Gustav HK]

euh, no he didnt, he brought in an very louzy excecuted laissez-faire neo-con capitalist shock treatment but there was nothing crypto-fascist nor even dictatorial about it. that is unless you mean the disbanding of the constitution and parliament but that only lasted from october to early december 1993.

Many people were massacred in the "Constitutional Crisis":


According to government estimates, 187 people were killed and 437 wounded, while sources close to Russian communists put the death toll at as high as 2,000. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Russian_constitutional_crisis

He might not have been a fascist but he did some terrible things.

[Os Cangaceiros]

no, he was ellected in the first "democratic" elections with 52% of the vote, by the time he left office he had an approval rating of 2% though.

For some reason I had associated him as someone who had attained power because of the Patrice Lumumba incident.