BNP suffers election meltdown

[RevoTO]

From The guardian

"The British National party appears to be heading for meltdown at the polls after being wiped out in its key target city of Stoke-on-Trent and securing only one seat on councils to have declared so far.
The extreme rightwing party has been hit by internecine strife over the last year, with a string of senior figures defecting amid growing concern over the state of its finances.
It only managed to field around 250 candidates in Thursday's local elections – compared with approximately 700 in the equivalent polls in 2007 – and its only victory so far has come in Queensbury, West Yorkshire.
The BNP has so far lost seven of the 11 council seats it was defending, with three still to declare.
In Stoke-on-Trent, it lost all five of its sitting councillors. It also appeared to have failed in Wales, where it had predicted a breakthrough in the runup to the vote.
The BNP spokesman, Simon Darby, refused to comment on the results, saying "there was no point". Anti-racist campaigners said the results were disastrous for the party.
"[BNP leader] Nick Griffin is now in a really parlous position," said Nick Lowles from Hope not Hate, which has mobilised thousands of anti-racist campaigners in the past few weeks.
"The British National party as a political force now appears to be finished ... it has such huge debts that even the rebels who are openly opposed to Griffin have realised it is not worth taking over."
The BNP reached a high water mark in 2009 when Griffin and Andrew Brons were elected to the European parliament but, in the past 18 months, its support has imploded.
Dozens of prominent figures have either been suspended or have resigned, and in recent weeks it emerged that around 15 former members had defected and were planning to stand for the rival English Democrats.
Insiders say they predict further walkouts and defections in the coming days."

[Anarchrusty]

The BNP know full well that they are loosing ground from the electorate. That's why they have sent in the little cretins we all recognise as the EDL. They are the stormtroopers, but they have an assignment as to exclude eachother. But only in public. The EDL leader, Stephan Yaxley Lennon, is a goldmember card carrying member of the BNP, as is Kevin Carroll, who built their website and the BNP's. They use dark people as a decoy, but on their forums their financial leader Allen Lake has proclaimed he wants non whites contained into ghetto's, so their demise will be made rather easy as opposed to finding them on the open streets.

With the creation of the EDL, Griffin tries to sucker in normal working class youngsters who are desenfranchised into racial hunter gatherer groups defined by their ethnicity.
Shame though, that they always give themselves away with their mandatory Hitler salute :D :thumbup:

[Sasha]

oh dear, you really think the EDL is an BNP front, an ploy? been reading too much searchlight have we?
yes there are former BNP in the EDL, but its more of an in an small pond sometimes you catch the same fish than anything else.
the edl is entity on its self and requires an response of it selfs.
and while on that subject, yes there are nazi's amongst them shouting "nazi scum of our streets" at them is even more stupid than to do it towards the BNP and an huge trap people are walking open eyed into.

[Anarchrusty]

Pfff Psycho, can we now stop this animosity? I have no idea what I have done to you but you following me around and criticising my every move is uncalled for. Aren't we supposed to be on the same side?

Let me extend my hand to you in friendship and stop this bullshit forever?

[Sasha]

i have no animostiy, i dont follow you arround, you happen to post bullshit in threads and sections i have an interest in which i happen to challenge.
if you want to stop the bullshit you shouldnt post it as thats the only bullshit i see.

[Anarchrusty]

I shouldn't post?
Wait, I thought this was an internet forum and we were all inclined to our own opinions? Are you threatening me just coz you are an admin?

I thought I was perfectly clear when I offered my friendship?

[Sasha]

you should post by all means, you just should also expect an counter-post if you write b.s.
stop being so fucking paranoid

[Anarchrusty]

I'll stop being paranoid as soon as you stop fucking whispering about me....

:laugh:

Sure thing mate :)

[El Rojo]

the bnp is pretty much done. financially they are fucked, having defaulted to thier creditors. Any young fash would choose the EDL over the BNP, which is not exactly better, however its nice to see all the predictions about the BNP having a surge of popularity to due austerity have not come about (yet)

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

i imagine that the english democrats will take a number of disgruntled bnp types. the right become quite obscure when there's a right wing government though.

[IndependentCitizen]

i imagine that the english democrats will take a number of disgruntled bnp types. the right become quite obscure when there's a right wing government though.

Laird's right. Many councillors and a lot of members have turned to the English Democrats.

The BNP may revert back to its roots and begin marching again, they have threatened this, and it maybe a last resort to try and show strength. It will fail, but I must stress, the EDL is not a BNP front. Many members on their support UKIP, or the ED. However, there's still many who are either BNP members or sympathisers. The BNP will probably try to use the same platform as the EDL, don't know if that'll be successful or not, but they'll most likely raise the same issues, which will most likely attract EDL members. But all of this is just speculation, it's not necessarily true.

On the other hand, fucking lol that they've been slaughtered in both general and local elections.

[Niall]

So good to see them get absolutely hammered. On a side note, and this maybe a stupid question, but what do the EDL actually stand for?

[RedAnarchist]

i imagine that the english democrats will take a number of disgruntled bnp types. the right become quite obscure when there's a right wing government though.

Have we ever had one that wasn't right-wing in some way?

[Property Is Robbery]

So good to see them get absolutely hammered. On a side note, and this maybe a stupid question, but what do the EDL actually stand for?
For the most part just anti Islam rhetoric

[agnixie]

For the most part just anti Islam rhetoric

They've had a smattering of weird dalliances with both right wing gays, ex-gay preachers, american neonazis and the jdl. But yeah, islam and generalized indian bashing stuff (they've attacked sikhs and hindus as well) is the basic thing. They're fash and trying to hide it, but hide it poorly. Their founders are largely neonazis in origin.

[Malatesta]

From a previous post:

'It has been a bit of a week for the far right in the run-up to the local elections. The BNP have made so many blunders this week that it’s almost embarrassing to document them. But we will anyway. In case you don’t know the BNP is currently fragmenting at a pace: Nick Griffclops is still ostensibly in control but this week lanky veteran Nazi Richard Edmonds has issued a leadership challenge. Edmonds is a Tyndallite fascist, full of piss and vinegar signifying nothing, old school and washed up. Griffin need not worry, the old geezer is about 90. Eddy Butler is still on the fringes urging reform within the BNP but is generally insignificant. The ousted and exiled BNP lot on the fringes, like Batty Lee Barnes are looking increasingly desperate and many are shuttling off to join the English Democrats, a sort of more unpleasant UKIP and without the baggage of holocaust denial and general fascism that the BNP are forever tainted with. The fluffy fascist British Freedom are flat-lining.

Kieran Trent, the much vaunted rising star of the BNP’s youth wing, has had a terrible week. Little Twunt has been having an affair with Cheryl ‘Well’ Dunn and was on the receiving end of a pasting from her ex, who is now in prison. Chezzer’s ex is a fairly ‘colourful’ (though mostly white!) character called Peter King who she claims was abusive towards her and her kids as well as a previous partner. Twunt has also been pictured giving ‘a Roman salute’ – which his supporters have claimed is a photo-shopped Searchlight plot. Twunt is depicted looking straight at the camera with his right arm fully outstretched in the classic Hitler pose. No amount of ‘it must have been taken out of context’ justifies this. He’s a Nazi! He has also been depicted in front of ‘White Pride’ and loyalist flags and also with BNP ‘defector’ Chris Beverley holding English Democrat propaganda. Is he a little confused? There is a particularly scabrous slanging match on VNN UK Nazi forum between Cheryl and her detractors which is most amusing.

Guns & Poses
Although researching fascist activity is depressing at times, it is the infighting, hypocrisy and general insanity of their views that makes it worthwhile. Especially the Twunt story. And their woes continue. Last weekend the BNP held a Saint George’s weekend gathering in Yorkshire where 1 of their number arrived with a cache of replica weapons. Several BNP candidates were photographed with the guns. Not content with posing like retarded Rambo’s, Simon Goodricke, Yorkshire ‘organiser,’ Gary Tumulty, Salford ‘organiser,’ and BNP candidate Darren Lumb were also photographed bearing their fat arses for all to see. Check it out if you have the stomach for it (and these charmers certainly have plenty of stomach)

And all this before the local elections. Not only that, but North East BNP official Adam Walker was arrested for GBH and affray after going mental in his Land Rover and threatening some kids after ‘having strong drink taken’. This was his 2nd arrest in a week. It’s almost as if they don’t want to be elected.'

So,
Griffin has lost all credibility and his hanging on with his MEP for the cash.
Butler and Edmonds dont stand much chance of ousting him.
UKIP, British Freedom, NF, English Democrats, EPP etc - this all means dilution of the far right vote.
Which is good news for us! The main bother is the EDL but they are also fragmenting with rivalries and splinter factions. This can only be a good thing!

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

Have we ever had one that wasn't right-wing in some way?

very true, but i think there's a trend in which the far right become obscure when we get a tory government. maybe i'm wrong, but it seems that these openly thatcherite policies lead to big union activity and leads the working-class in those directions, where-as under labour there has still been the illusion of progressivism which has the unions on its side and leads to the far right capitalising on the public's discontent, hence NF or BNP making gains and recruits.

maybe i should have said the far right become obscure under tory governments rather than right wing ones, given that they are all right wing governments. i may be wrong in my understanding of it, but either way my original use of words was incorrect.

[Sasha]

It's definitly true that under center-"left" government the angry white working-class tends to drift more to the fascists. Which makes the "vote labour against the BNP" campaigns liberal anti-fascist like the swp and searchlight constantly run so embarrassing.
If anything did wonders for the bpn electoral votes its the pandering to the wrong aspects of multiculturalism by the likes of livingstone and galoway.
The void left by the militant destruction of streetlevel fascism need to be filled by class politics not racial ones or that void will, as seen now all over Europe, filled by the populist extreme right who tactical avoid the physical agenda.

[YorkshireAntifa]

Oh, dear. That's a shame. Adios, BNP.

[black magick hustla]

it appears teenagers with red bootlaces will have to find another hobby maybe the edl

[Niall]

I dont think its the end of the BNP, and it may well be dangerous to think so. We have to be ever vigilant as an animal is at its most dangerous when injured

[RedAntifa]

The BNP are effectively dead; however, as Niall correctly points out people need to remain cautious about them. IMO, our attention must turn towards the NF. They gained 1,515 in the recent Scottish election; granted, that may not be a staggering figure but it's still a huge increase on the last election - did they even run in 2007?

[Sam_b]

but it's still a huge increase on the last election - did they even run in 2007?

If you didn't know that they weren't running in the last Scottish election, how is this a 'huge increase'?

[RedAntifa]

If you didn't know that they weren't running in the last Scottish election, how is this a 'huge increase'?

Well, going by the BBC coverage online of the Election (not the best source, granted), the NF claimed 0.1% of the vote, which is an increase from the last election according to them. I am unsure however if they ran widespread or were confined to a few constituencies.

[Rooster]

The BNP are effectively dead; however, as Niall correctly points out people need to remain cautious about them. IMO, our attention must turn towards the NF. They gained 1,515 in the recent Scottish election; granted, that may not be a staggering figure but it's still a huge increase on the last election - did they even run in 2007?

Well. I have the figures right here. In 2007 the BNP had 24,616 regional votes. The NF were not running. In 2011, the BNP got 15,580 regional votes whilst the NF got 640 regional votes and 1,515 constituency votes. I'm assuming that those NF voters were BNP voters. Anyway, as you can see, there was actually a down turn. There was a downturn in all the far right parties in Scotland, apart for UKIP which went from 8,197 regional to 18,138 and up from 0 to 2,508 constituency votes.

Actually, looking at the numbers here, it presents a real sorry state for the left in Scotland. You know, if we're using the polls as a yard stick. Down from over 110,000 votes in both regional and constituency in 2003, to around 60,000 regional in 2007 and down to about 34,298 in 2011. That's a real big slide. The only party to remain consistent is the Communist party who have polled about 250 - 260 votes each election. I'm guessing that's their whole party number.


Well, going by the BBC coverage online of the Election (not the best source, granted), the NF claimed 0.1% of the vote, which is an increase from the last election according to them. I am unsure however if they ran widespread or were confined to a few constituencies.

As I said above, it's probably only an increase in the extent that it's a decrease in the BNP vote.

[agnixie]

I dont think its the end of the BNP, and it may well be dangerous to think so. We have to be ever vigilant as an animal is at its most dangerous when injured

Given the divide between their EU and British election results, I suspect a lot of BNP voter types just vote tory in parliament...

[RedAntifa]

Actually, looking at the numbers here, it presents a real sorry state for the left in Scotland. You know, if we're using the polls as a yard stick. Down from over 110,000 votes in both regional and constituency in 2003, to around 60,000 regional in 2007 and down to about 34,298 in 2011. That's a real big slide. The only party to remain consistent is the Communist party who have polled about 250 - 260 votes each election. I'm guessing that's their whole party number.

Even if you go back to 2003, the results make for even more grim-reading. After 2003, the Scottish Socialist Party had 6 regional seats, and had gained 128,026 votes for the regional and 117,709 for the constituencies. Go forward to 2007 and they lost all those seats, only pulling in 12,731 votes - a drop of 6.1%. I don't know if this massive plummet can be attributed to Tommy Sheridan splitting to form Solidarity, but things still look bleak...

I daresay we're getting off-topic though.