anarcho-punk music [Archive]

Niall

7th May 2011, 18:55

Sorry if I recommend something too obvious.

Are you interested in crust or grind? A bit more extreme than most, but I enjoy both genres. Listen to Disrupt. "Unrest" is a masterpiece.
Also, Disfear, Nausea, Doom, and Extreme Noise Terror (especially "A Holocaust in Your Head").

my mate listens to doom, he also put me onto discharge. Are they similar at all?

$lim_$weezy

7th May 2011, 19:12

Eh, somewhat. I think Doom is usually faster than Discharge and more grindy. Also, the vocals are more extreme.
Here's a good Doom song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfW7QZJDUbg

tm315

8th May 2011, 04:04

Burnt Cross
The Restarts
Protestera
The Proletariat
Power is Poison
The Exploited
Dead Kennedys
Subhumans
Strike Anywhere

Not all in that list are the genre Anarcho-Punk, but they all are Punk bands for Anarchy.

Apoi_Viitor

8th May 2011, 16:56

Dystopia
Aus Rotten

Robespierre Richard

8th May 2011, 17:32

Green Day.

Cane Nero

8th May 2011, 17:43

Dude,srsly... GTFO! :laugh:

Tim Finnegan

9th May 2011, 01:45

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The Douche

9th May 2011, 02:01

Witch Hunt, Lost Cherrees, Rudimentary Peni, The Mob, A//Political, Contravene.

Anarchopunk is way better than crust/grind/dbeat.

RedSunRising

9th May 2011, 02:11

Green Day.

Are you being sarcastic?

If you are forgive my semi-autism.

RedSunRising

9th May 2011, 02:14

Chumbawamba were actually great in their day...

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So were Gang of Four...

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Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk

27th June 2011, 12:19

Gang of Four are still good now, but they aren't anarcho-punk. They're Marxists and they're a post-punk band. Don't know the other band you posted so can't comment.

praxis1966

27th June 2011, 19:46

The Douche

29th June 2011, 04:37

Cumbawamba is certainly leftist but I'm not entirely sure about anarcho... I'm no expert, but I have listened to them a fair bit and their politics are hard to pin down. They've done a bunch of rev songs including renditions of ancient working class anthems/hymns, but I dunno that I've ever heard them express a specific ideology. Hell, they once did an acapella rendition of the Chartist anthem, but I'd hardly say they're Chartists, lol.

They were squatters, animal rights activists, and had a song on one of the bullshit detector comps. They are generally considered to be part of the anarcho-punk genre. For the longest time I thought they shared a member with crass.

Sam_b

29th June 2011, 04:40

So were Gang of Four...Except they weren't really 'punk' in the orthodox sense and were openly Marxist.

praxis1966

29th June 2011, 16:49

They were squatters, animal rights activists, and had a song on one of the bullshit detector comps. They are generally considered to be part of the anarcho-punk genre. For the longest time I thought they shared a member with crass.

Fair enough. Like I said, I'm no expert on them. I think you may be right when you say that they shared a member with Crass, but there's a crapton of UK punk bands that can say the same thing given the more or less official revolving door policy that band had.

EDIT: I'd just like it noted that in my first post that was a completely unintentional and unfortunate misspelling of Chumbawamba.

El Louton

29th June 2011, 16:52

Rise Against, Anti-Flag, Propghandi, NOFX, Crass, Bad Religion, Rage Against the Machine?

praxis1966

29th June 2011, 16:59

Rise Against, Anti-Flag, Propghandi, NOFX, Crass, Bad Religion, Rage Against the Machine?

I think at best NOFX could be properly described as reformist. RATM on the other hand are a mixed bag. They're certainly leftist, but the Tom, Zach and Tim all have differing tendencies. Brad, on the other hand, is completely apolitical. Never mind for a moment that they aren't punk even though Zach and Tom have both expressed in interviews the influence early 80s hardcore punk had on their worldview and music. If you look at the way their music's structured, it basically lies somewhere between The Beastie Boys and Black Sabbath.

dawt

29th June 2011, 17:38

How about some German ones? Now I'm just gonna classify them as Anarcho-Punk because their texts are very political - obviously antifascist and leftist, but many are clearly of antimilitarian and anarchist nature as well ... then again, most Deutschpunk is. So here's just some of my favorite ones with mostly political texts. I also added (in brackets) songs you should to listen to.

NoRMAhl (Keine Überdosis Deutschland, Freiheit und Recht)
Slime (Polizei SA/SS, ACAB, Demokratie, Deutschland , Bullenschweine...)
Neurotic Arseholes (Wir wollen Leben)
Inferno (Massenmord, Geschöpf ohne Gehirn, Tod und Zerstörung)
Kapitulation B.o.N.n. (Schöne neue Welt, Weberlied, Die Abrechnung)
Canal Terror (Staatsfeind, Multis, Abschuss...)
Fahnenflucht (Willkommen in Deutschland, Ohne Ausweg, Hausbesetzer Lied, Demokratie...)

...etc etc

El Louton

30th June 2011, 19:34

I think at best NOFX could be properly described as reformist. RATM on the other hand are a mixed bag. They're certainly leftist, but the Tom, Zach and Tim all have differing tendencies. Brad, on the other hand, is completely apolitical. Never mind for a moment that they aren't punk even though Zach and Tom have both expressed in interviews the influence early 80s hardcore punk had on their worldview and music. If you look at the way their music's structured, it basically lies somewhere between The Beastie Boys and Black Sabbath.

System of a down?

Fopeos

30th June 2011, 19:53

In my opinion, CRASS is the greatest political band EVER. Conflict,Flux of Pink Indians, Reagan Youth, old Chaos UK, and another favorite-Rudimentary Peni.

The Douche

1st July 2011, 00:53

System of a down?

Anarcho-punk is an actual genre of music, not just "political rock".

System of a down is neither anarchist, nor punk, nor anarcho-punk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-punk

Hivemind

1st July 2011, 01:01

http://anarkohxc.blogspot.com/

Dunno if this is allowed to be posted here. If not, feel free to remove.

OhYesIdid

1st July 2011, 01:10

Wait, why has no one yet mentioned Erik Petersen? The man has had two pretty good groups: The Orphans and Mischief Brew:

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praxis1966

2nd July 2011, 16:05

Anarcho-punk is an actual genre of music, not just "political rock".

System of a down is neither anarchist, nor punk, nor anarcho-punk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-punk

I hope I don't come off as condescending or arrogant with this, but how is it some people have no idea what punk actually is? Now I know that punks aren't really helping matters because half the time we can't even agree amongst ourselves what is or isn't, but how is it that some people can be so wide of the mark?

I remember back in the day I was working security (yeah, I know) at this beach hotel and I happened to have this conversation for whatever unremembered reason with these three teenagers who were hanging out by one of the pools. There were two boys and a girl, and the girl asked me which local radio station played the most punk. I just sort of blinked and said, "Well, none of them really. In fact, I don't think punk's ever gotten much airtime on the radio. Why, what bands are you into?" She looks at me in all sincerity and says, "Oh, well, I'm sooo in love with Alien Ant Farm right now... I was just wondering which station I could hear them on." :rolleyes:

The Douche

3rd July 2011, 16:14

I hope I don't come off as condescending or arrogant with this, but how is it some people have no idea what punk actually is? Now I know that punks aren't really helping matters because half the time we can't even agree amongst ourselves what is or isn't, but how is it that some people can be so wide of the mark?

I remember back in the day I was working security (yeah, I know) at this beach hotel and I happened to have this conversation for whatever unremembered reason with these three teenagers who were hanging out by one of the pools. There were two boys and a girl, and the girl asked me which local radio station played the most punk. I just sort of blinked and said, "Well, none of them really. In fact, I don't think punk's ever gotten much airtime on the radio. Why, what bands are you into?" She looks at me in all sincerity and says, "Oh, well, I'm sooo in love with Alien Ant Farm right now... I was just wondering which station I could hear them on." :rolleyes:

I think its cause a lot of people in punk say shit like "punk is about breaking the rules" or "being an individual" or "making people uncomfortable" or whatever.

No, its not, its a subculture, so, by definition, it has defining features, including a common set of values (which stands against patriarchy, capitalism, authority, homophobia, etc), a common appearance, etc.

I just watched that movie "Tacqwacore" or whatever, which I had high hopes for. It sucked, and was offensive to me as a punk and a reasonable person. Again, as a consequence of the whole "punk means breaking rules" fallacy.

Tim Finnegan

3rd July 2011, 20:56

No, its not, its a subculture, so, by definition, it has defining features, including a common set of values (which stands against patriarchy, capitalism, authority, homophobia, etc), a common appearance, etc.
I think that you may be somewhat over-optimistic with your values, there. Certainly, there's a general disdain for commercialism, bigotry, authority, and so forth, but I think it's idealistic to present the majority of punks as committed anti-capitalists- at least, not unless we're drawing up "punk" as some elite clique within the broader set of "punk fans", in which case I suppose I can't contradict you.

The Douche

4th July 2011, 15:43

I think that you may be somewhat over-optimistic with your values, there. Certainly, there's a general disdain for commercialism, bigotry, authority, and so forth, but I think it's idealistic to present the majority of punks as committed anti-capitalists- at least, not unless we're drawing up "punk" as some elite clique within the broader set of "punk fans", in which case I suppose I can't contradict you.

Well a) that is part of what it really means to truly be punk. I don't see how you could be a punk and be capitalist or a-political. If you are, then you're not really punk, you're just in it for show.

And how is being "a punk" not different from just being a "punk fan"? I mean, shit, I bet Tony Blair was a fan of the clash, does that somehow make him a punk?:lol:

Tim Finnegan

4th July 2011, 22:18

Well a) that is part of what it really means to truly be punk. I don't see how you could be a punk and be capitalist or a-political. If you are, then you're not really punk, you're just in it for show.
Well, I'm sorry to trot out the obvious, but that really does sound like a bit of a No True Scotsman. I can certainly see how you can argue that punk subculture embodies certain principles, but I think that extending them to a series of explicit political positions is overdoing it; like arguing that you can't be a "true" Scotsman, if this isn't over-stretching that expression, unless you think X, Y, and Z.

And how is being "a punk" not different from just being a "punk fan"? I mean, shit, I bet Tony Blair was a fan of the clash, does that somehow make him a punk?:lol:
Fair point, but you can see what I'm getting at; that dividing up a subculture into "real" and "false" members based not on cultural but on ethical criteria is heading down the road of an arbitrary elitism- something which punks already have a bit of a reputation for, whether on these grounds or others.

miltonwasfried...man

5th July 2011, 05:15

Anti-Flag is the reason I get up in the morning.

The Douche

5th July 2011, 14:05

Well, I'm sorry to trot out the obvious, but that really does sound like a bit of a No True Scotsman. I can certainly see how you can argue that punk subculture embodies certain principles, but I think that extending them to a series of explicit political positions is overdoing it; like arguing that you can't be a "true" Scotsman, if this isn't over-stretching that expression, unless you think X, Y, and Z.

Ok...

Punk is always going to mean those things to me, because that is how punk has come to be defined in my experience. Of course, one could have a different experience in the punk scene, be into different bands, hang out around a different scene, etc and define it in another way, but to me, if it doesn't include those elements I'm never going to see it as legitimate.

Fair point, but you can see what I'm getting at; that dividing up a subculture into "real" and "false" members based not on cultural but on ethical criteria is heading down the road of an arbitrary elitism- something which punks already have a bit of a reputation for, whether on these grounds or others.

I don't think its elitist to say "you're not punk", it would be elitist to say "you can't be punk".

Anti-Flag is the reason I get up in the morning.

Well that sucks.:cool:

Tim Finnegan

5th July 2011, 14:37

maskerade

10th July 2011, 00:03

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Against Me! before they sold out.

Zugunruhe

10th July 2011, 00:15

Just wanted to add another Propagandhi fan. Also a couple other bands:
The Assassinators: a band that sings in Danish, even if you don't speak Danish, they're amazing.
Cheap Sex: I come and go with them, I really have to be in the mood, but their music makes me want to start a riot.
Leftover Crack & Star Fucking Hipsters: these two bands are both fronted by Stza and both have an awesome ska leaning. LOC is my favorite band ever.
Skarpretter: another AWESOME Danish band.
Ομιχλη (Omixlh): a kick-ass Greek band, with a female lead singer. Which is awesome.

Cencus

11th July 2011, 02:18

Ok...

Punk is always going to mean those things to me, because that is how punk has come to be defined in my experience. Of course, one could have a different experience in the punk scene, be into different bands, hang out around a different scene, etc and define it in another way, but to me, if it doesn't include those elements I'm never going to see it as legitimate.

To paraphrase an old saying "punk is in the eye of the beholder." :laugh:

Punk historicly includes such a variety of music from the earliest days back at CBGBs, Blondie, Talking Heads, along side the Ramones. They may not be what fit's into today's punk's views as to what is punk but is what they were called at the time.

I don't particularly like Alien Ant Farm and all that pop-punk stuff thats around now but were the Buzzcocks any less poppy in the late 70s? Even in the anarchopunk scene there are massive differences. Compare Chumbawamba with Conflict, you'd never believe they came from the same scene never mind appeared on the same bill back in the day.

Back on topic, I thoroughly recommend the Subhumans. They may be getting old but still put on a cracking show.

The Douche

11th July 2011, 15:30

Alien Ant Farm does not even have the musical stylings of any form of punk. Are there similarities between say, a blink 182 song and the structure/content of a buzzcocks song? Yes, blink 182 is pop punk.

But just playing punk music doesn't make you a punk. I know lots of people who play punk music and wouldn't call themselves punk.

Anarchrusty

11th July 2011, 15:36

Are you interested in crust, d-beat/kang, powerviolence, grindcore (not the heavy death metal one, but the crust/hc one), coz in that case I can recommend you great bands. I also like old punk and early hc.
Do they have to be lyrically anarcho punk or is it just the genre you're after?

Cane Nero

11th July 2011, 15:52

I think its cause a lot of people in punk say shit like "punk is about breaking the rules" or "being an individual" or "making people uncomfortable" or whatever.

No, its not, its a subculture, so, by definition, it has defining features, including a common set of values (which stands against patriarchy, capitalism, authority, homophobia, etc), a common appearance, etc.

Well, I agree with you that punk is a subculture but I wouldn´t claim that it necessarily has a "political perspective"...

The first punk's that appeared were completely apolitical and literally just wanted to "making people uncomfortable"...

The inclusion of political and social criticism in Punk appeared only some time later...

Anarchrusty

11th July 2011, 15:59

Well, I agree with you that punk is a subculture but I wouldn´t claim that it necessarily has a "political perspective"...

The first punk's that appeared were completely apolitical and literally just wanted to "making people uncomfortable"...

The inclusion of political and social criticism in Punk appeared only some time later...

Agreed. I have tons of the old stuff that isn't political in any way.

The Douche

11th July 2011, 16:09

Sorry, the sex pistols and the ramones are not punk.

Just cause you play punk music and wear funny clothes doesn't mean you're punk. No matter how much you and others say it.

Cane Nero

11th July 2011, 16:20

Sorry, the sex pistols and the ramones are not punk.

HERESY! :laugh:

Just cause you play punk music and wear funny clothes doesn't mean you're punk. No matter how much you and others say it.

Dude, you're saying that 90% of punks aren´t punks?

I don´t think that every punk necessarily need to have a political or ideological opinion. I think it should be an individual, and actually rational, choice.

To be honest I even prefer the separation of punk from political ideologies...

Anarchrusty

11th July 2011, 16:35

HERESY! :laugh:

You ask, I play :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jBY-HLy3Hs&feature=related

The Douche

11th July 2011, 17:21

HERESY! :laugh:

Dude, you're saying that 90% of punks aren´t punks?

I don´t think that every punk necessarily need to have a political or ideological opinion. I think it should be an individual, and actually rational, choice.

To be honest I even prefer the separation of punk from political ideologies...

Yes, I think most punks are full of shit, and should not claim to be punks. They have more in common with frat boys than punk rock.

If you're conception of punk is getting drunk, breaking things, and being a shithead than you should hang it up, and I'm never gonna see you as a legitimate punk.

Cane Nero

11th July 2011, 17:45

Yes, I think most punks are full of shit, and should not claim to be punks. They have more in common with frat boys than punk rock.
If you're conception of punk is getting drunk, breaking things, and being a shithead than you should hang it up, and I'm never gonna see you as a legitimate punk.

Calm down, dude...

My conception of punk has nothing to do with that. I never have done things like that (except getting drunk) and I don´t have any pretencion of being a example of a TRUPUNX...

What I mean is that many punk kids claim to be anarchists but have no fucking idea of what they are talking about...

Punk, at least at the Brazilian scene, is about a bunch of fucked up working class kids getting together, sharing their problems with each other and staying united by this problems in common.

You know, it is comforting to know that you are not the only one who is being fucked up and hates it, that you´re not the only one who have a shitty job, who already has trouble paying bills with your small wage and ends up getting unemployed, etc...

And trying to have some fun over the process, of course...

Anarchrusty

11th July 2011, 17:54

Yes, I think most punks are full of shit, and should not claim to be punks. They have more in common with frat boys than punk rock.

If you're conception of punk is getting drunk, breaking things, and being a shithead than you should hang it up, and I'm never gonna see you as a legitimate punk.

You mention breaking things. That's rich coming from someone who's avatar says to burn buildings.
I find your definition of a punk to be elitist and also very black and white.
You say you're either a dickhead who loves to get pissed and then break things, or a hardcore activist.

What about all the working class guys and girls who are a political, work a fulltime job and want to party to their favourite music with their fave bands jamming while having a couple of pints?
Why dismiss them so easily?
Should they just refrain from attending gigs and throw out their record collection just coz they do not fit the pretentious ideal you subscribe to?
If anything, try to talk to them about politics, see if you can turn them to left causes.
If they are not interested, let them enjoy the music they like.

The Douche

11th July 2011, 18:14

First, I am calm. And my "you" in the posts was not directed at anybody in the conversation, it was a hypothetical you. I am not accusing anybody of doing the things I mentioned, sorry for the confusion.

In my experience a lot of people think punk means getting drunk, and smashing things. That is not the same as my avatar, nor as when somebody goes through with a consciously political act which may include something getting broken.

When you go to a party, get drunk, and punch a hole in the wall thats not "punk", thats just being a jerk.

I am not saying its wrong to like to get drunk, to hate your life, etc, those are things I identify with. But if you think you are punk cause you spike your hair, listen to the casualties, own a leather jacket, drink every day, and pick fights, then I think you should re-evaluate your shit. I certainly don't see that as punk.

I'm not trying to keep them from doing what they want, I'm just saying, that is not punk to me, thats not what I identify with, thats not what punk should mean.

Punks should want to change the world, not piss on it. If someone doesn't agree with that I can't stop them from calling themselves a punk, but I will freely tell them, and anybody else that they aren't punk in my eyes.

You are acting like I'm saying punk isn't allowed to be fun, what I'm really saying is that punk is more than that to me, it is a counter-culture. If I wasn't interested in having fun I wouldn't be a punk, obviously.

But I don't think we should defend the nihilist aspects of punk.

Anarchrusty

11th July 2011, 18:50

I understand what you are saying, but the majority of people I meet at gigs do not punch holes in walls, get drunk each day or start fights for the hell of it. There is a huge grey area between asshats and idealists. It's normal everyday people who enjoy the music. That was all I was saying.

I am indeed glad for people like you that want to do things that actually have meaning, they give the scene more meaning.
But I also do not dismiss the ones that just love the music. Some of my best friends are like that.
I have been a punk (very much into crust,d-beat and most other subgenres) for years and only with the emergence of the EDL and the blatant racism it invokes, have I decided to put my mind to politics. My first ever demo was Bolton, March 2010. Because of my ADD I have trouble learning plus I am very chaotic but my heart is in the right place. I accept that I won't be the most learned ever in leftist politics, but what I can do I will do.
But even before I became involved I was an anti racist, as are most punks I have ever met. Maybe most are the same as me, they are passionate but not very educated on the inns and outs of it all.

Cane Nero

11th July 2011, 19:02

In my experience a lot of people think punk means getting drunk, and smashing things. That is not the same as my avatar, nor as when somebody goes through with a consciously political act which may include something getting broken.

When you go to a party, get drunk, and punch a hole in the wall thats not "punk", thats just being a jerk.

I am not saying its wrong to like to get drunk, to hate your life, etc, those are things I identify with. But if you think you are punk cause you spike your hair, listen to the casualties, own a leather jacket, drink every day, and pick fights, then I think you should re-evaluate your shit. I certainly don't see that as punk.

I'm not trying to keep them from doing what they want, I'm just saying, that is not punk to me, thats not what I identify with, thats not what punk should mean.

I totally agree with you, but I kinda understand why some punks act as jerks sometimes...

It is certainly a behavior that should not be supported. Actually, I feel pity for people who act this way cuz they are simply even more lost than me...

Punks should want to change the world, not piss on it.

But I don't think we should defend the nihilist aspects of punk.

That's something I don´t agree with...

It was this nihilistic and destructive aspect of punk that caught my attention and that I identify with.

But don´t confuse nihilism with a "shithead behavior", you know, that "As I'm fucked up I'm gonna fuck you too" kind of thinking.

Just cuz you think there´s no future, doesn´t mean you should act like a asshole, harming in any way your friends or literally destroy your body.

I don´t see this nihilistic aspect as something contrary to the spirit of unity and solidarity of the punk...

human strike

13th July 2011, 00:09

Cane Nero

13th July 2011, 00:16

The Business and Klasse Kriminale are more like OI!...

The Douche

13th July 2011, 00:17

Trying to look for bands that haven't already been mentioned, though it's tempting to restate how awesome some of the bands already mentioned are. Articles of Faith? Bad Brains? Black Flag must have been mentioned, no? The Business? Choking Victim? Feederz? Five Knuckle? Klasse Kriminale? Has nobody mentioned Leftover Crack? MDC? Thought Riot? Wire (sort of)?

Not anarcho punk. I guess some of the others could kind of be argues, or I don't know who they are.

Like CV and LOC, they're more crust, but are generally in a style of their own. Klasse kriminale and the business are oi/streetpunk, shit, the business have anti-communist songs. Bad Brains and Black Flag are hardcore bands, and have nothing to do with anarchism. Articles of Faith, if I remember correctly are either crust or anarcho. MDC is kind of anarcho, probably would've been called that if they were from the UK, but instead they get lumped in with hardcore, but I could see them sliding. Thought Riot are just like a melodic hardcore band, or at least, used to be.

nuisance

13th July 2011, 00:24

probably mention already- dirt, exit-stance, rudimentary peni, riot clone etc. either way check this book out- http://www.artofthestate.co.uk/punk_photos/the_day_the_country_died_book.htm

Leftsolidarity

13th July 2011, 00:41

When you go to a party, get drunk, and punch a hole in the wall thats not "punk", thats just being a jerk.

Agreed. We have a solid punk scene in Rockford, Illinois and we've only ever had to deal with a few assholes like that and only 1 neo-nazi. (whom I promptly outted which got him kicked out of his band and banned from shows :lol:)
Our scene is almost entirely political even though it's not like a "requirement" or anything. The main punk house is sort of a commune type thing run by anarchists and we all do things to help out the community. To us "punk rock" isn't about be an asshole but just how to live with other people.

But sometimes shit happens. 1 time our bassist went straight through a wall. Kids have gone through garage windows. Water and gas pipes busted. Fun shit.

Leftsolidarity

13th July 2011, 00:43

Not anarcho punk. I guess some of the others could kind of be argues, or I don't know who they are.

CV, LC, and the other CRS7 bands are definitely anarchists. They are just not Crass style anarcho-punk.

SHORAS

13th July 2011, 00:54

Like some songs by Poison Girls and Cress (not Crass), Also, Crisis who weren't anarcos and Serious Drinking - check out 'the revolution starts at closing time'. Whoever posted the Go4 video, the original versions were much better! 'It's her factory', 'Armalite Rifle', 'Cheeseburger' etc some of my fav's. That last one was especially good as a live recoding. And who could forget 'Capital, it fails us now'!

The Douche

13th July 2011, 14:30

CV, LC, and the other CRS7 bands are definitely anarchists. They are just not Crass style anarcho-punk.

Those bands don't have the anarcho-punk sound, which was defined by bands like crass, and conflict, if you listen to them or contravene or flux, or lost cherees, or the mob or whatever, then you see an obvious difference between them. The crackrock bands are closer to crust than anarcho in my opinion, really their sound is somewhere in between, and with a little ska.

I don't really know if I'd call LOC an anarchist band, they don't seem to care much for politics outside of a few token things in their songs. I feel like they're the casualties of political punk. Maybe they're different know, I last saw them...shit, like 5 years ago.

nuisance

13th July 2011, 14:42

star fucking hipsters would be more anarcho. but i wouldn't necessary say they are, more squatcore with the other crack rock bands, the infested, indk etc.

nuisance

13th July 2011, 14:53

I don't really know if I'd call LOC an anarchist band, they don't seem to care much for politics outside of a few token things in their songs. I feel like they're the casualties of political punk. Maybe they're different know, I last saw them...shit, like 5 years ago.
in an interview stza said that he prefered the term autonomist to anarchist in describing himself, since his aim is to have more autonomy.

vandalia

13th July 2011, 15:33

I feel like Earth Crisis, albeit hardcore, has some green anarchism sentiments and are pretty good

Leftsolidarity

13th July 2011, 17:05

Those bands don't have the anarcho-punk sound, which was defined by bands like crass, and conflict, if you listen to them or contravene or flux, or lost cherees, or the mob or whatever, then you see an obvious difference between them. The crackrock bands are closer to crust than anarcho in my opinion, really their sound is somewhere in between, and with a little ska.

I hate to bring wiki into a conversation about this but I think that statement is just ridiculous.

Some use the term more broadly to refer to any punk music with anarchist lyrical content, including crust punk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crust_punk), d-beat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-beat), folk punk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_punk), hardcore punk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_punk), garage punk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garage_punk) or ska punk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ska_punk).

I do listen to crass, flux, conflict, etc. but just because CRS7 bands don't sounds just like them doesn't mean they aren't anarchist.

The Douche

13th July 2011, 17:41

I hate to bring wiki into a conversation about this but I think that statement is just ridiculous.

I do listen to crass, flux, conflict, etc. but just because CRS7 bands don't sounds just like them doesn't mean they aren't anarchist.

If you read that wiki, even the portion you quoted, you will notice it says "some use the term"... the lyrical content is not what defines it as anarcho-punk.

You can be an anarchist folk band, ska band, jazz band, opera singer whatever. But "anarcho-punk" is a specific genre, it has become common for people to call any band with anarchist lyrics "anarcho-punk" but it doesn't really make sense to classify a band like the mob, in with a band like behind enemy lines, you know, cause one is anarcho-punk, and the other is crust. Do they share similar influences and lyrical content? Yes. Are they both anarchist? Yes. Are they both punk? Yes. But they are not both anarcho-punk.

Just like metalcore isn't metal, even though they have similarities.

Leftsolidarity

13th July 2011, 17:44

You can be an anarchist folk band, ska band, jazz band, opera singer whatever. But "anarcho-punk" is a specific genre, it has become common for people to call any band with anarchist lyrics "anarcho-punk" but it doesn't really make sense to classify a band like the mob, in with a band like behind enemy lines, you know, cause one is anarcho-punk, and the other is crust. Do they share similar influences and lyrical content? Yes. Are they both anarchist? Yes. Are they both punk? Yes. But they are not both anarcho-punk.

I completely disagree

The Douche

13th July 2011, 17:54

I completely disagree

Cool story bro.

El Louton

19th July 2011, 21:34

Sorry, the sex pistols and the ramones are not punk.

Just cause you play punk music and wear funny clothes doesn't mean you're punk. No matter how much you and others say it.

The Sex Pistols invented Punk.

tm315

20th July 2011, 04:43

The Sex Pistols invented Punk.
This is a joke, right?

Anarchrusty

20th July 2011, 18:44

This is a joke, right?

Off course the Pistols never invented punk. I guess what he means is that they brought punk in the limelight in the UK. Whatever one may think of them, ''Never mind the bollocks'' really is the dog's bollocks!

HarperHater

20th July 2011, 21:35

I love Genocide Superstars and Aus Rotten.

I'd post some, but I'm still a noob here and don't have those permissions.

Leftsolidarity

20th July 2011, 21:43

Aus-Rotten kicks ass

Brigand

27th July 2011, 00:00

I used to hate the fact that some anarcho punk bands would have more samples from radioshows, interviews and whatever than actual music on their records and instead of having any good songs with a sharp message they would have a book come explaining what they meant to say.

Sure, now I should mention the bands but you have all heard them. Was I the only one who saw that? That the messages was good but the music was always not?

Leftsolidarity

27th July 2011, 03:54

Sure, now I should mention the bands but you have all heard them. Was I the only one who saw that? That the messages was good but the music was always not?

Nope, the music is good too.

Libertador

27th July 2011, 03:57

Rise Against are Democrats but their message is still positive.

Antiflag is the shit.

The Douche

30th July 2011, 16:22

Antiflag is shit.

Fixed.:cool:

pax et aequalitas

30th July 2011, 16:34

Crass and Propagandhi are awesome in my opinion, though Propagandhi isn't pure punk. It is more of Metal/punk crossover.

pluckedflowers

30th July 2011, 16:43

Surprised no one has mentioned Refused yet:

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Leftsolidarity

30th July 2011, 16:53

Fixed.:cool:

Why don't you like Anti-Flag? I can understand not liking anything they've done within the past few years but everything up to For Blood and Empire I think is really good.

The Douche

30th July 2011, 17:08

Why don't you like Anti-Flag? I can understand not liking anything they've done within the past few years but everything up to For Blood and Empire I think is really good.

I used to jam them when I was young, liked everything to like, underground network. But, its just not my style of music, and all the peacenik stuff is kinda boring.