sxe people

[the last donut of the night]

like youre not better for not getting high live a little

[gorillafuck]

double negative.

[Obs]

I read the thread title as "sexy people". Needless to say, I was confused. The post itself did nothing to alleviate this.

[Stand Your Ground]

People can live just fine without drugs & alcohol.

[Pirate Utopian]

I'm more a drinker than a stoner myself.

[The Douche]

:rolleyes:

[Quail]

Whether people choose to take drugs or not is up to them. Nothing wrong with a sober night out or whatever. I often drive when I go out to clubs, so I have to stay sober. As long as people don't preach at me when I do take drugs, I don't care.

[Magón]

I read the thread title as "sexy people". Needless to say, I was confused. The post itself did nothing to alleviate this.

sXe means Straight Edge.

[Broletariat]

sXe never made any sense to me. No drugs? Including medical drugs? It just seems silly, and if not no drugs, what is sXe? No illegal drugs? Isn't that just following the law?

[FreeFocus]

sXe never made any sense to me. No drugs? Including medical drugs? It just seems silly, and if not no drugs, what is sXe? No illegal drugs? Isn't that just following the law?

Straight edge is the lifelong commitment to avoid smoking, drinking, and drugs. It's not just abstaining from drug use. Also, I haven't met an Edger who considers medical drugs (when not abused) to be in the same category as, say, meth. I don't think any reasonable person would.

[Broletariat]

Straight edge is the lifelong commitment to avoid smoking, drinking, and drugs. It's not just abstaining from drug use. Also, I haven't met an Edger who considers medical drugs (when not abused) to be in the same category as, say, meth. I don't think any reasonable person would.

If you're avoiding drugs, I would assume that means avoiding drugs. Caffeine is a drug. Medical drugs are drugs.

Do sXe avoid drugs or not? I've never understood this point.

[FreeFocus]

If you're avoiding drugs, I would assume that means avoiding drugs. Caffeine is a drug. Medical drugs are drugs.

Do sXe avoid drugs or not? I've never understood this point.

You can have your own definition of it. I'm not going to go back and forth with semantics because clearly when Edgers say "drugs" we refer to, at the minimum, drugs like meth, cocaine, marijuana, etc. If that's just "following the law," then whatever (weed is legal in other countries and other drugs are decriminalized, yet there are still Edgers in these countries. So it doesn't exactly line up with "following the law").

Not all Edgers agree beyond this. Some consider caffeine unacceptable too. I don't, but I don't drink coffee because I usually don't like the taste.

[Ele'ill]

Drugs give me my edge.

[Os Cangaceiros]

There are some hardline sXe people who won't even take aspirin or drink caffeine (although I've never personally met them, just heard about them from other sXe kids who I went to school with).

[Agent Ducky]

Lol, I read the title as "sexy people" too.

It's their choice, let them do what they want to do.... I kind of identify with their ideas, (don't see the appeal in substance abuse) but maybe I'm just young....

[Nolan]

drug dealers should have their balls shot off. Like in Ireland

[Kuppo Shakur]

Man these guys are hardcore.
Sobriety is the most dangerous drug of all.

[Os Cangaceiros]

drug dealers should have their balls shot off. Like in Ireland

Palingenisis, is that you? :ohmy:

[Vendetta]

drugs like meth, cocaine, marijuana

I've had to stop recently, but weed =/= meth =/= cocaine.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

My brother is straight edge, although he broke it recently at a party. He got so drunk that he was hospitalized, and it was probably the most horrific night of my life, seeing my little bro in a hospital who's usually straight edge. Needless to say, he knows he can enjoy life just fine, if not better without alcohol or drugs. I wish I had the will power he does.

[Jazzratt]

I find the entire mentality and lifestyle of straitedge difficult to grasp - like with vegans and celibate non-asexuals. I mean, yeah I can see what they're doing and why on an intellectual level but it all looks to me like self-denial and ascetism. It's no skin off my nose, obviously, what people chose to put or not put in their (or others') bodies but everything about that decision requires a mindset so different to mine as to be almost alien. Probably why preachy flavours of edger (or vegan/vegetarian or celibates) piss me off so much - it's always an argument with basically no common points of reference.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

why do you think being straight edge has anything to do with denial? Its not like they're denying their fundamental need to indulge in substances or whatever, they just choose not to. i don't like the preachy ones though, i think its a personal choice and nothing more. people can put whatever they like into their bodies, or nothing at all should they want to.

[Jazzratt]

why do you think being straight edge has anything to do with denial? Its not like they're denying their fundamental need to indulge in substances or whatever, they just choose not to. It just looks that way to me. I don't think it's a fundamental need or anything but the option to induldge in substances is one I don't think I'd ever want to close to myself.

i don't like the preachy ones though, i think its a personal choice and nothing more. people can put whatever they like into their bodies, or nothing at all should they want to. People preaching anything tend to be annoying, I don't find sXe people uniquely annoying or anything. Also, obviously, they're welcome to their choice (more delicious drugs and alcohol for me) it's just one of those things I don't really understand as I said.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

It just looks that way to me. I don't think it's a fundamental need or anything but the option to induldge in substances is one I don't think I'd ever want to close to myself.
People preaching anything tend to be annoying, I don't find sXe people uniquely annoying or anything. Also, obviously, they're welcome to their choice (more delicious drugs and alcohol for me) it's just one of those things I don't really understand as I said.
fair enough. i think some people do it based on bad experiences. my bro has dealt with me being a pisshead and at one point quite a heavy drug user, plus my mum and dad drink a lot. i think some other people do it just for the label though, a bit like some vegetarians.

[Kamos]

I find the entire mentality and lifestyle of straitedge difficult to grasp - like with vegans and celibate non-asexuals. I mean, yeah I can see what they're doing and why on an intellectual level but it all looks to me like self-denial and ascetism. It's no skin off my nose, obviously, what people chose to put or not put in their (or others') bodies but everything about that decision requires a mindset so different to mine as to be almost alien. Probably why preachy flavours of edger (or vegan/vegetarian or celibates) piss me off so much - it's always an argument with basically no common points of reference.

Well, consider the other viewpoint. I myself belong to this group (although I've never heard of the term before). I don't drink, smoke, or use drugs. And I cannot comprehend why people do use them. Why is it beneficial to have your rational mind stripped off you? Why would you want to transform yourself into something inferior to your normal self? And this is just weed and the like, not smoking, which is unhealthy to not only yourself but also others - I would ban any form of smoking in front of other people, at the very least. Legalise weed for all I care, but every time some douchebag blows some cigarette smoke into my face I feel like going berserk.

(Besides, I don't even enjoy the taste of alcohol, except for the sweetest, least alcoholic kinds perhaps. So that makes it even easier for me to decline that swig of beer when offered.)

[Pirate Utopian]

Why is it beneficial to have your rational mind stripped off you? Why would you want to transform yourself into something inferior to your normal self?

Party hard.
gzd2qt_aOr0

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Well, consider the other viewpoint. I myself belong to this group (although I've never heard of the term before). I don't drink, smoke, or use drugs. And I cannot comprehend why people do use them. Why is it beneficial to have your rational mind stripped off you?

It's "beneficial" because it feels good. Also, you're only "stripped" of your rational faculties if you heavily indulge or take some seriously strong stuff.

As well as pleasure, there is also self-exploration. Certain drugs such as LSD, magic mushrooms and DMT can (usually temporarily) transform one's perspective of the world. Speaking as someone who was brought up in an irreligious household, and has been an atheist ever since, it's the closest I'm likely to get to a "spiritual" experience.


Why would you want to transform yourself into something inferior to your normal self?

Long division may be more difficult for some after a few bevies or a couple of joints, but that's not why such things are consumed.

Besides, I invite you to look at my posts outside Chit-Chat, and see if you can tell which ones were made when I was stoned and which ones I made when I was sober.

[FreeFocus]

I've had to stop recently, but weed =/= meth =/= cocaine.

I didn't say the effects are the same. I merely gave examples of what is included under the category "drugs" for those who are straight edge.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Great bunch of shit it is...


Straight edge refers to a subculture of hardcore punk which was a direct reaction to the sexual revolution, hedonism, and excess associated with punk rock.

...Originally, straight edge was most closely associated with hardcore punk which developed in the late 1970s and early 1980s, and was partly characterized by shouted rather than sung vocals. Straight edge individuals of this early era often associated with the original punk ideals such as individualism, disdain for work and school, and live-for-the-moment attitudes.

....As one of the few prominent 1970s hard rock icons to explicitly eschew alcohol and drug use, singer/guitarist Ted Nugent [rabid right-wing piece of shit] was also a key influence on the straight edge ideology.

[danyboy27]

the only thing i would get drunk with is power.

[Manic Impressive]

I think any "preaching" is only done out of concern. Many of the "straight edge" people have had experience whether personal or with family or friends which have formed these opinions. I occaisionally find that people who do drugs are so busy defending drugs that they live in denial about the negative effects and how easy it can be to go from recreational use to addiction. I also realize that "preachy" people are extremely annoying in whatever their opinion is whether it be anti-drugs, anti-alcahol, vegetarianism/veganism or whatever. Unfortunately some of us have to be a bit preachy sometimes we've seen the worst side of it and we don't want others to have to go through it aswell. However, our good intentions usually have absolutely no effect.

Hope that helps anyone trying to understand where us preachy people are coming from.

[Robespierre Richard]

I used to smoke cigs, drink alcohol, smoke weed, and drink caffeinated beverages, but I no longer do because of either health concerns (alcoholic, caffeine allergy) or just a personal decision not to. Does this count as straight edge?

[FreeFocus]

I used to smoke cigs, drink alcohol, smoke weed, and drink caffeinated beverages, but I no longer do because of either health concerns (alcoholic, caffeine allergy) or just a personal decision not to. Does this count as straight edge?

Do you think the label provides validation? The important thing is that you changed your life. Some Edgers will say yes, some will say no (because you did those things in the past). The main criteria for me is if the person considers it a lifelong commitment. Taking a "break" doesn't make a person straight edge.

[Robespierre Richard]

Do you think the label provides validation? The important thing is that you changed your life. Some Edgers will say yes, some will say no (because you did those things in the past). The main criteria for me is if the person considers it a lifelong commitment. Taking a "break" doesn't make a person straight edge.

Oh I don't care lol I hate 80-90% of punk music, I was just wondering if it qualified.

[Jazzratt]

Great bunch of shit it is...
....As one of the few prominent 1970s hard rock icons to explicitly eschew alcohol and drug use, singer/guitarist Ted Nugent [rabid right-wing piece of shit] was also a key influence on the straight edge ideology. I somehow don't think that the underlined bit was in the original wiki article. :lol:

[FreeFocus]

Oh I don't care lol I hate 80-90% of punk music, I was just wondering if it qualified.

I don't even consider the musical component of it anymore. That's the origins of the lifestyle as something people consciously identify with, but it's grown beyond that. I used to listen to some punk (not necessarily edge punk) but I don't fuck with it anymore lol

[black magick hustla]

broke the edge when i was 14

[praxis1966]

...smoking, which is unhealthy to not only yourself but also others - I would ban any form of smoking in front of other people, at the very least. ...[B]ut every time some douchebag blows some cigarette smoke into my face I feel like going berserk.

I think Noxion's done a pretty good job of answering your other concerns, but I'd just like to respond to this bit. Do you have a similar reaction to people who drive cars? I only ask because according to the US Bureau of Transit Statistics, there were 250,844,644 passenger vehicles registered in the US in 2006 (the most recent statistical year) but there are only about 46 million smokers in the US (source (http://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/cancer/articles/2009/11/12/progress-in-stamping-out-smoking-has-stalled)). Given the statistical probability, I'd say you were much more likely to suffer adverse health effects from auto pollution than second hand smoke...

To put it another way, the g/f's grandmother (who has never smoked in her life) made one, that's right, one trip to Mexico City. She didn't have asthma before hand, now she does and it wasn't because of fucking cigarettes. So forgive me if I don't see your position as logically consistent.

[Quail]

I don't like people being "preachy," but I can understand how hard it can be not to come off as preachy sometimes. I'm not straight edge, but I'm a strict vegetarian and it's really awkward when my friends cook a fry-up with nothing vegetarian in it because obviously the topic comes up and it's kind of hard to explain why I don't eat meat to someone who is eating meat without sounding preachy.

[Manic Impressive]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh2wST3eLBg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9ySCcnoo3c)

[Stand Your Ground]

I'm edge but I don't go as far as caffeine & medical drugs. I don't consider caffeine a drug because it doesn't effect your mind to the point where it's hard or even impossible to function. And I only take medical drugs if it's absolutely necessary. But anyway to each their own, I still don't know why edgers & non-edgers argue, do you and let everyone else do what they want.

[Lord Testicles]

People can live just fine without drugs & alcohol.

Yeah, but they are soulless husks, shuffling from work to bed and back, who without the burden lifting pleasures of intoxicants have had their joy and life sucked out of them by this vapid world.

[Kamos]

Yeah, but they are soulless husks, shuffling from work to bed and back, who without the burden lifting pleasures of intoxicants have had their joy and life sucked out of them by this vapid world.

Or, alternatively, they lead happy lives without poisoning their minds.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Or, alternatively, they lead happy lives without poisoning their minds.

Firstly, not all intoxicants are literal poisons, which indicates your statement is a moralistic rather than scientific one.

Second, even the intoxicants that are also poisons are dealt with adequately by the body in moderate amounts, so complete abstention doesn't make sense on purely health-based grounds either.

Whence this moral imperative to maintain a clear head constantly? Sure, there are certain activities which should be done sober, but there is so much more to life than serious duties and activities requiring undivided and unprejudiced attention.

[Manic Impressive]

S-YLa5VlY6I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-YLa5VlY6I)

[Lord Testicles]

Or, alternatively, they lead happy lives without poisoning their minds.

Yeah, like that ever happens. Stop being so naive.

[Agent Ducky]

Can't we all just respect each others' decisions and get over ourselves?

[El Rojo]

i have a straight edger living in my uni flat.

he is boring as fuck.

just sayin'

[Magón]

Can't we all just respect each others' decisions and get over ourselves?

Most of the time, both sides do get along fairly well, but there are still parts of the two sides that are always at each other's throats.

[Stand Your Ground]

i have a straight edger living in my uni flat.

he is boring as fuck.

just sayin'
To be fair, I know quite a few alchoholics that are really boring as well.

Just sayin.

[Princess Luna]

To be fair, I know quite a few alchoholics that are really boring as well.

Just sayin.
Easy cure for that, give him some acid :thumbup1:

[Nolan]

Our minds should be free. Not pumped full of shit that kills brain cells and makes you lose your job.

[agnixie]

I have less trouble being coherent drunk or stoned than when my blood pressure goes through the floor, or in some cases even sober and comfortably ahead of the deadline (as opposed to adrenaline rushed), at least going by some of the reactions to my papers.
I think straight edge isn't for me :p

[The Douche]

I hate when people refer to anybody who doesn't drink or doesn't smoke or is some sort of "goody-goody" as "straight edge". You can't be edge if you're not in the hardcore/punk scene.

And people who are so reliant upon drugs/alcohol for their identity are so pathetic when they need to attack others for a simple choice to abstain from certain substances. I wonder if all these people with such moronic statements about straight edge also attack vegans/vegetarians in the same way. Or people who choose not to eat fast food or sodas.

[Rusty Shackleford]

meh.

[La Comédie Noire]

Let 'em be.

[Princess Luna]

I hate when people refer to anybody who doesn't drink or doesn't smoke or is some sort of "goody-goody" as "straight edge". You can't be edge if you're not in the hardcore/punk scene.

And people who are so reliant upon drugs/alcohol for their identity are so pathetic when they need to attack others for a simple choice to abstain from certain substances. I wonder if all these people with such moronic statements about straight edge also attack vegans/vegetarians in the same way. Or people who choose not to eat fast food or sodas.
My dislike of straight edge people has nothing to do with the fact they abstain from drugs and alcohol (which to be honest, is a smart idea) but the "holier-then-thou" additude, some of them have. Just because somebody doesn't smoke pot or drink beer does not give them a right to prance around on a moral high-horse, telling us "lesser beings" that we are brain dead zombies.

[Aeval]

I don't consider caffeine a drug because it doesn't effect your mind to the point where it's hard or even impossible to function.

That's interesting, caffeine has like the highest rates of addiction among adults in the West, the main reason it doesn't cause too much of a problem is the fact that it's so cheap, so people rarely can't afford to get their fix. If for some reason people can't get any then they can get horrible withdrawal symptoms:


Experiments have shown that 50 percent of people got headaches when their java was taken away and 13 percent were sick enough to lose time at work

Also, it is a stimulant, take it in a large enough quantity and of course it effects you mind. I started drinking hefty amounts of caffeine when going out (weirdly enough because I stopped drinking alcohol over lent) and I'd be absolutely buzzing. Whilst living in Berlin we all drank so much caffeine that I had to force myself through a two week withdrawal where I literally couldn't function, I missed like a week off uni and just laid on my bed feeling like shit. A friend drank so much Club Mate one night she looked like she was on speed (massive pupils, clenching her hands, gurning, and behaving very erratically), and my house mate had built up such a tolerance to it that he had to drink like 6 cups of coffee a day, plus caffeinated fizzy drinks, just to stay normal, and if he needed to stay awake he had to take actual caffeine powder.

Caffeine is my weakness, and it's so difficult not to have because it's so socially acceptable, I'd never had this problem with pills or weed :lol: Anyhoos, I get being straightedge, people get their kicks from different things. I've only known two straightedgers well and both of them did some type of extreme sport, so they just prefer adrenaline whereas other people prefer serotonin or whatever. They still get their highs somewhere, they're not like "my body is my temple" hippie types who refuse to even eat something that once sat near to a chemical, so they're fine by me :)

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

My dislike of straight edge people has nothing to do with the fact they abstain from drugs and alcohol (which to be honest, is a smart idea) but the "holier-then-thou" additude, some of them have. Just because somebody doesn't smoke pot or drink beer does not give them a right to prance around on a moral high-horse, telling us "lesser beings" that we are brain dead zombies.
most of them don't though. none of the straight edge people i know could give a shit what people put into their body, nor do they judge people for it.

its always the same, drinkers and drug users bash straight edge people, meat eaters bash vegetarians or vegans and make all these dumb accusations about how much these people sit on their high horse, its actually the other way round ironically enough.

'ooh look at the boring straight edge person!' or 'haha what a loser, he doesn't eat meat' etc etc etc. The only people I see on their high horses are the ones who fucking complain about what people decide not to put in their body.

[Tablo]

One of my best friends is a holier than thou individual that quit smoking and doing all substances outside of common shit like caffeine. Talkign about this shit with her pisses mme the fuck off to such an extreme I cannot describe. I have no problem with anyone not wanting to do certain or all drugs, but they got t realize everytume they eat or breathe, they are consuming a mind altering substances however mild. People need to quit fucking critisizing my lifestyle. I'm a fucking addiced shit bag, buit I'm ten times fucking smarter than a lot of the fucking straight edge shit bags I come across. YOU AREN'T FUCKING BETTER THAN ME SO SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111

Edit: I'm drunk

[bcbm]

i'm a person just like you but i have better things to do than sit around an fuck up my head and hang out with the living dead, snort white shit up my nose and pass out at the shows

i dont even think about speed its just not something that i need


i dont want to sit around and smoke dope i know that i can cope, i laugh at the thought of eating ludes and at the thought of sniffing glue, i always want to keep in touch and i never want to use a crutch

[The Douche]

My dislike of straight edge people has nothing to do with the fact they abstain from drugs and alcohol (which to be honest, is a smart idea) but the "holier-then-thou" additude, some of them have. Just because somebody doesn't smoke pot or drink beer does not give them a right to prance around on a moral high-horse, telling us "lesser beings" that we are brain dead zombies.

I have never had anybody say anything rude to me or look down their nose at me for not being edge, and I have dozens of edge friends, some of them go to parties with me.

In my experience its the kids who see drinking and drug use as an "identity" who are holier than though, and never shut up about how much they hate edge kids.

Who's really the asshole, the edge kids who say "you shouldn't drink at shows" or the drunk idiots who get wasted at a local venue, throw their beer cans in the parking lot/neighbor's yard, get the cops called, and the venue closed?

[Pirate Utopian]

Are straightedgers an American thing? Cause I havent seen one in real life ever.

[Die Rote Fahne]

Speaking as a former sXe kid, i did not think I was superior to anyone and I didnt preach. It was just that I didn't want to poison myself. But I do know there are preachy sxe people..,pretty annoying.

[praxis1966]

Who's really the asshole, the edge kids who say "you shouldn't drink at shows" or the drunk idiots who get wasted at a local venue, throw their beer cans in the parking lot/neighbor's yard, get the cops called, and the venue closed?

Dude, I totally agree with you here and I drink. The thing is, what you're talking about is generally the behavior of children or young adults who recently reached drinking age... Those are the fuckheads who don't know how to act when sauced (largely because they don't know how to act when not sauced either) and also the ones who are the likeliest to completely overdo it... You won't generally find very many people over the age of 30 acting that way in my experience. And yeah, this is only just anecdotal but it's coming from a guy who's spent a lot of time working as a bouncer.


Are straightedgers an American thing? Cause I havent seen one in real life ever.

Pretty much. I think there are some in Mexico and Canada, but I think that's primarily to do with the close proximity to the US.

[The Douche]

You won't generally find very many people over the age of 30 acting that way in my experience.

You also won't find many people over the age of 30 at punk or hardcore shows.



Are straightedgers an American thing? Cause I havent seen one in real life ever.


No. It's a punk/hardcore thing.

[praxis1966]

You also won't find many people over the age of 30 at punk or hardcore shows.

A) I'm 32 and I go to plenty. B) I guess I can understand the attitudes of sXe kids toward booze and what not given that the only experience they have with people who use it is people of that age group. To me, though, it sounds a little myopic and egocentric to base an entire world view on such limited experience. But then again, you'd be just as hard pressed to find somebody under the age of 23 who isn't myopic and egocentric as you would people who are over the age of 30 at punk and hardcore shows. That's just the nature of adolescence I suppose.

At any rate, I guess you could say I kinda see both sides of this issue... Y'know, given that I'm a vegetarian and not edge. I'm sorta in a middle ground, which means I've taken shit from all sides (and given it, for that matter), lol.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

I somehow don't think that the underlined bit was in the original wiki article. :lol:

That's why I bracketed it.

[Nolan]

I have never touched a drug in my life and I don't plan on it. One time a cop patted me on the back because I'm such a wonderful citizen. Another time I got the job instead of some druggie because he thought he was so cool he had no respect for his boss.

All you crack-smoking douchebags could learn a thing or two from me.

JUST SAY NO TO DRUGS!

[Quail]

Also, it is a stimulant, take it in a large enough quantity and of course it effects you mind. I started drinking hefty amounts of caffeine when going out (weirdly enough because I stopped drinking alcohol over lent) and I'd be absolutely buzzing. Whilst living in Berlin we all drank so much caffeine that I had to force myself through a two week withdrawal where I literally couldn't function, I missed like a week off uni and just laid on my bed feeling like shit. A friend drank so much Club Mate one night she looked like she was on speed (massive pupils, clenching her hands, gurning, and behaving very erratically), and my house mate had built up such a tolerance to it that he had to drink like 6 cups of coffee a day, plus caffeinated fizzy drinks, just to stay normal, and if he needed to stay awake he had to take actual caffeine powder.

I've done that a few times too when I've been out in town and been driving. I don't drink and drive obviously, so I drink energy drinks to keep myself awake and alert, but it's actually kind of questionable how safe I actually am to drive when I'm totally wired.

[Nolan]

You all are just scenesters wanting to rebel

[L.A.P.]

Who's really the asshole, the edge kids who say "you shouldn't drink at shows" or the drunk idiots who get wasted at a local venue, throw their beer cans in the parking lot/neighbor's yard, get the cops called, and the venue closed?

Hence the "holier than thou" attitude.

[Quail]

Dude, seriously?
I think it's a joke, taking the piss out of the usual crazy anti-drug people in every drug thread on this forum.

[Obs]

Honestly I don't care if people do drugs or not, and neither should any of you. At the risk of sounding trite, live and let live. I don't base my identity or my self-worth on the fact that I smoke pot fairly often, and I wouldn't define anyone else by whether or not they do drugs. Anyone who thinks that's any way to categorise people can go fuck a goat and choke huffing paint.

EDIT: I am also drunk.

[The Douche]

Hence the "holier than thou" attitude.

Caring about your scene and wanting to preserve a space for music="holier than thou"?

I'm not edge, and I have forcefully removed people from our shows for being to drunk or for drinking at the venue.

[Princess Luna]

Caring about your scene and wanting to preserve a space for music="holier than thou"?

I'm not edge, and I have forcefully removed people from our shows for being to drunk or for drinking at the venue.
If someone is drunk than removing them is understandable, but kicking someone out for just drinking is a pretty jerk thing to do.

[praxis1966]

If someone is drunk than removing them is understandable, but kicking someone out for just drinking is a pretty jerk thing to do.

Not really. If they're anything like the ones I've been to (and in some cases organized), a lot of the time the kinds of local and underground shows he's talking about are held at venues that that don't allow alcohol (community centers, public parks, etc) or warehouses and such that somebody's rented and sort of jerry rigged it to be used as a venue. In either case, you can bet your sweet ass that the pigs are watching you like hawks (as they will do just about anyplace young people congregate) and will use any excuse they can to shut down the show and in some cases crack a few melons. All it takes is one 16 year old with a 40 hangin' around drinking most of the time... Never mind that most of the time these places don't have liquor licenses so it wouldn't really matter if the person drinking was of age. We're not talking about music halls or clubs or whatever.

[The Douche]

If someone is drunk than removing them is understandable, but kicking someone out for just drinking is a pretty jerk thing to do.

Praxis nailed it. Obviously I have no problem with people drinking at shows where alcohol is served. But when you bring it in to a venue that doesn't allow it they get mad, and next thin you know they won't let you have shows anymore because it puts them at risk. If you can't respect the scene and the places supporting it then you shouldn't be a part of it, know what I mean?

[praxis1966]

If you can't respect the scene and the places supporting it then you shouldn't be a part of it, know what I mean?

Exactly. And I guess since obviously some people don't get it, I should mention that these kinds of shows are the meat and potatoes of the punk/hardcore scene. Oh sure, it's nice when Warped (not that they really support punk like they used to but that's a separate issue) or your favorite 'name' band rolls through town. But those shows don't happen all that often, and they don't happen at all in smaller towns. So these DIY shows, which have been going on every Friday and Saturday night all across the US for decades, wind up being the primary sustenance of the scene.

[Tablo]

Praxis nailed it. Obviously I have no problem with people drinking at shows where alcohol is served. But when you bring it in to a venue that doesn't allow it they get mad, and next thin you know they won't let you have shows anymore because it puts them at risk. If you can't respect the scene and the places supporting it then you shouldn't be a part of it, know what I mean?
I know what you mean. I was helping host an event one time that had a Rave(a shitty one). It was meant to be for all ages and was on campus so no alcohol was allowed. Some shitbag decided to sneak some in and we had to throw him out and shut the whole thing down. Sometimes people need to follow some simple rules. If you can't go a couple hours without getting your drink on you should be at a bar and not ruining everyone else shit.

[Kuppo Shakur]

At least we can all agree on this: One thing that's worse than "drug culture" people and sxe people combined: Those people who are addicted to caffeine and are somehow so fucking proud about it. amirite? "OH MAN I NEED MY COFFEE DON'T EVEN TALK TO ME I'LL KILL YOU FOR SOME FRENCH VANILLA ROAST haha jk, man. But really I'm getting the shakes."
There's way too many people like that.

[KC]

This one dude I know that's straight edge was at a bar visiting some friends and I was hammered and forgot and offered to buy him a beer hahahaha. Luckily my sxe buddies are respectful of others' decisions so he didn't have a problem with it.

A lot of former sxe friends are now the heaviest drinkers/smokers I know, haha

[Pavlov's House Party]

At least we can all agree on this: One thing that's worse than "drug culture" people and sxe people combined: Those people who are addicted to caffeine and are somehow so fucking proud about it. amirite? "OH MAN I NEED MY COFFEE DON'T EVEN TALK TO ME I'LL KILL YOU FOR SOME FRENCH VANILLA ROAST haha jk, man. But really I'm getting the shakes."
There's way too many people like that.

As someone who was heavily addicted to caffeine (only moderately addicted now, yay!), I can always tell if someone's exaggerating the effects of consuming a lot of caffeine, which is more often than not. It's like when kids drink at parties and through some placebo effect or just for drama they start telling everyone how fucking drunk they are after having two beers. I saw my buddy who barely takes any kind of caffeine a few weeks ago who claimed to have drank two pots of coffee and was acting like a cartoon character. I told him that if he actually drank two pots of coffee he'd be on the floor with his head spinning wanting to vomit and having to go for a piss every 5 minutes.

Most of those people are just exaggerating for one reason or another, and as someone who is actually addicted it is very aggravating.

[Kamos]

Firstly, not all intoxicants are literal poisons, which indicates your statement is a moralistic rather than scientific one.

"Not all" implies "most" in this case. A larger than usual chance of addiction counts as well.


Whence this moral imperative to maintain a clear head constantly? Sure, there are certain activities which should be done sober, but there is so much more to life than serious duties and activities requiring undivided and unprejudiced attention.

Whoosh, there flies the point over your head. What I wanted to express was that you don't need drugs to be happy. At least not necessarily - some people might. This was in response to the guy who claimed I was a soulless husk (his words, not mine).


Yeah, like that ever happens. Stop being so naive.

Well, here I am, leading a happy life. What have you got to say to that?

[Spawn of Stalin]

Honestly if one of my friends offered to buy me a beer I would punch them in the face and keep punching them in the face until they apologised. For real. I don't even get offended by that shit, but the shit gets so irritating when people who know you don't do no drugs offer to buy you a drink just to troll you. It's funny like the first ten times but when you've been like seven or eight years without a drink, it just becomes stupid and you start to realise how people (even some of your homeboys) look down on you just because you like being sober. Fuckin jokers need some sense knocked into them.

[Jazzratt]

Honestly if one of my friends offered to buy me a beer I would punch them in the face and keep punching them in the face until they apologised. For real. I don't even get offended by that shit, but the shit gets so irritating when people who know you don't do no drugs offer to buy you a drink just to troll you. It's funny like the first ten times but when you've been like seven or eight years without a drink, it just becomes stupid and you start to realise how people (even some of your homeboys) look down on you just because you like being sober. Fuckin jokers need some sense knocked into them. I don't think you actually have any friends. Certainly none that would want to waste the money it takes to buy you a drink.

[Bright Banana Beard]

I don't think you actually have any friends. Certainly none that would want to waste the money it takes to buy you a drink.

wait, Jazzratt has friends!?!?

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

It's a matter of personal choice. I like my drugs and am not personally into alcohol as much. If someone else doesn't have the same preference, that is their own preference.

It's stupid to make some issue or cause out of that. Next thing you know people will be arguing whether they prefer skinny jeans or a miniskirt.

[Spawn of Stalin]

I don't think you actually have any friends. Certainly none that would want to waste the money it takes to buy you a drink.

That's kind of a stupid thing to say, even in chit chat. Show respect or jump off a building.

[Lord Testicles]

Well, here I am, leading a happy life. What have you got to say to that?

You're lying, or you've misspelled empty as "happy" somehow.

[Thirsty Crow]

Well, here I am, leading a happy life. What have you got to say to that?
Are you a capitalist?
Or a middle man of sorts? Supervisor? A celebrity?
I wanna know, really.

[Jazzratt]

That's kind of a stupid thing to say, even in chit chat. Show respect or jump off a building. I guess I could have been more tactful ut I don't personally think anyone I know would bother to keep the company of someone so self righteous, yet strangely insecure, as to want to "punch them in the face and keep punching them in the face until they apologised" simply because they'd been offered a drink. It doesn't strike me as an attitude conducive to maintaining healthy relationships with other human beings.

[gorillafuck]

anyone who talks about straightedge from any point of view regardless of whether it's for or against needs to shut up.

[Bright Banana Beard]

You're lying, or you've misspelled empty as "happy" somehow.

The underlying tone here suggests me that you aren't happy with your own life and are using drugs to get away from issues.

Quite sad, really.

[Comrade J]

To all the people who don't like drugs.

Fine, don't take drugs, but shut the fuck up. Let others do whatever they want to their own body, it's not your business. Fucking reactionaries.

[The Douche]

Honestly if one of my friends offered to buy me a beer I would punch them in the face and keep punching them in the face until they apologised. For real. I don't even get offended by that shit, but the shit gets so irritating when people who know you don't do no drugs offer to buy you a drink just to troll you. It's funny like the first ten times but when you've been like seven or eight years without a drink, it just becomes stupid and you start to realise how people (even some of your homeboys) look down on you just because you like being sober. Fuckin jokers need some sense knocked into them.

Would buy you (like I do for all my straight edge friends) a shot of sprite.


Fine, don't take drugs, but shut the fuck up. Let others do whatever they want to their own body, it's not your business. Fucking reactionaries.

Thread was started by a person who uses drugs, complaining about straight edge, just like all threads involving the edge on this website are.

[Rusty Shackleford]

http://static.images.memegenerator.net/Instances400/7/7635/7818376.jpg

Note* i dont care if you are sXe or not. i usually respect when they dont want me to smoke near them. But, it gets annoying to be harassed by sXe people for smoking.

[Johnny Kerosene]

One time a cop patted me on the back because I'm such a wonderful citizen.

You're proud of that?

I don't encourage people who don't want to drink or smoke to drink or smoke. But don't start giving me shit because I'm enjoying myself.

"Don't take life too seriously, no one get's out alive."

[Communist Pear]

At least we can all agree on this: One thing that's worse than "drug culture" people and sxe people combined: Those people who are addicted to caffeine and are somehow so fucking proud about it. amirite? "OH MAN I NEED MY COFFEE DON'T EVEN TALK TO ME I'LL KILL YOU FOR SOME FRENCH VANILLA ROAST haha jk, man. But really I'm getting the shakes."
There's way too many people like that.
Guilty.

[Quail]

The underlying tone here suggests me that you aren't happy with your own life and are using drugs to get away from issues.

Quite sad, really.
Yeah, it's totally sad to use "getting high" to escape from your problems. Only losers develop unhealthy ways of dealing with problems in their life or things they're unhappy with. I think that if I was less of a sad and pathetic loser, I would be able to deal with my problems in a much better way. Thanks for your helpful and non-judgmental comment.

[Die Rote Fahne]

I used to be sXe, then I enjoyed marijuana...yyyeahh sonnn

[Comrade J]

Guilty.

Same. I love my caffeine addiction though, nothing nicer than a cup of coffee in the morning.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f216/comrade-j/coffee.jpg

[Spawn of Stalin]

I guess I could have been more tactful ut I don't personally think anyone I know would bother to keep the company of someone so self righteous, yet strangely insecure, as to want to "punch them in the face and keep punching them in the face until they apologised" simply because they'd been offered a drink. It doesn't strike me as an attitude conducive to maintaining healthy relationships with other human beings.
But it's not a question of simply being offered a drink, if you walked up to me and offered me a drink, I'd be like "no thanks, I don't drink, I got a lemonade sitting right over there, have a good night". But one thing I do take issue with, is people who know very well that you don't drink, offering you alcohol, because 50% of the time they are trying to get you to have a drink because they think people who don't do that are boring, and the other 50 they're just taking the piss, and that's not cool in my view. It's not self-righteous, I don't go around preaching and shit, I mind my own business and let them do whatever they want to to their bodies, just as I expect them to mind their own business. And I'm certainly not insecure, if anything people egging you on constantly to have a drink suggests insecurity on their part. Like I said, it's funny at first, but the last time I touched any intoxicant I was like 17 or something, I'm 24 now and when it's the same few people after all those years trying to turn you into something you have no desire to be (a person who drinks, a pot smoker, whatever), yeah, you start to realise how those people think less of you because you want to stay sober. And if you ask me, looking down on people because of their wish to stay sober is dumb, but giving them shit about it everytime you see them in town at the weekend, that deserves a good smack in the mouth. I'm sure you can appreciate where I'm coming from, even if you don't think they deserve that.

[Spawn of Stalin]

http://static.images.memegenerator.net/Instances400/7/7635/7818376.jpg

Note* i dont care if you are sXe or not. i usually respect when they dont want me to smoke near them. But, it gets annoying to be harassed by sXe people for smoking.

Saved, thank you.

[Spawn of Stalin]

To all the people who don't like drugs.

Fine, don't take drugs, but shut the fuck up. Let others do whatever they want to their own body, it's not your business. Fucking reactionaries.
Man you know what I'm not even on any of that shit, my Mum smokes a bunch of cannabis, and I don't harass her about it because it's her choice to get high every so often. It's only when I see someone I care about who is making drugs their sole purpose in life, that I'm going to say something, not because I want to have to do that, just because I care. You all know the kind of person I'm talking about, I used to be that same person back in school and I screwed everything up, only in the last two years have I got back on my feet, got a good paying job, a nice house, etc.

[praxis1966]

But it's not a question of simply being offered a drink, if you walked up to me and offered me a drink, I'd be like "no thanks, I don't drink, I got a lemonade sitting right over there, have a good night". But one thing I do take issue with, is people who know very well that you don't drink, offering you alcohol, because 50% of the time they are trying to get you to have a drink because they think people who don't do that are boring, and the other 50 they're just taking the piss, and that's not cool in my view. It's not self-righteous, I don't go around preaching and shit, I mind my own business and let them do whatever they want to to their bodies, just as I expect them to mind their own business. And I'm certainly not insecure, if anything people egging you on constantly to have a drink suggests insecurity on their part. Like I said, it's funny at first, but the last time I touched any intoxicant I was like 17 or something, I'm 24 now and when it's the same few people after all those years trying to turn you into something you have no desire to be (a person who drinks, a pot smoker, whatever), yeah, you start to realise how those people think less of you because you want to stay sober. And if you ask me, looking down on people because of their wish to stay sober is dumb, but giving them shit about it everytime you see them in town at the weekend, that deserves a good smack in the mouth. I'm sure you can appreciate where I'm coming from, even if you don't think they deserve that.

For what it's worth, I do understand where you're coming from. It's analogous to my vegetarianism. I can't even begin to count the number of times somebody's engaged in the kind of obnoxious behavior you're talking about, only with meat... Literally sticking half-eaten hamburgers or beef burritos less than an inch in front of my face, waving them back and forth going, "Ooooh doesn't that look good?!" knowing full well I'd been a vegetarian since the day I was conceived. Never mind that I don't know anyone who would find half-eaten food appetizing whether they ate meat or not.

On the other hand, it's an exercise in futility getting worked up about it. So you could say I see Jazzrat's point as well. People are fucking stupid, generally speaking, and there's no getting around that. The only solution is to calmly guilt trip them for their behavior. If that doesn't work, stop associating with them if it bothers you so much. I mean, let's be realistic. There's nothing forcing you to be around people who act that way so why get your blood pressure up about it?

Like I said, I can see both sides of the issue...

[Spawn of Stalin]

Oh I definitely agree with you on both fronts, I know getting pissed off isn't going to change anything, but it's difficult not to. And yeah, I'm a lifelong veg too, so I've had to deal with EXACTLY the same things you are talking about. It sucks but people are idiots.

[Quail]

Maybe getting pissed off with people makes them do it more, because they get a reaction? People can be pretty stupid.

[Communist Pear]

Same. I love my caffeine addiction though, nothing nicer than a cup of coffee in the morning.

Hmmm, yeah, love that first sip. It's a bit of a nuisance that I get a headache if I don't drink it, though. :laugh:

[FreeFocus]

To all the people who don't like drugs.

Fine, don't take drugs, but shut the fuck up. Let others do whatever they want to their own body, it's not your business. Fucking reactionaries.

This thread was started by someone who isn't straight edge. I've never seen a thread on here started by someone who is straight edge attacking those who aren't. The fact is that RevLeft is a very hostile environment for edgers, as evidenced not only by your comment ("shut the fuck up" when we haven't really said anything offensive in this thread, which we didn't start in the first place; "fucking reactionaries," really?) but widespread sentiment throughout the thread.

[Jazzratt]

The fact is that RevLeft is a very hostile environment for edgers, as evidenced not only by your comment ("shut the fuck up" when we haven't really said anything offensive in this thread, which we didn't start in the first place; "fucking reactionaries," really?) but widespread sentiment throughout the thread. The ascetic mentality isn't given much time by leftists? Well fuck me ragged, I for one couldn't possibly think why that is.

[Spawn of Stalin]

I wouldn't go as far to say that all or even most straight edge people are asceticists. The most important thing to consider is that people generally do it for their own personal reasons, and that it doesn't harm anybody.

[FreeFocus]

The ascetic mentality isn't given much time by leftists? Well fuck me ragged, I for one couldn't possibly think why that is.

I don't find anything inherently wrong with asceticism. To me it's only a problem when people begin advocating for it to distract people from meeting "worldly" needs - food, decent living standards, etc. I only oppose it when people attempt to use some type of "spirituality" to prevent people from organizing in their interests to improve their lives. For you to equate a straight edge lifestyle with this function of asceticism is, frankly, pathetic.

There are people who drink and smoke on here who don't feel the need to "brag" about it or whatever or constantly attack edgers. I disagree with their lifestyle decisions but it's their right. At least they are secure in themselves about their behavior and don't feel the need to attack other people are every opportunity.

[REVLEFT'S BIEGGST MATSER TROL]

tbh I'm pretty sure there is a correlation between being boring and stupid, and taking a lot of drugs. At least out of the people I know, the people I find the most utterly tiresome are those that do a lot of drugs. Not because I hate drugs or something, but it seems somewhat disturbed to make experiencing pleasurable effects from inanimate chemicals rather than actual living and feeling human beings and all that. I guess its kinda akin to the people who would want live in some kind of perfect virtual reality, rather than real life. Except theese guys, at least at my age/area, seem to like to argue they are taking some kinda noble stance, or on a quest of self discovery or something. Just seems theres more to the human experience, even if drugs can be a fun part of it, although I couldn't exactly say what.

[REVLEFT'S BIEGGST MATSER TROL]

Honestly if one of my friends offered to buy me a beer I would punch them in the face and keep punching them in the face until they apologised.

http://www.sonnyradio.com/susanboylebanner.jpg

[The Douche]

Revleft, if you don't do drugs, you're a reactionary.

[Quail]

tbh I'm pretty sure there is a correlation between being boring and stupid, and taking a lot of drugs.
I'd say there's more of a correlation between being boring and taking too many drugs. When I was in secondary school one of my friends became a massive stoner and all his conversations ended up being about different types of weed, which became a bit tiresome. Everything in moderation, etc. I think that doing drugs socially can enhance your experience. Most people use drugs to enhance their experiences, not to replace them. Drugs can also have useful therapeutic benefits, for example being drunk or taking pills allows me to talk to people about my mental health instead of bottling it up. Yeah, would be better if I could talk about it without using drugs, but it is definitely beneficial to me.

[gorillafuck]

yeah FreeFocus is right that these fights are never started by sXe people they're always started by self righteous drug users.

[Magón]

At least they are secure in themselves about their behavior and don't feel the need to attack other people are every opportunity.


yeah FreeFocus is right that these fights are never started by sXe people they're always started by self righteous drug users.

I've met plenty of sXe people in my area, who've come after me for doing drugs and drinking, when I didn't even say anything about it, or may have just commented but wasn't looking to argue or anything. So I'd say both sides going after each other because they feel like it, is pretty even.

[FreeFocus]

I've met plenty of sXe people in my area, who've come after me for doing drugs and drinking, when I didn't even say anything about it, or may have just commented but wasn't looking to argue or anything. So I'd say both sides going after each other because they feel like it, is pretty even.

fuck's sake. We were talking about on the forum (I made this context pretty much explicit in my previous posts).

Everyone is going to have a different personal experience about it in real life. People have told me that "I won't last" or that I'm acting like "a little kid" and stuff like that. Whatever. I'm not going to debate with people about shit like this. If they want to change, they will. If an example isn't enough, arguing won't be either.

[gorillafuck]

I've met plenty of sXe people in my area, who've come after me for doing drugs and drinking, when I didn't even say anything about it, or may have just commented but wasn't looking to argue or anything. So I'd say both sides going after each other because they feel like it, is pretty even.I mean on revleft.

[Spawn of Stalin]

I wrote a haiku about this thread I hope nobody minds if I post it here

Why do they hate me?
The drinkers with their liquors
What have I done wrong?

[agnixie]

I wrote a haiku about this thread I hope nobody minds if I post it here

Why do they hate me?
The drinkers with their liquors
What have I done wrong?

Cute, but what about the weather ;)

[REVLEFT'S BIEGGST MATSER TROL]

I'd say there's more of a correlation between being boring and taking too many drugs. When I was in secondary school one of my friends became a massive stoner and all his conversations ended up being about different types of weed, which became a bit tiresome. Everything in moderation, etc. I think that doing drugs socially can enhance your experience. Most people use drugs to enhance their experiences, not to replace them. Drugs can also have useful therapeutic benefits, for example being drunk or taking pills allows me to talk to people about my mental health instead of bottling it up. Yeah, would be better if I could talk about it without using drugs, but it is definitely beneficial to me.

Yeah I agree with dis.

[Kamos]

You're lying, or you've misspelled empty as "happy" somehow.

You're trolling, or you're trolling.


Are you a capitalist?
Or a middle man of sorts? Supervisor? A celebrity?
I wanna know, really.

I'm a 18 year old student.



Note* i dont care if you are sXe or not. i usually respect when they dont want me to smoke near them. But, it gets annoying to be harassed by sXe people for smoking.


To all the people who don't like drugs.

Fine, don't take drugs, but shut the fuck up. Let others do whatever they want to their own body, it's not your business. Fucking reactionaries.

Based on this thread (and to an extent, real life) it seems that it's usually the junkies harassing the abstainers for not smoking/drinking/doing drugs.


The ascetic mentality isn't given much time by leftists? Well fuck me ragged, I for one couldn't possibly think why that is.

The issue here is that people apparently accept transgendered people, homosexuals, blacks, everyone who tends to be an outcast in "normal" (read: capitalist) society, but someone who doesn't do drugs or drink is immediately worthless. Very heavy double standards here.


Revleft, if you don't do drugs, you're a reactionary.

Sums it up, apparently.

[The Douche]

nn4QsRmm6Y0

Street by street. Block by block. Taking it all back.
The youth's immersed in poison--turn the tide
counterattack. Violence against violence, let the roundups begin.
A firestorm to purify the bane that society drowns in. No
mercy, no exceptions, a declaration of total war.
The innocents' defense is the reason it's waged for.
Born addicted, beaten
and neglected. Families torn apart, detroyed and abandoned.
Children sell their bodies, from their high they fall to drown.
Demons crazed by greed cut bystanders down.
A chemically tainted welfare generation.
Abslolute complete moral degeneration.
Born addicted, beaten and neglected.
Families torn apart, detroyed and abandoned.
Children sell their bodies, from their high
they fall to drown. Demons crazed by greed cut bystanders down.
Corrupt politicans, corrupt enforcement, drug lords and
dealers; all must fall. The helpless are crying out.
We have risen to their call. A firestorm to purify.


http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/xpacox/300.jpg




Come at me bro.

[Jazzratt]

nn4QsRmm6Y0

Street by street. Block by block. Taking it all back.
The youth's immersed in poison--turn the tide
counterattack. Violence against violence, let the roundups begin.
A firestorm to purify the bane that society drowns in. No
mercy, no exceptions, a declaration of total war.
The innocents' defense is the reason it's waged for.
Born addicted, beaten
and neglected. Families torn apart, detroyed and abandoned.
Children sell their bodies, from their high they fall to drown.
Demons crazed by greed cut bystanders down.
A chemically tainted welfare generation.
Abslolute complete moral degeneration.
Born addicted, beaten and neglected.
Families torn apart, detroyed and abandoned.
Children sell their bodies, from their high
they fall to drown. Demons crazed by greed cut bystanders down.
Corrupt politicans, corrupt enforcement, drug lords and
dealers; all must fall. The helpless are crying out.
We have risen to their call. A firestorm to purify.


http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/xpacox/300.jpg




Come at me bro. Well, that's a handy explanation of the overwhelming popularity enjoyed by edgers.

[Comrade J]

Had to check the URL for a second, thought I'd stumbled into some Republican forum. "Moms say no to drugs" or some shit.

I'd be gutted if someone killed my dealer, he's been growing some good shit recently.

There is a certain irony in that those who are most vehemently against drugs and drug users are the ones who would most benefit from having a joint or dropping some shrooms or something. I have genuine pity for people who've never tried magic mushrooms - they're not in any way toxic or dangerous, but it's a magnificent experience.

[The Douche]

I'm not edge, I use alcohol, smoke cigarettes, use halucigens, and I'd probably smoke a little weed from time to time if I wasn't getting drug tested. However, I have edge friends, and it's really annoying to see drug culture nerds rant about the edge when they clearly know nothing about it and don't understand it, and who loose their sense of humor because somebody makes a personal choice for themselves. Doing drugs doesn't make you cool or special, get over yourself and stop crying about people who choose not to partake. It is that atmosphere of "you don't drink? What's wrong with you?" that breeds the over the top and militant attitude demonstrated by the song and merch in my earlier post.

[Comrade J]

I'm not edge, I use alcohol, smoke cigarettes, use halucigens, and I'd probably smoke a little weed from time to time if I wasn't getting drug tested. However, I have edge friends, and it's really annoying to see drug culture nerds rant about the edge when they clearly know nothing about it and don't understand it, and who loose their sense of humor because somebody makes a personal choice for themselves. Doing drugs doesn't make you cool or special, get over yourself and stop crying about people who choose not to partake. It is that atmosphere of "you don't drink? What's wrong with you?" that breeds the over the top and militant attitude demonstrated by the song and merch in my earlier post.

If this is directed at me, then I have nothing against 'sXe' people (though what a stupid fucking acronym), and at no point have I made a reference to it or people who ascribe to that lifestyle. If people wanna live that way then whatever, it's not my business.

I just don't like people making assertions about people who use drugs, calling them 'junkies' and so on. I smoked weed through three years of uni and still got a first class degree, so it doesn't affect you in the way some people seem to believe. And even if it did, it's my own body and if you (anyone, not you specifically cmoney) in any way have a problem with what someone does to their own body, then you're a reactionary piece of shit and the world would be a better place if you just noosed yourself up and checked out early. That includes the pricks who made that song and those pathetic tshirts.

[The Douche]

It was more directed at jazzrat who clearly doesn't understand straight edge. But your suggestion that straight edge individuals would benefit from drugs, and that you "pity" them, is just as arrogant as this insignificant, nearly mythical, minority of edgers who are militant.

[FreeFocus]

If this is directed at me, then I have nothing against 'sXe' people (though what a stupid fucking acronym), and at no point have I made a reference to it or people who ascribe to that lifestyle. If people wanna live that way then whatever, it's not my business.

I just don't like people making assertions about people who use drugs, calling them 'junkies' and so on. I smoked weed through three years of uni and still got a first class degree, so it doesn't affect you in the way some people seem to believe. And even if it did, it's my own body and if you (anyone, not you specifically cmoney) in any way have a problem with what someone does to their own body, then you're a reactionary piece of shit and the world would be a better place if you just noosed yourself up and checked out early. That includes the pricks who made that song and those pathetic tshirts.

lol. You at "no point" made a reference to edgers or the lifestyle? You called us "fucking reactionaries" and told us to "shut the fuck up" on page 5 (which I called you on later, which you never responded to).

If people disagree with the way others live their lives, they have a right to have an opinion about that. That doesn't make someone reactionary. Everyone thinks some group of people that does a particular thing is "weird" or something and for one reason or another, they dislike their behavior. I seriously think you're insecure about something if you're getting this emotional about Earth Crisis and the t-shirt (which has a good message, in my opinion: have you ever seen a community devastated by meth, crack, or alcoholism? That's ghetto life in America and slums around the world, which I'm inclined to believe you know nothing about). The Black Panthers, before the FBI undermined them with crack in the ghettos, tried to push out drug dealers because drugs were hurting the community. The IRA is targeting drug dealers for the same reason.

The fact of the matter is that there are more people who say, "you don't drink/do drugs? What's wrong with you?" than there are "militant edgers." The former group is larger than the latter by magnitudes.

[Comrade J]

lol. You at "no point" made a reference to edgers or the lifestyle? You called us "fucking reactionaries" and told us to "shut the fuck up" on page 5 (which I called you on later, which you never responded to).

It was directed in general at all the asinine morons talking about drugs like they're the worst thing to exist; all this preachy shit about drugs. That was fairly self-evident. If I failed to respond, its because you mistook me for someone who cares about your opinion.


If people disagree with the way others live their lives, they have a right to have an opinion about that. That doesn't make someone reactionary. It does when it is consistent with the typical right-wing anti-drugs line. Also, if someone is doing something that doesn't damage others, then keep the hell out of it, it has *nothing* to do with you. Everyone's life is a brief flash in the grand scheme of things, and they should be able to do as they please if it doesn't harm others. And you say you're an anarchist?! HAHAHAHAHAHA. :lol: Right, and I'm Mother Fuckin Teresa. I'm surprised you're not a vice cop or something lol, you'd probably love the highhorse power trip you'd get out of that.


I seriously think you're insecure about something if you're getting this emotional about Earth Crisis and the t-shirt (which has a good message, in my opinion: have you ever seen a community devastated by meth, crack, or alcoholism? That's ghetto life in America and slums around the world, which I'm inclined to believe you know nothing about).Go fuck yourself, you presumptive piece of shit. :) You know nothing about where I come from, the things I have seen. I have family members who have had drug issues, people in my neighbourhood growing up etc. Doesn't mean I'm hysterical about other people using drugs; it's their choice, their body.


The fact of the matter is that there are more people who say, "you don't drink/do drugs? What's wrong with you?" Maybe that should tell you something? ;) Joke, btw, do what you want, I really don't give a shit, just keep your critical mouth firmly shut when it comes to the life choices of others.

[Spawn of Stalin]

It was directed in general at all the asinine morons talking about drugs like they're the worst thing to exist
Can I ask specifically who are you referring to? Someone outside of this forum? I haven't seen anything preachy in this thread, could've missed something though I guess

[FreeFocus]

It was directed in general at all the asinine morons talking about drugs like they're the worst thing to exist; all this preachy shit about drugs. That was fairly self-evident. If I failed to respond, its because you mistook me for someone who cares about your opinion.

It does when it is consistent with the typical right-wing anti-drugs line. Also, if someone is doing something that doesn't damage others, then keep the hell out of it, it has *nothing* to do with you. Everyone's life is a brief flash in the grand scheme of things, and they should be able to do as they please if it doesn't harm others. And you say you're an anarchist?! HAHAHAHAHAHA. :lol: Right, and I'm Mother Fuckin Teresa. I'm surprised you're not a vice cop or something lol, you'd probably love the highhorse power trip you'd get out of that.

Go fuck yourself, you presumptive piece of shit. :) You know nothing about where I come from, the things I have seen. I have family members who have had drug issues, people in my neighbourhood growing up etc. Doesn't mean I'm hysterical about other people using drugs; it's their choice, their body.

Maybe that should tell you something? ;) Joke, btw, do what you want, I really don't give a shit, just keep your critical mouth firmly shut when it comes to the life choices of others.

lol. You're a real clown. People don't have to keep their "critical mouth firmly shut" about other people's choices. That's not the way the world works, that's not the way people work - not now, not ever.

Even if we're talking about "militant edgers," is their message hurting anyone? Edgers don't have a state apparatus that is used to rule the masses of the drug-consuming class :rolleyes:

[Lord Testicles]

You're trolling, or you're trolling.


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[REVLEFT'S BIEGGST MATSER TROL]

To be honest I think "edgers" would get a better rep if they werne't calling themselves something as stupidly self aggendisning and edgy as "STRAIGHT EDGE" and having a ridiculas genre of music identified with that cliq.

Can't you just call yourself "people who slightly boringly but probably wisely concerned with their long term future?" rather than DA HARDCORE EDGE YOOOOOOO

[Ocean Seal]

At least we can all agree on this: One thing that's worse than "drug culture" people and sxe people combined: Those people who are addicted to caffeine and are somehow so fucking proud about it. amirite? "OH MAN I NEED MY COFFEE DON'T EVEN TALK TO ME I'LL KILL YOU FOR SOME FRENCH VANILLA ROAST haha jk, man. But really I'm getting the shakes."
There's way too many people like that.
Yes, true that. And its apparently cool to like coffee instead of the vastly superior beverage tea which was cool until some dbs in revolutionary war costumes starting calling themselves a Tea Party. Deep down I want to believe that they all love coffee and not tea.

[The Douche]

I don't have a single edge friend who is boring. Nor are they preachy (except for the vegan, and he's only preachy about animal lib).

The assholeishness and aggressiveness of edge kids is vastly overstated and largely created by people who don't like the idea of people who are proud to not partake in mind altering substances.

Somebody post the articles about Spanish anarchists who installed providing policies during the civil war...

[Rusty Shackleford]

now, i was at the capitol yesterday. there was some bike race thing going on. i was smoking on my walk back from my car to a UFW rally and some guy on a bike rides by me and yells "smoking is bad for you" and he and his friend laugh.

isnt that a dick move?

i dont go up to him and say his outfit is stupid or i dont care for bike races or even just calling him a posh asshole. im not saying the guy is edge, im saying hes a dick.

if there is someone who is sXe i dont go up to them and say "hey, youre stupid because you dont smoke weed or drink!"

but cmoney is correct in saying that the assholishness of sXe kids is overstated because i have some edge friends who know i smoke and i havent gotten shit for it. but i have gotten shit for it from random ass people on many occasions.

[FreeFocus]

now, i was at the capitol yesterday. there was some bike race thing going on. i was smoking on my walk back from my car to a UFW rally and some guy on a bike rides by me and yells "smoking is bad for you" and he and his friend laugh.

isnt that a dick move?

i dont go up to him and say his outfit is stupid or i dont care for bike races or even just calling him a posh asshole. im not saying the guy is edge, im saying hes a dick.

if there is someone who is sXe i dont go up to them and say "hey, youre stupid because you dont smoke weed or drink!"

but cmoney is correct in saying that the assholishness of sXe kids is overstated because i have some edge friends who know i smoke and i havent gotten shit for it. but i have gotten shit for it from random ass people on many occasions.

I wouldn't tell the person that smoking was bad for them (everyone knows this now), but it does piss me off when I have to speed up my walking because someone is smoking in front of me, or a person is smoking where they shouldn't be (whether because it's illegal or discourteous).

[Spawn of Stalin]

Can't you just call yourself "people who slightly boringly but probably wisely concerned with their long term future?" rather than DA HARDCORE EDGE YOOOOOOO

Honestly people who think that those who don't participate in drug use are boring are the most boring type of person going.

I actually started reading your post thinking that you were going to give a constructive criticism but then you went off on some bullshit about how people are boring. But credit where it's due, yes, being straight edge is healthy.

And people wonder why there are a minority of straight edgers who take their beliefs to the extreme? A lot of it has to do with attitudes like this one.

[Comrade J]

I wouldn't tell the person that smoking was bad for them (everyone knows this now), but it does piss me off when I have to speed up my walking because someone is smoking in front of me, or a person is smoking where they shouldn't be (whether because it's illegal or discourteous).

OMGZ people breakin teh laws?! :laugh:

:lol:Anarchist. Right.

[Spawn of Stalin]

I think it's perfectly reasonable for anyone to expect people not to smoke in certain places, enclosed bus shelters and small public toilets for example.

[Comrade J]

I think it's perfectly reasonable for anyone to expect people not to smoke in certain places, enclosed bus shelters and small public toilets for example.

Well that would be because it is 'discourteous' then, which is understandable and I agree with FreeFocus on that. I never smoke in enclosed spaces with non-smokers, like bus shelters etc.

It's just more the objection to breaking the law that is amusing for an apparent 'anarchist'.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Some laws just make sense, anarchist or not. Don't you think? Labour laws?

Don't answer that, I am simply making a point.:laugh:

[FreeFocus]

OMGZ people breakin teh laws?! :laugh:

:lol:Anarchist. Right.


Well that would be because it is 'discourteous' then, which is understandable and I agree with FreeFocus on that. I never smoke in enclosed spaces with non-smokers, like bus shelters etc.

It's just more the objection to breaking the law that is amusing for an apparent 'anarchist'.

Yeah, you're just being a jackass. As if a stateless society won't have some type of community regulations. Not all laws are bad, and the fact that this has to be stated is pretty sad. Anarchism isn't hooliganism or chaos. You're trying to fish for any little thing, no matter how ridiculous, because you disagree with the straight edge philosophy. Fair enough. I'm not going to continue to play this game.

[gorillafuck]

when anarchism comes I'm gonna walk around naked with a 40 oz and an automatic weapon at all times.

some authoritarians may disagree with this but it's not my fault if they hate freedom.

[Magón]

when anarchism comes I'm gonna walk around naked with a 40 oz and an automatic weapon at all times.

some authoritarians may disagree with this but it's not my fault if they hate freedom.

That was good, gave me some laughs. :laugh:

[GallowsBird]

To all the people who don't like drugs.

Fine, don't take drugs, but shut the fuck up. Let others do whatever they want to their own body, it's not your business. Fucking reactionaries.

To all the people who do drugs.

Fine, take drugs, but shut the fuck up. Let others do whatever they want to their own body, it's not your business. Fucking reactionaries.

[Rusty Shackleford]

To all the people who do drugs.

Fine, take drugs, but shut the fuck up. Let others do whatever they want to their own body, it's not your business. Fucking reactionaries.



To all the people who breathe air.

Fine, breathe air, but shut the fuck up. Let others do whatever they want to their own body, it's not your business. Fucking reactionaries.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

some douche was walking in front of me (well there were actually quite a few people walking down the same path) smoking a joint and it fucking stank, it just pissed everyone off. I guess that might be the same for non-smokers when I walk in front of them smoking a cigarette or whatever.

I'd say the best way to be would be to put whatever you want into your body, or otherwise, but just respect other people's space and feelings. Its not difficult.

[Comrade J]

Yeah, you're just being a jackass. As if a stateless society won't have some type of community regulations. Not all laws are bad, and the fact that this has to be stated is pretty sad. Anarchism isn't hooliganism or chaos. You're trying to fish for any little thing, no matter how ridiculous, because you disagree with the straight edge philosophy. Fair enough. I'm not going to continue to play this game.

True, perhaps I should have made myself clearer. I almost don't want to say this because it may give you some sort of internal moral victory, but I may have been a little drunk last night... ;) Not something I usually do (not my drug of choice) so I'm a bit out of it after just a few beers.

Anyway, my point was (supposed to be) that you made a distinction between "illegal" and "discourteous" which suggests you're against "illegal" smoking even when it is not discourteous. Surely as an anarchist, you should realise that many laws (such as those regarding drugs, smoking, drinking) etc. are petty control mechanisms, and I have never met an anarchist or any sort of leftist who would support such bullshit laws.

But yes, this is pretty boring now, and I don't think we're ever going to agree. However, I will add that I'm sorry if I was a dick, yesterday was just a tough day for me and adding drink to the equation didn't help.

[praxis1966]

Word. This discussion stopped being interesting like three pages ago. I thought I could rationalize with folks by maintaining a middle ground but as it turns out, it's like trying to put out a structure fire with a dixie cup.

[REVLEFT'S BIEGGST MATSER TROL]

Honestly people who think that those who don't participate in drug use are boring are the most boring type of person going.

I actually started reading your post thinking that you were going to give a constructive criticism but then you went off on some bullshit about how people are boring. But credit where it's due, yes, being straight edge is healthy.

And people wonder why there are a minority of straight edgers who take their beliefs to the extreme? A lot of it has to do with attitudes like this one.

Lol...you do realise that the phrase "people who are boringly but probably wisely concerned with their long term health." was tongue in cheek, right?

Oh wait, you're the same guy who told everyone you'd want to punch someone who joked about buying you a drink. I am surprised someone with your kinda social skills didn't spot the humor.

[The Douche]

Lol...you do realise that the phrase "people who are boringly but probably wisely concerned with their long term health." was tongue in cheek, right?

Oh wait, you're the same guy who told everyone you'd want to punch someone who joked about buying you a drink. I am surprised someone with your kinda social skills didn't spot the humor.

Do you smoke cigarettes?

[REVLEFT'S BIEGGST MATSER TROL]

Do you smoke cigarettes?

No? :confused:

[The Douche]

No? :confused:

Ok, so imagaine if, everytime you went out with people they asked you if you wanted a smoke. Of course, at first this would just be polite, after a while though, it would be known that you don't smoke. Now imagine that, even though they know you don't smoke, they ask you, everytime they light up "hey man, you want a cigarette, just one, come on, just one drag, it won't kill you, its really not a big deal, just one?". Surely, you can see how condescending, rude, and infuriating it would be to be treated like that.

SOS isn't talking about bursting into a rage at a polite new acquantaince or stranger who offers to buy him a beer, but at people who know, full well that he doesn't drink, and are making what should be a pleasant experince (hanging out in a social situation) into an opportunity to pester and insult him.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Lol...you do realise that the phrase "people who are boringly but probably wisely concerned with their long term health." was tongue in cheek, right?

Oh wait, you're the same guy who told everyone you'd want to punch someone who joked about buying you a drink. I am surprised someone with your kinda social skills didn't spot the humor.
I'm sorry, you're right, I didn't spot the humour. But it wouldn't have been the first time someone on this forum has accused straight edgers of being boring.

I'm ok with admitting I am wrong, when I am wrong.

Forgive?:crying:

[Spawn of Stalin]

Yeah I think cmoney summed up my thoughts better than I was capable of doing. People I only met recently offer to buy me drinks, offer me cigarettes when we're in social situations, I'm cool with it. But when somebody I've known since nursery school comes up to me with a big smirk on their face and says something like "fancy a pint?" that pisses me off to no end so I stand by everything I said before, mocking somebody because of something like the fact that they don't drink is never acceptable. If I was more sensitive I would probably use the term "bullying" to describe it, and bullies are scum. I don't really have any close friends who would do that but I do live in a medium sized town so when I go out at the weekends I see a lot of people I know.

[Kuppo Shakur]

All y'all straightedgers need to calm down and have a beer, on me.
*Prepares self for the punches*

[The Douche]

All two of them?

[REVLEFT'S BIEGGST MATSER TROL]

Ok, so imagaine if, everytime you went out with people they asked you if you wanted a smoke. Of course, at first this would just be polite, after a while though, it would be known that you don't smoke. Now imagine that, even though they know you don't smoke, they ask you, everytime they light up "hey man, you want a cigarette, just one, come on, just one drag, it won't kill you, its really not a big deal, just one?". Surely, you can see how condescending, rude, and infuriating it would be to be treated like that.

SOS isn't talking about bursting into a rage at a polite new acquantaince or stranger who offers to buy him a beer, but at people who know, full well that he doesn't drink, and are making what should be a pleasant experince (hanging out in a social situation) into an opportunity to pester and insult him.

Yeah I get that would be very tiresome. But do you not think punching someone would be inappropriate , even it wear insulting. As well as the overall weirdness of wanting to punch people who as far as it sounds were making bad jokes, stating such on an internet forum in such a manner and all that. Never mind I guess, its all sorted out now.

[RedSunRising]

Im not straight edge but I have tremendous admiration for people who are.

Its something that all Communist militants should aspire to, or even be when the situation gets critical.

[Blackscare]

Palingenisis, is that you? :ohmy:

No just another stalinoid who loves his petty internet moral posturing.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Yeah I get that would be very tiresome. But do you not think punching someone would be inappropriate , even it wear insulting. As well as the overall weirdness of wanting to punch people who as far as it sounds were making bad jokes, stating such on an internet forum in such a manner and all that. Never mind I guess, its all sorted out now.
I am not very good at forming sentences on a keyboard, I guess most people around here already know that. I guess I came across as some violent little kid, which I'm not, I just like standing up for myself. If I constantly berate somebody for their beliefs, I've got to be prepared to deal with the consequences, so should everybody else.

[bricolage]

Great bunch of shit it is...
I don't think those wikipedia links are really correct. The Minor Threat/Teen Idles type straight edge came about because people were getting drunk and fucking up shows and I think it's a bit unfair to say they were individualistic, at least Fugazi and so forth kept tickets/CDs cheap and that.

[RedSunRising]

I am not very good at forming sentences on a keyboard, I guess most people around here already know that. I guess I came across as some violent little kid, which I'm not, I just like standing up for myself. If I constantly berate somebody for their beliefs, I've got to be prepared to deal with the consequences, so should everybody else.

You dont come across as a violent little kid at all. You come across as very calm to me. Sometimes though you seem to take logical conclusions to an illogical place.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Yeah well, I am a Stalinist.

[RedSunRising]

Yeah well, I am a Stalinist.

Stalinist is a meaningless word.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Stalinist is a meaningless word.
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