Reactionary Chatter XXV - Excitement, joy and extra milky chocolate.

[Jazzratt]

Before you is a blank canvas upon which you can create the most beautiful images with words as your paint. Or you can do the metaphorical equivelent of laying an enormous turd on the fucker like you have the past 24 times.

Have fun.

[ComradeMan]

Primo!

[PhoenixAsh]

Thank god I am neither a number one nor a number two.... :tt2::D


What are we going to make this thread about? We have so far covered deadhorses, spiders and dwarves.

Milky chocolate is an option...but...you know...

I KNOW....this thread is now about cows....

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTrBil93k9LZYVZsiF7fQoOhbPxGa47l rw5OFSg4z2qnhOj1zkm&t=1

[RedSunRising]

What does the hebrew underneath your screen name mean Comrade Man?

[PhoenixAsh]

repairing the world

[ComradeMan]

What does the hebrew underneath your screen name mean Comrade Man?

Tiqqun 'olam

"Perfect/Repair the world" from mip'nei tiqqun ha-olam

תיקון עולם

[RedSunRising]

Tiqqun 'olam

"Perfect/Repair the world" from mip'nei tiqqun ha-olam

תיקון עולם

Thats Kabbalahistic isnt it?

From Rabbi Isaac Lurie?

[ComradeMan]

Thats Kabbalahistic isnt it?

From Rabbi Isaac Lurie?

It certainly has been used in Kabbalah and is central to the Zohar but is not in itself an exclusively Kabbalistic concept. It is found in Mishnah and also the Aleinu- l'takken olam b'malkhut Shaddai.

I'll pass the word to our resident Rabbi now..... :lol:

[Lt. Ferret]

this thread reminded me i forgot to buy a candy bar. :(

[The Man]

Rgacky and Bud Struggle:

http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/enjoyinglifep1.gif

[PhoenixAsh]

which one is which?

[#FF0000]

which one is which?

Gacky's obviously the one in the speedo.

I mean come on. Bud's catholic.

[RedSunRising]

Gacky's obviously the one in the speedo.

I mean come on. Bud's catholic.

I dunno, I was raised Protestant surrounded by RCs and they can be pretty exhibitionistic.

Is it socially acceptable where you live for boys to go shirtless on the street in summer?

[Le Libérer]

Rgacky and Bud Struggle:

http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/enjoyinglifep1.gif

Bud? Who? I thought he left the forum in a blaze of glory.

[PhoenixAsh]

is he really gone?

[RedSunRising]

is he really gone?

He will be back,he has to work out his middle class guilt somehow doesnt he?

[Skooma Addict]

Ok seriously, who is coming up with the titles of these threads?

[RedSunRising]

Ok seriously, who is coming up with the titles of these threads?

Jazzrat.

[Skooma Addict]

Jazzrat.

Figures. Uncreative communist dweeb.

[RedSunRising]

Figures. Uncreative communist dweeb.

He is an anarchist.

Communists generally are pretty scarey people, you wouldnt call them dweebs to their face. :)

[Revolution starts with U]

Figures. Uncreative communist dweeb
Jealous?
Cool story bro

[Skooma Addict]

Jealous?
Cool story bro

That was a failed attempt to use a meme.

[Revolution starts with U]

The jealousy is strong in this one.

What's this blaze of glory Bud went out in? I must have missed it.

[Agent Ducky]

GAHAHH milky chocolate. I so jealous.

[PhoenixAsh]

http://media10-1.pds.wikispaces.net/file/view/sidebar_cow_eatmore.jpg/165474817/sidebar_cow_eatmore.jpg

[Agent Ducky]

How bout I don't eat Chikin or cows?

[PhoenixAsh]

???


http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/53755/53755,1192068685,1/stock-photo-turkey-dressed-as-a-pilgrim-with-pilgrim-hat-and-sign-saying-eat-more-pork-isolated-on-a-white-6005260.jpg

[PhoenixAsh]

or:


http://www.thefamuanonline.com/polopoly_fs/1.2172891%21/image/3198941506.png_gen/derivatives/landscape_240/3198941506.png

[Agent Ducky]

Lol that turkey.

I mean that I don't wanna eat more chicken, what did the chickens and pigs ever do to deserve that? Lol.

[PhoenixAsh]

http://www.stopthehogs.com/images/eat_more_fish.jpg

[PhoenixAsh]

Lol that turkey.

I mean that I don't wanna eat more chicken, what did the chickens and pigs ever do to deserve that? Lol.

Animal farm explains it all :-)

[Le Libérer]

What's this blaze of glory Bud went out in? I must have missed it.Not really a blaze, more like he just saying he was leaving. And maybe one day he would return.

I'm surprised he stayed away this long.

[PhoenixAsh]

ah...more of a sizzle of defeat then? :)

I hope he makes more of his re-entrance :-)

[RedSunRising]

Who was mean to him? Bud that is?

[Revolution starts with U]

Maybe he got sick of us/me calling him a troll. I think he's a good guy, in person (or at least I probably would were I to meet him). But his politics, and justifications for those politics are just silly.

[danyboy27]

Who was mean to him? Bud that is?


Nobody is mean to bud, he just having a hard time debating with folks and feel attacked when someone challenge him on certain issues regarding capitalism.

Its verry personnal to him you know, a lot of his life depend of the way this system work.

Personally i wish he could come back so we could debate more, but its up to him :D

[Le Libérer]

Who was mean to him? Bud that is?

Define mean.

[Nolan]

You killed bud! You bastards!

[RGacky3]

I've got no problem with Bud, he seams like a nice guy, as long as he stays out of the actual discussions, because those he just trolls.

Not missing anything of substance.

[∞]

I fap every day...I might have ED.

[Nolan]

Someone drew a giant penis on the side of a building I see every day.

[∞]

Draw eyes on the testicles and a smile underneath.

[El Chuncho]

Am I late for the party?

http://stuff.pyzam.com/funnypics/8/pyzampartyhard.jpg

[PhoenixAsh]

No...there is no late in RC only addition to the joy :)

[hatzel]

Am I late for the party?

I believe the correct term is 'fashionably late', actually...

[ComradeMan]

I believe the correct term is 'fashionably late', actually...

And I was thinking that Rabbi K was about to give us an insight on tikkun olam.... :crying:


:lol:

[hatzel]

And I was thinking that Rabbi K was about to give us an insight on tikkun olam.... :crying:Oh...sorry, I missed the first few pages :bored: Ah...well, there's a magazine (http://www.tikkun.org/) :lol: I find this article (http://www.tikkun.org/nextgen/tikkuns-spiritual-response-to-the-assassination-of-osama-bin-laden) pretty timely, but I couldn't be bothered to start a thread to post it...

[Kotze]

is he really gone?Bud Struggle hasn't posted in a while.

Could this photo from last week contain a clue regarding the mystery?

http://i56.tinypic.com/2poth1s.jpg

[hatzel]

Something tells me the above picture has been photoshopped...

By the way, I just bought a new tennis racquet. It's sweeeeet. Time to kick some serious butt!

[ComradeMan]

Oh...sorry, I missed the first few pages :bored: Ah...well, there's a magazine (http://www.tikkun.org/) :lol: I find this article (http://www.tikkun.org/nextgen/tikkuns-spiritual-response-to-the-assassination-of-osama-bin-laden) pretty timely, but I couldn't be bothered to start a thread to post it...

Oy vey- uber schfail!
:lol:
;)

[The Man]

I got my first infraction.. :(

[Omsk]

What was the problem?

Oh and,The Man,might i ask you,what is your primary tendency now? (ML?Maoist?Hoxaist)

[ComradeMan]

I got my first infraction.. :(

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[The Man]

What was the problem?

Oh and,The Man,might i ask you,what is your primary tendency now? (ML?Maoist?Hoxaist)

Marxist-Leninist-Maoist, but It's too long too put it on the screen.

[danyboy27]

I got my first infraction.. :(


Stop whining!

[The Man]

Stop whining!
EL8e2ujXe8g

[Pretty Flaco]

I got my first infraction.. :(

Me too. Apparently OI isn't chit-chat for restricted people (as I assumed)

[Revolution starts with U]

I got my first and only infraction for posting in the "appeal your restriction" thread. I kinda knew I would, but I had to respond. Should have just copy/pasted it into another thread.

[hatzel]

Je suis assez drunk. And now you're warned! :lol: Too much cider makes Rabbi K and kinda incoherent boy...

[Viet Minh]

http://i53.tinypic.com/skzuch.jpg

R.I.P Freddie (cousins dog) miss ya son :crying:

[Viet Minh]

Any bets on the AV vote today?

[The Man]

I wish I could dance like that green guy.
http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/dancewithmep1.gif

[hatzel]

Any bets on the AV vote today?

I think that 37% of people will have misunderstood the ballot and ranked their answers in order of preference...

But also I didn't vote :)

[Nolan]

I got my first infraction.. :(

Get any more and CoTR will feed you to the Blob:

rQ2QHhSKuaA

[The Man]

Get any more and CoTR will feed you to the Blob:

rQ2QHhSKuaA

Damn.. I promise I won't do anything bad ever again..

I really don't feel like melting..

[Le Libérer]

Biggest chuckle of the day. CHEtheLibertor called me an infant when I closed a thread on Bin Laden conspiracy theory Bin Laden isnt dead. hahahahaaahhhhh
Anyway
Breakfast!
http://meatamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/20100105_Eggs-1024x682.jpg

[Le Libérer]

I was going to make red beans and rice for dinner, and when I got home could not find the beans or rice. Seeing I saw both this morning on my way out, it seems to be quite the mystery.

[Ele'ill]

http://meatamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/20100105_Eggs-1024x682.jpg



Pretty much.. :(


Wait a second.. the website hosting the photo is 'meatamerica.com' :rolleyes: What a horrific website.

[Le Libérer]

I just copied and pasted the link from stumbleupon. Like this one.
http://www.maguireonline.com/images/woody-guthrie.jpg

Woody Guthrie

[Ele'ill]

I was supposed to relax this evening and read but instead I'm dealing with rent issues, move out dates, cleaning the house and the stupid yard, etc etc etc fucking etc. What a nightmare this has become. I'm in a pretty bad mood but it's nice outside right now.

[Viet Minh]

Last week we had our annual sunny day here in the land of the Scots and I had to catch a bloody cold! :crying: sniff

[Le Libérer]

I was supposed to relax this evening and read but instead I'm dealing with rent issues, move out dates, cleaning the house and the stupid yard, etc etc etc fucking etc. What a nightmare this has become. I'm in a pretty bad mood but it's nice outside right now.
I'm moving too. Its been alot more expensive than I expected.

[Agent Ducky]

That is some badass breakfast =D

[Le Libérer]

Subcommando Marcos removes his mask (revisited)
qRnoJt7PTDE

Mujer Libre!

[RGacky3]

aww, thats kind of sweet.

[#FF0000]

Giving up fucking sucks.

[Jazzratt]

Wait a second.. the website hosting the photo is 'meatamerica.com' :rolleyes: What a horrific website. How can you call this horrific:
http://meatamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/20091202___LOVE-828x1024.jpg
Unless you hate love. Heartless motherfucker.

[Le Libérer]

How can you call this horrific:

Unless you hate love. Heartless motherfucker.
The newspaper turned to the word "death" is a nice touch.

[Le Libérer]

Dessert!
http://www.gearfuse.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/brain-cupcakes1.jpg

[Le Libérer]

I swept the floor with this guy and the queens sacrifice was beautiful
http://www.chess.com/echess/analysis.html?id=20630158

You can follow the game by hitting the next button to the right

[Che a chara]

I swept the floor with this guy and the queens sacrifice was beautiful
http://www.chess.com/echess/analysis.html?id=20630158

You can follow the game by hitting the next button to the right

BSUsfDsCd0A

Checkmate :)

[Le Libérer]

BSUsfDsCd0A

Checkmate :)

This was my house with 3 adolescent sons when I would leave the room during chess lessons. :D Happy times.
I sat all of my children in front of a chess board at 5 and 6 years old. My youngest is a prodigy and was kicking my ass at 7 years old. He gained his Master level at 13. The other 2 are expert level with 1600 plus ratings.
I am one of the very of female chess masters in the world. I have a 2000 rating. I think women make up 10% of women Masters and 3% Grand Masters. So I'm in a very exclusive group.

[StockholmSyndrome]

I think chess is a really cool game, I just wish I understood it better strategywise and tacticswise because I lose every time I play and it is frustrating. Like there's something I'm just not getting...maybe I'm just dumb.

[Le Libérer]

I think chess is a really cool game, I just wish I understood it better strategywise and tacticswise because I lose every time I play and it is frustrating. Like there's something I'm just not getting...maybe I'm just dumb.

The game is very telling of ones personality. In fact during counseling sessions with my patients, if they play chess, I play them a few times to see how they handle the game. Some people wait to attack, or attack forcefully in the beginning, some wait patiently, some are very guarded and wont make a real attack. I think fusger9 and Devrim can tell you what my personality type is by my game, as I can them. :)

You arent dumb. Anyone can learn to play. Look at me, by appearances I might look dumb to others. I am dyslexic, and was delayed speech as a child but I'm hardly "dumb". You just need the motivation and someone who is patient who will teach you as you go. Then you will get the bug.

[The Man]

I woke up this morning, and blood was coming out of my mouth. Oh, and I can put my uvula on the tip of my tongue.

[Cody_2ZZ]

I woke up this morning, and blood was coming out of my mouth. Oh, and I can put my uvula on the tip of my tongue.

I don't know whether to be worried or concerned.

[RGacky3]

I woke up this morning, and blood was coming out of my mouth.

My friend has cancer, its serious, another friend however has HILLAREOUS cancer.

... Sorry innapropriate joke, go to a doctor.

[StockholmSyndrome]

The game is very telling of ones personality. In fact during counseling sessions with my patients, if they play chess, I play them a few times to see how they handle the game. Some people wait to attack, or attack forcefully in the beginning, some wait patiently, some are very guarded and wont make a real attack. I think fusger9 and Devrim can tell you what my personality type is by my game, as I can them. :)

You arent dumb. Anyone can learn to play. Look at me, by appearances I might look dumb to others. I am dyslexic, and was delayed speech as a child but I'm hardly "dumb". You just need the motivation and someone who is patient who will teach you as you go. Then you will get the bug.

Thaaaannnkkss!:D

[Sasha]

a news story, not about cows but about an pigmy goat;

Man Accused of Sexually Assaulting, Slaughtering Pygmy Goat (http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/05/06/man-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-slaughtering-pygmy-goat)

Posted by Cienna Madrid (http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/ArticleArchives?author=22119) on Fri, May 6, 2011 at 11:10 AM

The story gets worse—the pink-collared goat was a four-year-old neighbor's pet (http://weirdnews.aol.com/2011/05/03/man-sexually-assaults-pygmy-goat_n_856985.html#s273457&title=Criminal_Masterminds_Gallery):
http://www.thestranger.com/images/blogimages/2011/05/06/1304704930-mark_thompson.png


Alleged goat abuser.




When police arrived on the scene, they were startled by the bloody crime scene they found, Crosier said. According to the criminal complaint, Bailey was lying dead in a pool of blood on the floor. The small animal, clad in only a pink collar, had blood oozing from a wound to her neck. A pornographic magazine photo lay nearby. According to Crosier, Thompson allegedly "performed some sexual acts on the goat and also killed the goat."
While authorities investigated the crime scene, Thompson, who was "half naked, wearing female panties and a bra," came out of the woods and turned himself into police, Crosier added.
Jesus. I think I just ruined my day with this post. I think I owe myself a drink.

[Omsk]

What the hell?:( (you almost ruined my day too,psycho,luckily,i just received some GDR books so its ok.)

[Le Libérer]

a news story, not about cows but about an pigmy goat;

Man Accused of Sexually Assaulting, Slaughtering Pygmy Goat (http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/05/06/man-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-slaughtering-pygmy-goat)

Posted by Cienna Madrid (http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/ArticleArchives?author=22119) on Fri, May 6, 2011 at 11:10 AM

The story gets worse—the pink-collared goat was a four-year-old neighbor's pet (http://weirdnews.aol.com/2011/05/03/man-sexually-assaults-pygmy-goat_n_856985.html#s273457&title=Criminal_Masterminds_Gallery):
http://www.thestranger.com/images/blogimages/2011/05/06/1304704930-mark_thompson.png


Alleged goat abuser.



Jesus. I think I just ruined my day with this post. I think I owe myself a drink.



Are you sure he doesnt live in Arkansas?

[RGacky3]

THe funny thing is they made him, or he out of choice wore his bra during the photo.

[Ele'ill]

THe funny thing is they made him, or he out of choice wore his bra during the photo.

What's funny about that?

[RGacky3]

Your telling me that they found a guy that just had sex with a goat wearing panties and a bra and killed it, captured it, a guy with a fohawk and a thin beard, and then he's still wearing the bra for his mug shot, and you don't find that a little funny?

I don't think thats something you can explain.

[Sasha]

a news story, not about cows but about an pigmy goat;

Man Accused of Sexually Assaulting, Slaughtering Pygmy Goat (http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/05/06/man-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-slaughtering-pygmy-goat)

Posted by Cienna Madrid (http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/ArticleArchives?author=22119) on Fri, May 6, 2011 at 11:10 AM

The story gets worse—the pink-collared goat was a four-year-old neighbor's pet (http://weirdnews.aol.com/2011/05/03/man-sexually-assaults-pygmy-goat_n_856985.html#s273457&title=Criminal_Masterminds_Gallery):
http://www.thestranger.com/images/blogimages/2011/05/06/1304704930-mark_thompson.png


Alleged goat abuser.



Jesus. I think I just ruined my day with this post. I think I owe myself a drink.




What the hell?:( (you almost ruined my day too,psycho,luckily,i just received some GDR books so its ok.)


Are you sure he doesnt live in Arkansas?


THe funny thing is they made him, or he out of choice wore his bra during the photo.


What's funny about that?

Lol, if you don't click the spoiler but just read these posts the story in your head gets even more bizarre than it in fact was.

[The Man]

My stupid brother thought that stump remover looked like sugar, so he put it in his Ramen Noodles (some Ramen recipe) and the thing went up in flames that were 5 feet tall.. The kitchen ceiling is scorched, and the alarm scared the shit out of the dog. I was in shock, and my instinct was to look for water.

The fire looked like if was coming from a massive welder, but it went out after 10 seconds. But there is still smoke in the house (3 hours later), and there is residue all over the place that I have to clean tomorrow.

[Nolan]

Bro your life is epic.

[The Man]

Bro your life is epic.

Dude. I pissed my pants, it wasn't fun at all. But I will continue to give a daily update in reactionary chatter :)

[RGacky3]

My stupid brother thought that stump remover looked like sugar, so he put it in his Ramen Noodles (some Ramen recipe) and the thing went up in flames that were 5 feet tall.. The kitchen ceiling is scorched, and the alarm scared the shit out of the dog. I was in shock, and my instinct was to look for water.

The fire looked like if was coming from a massive welder, but it went out after 10 seconds. But there is still smoke in the house (3 hours later), and there is residue all over the place that I have to clean tomorrow.


Dude. I pissed my pants, it wasn't fun at all.

You Put a HUGE smile on my face :D.

[hatzel]

I'm making a fresh pizza for lunch. This is the definition of badass. From a culinary perspective, that is...

[Le Libérer]

My stupid brother thought that stump remover looked like sugar, so he put it in his Ramen Noodles (some Ramen recipe) and the thing went up in flames that were 5 feet tall.. The kitchen ceiling is scorched, and the alarm scared the shit out of the dog. I was in shock, and my instinct was to look for water.

The fire looked like if was coming from a massive welder, but it went out after 10 seconds. But there is still smoke in the house (3 hours later), and there is residue all over the place that I have to clean tomorrow.
Question. Why was there stump remover near the sugar?
(A logic question from someone who has child proofed a home)

[hatzel]

Question. Why was there stump remover near the sugar?

New question: what is stump remover anyway? :confused:

[The Man]

Question. Why was there stump remover near the sugar?
(A logic question from someone who has child proofed a home)

It was just in a ziploc bag, and it looked exactly like sugar. CotR, I really don't know why. We have cabinets full of everything you could imagine. :laugh:

[Revolution starts with U]

Who puts sugar in their ramen?

[Jazzratt]

To those of you still labouring under the dlusion that the world is a fair and just place I'd like to point out that I am currently eating a sandwhich made with two pizzas (topped with spicy beef, onions and chillis), half a block of cheese and a smoked sausage. I weigh 70-75kg (and at 198cm that's not much at all) proving once and for all that metabolisms are incredibly unjust.

[Agent Ducky]

Dude. I pissed my pants, it wasn't fun at all. But I will continue to give a daily update in reactionary chatter :)

BUT IT SOUNDS AWESOME. Zomg, FIRE. :D

[Agent Ducky]

To those of you still labouring under the dlusion that the world is a fair and just place I'd like to point out that I am currently eating a sandwhich made with two pizzas (topped with spicy beef, onions and chillis), half a block of cheese and a smoked sausage. I weigh 70-75kg (and at 198cm that's not much at all) proving once and for all that metabolisms are incredibly unjust.

People with high metabolisms who can eat anything they want are awesome. *runs to find more ridiculous food and eat it in front of dieters*

[hatzel]

To those of you still labouring under the dlusion that the world is a fair and just place...

You mean it's not? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_phenomenon) :(

[ComradeMan]

To those of you still labouring under the dlusion that the world is a fair and just place I'd like to point out that I am currently eating a sandwhich made with two pizzas (topped with spicy beef, onions and chillis), half a block of cheese and a smoked sausage. I weigh 70-75kg (and at 198cm that's not much at all) proving once and for all that metabolisms are incredibly unjust.


MAMMA MIA!!! CHE CAZZO FAI!

:lol:

[Le Libérer]

It was just in a ziploc bag, and it looked exactly like sugar. CotR, I really don't know why. We have cabinets full of everything you could imagine. :laugh:
You should hire me as temp momma. The bags would be categorized, labeled, and toxic chemicals no where near the food. :lol:

[Le Libérer]

To those of you still labouring under the dlusion that the world is a fair and just place I'd like to point out that I am currently eating a sandwhich made with two pizzas (topped with spicy beef, onions and chillis), half a block of cheese and a smoked sausage. I weigh 70-75kg (and at 198cm that's not much at all) proving once and for all that metabolisms are incredibly unjust.
Damn you. Damn you to hell.

[Skooma Addict]

MAMMA MIA!!! CHE CAZZO FAI!

:lol:

Gball.

[RGacky3]

To those of you still labouring under the dlusion that the world is a fair and just place I'd like to point out that I am currently eating a sandwhich made with two pizzas (topped with spicy beef, onions and chillis), half a block of cheese and a smoked sausage. I weigh 70-75kg (and at 198cm that's not much at all) proving once and for all that metabolisms are incredibly unjust.


Give it a couple years, it'll slow down, in the mean time do your push ups and pull ups, and eat cottage chease with pinapple squares.

[PhoenixAsh]

...so....apparantly its mothersday. At least thats what Facebook tells me it is.

If any of you value this: I am wishing you a happy mothersday. :-)

If not...well...I guess...you should just have a regular day or something. :-)

[hatzel]

So who else is looking forward to Kuhn's Landauer-Mühsam talk this evening?

...oh? Nobody else cares? Hmm...:(

[hatzel]

Also: I just feel so committed to this forum. Despite the fact that I also feel that I have serious difficulties making myself properly understood. Ah well, I guess it doesn't much matter...

[Le Libérer]

Also: I just feel so committed to this forum.
And your peers consider you committed too. Welcome to the CU.

[hatzel]

And your peers consider you committed too

I am deeply shocked by this, actually. All this time I'd been living under the illusion that I was some controversial fringe figure, a woefully misunderstood genius forwarding an alternate approach to life which would be totally disregarded in my lifetime, yet in 20, 50, 100 years, people would look back at me, a thinker ahead of my time, a figure ignored because society just wasn't ready for me yet, and think 'oh, how much progress could have been made had people only paid attention to him at the time.':laugh: But no. Seems like (despite my kicking up my fair share of controversy here and there) some people have already come to acknowledge my contribution. Ever so slightly. A teeny weeny tiny bit. Mainly not, but still, still, it's progress of some description...:)

(Yeah, this is my acceptance speech. I've turned this shizzle into the Oscars! :lol:)

[Revolution starts with U]

Wait, wait... where's my needle..
Someone has to deflate that giant head you got there :lol:

[Agent Ducky]

Happy Mother's day. I love and respect my mom, and I'm getting her stuff, etc, but there's this voice in the back of my mind telling me that it's a Hallmark holiday, made up by capitalists to exploit people's respect for their parents and make money. If you mention that to anyone (about valentine's day, mother's day, father's day, w/e) they go "WELL OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T LOVE YOUR PARENTS!".... It's just awkward because the idea of Hallmark holidays works so well, because if you reject the idea of hallmark holidays, everyone around you will try and make you feel guilty. O_o....

[Le Libérer]

http://www.3manchess.com/img2.jpg

Fucking A! Trying to wrap my head around this (http://www.3manchess.com/)!!

Finally, a Chess variant board has been developed that accommodates three players, without compromising ANY of the rules, strategies, or competitive challenges that make Chess the best board game in the world. The only changes from conventional chess are some protocol issues that must be followed to maintain order where the teams border each other, which is simple and necessary. Also, please notice that the trajectory lines orienting from the outer rank, are simply visual aids to help guide diagonal moves passing through the center. If the path is clear, a diagonal move starting from the outer rank can pass through the center and sweep back around to where it originated. The complexities of the third player are infinite. Your threatened piece may be allowed to maintain occupancy as your position is beneficial to the threatening player. But how long can it last? This scenario may exist all over the board. There are multiple trust and doubt situations between all players. An unexpected move might well result in a cascading massacre. Defense is crucial since a diagonal move through the center, or a horizontal move around the center can sneak up behind you. A player can be checkmated by a combination of both other players or ultimately one player can checkmate both other players at the same time.

[hatzel]

Wait, wait... where's my needle..
Someone has to deflate that giant head you got there :lol:

Through sheer coincidence, I actually do have a very large head. As I'm a man who likes a hat (you know, good Jewish fashion choice :rolleyes:), I have found that most companies eve don't make my size. In fact, of those companies which I have bought hats from, none have made more than one size bigger than that I wear. Therefore, I must have the second largest head of all time...

ALSO: that chess board looks awesome. I don't even play chess, but I want to play that!

[∞]

I'm going to learn Calculus, but ow necessary is Pre-Calc?

[Ele'ill]

I hate chess.

[Le Libérer]

I hate chess.
I dont think I have ever heard someone say that. Thats like saying I hate art or music.

[RedSunRising]

I dont think I have ever heard someone say that. Thats like saying I hate art or music.

How so?

I hate people who are always challenging you to a game of chess just to show how super clever they are.

Chess is not that vast spectrum that music or the arts both are anyways.

[Skooma Addict]

I dont think I have ever heard someone say that. Thats like saying I hate art or music.

I hate art.

[Ele'ill]

I dont think I have ever heard someone say that. Thats like saying I hate art or music.

It's just something about Chess that bothers me. I guess I don't 'hate' it but I just dislike it. I however understand the attraction to it. I like Stratego, Magic, Bomberman (lol), Astropop.... I dislike Asteroid and Tetris too. This is obviously a mix of video, card and board games but I think the similarities of attraction to the games apply.

Edit- I can't edit this post further- I've had a couple beers as I have off tomorrow. Deal with it.

[Quail]

How so?

I hate people who are always challenging you to a game of chess just to show how super clever they are.

Chess is not that vast spectrum that music or the arts both are anyways.
There are formulaic ways of winning chess, which is kind of annoying because it means that it isn't based purely on skill but rather on remembering certain patterns of moves.

[#FF0000]

Chess is a lot like Starcraft

[Ele'ill]

Chess is a lot like Starcraft

I liked Starcraft and Age of Empires. I also played Shattered Galaxy for a long time.

[Quail]

I used to play Age of Empires... But I wasn't very good at it, and I think the AI cheated far too much. I prefer Heroes of Might and Magic.

[Le Libérer]

How so?

I hate people who are always challenging you to a game of chess just to show how super clever they are.

Chess is not that vast spectrum that music or the arts both are anyways.
Yes it is. Aaron Nimzovich calculated the amount of possibilities of a chess game is equivalent to a 50with 50 zeros behind it, multiplied by itself. So yes it does encompass the vast spectrum that one associates to the arts and music.

Its algebriac as is music, but music only has 12 notes.

[Quail]

^ True. Chess boards have given rise to mathematical problems, such as can a knight visit every square of the board only once and return to its starting position?

[Le Libérer]

There are formulaic ways of winning chess, which is kind of annoying because it means that it isn't based purely on skill but rather on remembering certain patterns of moves.

That is completely false. Do you have a source to prove that? Chess has too many variables to even think of introducing the concept of formulaic victory. Why don't you google how many possibilities are in a chess game and we can talk about it when you get back.

[Quail]

That is completely false. Do you have a source to prove that? Chess has too many variables to even think of introducing the concept of formulaic victory. Why don't you google how many possibilities are in a chess game and we can talk about it when you get back.
Well, there are certain formulaic moves such as the 4 move checkmate that take some of the skill out of chess. Maybe they don't work on people that spend a lot of time practicing chess, but it's quite possible to beat a casual player using formulaic moves.

[#FF0000]

Well, there are certain formulaic moves such as the 4 move checkmate that take some of the skill out of chess. Maybe they don't work on people that spend a lot of time practicing chess, but it's quite possible to beat a casual player using formulaic moves.

Well, if that's the case then you can say any game that requires strategy takes the skill out of it.

[Quail]

Well, if that's the case then you can say any game that requires strategy takes the skill out of it.
How about card games such as poker, hearts or bridge? If both players are big chess fans, then they would both know how to avoid getting beaten in a formulaic way, but if people aren't quite so familiar with the game then it's not too hard to beat them using a set pattern of moves, which doesn't really make for a fun game.

[RedSunRising]

There is NO point in arguing with chess lovers about chess.

They will destroy any agrument you put up at the end of the day their fanatical beliefs are not that important.

Just so long as they dont bully me into playing it...

[Le Libérer]

Well, there are certain formulaic moves such as the 4 move checkmate that take some of the skill out of chess. Maybe they don't work on people that spend a lot of time practicing chess, but it's quite possible to beat a casual player using formulaic moves.
Haha I dont want to sound like a snob, but that 4 move check mate thing can be compared to learning just the cuss words of a new language. Its nin.


Just so long as they dont bully me into playing it...
You dont have to worry about that from me, again, not to be a snob, unless I am teaching someone chess, I dont play anyone under a 1600 rating.

[Skooma Addict]

Haha I dont want to sound like a snob, but that 4 move check mate thing can be compared to learning just the cuss words of a new language. Its nin.


You dont have to worry about that from me, again, not to be a snob, unless I am teaching someone chess, I dont play anyone under a 1600 rating.

So it is the most important part of chess then?

Chess is the only board game that I enjoy. I guess monopoly is alright.

[Le Libérer]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_jhHvQ-Gjb0g/Tcahs3j4qrI/AAAAAAAAARs/Izaw7Sr9cas/s512/duckdogface.jpg
For Duckie

[Agent Ducky]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_jhHvQ-Gjb0g/Tcahs3j4qrI/AAAAAAAAARs/Izaw7Sr9cas/s512/duckdogface.jpg
For Duckie

You've uncovered our conspiracy! I thought nobody would ever notice!

[Quail]

Haha I dont want to sound like a snob, but that 4 move check mate thing can be compared to learning just the cuss words of a new language. Its nin.

It was just an example, but whatever. I can't really be bothered to get into some stupid argument about chess. You enjoy it, I don't.

[Agent Ducky]

Also, my brother invented this chess 'strategy' called a "castle mission" which he thinks should be added to the rules of chess. Castle mission= kill off all of your people and don't kill off any of the other person's pieces, and only have your king left. If you successfully do that, you win. It's really stupid... but I successfully did that against a computer.

[Le Libérer]

So it is the most important part of chess then?

Chess is the only board game that I enjoy. I guess monopoly is alright.
Tactics, acquiring a solid foundation in opening 'principles', not memorizing specific openings, and studying the endgame. I see that alot, people setting up their pieces beautifully and then not knowing what to do next.

Chess is more than a game. Its telling of how someone will react to different settings. Its math, and I cant tell you how when you get to the place to look at 4 or 5 moves ahead, and being able to predict how your opponent will react. That alone is an amazing quality to transfer to decision making skills in real life.

[Skooma Addict]

Tactics, acquiring a solid foundation in opening 'principles', not memorizing specific openings, and studying the endgame. I see that alot, people setting up their pieces beautifully and then not knowing what to do next.

Chess is more than a game. Its telling of how someone will react to different settings. Its math, and I cant tell you how when you get to the place to look at 4 or 5 moves ahead, and being able to predict how your opponent will react. That alone is an amazing quality to transfer to decision making skills in real life.

Yea I hear chess makes you smarter. I have been trying to learn the strategies and stuff. Basically been playing a computer a bunch and looking up chess theory and strategies online. I'm still not very good.

[#FF0000]

Yea I hear chess makes you smarter. I have been trying to learn the strategies and stuff. Basically been playing a computer a bunch and looking up chess theory and strategies online. I'm still not very good.

yo get on chess.com so i can beat you up chessicly

[#FF0000]

Also, board games are hella fun, Skooma. You're fucking up if you don't play Settlers of Catan all day every day.

[The Man]

I'm going to attempt to use Reverse Psychology.

No one give me any rep.

[Agent Ducky]

I'm going to attempt to use Reverse Psychology.

No one give me any rep.

Lol. Might not work on other people, I'm just generous with rep :lol:

[Ele'ill]

, not to be a snob, unless I am teaching someone chess, I dont play anyone under a 1600 rating.

I would annihilate you if we played Stratego.

[Agent Ducky]

I would annihilate you if we played Stratego.

Stratego is fun :D. I've only played it once but it's fascinating =]

[RGacky3]

I kick ass in snakes and ladders.

[hatzel]

I kick ass in snakes and ladders.

It's almost as strategic as chess...

[Ele'ill]

I play Stratego with a 'blind set-up' where the pieces are quickly and randomly placed and have to deal with the results- doesn't matter if the flag is in the first or second row. I also like playing it diagonally and with the board turned so we're playing from positions not intended.

[ComradeMan]

Also, my brother invented this chess 'strategy' called a "castle mission" which he thinks should be added to the rules of chess. Castle mission= kill off all of your people and don't kill off any of the other person's pieces, and only have your king left. If you successfully do that, you win. It's really stupid... but I successfully did that against a computer.

I believe it already exists, it's called Scots Chess or something.

PS Comrade DUCKY why do you have a chicken avatar if you're a duck?

[PhoenixAsh]

...apparantly vipers do not enjoy being picked up.

and...incidentally...I need a better species determinating booklet and a course of German.



just returned from the doctor.

[PhoenixAsh]

Right....viperus berbus....apparantly I have been bitten by the only poisonous snake they have in the whole f-ing park...and it is red listed. Meaning it is rare and endangered....and incidentally should not be picked up.

Its recognisable from its diamond like pattern...and apparantly there is a picture mix up in the leaflet with the completely harmless legless lizard or whatever you call it in English. Imagine my surprise :-/

So...now I have a slight fever (which I am told will get worse through the night), cramps, nausea and a skin rash. But apparantly the last time it killed anybody was 50 years ago...so I am going to be alright.

Thats three snake bites today.

The first two were from ringsnakes (yellow ring around their necks) which are not poisonous. Now the viper...and I have been avoiding but have seen the legless lizzard.

Will provide picture of said snake later.

[ComradeMan]

Right....viperus berbus....apparantly I have been bitten by the only poisonous snake they have in the whole f-ing park...and it is red listed. Meaning it is rare and endangered....and incidentally should not be picked up.

Its recognisable from its diamond like pattern...and apparantly there is a picture mix up in the leaflet with the completely harmless legless lizard or whatever you call it in English. Imagine my surprise :-/

So...now I have a slight fever (which I am told will get worse through the night), cramps, nausea and a skin rash. But apparantly the last time it killed anybody was 50 years ago...so I am going to be alright.

Thats three snake bites today.

The first two were from ringsnakes (yellow ring around their necks) which are not poisonous. Now the viper...and I have been avoiding but have seen the legless lizzard.

Will provide picture of said snake later.

Being bitten by a snake makes you divine in some ancient traditions!

How did you manage to get bitten by a snake in.... the Netherlands?
:lol:

Attacked by frogs I can understand ;) but snakes.....:confused:

[hatzel]

Nailed my exam today, I feel. Questions answered: 'Discuss the significance of the fact that, for Locke, the right to property precedes the establishment of political society', 'discuss Marx's theory of the state' and 'discuss the treatment of morality in any TWO OR MORE thinkers you have studied' (for me Hobbes, Kant and Nietzsche). Also my lecturer told me that my individualist anarchist reading of Nietzsche (which was my coursework essay) was rather impressive. Seems good to me! :cool:

[Ele'ill]

Did you bite the snake back?

[The Man]

This strand of hair on my left butt cheeky gets pretty itchy.

[Agent Ducky]

I believe it already exists, it's called Scots Chess or something.

PS Comrade DUCKY why do you have a chicken avatar if you're a duck?

Idk, I found the chicken and made it even more anarchist/communist. I'm in the process of making a duck one =P. I've asked myself that too. This one isn't good enough:
http://www.evilcommieduck.com/images/Commieduckv1Communist.png
I found that on this dumbass website that sells right-wing T-shirts that are so stupid I can't tell if they're for reals or not.

[Revolution starts with U]

So someone linked this Sowell article to me, inferring my lack of knowledge of economics is the only thing making me a leftist :rolleyes: specifically because of this quote:

Who was it who said "crack-brained meddling by the authorities" can "aggravate an existing crisis"? Ronald Reagan? Milton Friedman? Adam Smith? Not even close. It was Karl Marx. Unlike most leftists today, Marx studied economics.
So, it took me like 2 days to track down where Marx said this, and just as i predicted to my "friend" it is a complete out of context, dare I say fraudulent quote, in the context it was presented.
What Marx actually said was:

Firstly, the whole theory of circulation is denied in its very fundamentals. Secondly, it is shown that the progress of crises, even though the credit system be a condition of the same, is concerned with currency only in so far as crackbrained meddling by the authorities in its regulation may aggravate an existing crisis, as in 1847

It just never ceases to amaze me how dishonest the right wing is, and how naive the common right winger is in believing them.

[Ele'ill]

http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/grandtheftautop1.gif

[Ele'ill]

http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/808fce95-7f1b-4cc4-9cb6-9ea80b92e4a2.gif

[Ele'ill]

No thank you.

http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/6a13f606-0e13-49cf-814f-cda9a3321ec9.gif

[Ele'ill]

uMbnmLLnsfw

[PhoenixAsh]

Being bitten by a snake makes you divine in some ancient traditions!

How did you manage to get bitten by a snake in.... the Netherlands?
:lol:

Attacked by frogs I can understand ;) but snakes.....:confused:

Being divine feels like crap :-) though...much better than yesterday and last night. Everything still hurts and I swear my eyes are a lighter shade of blue...(and bloodshot...for that matter).

We have snakes in Holland. But currently I am in Germany.

Also...one of my favorite Dutch poets wrote: I am a god in the depths of my thoughts. :-)

[PhoenixAsh]

Did you bite the snake back?

No...but I did win world championship snake tossing :-)

[Agent Ducky]

Why is there a stupid white background on my avatar? O_O I swear I deleted it and saved it as a .png multiple times. WTF REVLEFT

[GallowsBird]

Why is there a stupid white background on my avatar? O_O I swear I deleted it and saved it as a .png multiple times. WTF REVLEFT

http://bighugelabs.com/output/motivatorce2b837fee3f91fad247b5dc24287148dd506bac. jpg

[ComradeMan]

Being divine feels like crap :-) though...much better than yesterday and last night. Everything still hurts and I swear my eyes are a lighter shade of blue...(and bloodshot...for that matter).

We have snakes in Holland. But currently I am in Germany.

Also...one of my favorite Dutch poets wrote: I am a god in the depths of my thoughts. :-)


Well, I hope you feel better and are happy about your apotheosis- let's hope it isn't apocolocyntosis....:lol:

I checked and saw that indeed poisonous snakes, vipers, are found in the Netherlands and Germany- never imagined that to be honest- I thought it would be too cold there for snakes. Here we get those snakes plus a few nasty ones- especially asps. I suggest you either carry a saint card of St Patrick or move to Ireland given your bad luck with serpents!

[hatzel]

Why is there a stupid white background on my avatar? O_O I swear I deleted it and saved it as a .png multiple times. WTF REVLEFT

I think I'm right in saying that RevLeft can't handle transparency layers on the avatar. Take mine, for example. The grey background is actually part of the picture. So if you redo it, and just set the background as the colour of that top bar thing (I don't remember the exact code for that colour, but you can get it with that squeezy colour getty tool, of course), then it should look nice and neat like mine :)

[RGacky3]

Suck it Florida! (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/09/california-high-speed-rai_1_n_859732.html)

[RGacky3]

writing about relationships is the easiest thing ever, no matter how much bullshit you put out there, it'll get out.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/liz-brody/tell-somebody_b_858950.html

A lot of them are right but I htink this writer just ran out of stuff to write



Doesn’t think your friends and family value you enough, or even at all.
QUOTE]

How the hell is that a sign of abuse? Plus what if its true.

[QUOTE]
!! He beats up a teammate or has a punch-out in a bar.


So if a guy gets in a fight, it must mean he's abusive???



She starts saying she can’t come to things you invite her to (because she has to be with her boyfriend).


Thats a sign that she has an abusive boyfriend??? Or just a really good relationship and they do everything together. Imagen telling your friend she might have an abusive boyfriend because she hangs out with him too much.




When you’re with her, she’s always on-edge about returning his messages immediately or being late to meet him.


... meaning she's thoughtful? As if the only motivation for being thoughtful and polite is abuse.





You just feel like you’re losing her.


Really??? So because your uncomfortable with a girl spending a lot of time with their boyfriend, it means its a warning sign of abuse.

I'm not making light of abuse, but a lot of this stuff is rediculous ... Anyway, I don't know why this bothers me :P

[Che a chara]

http://i55.tinypic.com/1zd1x0o.jpg

[hatzel]

http://www.pitopia.de/pictures/standard/k/kaktusbluete/39/kaktusbluete_310139.jpg

Apparently this is actually a real sign somewhere out there in the world...:confused:

[Agent Ducky]

I think I'm right in saying that RevLeft can't handle transparency layers on the avatar. Take mine, for example. The grey background is actually part of the picture. So if you redo it, and just set the background as the colour of that top bar thing (I don't remember the exact code for that colour, but you can get it with that squeezy colour getty tool, of course), then it should look nice and neat like mine :)
It's just weird, because my previous avatar had a transparency background that worked just fine. Weird. :confused:

[hatzel]

It's just weird, because my previous avatar had a transparency background that worked just fine. Weird. :confused:

Hmm...well, it wouldn't hurt to just change the background colour anyway, Ducky :)

You
http://www.clker.com/cliparts/v/Q/p/5/L/m/funny-duck-hi.png

[Agent Ducky]

D'aww, what a cute commie penguin ^_^. Planning to change the background color asap.

[hatzel]

D'aww, what a cute commie penguin ^_^. Planning to change the background color asap.

I'll be paying close attention, so that I can say 'oh, yeah, it looks great like that!' :lol: (Oh, it's done...I like it!)

[Agent Ducky]

Thanks for the advice =]. The duck itself is kinda weird, I drew it... and I feel like there's something missing/wrong with it....

[hatzel]

Oh, you drew it? What a fine self-portrait it is :thumbup1: I dunno if there's anything wrong with it...looks quite like a duck to me, though most ducks I see aren't wearing such stylish little hats...we'll call it artistic licence :)

[Revolution starts with U]

It's missing feet

[hatzel]

IT'S FRIGGING SWIMMING!!! :cursing:

[PhoenixAsh]

video bear attack


0_0 Holy hell... thats freaking intense!!!

What I really like is that he did not shoot the bear...I do not know what I would have done. But thats freaking intense.

[ComradeMan]

I wonder where Bud is. I hope he is okay.

[Ele'ill]

I wonder where Bud is. I hope he is okay.

He's traveling which is the main reason he's not posting- I heard a ridiculous rumor that someone was mean to him and he got upset and left but as we've seen in the past, if that were the case, he'd come right back after an hour or two. If he were to arrive in Portland, or if the timing was right- Seattle, I'd have a couple 40ozers with him. Or whatever highball snobbish liquor mixes he prefers. He owes me a lot of drinks and needs to travel this way.

[The Man]

My brother basically all afternoon:

http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/mykillstreakp1.gif

[Agent Ducky]

IT'S FRIGGING SWIMMING!!! :cursing:

Exactly this.

And LOL @ the blue screen of doom =P

[PhoenixAsh]

Picture of the sort of snake that bit me. I can't seem to get my own picture to upload...

Anayways...this is how it looks. Pretty awesome.


http://www.ravon.nl/Portals/0/Gallery/Album/155/adder,%20Vipera%20berus,%20Bulgarije.JPG



It does not always inject a full dose of venom nor does it always inject venom. If it injects it injects a cocktail of several protein strands which all have different effects. They are rarely deadly...mostly with young children, elderly and those with preexisting medical conditions.

Sympthoms can vary in severity:
- tissue necrosis (very limited in my case)
- swelling (localised)
- nerve damage (probably not)
- resperatory failure (mild problems breathing)
- anti blood clogging (yes)
- bloodvessel damage (localised)
- nausea (yes)
- dizzynes (yes)
- headache (slight)
- loss of bladder control (nope :-) )
- cramps (hell yes)
- fever (yes...39* for an hour or so)

Normally they will just treat sympthoms if there is no shock or severe resperatory failure or advanced necrosis.

In my case I was quick with my reaction. My skin was partially pierced by one tooth and pierced by the other. Most of the venom ended up in my sweater and shirt...which is a good thing.

I immediately sucked out the wound...and I remembered to walk slowely as to not get the blood circulating too much. Even though I had mild to mediate sympthoms I had to remain in hospital for four hours under observation and because of my recent medical history I did receive serum, f(ab)-2, as a precautionary measure.

I am somewhat surprised at the lack of swelling...though the bite marks are clearly visible, red and puffy. There is some blueish glow under the skin...and it burns like hell. But thats about it. All other sympthoms except for some dizziness and slight nausea seem to have disappeared completely.

I managed to lift weights today reasonably normal.

[hatzel]

Sounds pretty rough. Glad you're a-okay now, though! :)

[Agent Ducky]

That snake is badass looking =] good thing you knew how to act, etc. Feel better soon.

[Revolution starts with U]

IT'S FRIGGING SWIMMING!!! :cursing:

Then why can I clearly see its' bottom? It's not swimming, or else a portion of the bottom would be un-visible. Also, there are no marks indicating water, or anything of the sort. It is clearly a leg-less duck. A cool duck... but a legless one nonetheless.

[Agent Ducky]

Then why can I clearly see its' bottom? It's not swimming, or else a portion of the bottom would be un-visible. Also, there are no marks indicating water, or anything of the sort. It is clearly a leg-less duck. A cool duck... but a legless one nonetheless.
Well I based it off a rubber duck. Lol. That probably explains it.

Anyways, I was listening to NPR and heard stormfront referred to as a "Nazi" website. No matter how hard they try, everyone will always call them Nazis. [email protected]

[hatzel]

Even the nice little cloud thing, trying to make it look like a children's TV show, doesn't do enough to convince people that it's a Teletubbies fan forum. Strange, really...

[RGacky3]

Quote by Zizek on seductoin


There is a somewhat analogous situation with regard to the heterosexual seduction procedure in our Politically Correct times: the two sets, the set of PC behaviour and the set of seduction, do not actually intersect anywhere; that is, there is no seduction which is not in a way an "incorrect" intrusion or harassment — at some point, one has to expose oneself and "make a pass." So does this mean that every seduction is incorrect harassment through and through? No, and that is the catch: when you make a pass, you expose yourself to the Other (the potential partner), and she decides retroactively, by her reaction, whether what you have just done was harassment or a successful act of seduction — and there is no way to tell in advance what her reaction will be. This is why assertive women often despise "weak" men — because they fear to expose themselves, to take the necessary risk. And perhaps this is even more true in our PC times: are not PC prohibitions rules which, in one way or another, are to be violated in the seduction process? Is not the seducer’s art to accomplish this violation properly — so that afterwards, by its acceptance, its harassing aspect will be retroactively cancelled?

Thoughts? (I don't buy it, but I want to hear your thoughts).

[hatzel]

You'd have to ask that Žižek = Jesus 'let's just give up everything and start over from scratch!' guy because he's really cool :)

I will, however, take this opportunity to make a cracking (though somewhat puerile) joke:


...at some point, one has to expose oneself...If that's his flirting technique, then I feel most women would, in fact, consider it 'harassment', rather than a 'successful act of seduction'...

See what I did there? Brilliant little double entendre...:thumbup1:

[RGacky3]

Zinger!

[PhoenixAsh]

I dislike the term seduction. Its too loaded. But perhaps that is just personal. I think seduction is all nice and well but only after the boy or girl in question has given some form of consent that the overtures are welcome.

I rather use the term flirting or courtship. I think no sane person would actually argue against flirting as being completely normal and useful. (That said...flirting and courtship can very much become harasment when the initial overture is rejected and you continue to do so.) But the way you flirt is important. To illustrate:

If I step up to a girl in a bar and say: "hey sugar...you know what look good on you...etc."

vs

If I step up to a girl and say: "Hi. I noticed you from acros the room. And I was wondering if I could have the chance to get to know you better."

One is pathetic and disrespectful. The other is not. One will be most likely labelled harassment the other will most likely be not. (agian...IF you honour the possible rejection)


And it also depends on setting. To illustrate:

If a girl is having a nice get together with other friends and you interject yourself squarrely in the conversation and cut her of from her friends....this could most likely be harasment.

If you step up. Appologize for interrupting then you may be unwelcome. But you are not being disrespectful.

So yeah...flirting can be harasment if you are being a complete idiot and asshole about it. When you initiate direct communication without having been given some sort of "ok" signal...you are interrupting. You are intruding. Its your duty to minimise that intervention and to be as respectful as you can and to create an athmosphere in which this interruption and intrusion is not seen as harassment. Because common sense dictates that depending on how you blunder you are engaging at the disadvantage.


The weak argument is actually more complex in my opinion.

And what the author forgets to realise that there is a huge difference between seeing somebody you like and making a direct beeline for that unsuspecting person to initiate direct communication...and having made initial contact through body language from a distance (glances; movements etc.) and THEN initiating direct communication.

The weak part actually comes into play in the second. If you have been signalling each other and you do NOT initiate contact you are being perceived as either to passive, not willing or not "brave" enough. Since your hestitance will require the other party to initiate contact.

And that is something a lot of women will not do easilly. Mainly because of the same factors which are also prevalent in men...insecurity or social anxiety. But also for a very, very healthy and good reason: control. I do not mean that in a bad way. But when a woman initiates direct communication she is actually giving control over the situation over to the other making it a lot less easy to disengage....which...given the current level of sex oriented men...is not unwise.


On the weak men argument. I think that may be true in some cases...but I personally have never, ever had any problems with trying to engage direct contact litterally shaking like a leaf and sweating and stuttering. The very fact that you show anxiety but do not let it hold you back to initiate contact is often more appreciated than showing up all sure and full of yourself.

As for the argument that assertive women dispise the insecurity...mwah...we are all human...who knows what we like or do not like. That argument comes of as a little bit sexist IMO...at leats a little bit "bohoho...I struck out"-hurt. My experience is that assertive women actually tend to initiate direct communication sooner and are often more foregiving of any mistakes you make simply because they are assertive enough to directly correct any unwanted behaviour and feel more secure about controlling the situation.

But hey...all this is from personal observation and experience. I have no idea what goes on in the heads of men and women. I personally have no problems or complaints with my flirting since I try to be respectful an non-intrusive as possible, actually listen to and observe verbal and non-verbal signals and try to use common sense.

And lets face it...it all depends on common sense and mutual respect.

[hatzel]

Beyond my joke thing...I mean, there is some truth in what he says there. It is true that if you go up to a woman in a bar, 'hey, hey, beautiful' or such, it won't be your actions (necessarily) which will determine whether you're a creepy leeching sleaze or a true Casanova, but whether she takes a shine to you (though of course there is a possibility that the actions would influence her likelihood of reacting positively). That much makes sense. I'm not so certain about the rest of the noise around that basic assertion, though...

[Le Libérer]

Beyond my joke thing...I mean, there is some truth in what he says there. It is true that if you go up to a woman in a bar, 'hey, hey, beautiful' or such, it won't be your actions (necessarily) which will determine whether you're a creepy leeching sleaze or a true Casanova, but whether she takes a shine to you

Anyone who walks up to me and says, "Hey Beautiful" gets a "Fuck Off" from me.

[Omsk]

Anyone who walks up to me and says, "Hey Beautiful" gets a "Fuck Off" from me.

How cruel.:unsure::lol:

[Le Libérer]

How cruel.:unsure::lol:

Do you want me to explain why?

[Omsk]

Do you want me to explain why?
Mhh ok?

[RGacky3]

Why?

If someone says "hey sexy" or "hey handsome" to me I smile. I mean I get it, that when done by a man to a woman the whole power dynamic comes in, there as that dynamic does'nt exist the other way around, but reacting with a "fuck off" will either re-enforce the man if he is just harrassing, i.e. trying to push your buttons, or just be mean to someone who is genuinely trying to flirt but just sucks at it.

[RGacky3]

If I step up to a girl and say: "Hi. I noticed you from acros the room. And I was wondering if I could have the chance to get to know you better."


Thats rediculos, the "Chance to get to know you?" As if its a privilege to talk to this woman, why would you lyingly infer that talking to a girl is a privilege?



If a girl is having a nice get together with other friends and you interject yourself squarrely in the conversation and cut her of from her friends....this could most likely be harasment.

If you step up. Appologize for interrupting then you may be unwelcome. But you are not being disrespectful.




No thats not harrasment, thats just being inpolite.

But you know what? The over-careful guys are not the ones getting women.


On the weak men argument. I think that may be true in some cases...but I personally have never, ever had any problems with trying to engage direct contact litterally shaking like a leaf and sweating and stuttering. The very fact that you show anxiety but do not let it hold you back to initiate contact is often more appreciated than showing up all sure and full of yourself.


Appreciated with sex?


As for the argument that assertive women dispise the insecurity...mwah...we are all human...who knows what we like or do not like. That argument comes of as a little bit sexist IMO...at leats a little bit "bohoho...I struck out"-hurt. My experience is that assertive women actually tend to initiate direct communication sooner and are often more foregiving of any mistakes you make simply because they are assertive enough to directly correct any unwanted behaviour and feel more secure about controlling the situation.


I think there is a lot of empirical evidence that women are attracted to security.

That being said the sort of asshole approach to flirting portrays insecurity, because they are trying to distance themself from the situation and not risk regection, sometimes moreso than the overly careful guy is portraying it.

Harrasment imo is when you use power dynamics in your flirting, or do so when its clearly innappropriate.

[Le Libérer]

Why?

If someone says "hey sexy" or "hey handsome" to me I smile. I mean I get it, that when done by a man to a woman the whole power dynamic comes in, there as that dynamic does'nt exist the other way around, but reacting with a "fuck off" will either re-enforce the man if he is just harrassing, i.e. trying to push your buttons, or just be mean to someone who is genuinely trying to flirt but just sucks at it.

They obviously dont know what they are getting themselves into? I dunno, (I really dont want to sound snobbish but..) I am told I am beautiful every day, and I suppose I am physically appealing, so I am desensitized to that particular compliment. But I also know they expect something from me that they are going to have to earn, and a cheap compliment straight out of the gate is just that, cheap. I know when it is sincere and when its a cheap come on. And I demand something more. (God, that sounded awful)

[PhoenixAsh]

Because such terms immediately objectify a person to her looks and comming from a man its a signal that the only reason he is interested is because of the way she looks.

[Le Libérer]

Because such terms immediately objectify a person to her looks and comming from a man its a signal that the only reason he is interested is because of the way she looks.

Nutshell.

[PhoenixAsh]

And lets face it...its pretty much a given that when you initiate contact its because of some attraction. Its goddamned obvious and uncreative.

[Skooma Addict]

Thats rediculos, the "Chance to get to know you?" As if its a privilege to talk to this woman, why would you lyingly infer that talking to a girl is a privilege?

Exactly. I have noticed every time you analyze a subject like this you have been spot on.

[hatzel]

Just so it's clear, I was just using 'hey hey, beautiful' as an example of something people might say, not as my idea of the perfect chat-up line. Perhaps the potential seducer would be more likely to be considered lecherous for saying it than if they'd used Hindsight's more polite suggestion. Still, irrespective of the politeness of the formulation, it could be classed as harassment if the advances are rejected...

À propos rejection: I just found my first poetry book, where I'd write stuff when I was 14 or something. I thank my lucky stars that I have improved considerably since then :thumbup:

[Revolution starts with U]

Well if you've never talked to somoene before.... are you not approaching them because of their looks? I could see if you seen someone giving a talk, or talking with their friends. THen you would have some idea of their personality. But if you're just across the bar giving each other looks and then you approach... obviously looks had something to do with it.

[PhoenixAsh]

When I was still diving I saw a girl I liked and the whole evening she was rejecting advances of men way more attractive than me....but who just offered her drinks or cheesy lines.

But I really liked her...and I felt I had nothing going for me.

So...Instead of using some cheesy line I simply walked up to her, briskly put my bag on the chair next to her, opened it and without looking handed her my goggles...said "here, hold that"...then simply gave her and her friend a minutes before pre ordered drink.

She asked me why the goggles and I said I would explain later. I then introduced myself to her friend....and asked her to foregive me the intrusion and I would probably need less then a minute.

I then introduced myself nervously to the girl. She immediately held up the goggles..questioningly.

So I said I had seen her and had built up the courage to talk to her for a while. That I thought she had the most beautiful eyes I had ever seen and was terrified I would get shot down and drown in them and turn into some stottering idiot and completely f-ing up any remote chance I even had in getting to actually know her better...and that I hoped she would hand me a life jacket...

She did...we ended up diving for a first date and several other dates. :-)

Creativity is always good...it distinguishes you and shows you are not afraid to make an effort...nor a fool of yourself.

[RGacky3]

I am told I am beautiful every day, and I suppose I am physically appealing, so I am desensitized to that particular compliment. But I also know they expect something from me that they are going to have to earn, and a cheap compliment straight out of the gate is just that, cheap. I know when it is sincere and when its a cheap come on. And I demand something more. (God, that sounded awful)

Yes, it sounded awful, Jesus Christ.

they are getting something from you???? But getting something are you talking about your pussy? Its something they have to earn???

I don't think any man should look at pussy as something they need to "earn" as if its payment for good behavior. If a woman does'nt want to have sex with you because she wants to have sex with you, then you'll get better.

Thats imo a really perverse attitude, that your sex is something that needs to be "earned."


Because such terms immediately objectify a person to her looks and comming from a man its a signal that the only reason he is interested is because of the way she looks.

And what if he is? Whats wrong with that? Almost ALL sexual relationships start with the only reason being the way she looks, why lie about it?

No shit it objectifies a woman, all sexual relationships are objectifications.


Well if you've never talked to somoene before.... are you not approaching them because of their looks? I could see if you seen someone giving a talk, or talking with their friends. THen you would have some idea of their personality. But if you're just across the bar giving each other looks and then you approach... obviously looks had something to do with it.

Of coarse, its looks and percieved sexual/relationship value.

I'm not saying any way shold go around saying "he sexy" or be rude to women, because thats not gonna get you anywhere, and its gonna come off as rude and boneheaded, which it kind of is. But the attitude, that you should be extra nice to women because you want to get pussy (which dispite whatever you say IS the reason), is rediculous, A: your not gonaa get more pussy by being extra nice, and B: your lying, and devaluing yourself.

Inface I think its a sexist notion, that idea that sex from a woman is some thing that needs to be earned, as if its a commodity.

[Le Libérer]

But if you're just across the bar giving each other looks and then you approach... obviously looks had something to do with it.

If theres something to this "noticing each other from across the bar" thing, and I feel an attraction, I'm probably going to initiate the conversation.

I was with someone for 8 years. I'm sure he noticed my mouth on the floor gawking at him when he walked in and sat down. Anyway, he was with a mutual friend. I motioned for her to come see me. I asked who he was. She told me he was a co-worker. I told her to tell him, "see that blonde over there? She thinks you are attractive. If you are interested, go introduce yourself.

A few minutes later someone tapped me on the shoulder it was him. We exchanged numbers. The first time he called, and he offered a time and place to meet, I shot him down, but told him I would call him back in a couple of days. I did and we went out. I would repeat that sequence, of pulling away and being open until it became serious.

People want what they cant have, but dont have the patience to fight for it. When I say to someone fuck off, and they walk away, then I know why they were approaching me. If they stay and keep on I call security. If they go away and send a drink over, I open up. Timing and respecting my boundaries goes a very long way.

[RGacky3]

Creativity is always good...it distinguishes you and shows you are not afraid to make an effort...nor a fool of yourself.

True also, and you did'nt even buy her a drink.

BTW, were you ACTUALLY nervous??? Because honestly it does'nt sound like you were.

[Le Libérer]

Yes, it sounded awful, Jesus Christ.

they are getting something from you???? But getting something are you talking about your pussy? Its something they have to earn???

I don't think any man should look at pussy as something they need to "earn" as if its payment for good behavior. If a woman does'nt want to have sex with you because she wants to have sex with you, then you'll get better.

Thats imo a really perverse attitude, that your sex is something that needs to be "earned." Who said anything about pussy? That just shows where your mind is. I am talking about respect, cuz.

[RGacky3]

People want what they cant have, but dont have the patience to fight for it. When I say to someone fuck off, and they walk away, then I know why they were approaching me. If they stay and keep on I call security. If they go away and send a drink over, I open up. Timing and respecting my boundaries goes a very long way.

Man thats WAYYY worse.... If they buy you a drink then you definately know why they were approaching you ...

But again, theres the attitude that yoursomething that needs to be earned, but I don't blame you perse, because obviously men do it. I'm just saying men should treat women as regular people, not pussies that need to be bought and earned.

What goes a long way is that more than anything, one thing that turns of women faster than anything is desperation. I"m not saying don't fight for something worth fighting for, but you don't know if its worth fighting for until you actually know them already do you? And you shold'nt forget, that yeah, women have vaginas, but you also have a penis, and women want that just as much as you want their vagina.

I think treating women as equals, on all levels, sexually, intellectually and so on, will go farther than buying a drink from across the bar.

[RGacky3]

Who said anything about pussy? That just shows where your mind is. I am talking about respect, cuz.

Are people saying "hey beautiful" or approaching you at a bar, or buying you a drink because they want your "respect?" Common now, don't be silly. THats where my mind is because we are talking about SEDUCTION.

[Revolution starts with U]

When I was still diving I saw a girl I liked and the whole evening she was rejecting advances of men way more attractive than me....but who just offered her drinks or cheesy lines.

But I really liked her...and I felt I had nothing going for me.

So...Instead of using some cheesy line I simply walked up to her, briskly put my bag on the chair next to her, opened it and without looking handed her my goggles...said "here, hold that"...then simply gave her and her friend a minutes before pre ordered drink.

She asked me why the goggles and I said I would explain later. I then introduced myself to her friend....and asked her to foregive me the intrusion and I would probably need less then a minute.

I then introduced myself nervously to the girl. She immediately held up the goggles..questioningly.

So I said I had seen her and had built up the courage to talk to her for a while. That I thought she had the most beautiful eyes I had ever seen and was terrified I would get shot down and drown in them and turn into some stottering idiot and completely f-ing up any remote chance I even had in getting to actually know her better...and that I hoped she would hand me a life jacket...

She did...we ended up diving for a first date and several other dates. :-)

Creativity is always good...it distinguishes you and shows you are not afraid to make an effort...nor a fool of yourself.

So basically you engaged in a pre-fabricated fraud, because honesty is not as important as "getting the girl."
THIS is why I'm single. I can't play the games. It's all a bunch of dishonest posturing.


If theres something to this "noticing each other from across the bar" thing, and I feel an attraction, I'm probably going to initiate the conversation.

I was with someone for 8 years. I'm sure he noticed my mouth on the floor gawking at him when he walked in and sat down. Anyway, he was with a mutual friend. I motioned for her to come see me. I asked who he was. She told me he was a co-worker. I told her to tell him, "see that blonde over there? She thinks you are attractive. If you are interested, go introduce yourself.

A few minutes later someone tapped me on the shoulder it was him. We exchanged numbers. The first time he called, and he offered a time and place to meet, I shot him down, but told him I would call him back in a couple of days. I did and we went out. I would repeat that sequence, of pulling away and being open until it became serious.

People want what they cant have, but dont have the patience to fight for it. When I say to someone fuck off, and they walk away, then I know why they were approaching me. If they stay and keep on I call security. If they go away and send a drink over, I open up. Timing and respecting my boundaries goes a very long way.
Further evidence that starting relationships is all a bunch of dishonest posturing. THe one good relationship I've had was with a friend. Other than that it was all about trying to "win" something, and that is never going to work out. Once you get the prize, the game is no fun anymore.

[Le Libérer]

Further evidence that starting relationships is all a bunch of dishonest posturing. THe one good relationship I've had was with a friend. Other than that it was all about trying to "win" something, and that is never going to work out. Once you get the prize, the game is no fun anymore.

You can choose to pick a mate anyway you feel works for you. I do know I always get the boy, and its because i know what works and what doesnt. (for me)

And it was a lot of fun for him and for me. He says to this day, I am the most exciting woman hes ever met, and its nothing special about me, except maybe I'm cute and unpredictably fun.

[Skooma Addict]

Idc what anyone says, looks in a woman go a long way (most likely the most important aspect). Anyone who thinks this is offensive can go back to buying random girls who don't give two shits about them drinks.

[PhoenixAsh]

Thats rediculos, the "Chance to get to know you?" As if its a privilege to talk to this woman, why would you lyingly infer that talking to a girl is a privilege?

It was an example.

But I do not see how this is infering its a privilege. I am interfering and interrupting somebody who is bussy and I want something from her: attention...which draws her attention away from her current preoccupations.

I also do not see the lying part. I would like the chance...otherwise I would not initiate.




No thats not harrasment, thats just being inpolite. and interrupting somebody to be impolite is actually one of the vernacular definitions of harrasment...



But you know what? The over-careful guys are not the ones getting women.

I am not implying that. But there is a complete canyon between being overcareful and obnoxious and stupid. Also "getting" women? I do not aim to get a woman. I am to get to know her and her to know me.

That may seem overcareful...and I am not about to get into a pissing contest with you...but in "getting" women I am actually doing pretty damned good.




Appreciated with sex?

Thats your problem right there...I do not aim for sex. I aim to get to know the girl and her to get to know me...wether or not that leads to sex really is up to how things go and if she and me feel like that in the course of the evening. That difference in attitude is a world of difference and actually something most women can sense IMO.




I think there is a lot of empirical evidence that women are attracted to security.

I am not deying that a lot of women like security...unfortunately...for good reason. Because most men will initiate with the intend of sex.



That being said the sort of asshole approach to flirting portrays insecurity, because they are trying to distance themself from the situation and not risk regection, sometimes moreso than the overly careful guy is portraying it.

Hmmm or its because they are simply assholes who feel entitled.




Harrasment imo is when you use power dynamics in your flirting, or do so when its clearly innappropriate.

I think harrasment is when a boy or girl perceives your attitude as such. Powerdynamics are rarely ok btw.

[Le Libérer]

Are people saying "hey beautiful" or approaching you at a bar, or buying you a drink because they want your "respect?" Common now, don't be silly. THats where my mind is because we are talking about SEDUCTION.

Then they need to go to the next girl, cuz if I dont respect you, you aint ever getting anywhere near the pussy.

I uphold respect higher than love. I can fuck you if I respect you, whether I love you or not.

Of course its not really that simple. Theres a million variables that play into it.

[Skooma Addict]

It was an example.

But I do not see how this is infering its a privilege. I am interfering and interrupting somebody who is bussy and I want something from her: attention...which draws her attention away from her current preoccupations.

I also do not see the lying part. I would like the chance...otherwise I would not initiate.

I know this is the internet but you sound like a wimp when you say this. You are also over thinking it way too much. It's best to just go up and say what you want without any kind of apologetic attitude.



and interrupting somebody to be impolite is actually one of the vernacular definitions of harrasment...

If I interrupted someone and they accused me of harassment I would laugh in their face. Come on man...

[Skooma Addict]

Then they need to go to the next girl, cuz if I dont respect you, you aint ever getting anywhere near the pussy.

I uphold respect higher than love. I can fuck you if I respect you, whether I love you or not.

Of course its not really that simple. Theres a million variables that play into it.

A million variables? Damn women are complicated. There are like 3 variables for me.

[Skooma Addict]

Also Gack if that is a pic of you I want your workout plan.

[RGacky3]

So basically you engaged in a pre-fabricated fraud, because honesty is not as important as "getting the girl."
THIS is why I'm single. I can't play the games. It's all a bunch of dishonest posturing.


I would actually say thats why I am not single.


Further evidence that starting relationships is all a bunch of dishonest posturing. THe one good relationship I've had was with a friend. Other than that it was all about trying to "win" something, and that is never going to work out. Once you get the prize, the game is no fun anymore.

I think being honest (politely of coarse) will get your farther than dishonest posturing, guys that pretend to be guinely interested in what is on a girls mind, when really they just want pussy are cheating themselves and really being innafective.


But I do not see how this is infering its a privilege. I am interfering and interrupting somebody who is bussy and I want something from her: attention...which draws her attention away from her current preoccupations.

I also do not see the lying part. I would like the chance...otherwise I would not initiate.


Would you say that to a man? I doubt it, it is infering its a privilege, because you are ASKING for the CHANCE, it is inplying a privilege, you ask for a chance from the judge when your going to prison, the implication there is the same.

Your your attention was just as valuble as hers (which it is), you would'nt be "asking for the chance" you'd be in a way "offering her a chance."


and interrupting somebody to be impolite is actually one of the vernacular definitions of harrasment...


Harrasment implies continued even after its clear that your attentions are not wanted.


But there is a complete canyon between being overcareful and obnoxious and stupid. Also "getting" women? I do not aim to get a woman. I am to get to know her and her to know me.

That may seem overcareful...and I am not about to get into a pissing contest with you...but in "getting" women I am actually doing pretty damned good.


Being obnoxious and supid, and being overcareful in my opinon come from the same place, they come from fear and insecurity.

thats my point, I'm not saying anything about you personally, I have no problem with what you do, and just pointing out implications that exist from modern sexual culture.

and I'm sure your doing pretty damn good, thats not the point.


Thats your problem right there...I do not aim for sex. I aim to get to know the girl and her to get to know me...wether or not that leads to sex really is up to how things go and if she and me feel like that in the course of the evening. That difference in attitude is a world of difference and actually something most women can sense IMO.


Approaching women at a bar? Even if your aim is to get to know a girl, which it should be, I agree, your ultimate goal is sex, your (I"m assuming) goal is not platonic friendship, its a relationship, of which a big part is sex.


I am not deying that a lot of women like security...unfortunately...for good reason. Because most men will initiate with the intend of sex.


I don't think its unfortunate, because security is something women also want in a relationship.


Hmmm or its because they are simply assholes who feel entitled.


Could be, but those assholes, to many girls, reak of insecurity.


I think harrasment is when a boy or girl perceives your attitude as such. Powerdynamics are rarely ok btw.

I agree powerdynamics, especially in relationships rae never ok, and no perception of harrasment, does not equal harrasment, if that was the case, then simply approaching someone could be called harrasment.


do know I always get the boy, and its because i know what works and what doesnt. (for me)

And it was a lot of fun for him and for me. He says to this day, I am the most exciting woman hes ever met, and its nothing special about me, except maybe I'm cute and unpredictably fun.

Oh Man your unbareable.

But yeah, that attitude manytimes will work with men, but it also works with women :)

[Le Libérer]

A million variables? Damn women are complicated. There are like 3 variables for me.

That many? damn my calculations are completely off about men, I thought it was one.

[Skooma Addict]

That many? damn my calculations are completely off about men, I thought it was one.

Well now that you mention it I guess I am just a very deep and thoughtful person.

[RGacky3]

Then they need to go to the next girl, cuz if I dont respect you, you aint ever getting anywhere near the pussy.

I uphold respect higher than love. I can fuck you if I respect you, whether I love you or not.

Of course its not really that simple. Theres a million variables that play into it.

I absolutely agree, and thats something that men should keep in mind, women need to respect a man before they love them or are attracted to them.

My point was their ultimately goal IS sex, how they get there is another way, and they should get their from a position of respect.


A million variables? Damn women are complicated. There are like 3 variables for me.

They really arn't, I think men think they are complicated because they think in terms of "what do women want" rather than "what attracts women."


Also Gack if that is a pic of you I want your workout plan.

Do pull ups, when that pic was taken I had'nt gone to a gym in probably 6 or 7 months (just doing stuff at home, I was broke at that time). I'm about 8 kilos heavier now that I've gotten back.

[RGacky3]

BTW hindsight 20/20, I just want to make it clear, I was'nt trying to make any personal statement against you, or get into a pissing contest, simply discussing modern sexual relationships.


That many? damn my calculations are completely off about men, I thought it was one.

If they actually care about you its a whole lot more, you know that.

[Skooma Addict]

They really arn't, I think men think they are complicated because they think in terms of "what do women want" rather than "what attracts women."


I guess, but I would drive myself crazy if I tried to look at it like that. I agree though lots of guys probly do think in those terms.



Do pull ups, when that pic was taken I had'nt gone to a gym in probably 6 or 7 months (just doing stuff at home, I was broke at that time). I'm about 6 kilos heavier now that I've gotten back.

Interesting. I am trying to bulk up a bit now that I don't really play soccer anymore. Idk why I haven't added pullups to my routine.

[RGacky3]

Do pull ups and do lots of them, nothing better for your back (maybe deadlifts).

[Ele'ill]

Gacky, my back spread at 155lbs puts your avatar to shame. I don't workout either- it's all from work.











This is an inflammatory 'hey bro' joke post

[El Chuncho]

I see a disturbing lack of toilet humour in here!

http://static.funnyjunk.com/pictures/japanese_toilet_signs_and_rules_in_japan_no_standi 10.jpg

Fixed.

[ComradeMan]

Do pull ups and do lots of them, nothing better for your back (maybe deadlifts).

I can think of something far more enjoyable and romantic to do than pull ups, great exercise and good for your back.......;)

[#FF0000]

I can think of something far more enjoyable and romantic to do than pull ups, great exercise and good for your back.......;)

sit on an exercise ball and eat ice cream

EDIT: My bad. That's better for your core.

[Ele'ill]

I can think of something far more enjoyable and romantic to do than pull ups, great exercise and good for your back.......;)

'Bro' pull-ups in front of a mirror?

[ComradeMan]

sit on an exercise ball and eat ice cream

:cool:

No, try again....... :lol:

[Ele'ill]

http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/stopinthenameofsunglassesp1.gif

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/excessive-force-shocking-video-of-az-police-officer-tackling-young-girl/

[Skooma Addict]

I can think of something far more enjoyable and romantic to do than pull ups, great exercise and good for your back.......;)

Easy there Berlusconi.

[RGacky3]

This is an inflammatory 'hey bro' joke post

If only accents could by typed.


I can think of something far more enjoyable and romantic to do than pull ups, great exercise and good for your back.......;)

pull ups with a loved one?

[Ele'ill]

If only accents could by typed.

What?

[Revolution starts with U]

Reading the comments to that cop video makes me sick. People give the police/military free reign that they would never give to themselves or civilians. If that girl assaulted me or someone with me, and I did that to her, it would be a god damned witch hunt.

[Ele'ill]

Reading the comments to that cop video makes me sick. People give the police/military free reign that they would never give to themselves or civilians. If that girl assaulted me or someone with me, and I did that to her, it would be a god damned witch hunt.

And if I did that to a cop engaging in assault I would get shot and charged with felonies.