So they're saying Bin Laden is dead

[Thug Lessons]

RIP World Hide and Seek Champion

[The Man]

Yeah, I'm pretty shocked about this.. I'm waiting for the Obama Announcement..

[Lt. Ferret]

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[Revolution starts with U]

I listen to a lot of right wing talk radio because my job involves a lot of driving and, let's face it, NPR gets boring after a while (and it's the only radio even moderately non right wing). It should be interesting how they try to spin it.
There's some well paid spinsters sitting in smoky rooms goin "fuck! Fuck! How do we spin this?!" :lol:

[Lt. Ferret]

in houston we had Pacifica but i can never find it in other cities.

[Princess Luna]

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[Octavian]

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/alqaeda-threatens-nuclear-hellstorm-if-osama-is-caught-or-killed/780992/
If this is true then Euro-buddies better watch their shit.

[Lt. Ferret]

Im all hopped up on jingoism.

[Revolution starts with U]

HAHA> I knew it! Obama is telling the world he caught Osama with his bare hands!
It's all about spin. Ladies and genetlemen.... this is your generations Vercingetorix.

[Lt. Ferret]

i do enjoy a good bread while i watch my circus.

[Drosophila]

Doesn't make a difference.

[#FF0000]

1,000,000,000,000+ spent, 1.5 million dead, but, uh, we got him I guess.

Somehow I can't understand why people think it's worth it.

[Skooma Addict]

Yea I wonder how much of an effect this will actually have.

[Ele'ill]

And now the part where it doesn't matter at all and the US stays put

[Revolution starts with U]

But guys... we got the bad guy! Now the recession will end, and democrats and republicans will have large group hugs in the streets. Oh what a glorious day our benevolent leader has brought for us! :tt1:

[Le Libérer]

‎1̶.̶---Bin Laden---- 2. Waldo 3. Carmen Sandiego

[Agent Ducky]

And it was a firefight, not a drone strike. Quote, "He was shot in the head at least once."

so.... someone has to say this....

Boom! HEADSHOT!

[Le Libérer]

But guys... we got the bad guy! Now the recession will end, and democrats and republicans will have large group hugs in the streets. Oh what a glorious day our benevolent leader has brought for us! :tt1:

Stocks rise after Bin Laden announced dead. (http://ibnlive.in.com/news/stocks-rise-after-bin-laden-report-oil-slides/150972-7.html)

[Drosophila]

It actually was not a drone strike. President Obama just said that it was a
person-led attack (JOSAC, I think).

I'm watching some idiot on CBS saying that "God made the judgment that Osama should
be killed and God will throw him in hell". So many militaristic assholes also on this network.

[The Man]

"Shoot me, Coward, Your only just going to kill a man."
-Che Guevara's Last words

[Revolution starts with U]

1000s have gathered outside the white house chanting USA and singing God Bless America

[Drosophila]

"Shoot me, Coward, Your only just going to kill a man."
-Che Guevara's Last words



It's funny because they're both terrorists.

[The Man]

It's funny because they're both terrorists.

Yup, Che was such a terrorist fighting for the liberation of humanity :rolleyes:

[Lt. Ferret]

whatever, america fucking rules, special forces baby.

[Agent Ducky]

"Shoot me, Coward, Your only just going to kill a man."
-Che Guevara's Last words


What would Osama's last words be? hmmmmmm.... Maybe Che's alternative cappie-propaganda last words? "Don't shoot me, I'm worth more to you alive than dead?" .... maybe something really stupid liek "OH SHIT"....

Any ideas?

[#FF0000]

It's funny because they're both terrorists.

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/3954/alicelookatdat.jpg


(thanks mari3l)

[#FF0000]

What would Osama's last words be? hmmmmmm.... Maybe Che's alternative cappie-propaganda last words? "Don't shoot me, I'm worth more to you alive than dead?" .... maybe something really stupid liek "OH SHIT"....

Any ideas?

"Worth it!"

[Dumb]

What would Osama's last words be? hmmmmmm.... Maybe Che's alternative cappie-propaganda last words? "Don't shoot me, I'm worth more to you alive than dead?" .... maybe something really stupid liek "OH SHIT"....

Any ideas?

"Ha, you missed me! Ha, you missed me again! Ha ha! You m-"

[Agent Ducky]

"You guys finally found me? 'BOUT TIME!"

[#FF0000]

"You guys fucking suck at this"

[B5C]

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/456/toobusykillingosama.jpg

[Princess Luna]

Seven a.m., waking up in the morning
Gotta be fresh, gotta go downstairs
Gotta have my bowl, gotta have cer....OH FUCK!!!!
.

[La Comédie Noire]

"We had a deal!"

[RGacky3]

I'm watching some idiot on CBS saying that "God made the judgment that Osama should
be killed and God will throw him in hell". So many militaristic assholes also on this network.

I guess he also made the judgement that the 911 victims should also be killed, man what a jerkoff that CBS guy is.

[RGacky3]

whatever, america fucking rules, special forces baby.


yeah, managed to kill an old man with kidney failure with an organization comprised of 50 loonies after ... 10 years.

[ComradeMan]

The US are just fed up because the British Royal Wedding stole the limelight, I bet OBL watched it too, so they need a publicity coup.

From a military point of view it would have been better to capture him. Beware the thrashing arms and legs of a giant beheaded.

At the same time, as far as OBL- well- those who live by the sword will perish by it.

Comparing OBL to El Che is just ridiculous and in poor taste.

[dernier combat]

"Shoot me, Coward, Your only just going to kill a man."
-Che Guevara's Last words


How does this relate to Osama?

[PhoenixAsh]

well...it took you long enough. Worlds most powerfull nation vs 1 man. The cure has definatley been worse than the disease.

Hundreds of thousands of death innocent Afghans later the patient (named freedom) has surely died.

So they got Obama....now all we need is Bush and Obama and we really have made a slight dent in world "terorrism"

[El Chuncho]

He has probably been dead for years. His videos were probably fake, anyway, as the ''Bin Laden'' in many of them didn't quite look like the same person. :rolleyes: I also like how there is actually no real evidence that the army did kill him as of yet. There are no photographs (rare, I mean look at the photographs they took of all the other high-up Iraqi and Afghanistan officials they killed), he was killed by people answering only to Obama, apparently, and his body was just buried at sea. I smell bullshit.

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[tracher999]

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/alqaeda-threatens-nuclear-hellstorm-if-osama-is-caught-or-killed/780992/
If this is true then Euro-buddies better watch their shit.

fuck i live in belgium i gonna move out i think:D

[El Chuncho]

What would Osama's last words be? hmmmmmm.... Maybe Che's alternative cappie-propaganda last words? "Don't shoot me, I'm worth more to you alive than dead?" .... maybe something really stupid liek "OH SHIT"....

Any ideas?

''I can't die like this...tell them I said something.''

[Jimmie Higgins]

1000s have gathered outside the white house chanting USA and singing God Bless AmericaLess V-J Day and more like a 4th of July Frat party. They're just a bunch of students from Georgetown - probably organized by the White House too - there were some conspicuous Obama 2008 campaign signs in the news coverage. I guess the signs could be sincere - embattled moderate Dems at college happy that "their guy" can take credit for something the right-wing won't complain about.

Whateverz. Even George Bush said Bin Laden is irrelevant - and that was back in 2004 or 5. I mean Bin Laden..? It's like retro-night on the TV news or something.

[Kotze]

*changes startup page from this (http://isosamabinladendead.com/) to this (http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk/)*

[Le Libérer]

[QUOTE=El Chuncho;2098348]He has probably been dead for years. His videos were probably fake, anyway, as the ''Bin Laden'' in many of them didn't quite look like the same person. :rolleyes: I also like how there is actually no real evidence that the army did kill him as of yet. There are no photographs (rare, I mean look at the photographs they took of all the other high-up Iraqi and Afghanistan officials they killed), he was killed by people answering only to Obama, apparently, and his body was just buried at sea. I smell bullshit.



Best article (http://salem-news.com/articles/may012011/bin-laden-tk.php) Ive found on the myth of Bin Laden

[Robespierre Richard]

[QUOTE=El Chuncho;2098348]He has probably been dead for years. His videos were probably fake, anyway, as the ''Bin Laden'' in many of them didn't quite look like the same person. :rolleyes: I also like how there is actually no real evidence that the army did kill him as of yet. There are no photographs (rare, I mean look at the photographs they took of all the other high-up Iraqi and Afghanistan officials they killed), he was killed by people answering only to Obama, apparently, and his body was just buried at sea. I smell bullshit.



Best article (http://salem-news.com/articles/may012011/bin-laden-tk.php) Ive found on the myth of Bin Laden

Well if he isn't dead, they should have no problem fabricating more Osama videos right?

[graffic]

I like the way the Americans are jubilantly celebrating outside the white house as if
a) its good to jubilantly celebrate the death of another human being
b) It actually changes anything
c) The war on terror is far from over

Its fantastic that he's dead but kind of hard for Americans now to claim moral high ground (as they do) when Muslims celebrate when Americans are killed

[danyboy27]

Less V-J Day and more like a 4th of July Frat party. They're just a bunch of students from Georgetown - probably organized by the White House too - there were some conspicuous Obama 2008 campaign signs in the news coverage. I guess the signs could be sincere - embattled moderate Dems at college happy that "their guy" can take credit for something the right-wing won't complain about.

Whateverz. Even George Bush said Bin Laden is irrelevant - and that was back in 2004 or 5. I mean Bin Laden..? It's like retro-night on the TV news or something.


i saw many dont thread on me posters has well...

[Jazzratt]

Ah well, that's good. Now we've killed him that means we've won the war on Terror, right? At any moment Terror is going to contact Obama and negotiate surrender, right?

[Princess Luna]

I like the way the Americans are jubilantly celebrating outside the white house as if
a) its good to jubilantly celebrate the death of another human being
b) It actually changes anything
c) The war on terror is far from over

Its fantastic that he's dead but kind of hard for Americans now to claim moral high ground (as they do) when Muslims celebrate when Americans are killed
Well to be fair, there is pretty long list of people (David Duke, William Calley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Calley) and this piss stain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_of_Saudi_Arabia) to name a few ) who i would open a champagne bottle at news of their death and i think a lot of people would agree with me.

[hatzel]

I can't fucking believe they cancelled today's You've been framed for some special extended news thing about this bullhonk. Get your priorities straight, ITV, I wanna laugh at people falling over :cursing:

[Rooster]

At least this gets the fucking royal wedding off the television.

[∞]

Good night, sweet prince.

[Nicolai]

As previously stated, this doesn't change ANYTHING. The occupation is still going to proceed, U.S is still going to heave in money from this and the Arabic people is still going to have to resist, while trying to not getting their asses raped by the U.S Military.

All in all: :crying:

[RedSunRising]

Does anyone here actually big him up? Someone told me that the CPGB-ML welcomed the 9/11 attack as a great blow against Imperialism.

[The Man]

How does this relate to Osama?

I'm relating that quote to Osama, due to the fact that no matter if we kill him or not, nothing is going to change.

[tachosomoza]

They probably fucked that corpse up before tossing it in the sea. In 2085, some Navy SEAL's grandson is gonna be going through his grandpa's stuff and find a preserved human finger and be like "WTF?" :lol:

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I was kinda surprised that they managed to find him (It's been what, ten years now?) but aside from that soupcon of astonishment I didn't really feel much.

The idea that he was some kind of anti-imperialist hero is just as fucking kooky as believing him to be some kind of beturbaned Bond-esque global terrorist mastermind.

[Agnapostate]

http://i51.tinypic.com/15p3nme.jpg

[Drosophila]

I was kinda surprised that they managed to find him (It's been what, ten years now?) but aside from that soupcon of astonishment I didn't really feel much.

The idea that he was some kind of anti-imperialist hero is just as fucking kooky as believing him to be some kind of beturbaned Bond-esque global terrorist mastermind.

I agree. Bin Laden and Al Qaeda/radical Islam are certainly not even close to leftist ideology. Sharia Law is fascism at best.

[Havet]

"there is enough treachery, hatred violence absurdity in the average
human being to supply any given army on any given day
there is genius in their hatred
there is enough genius in their hatred to kill you
to kill anybody" - Charles Bukowski

[Magón]

There goes my 25 Million chance. :(

[mikelepore]

in houston we had Pacifica but i can never find it in other cities.

In case anyone didn't know -- if you download the free itunes program and click on "radio stations", you can listen to several Pacifica stations on your computer.

[Agnapostate]

I wonder when Donald Trump and Co. will start demanding his death certificate as proof.

[Drosophila]

Bin Laden confirmed to be alive and surfing the secret website of a far-left terrorist organization, calling themselves "anonymous":

http://images.4chan.org/ck/src/1304379332976.jpg

[Le Libérer]

I wonder when Donald Trump and Co. will start demanding his death certificate as proof.

http://cdn.raywj.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/tumblr_lkkx2gWkge1qi5teho1_500.jpg

[Jazzratt]

Bin Laden confirmed to be alive and surfing the secret website of a far-left terrorist organization, calling themselves "anonymous":

http://images.4chan.org/ck/src/1304379332976.jpg Lol n00b, hotlinking to 4chan.

[Che a chara]

Apparently the info first came from the waterboarding of Al-qaeda's Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in Gitmo, which led US intelligence to a courier in Pakistan.

Good to see him gone. it's a definite symbolic and moral blow for Islamic fundamentalism, but I think we can expect an escalation in more indiscriminate attacks on civilians around the globe in retaliation.

Something smells fishy though about Pakistan's knowledge or lack of in regards to Bin Laden's whereabouts in the country.

[Sasha]

http://cdn.raywj.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/tumblr_lkkx2gWkge1qi5teho1_500.jpg


thought this one was better:

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/5/2/5423bf47-f166-48ec-bba4-29ec1f4f23d4.jpg

[Jazzratt]

Apparently the info first came from the waterboarding of Al-qaeda's Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in Gitmo, which led US intelligence to a courier in Pakistan. Oh christ. I hope that's not the case, if it is there will be a veritable flood of empty-headed knuckle draggers with fewer braincells than teeth and fewer teeth than fingers feeling unnecessarily vindicated. I can just hear it now: Some fat prick with a "US #1" hat giving it the "DUH HUH TORCHORIN RAGHEDZ IZ RITE CUZ WE FOUND OSAMA!" shit.

[∞]

Does anyone here actually big him up? Someone told me that the CPGB-ML welcomed the 9/11 attack as a great blow against Imperialism.

What a disgusting group of people.

[Drosophila]

What a disgusting group of people.

Indeed. Bin Laden was the complete opposite of a leftist.


Apparently the info first came from the waterboarding of Al-qaeda's Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in Gitmo, which led US intelligence to a courier in Pakistan. I don't think they said anything about water-boarding. They just said it was from Gitmo, so there's a small chance that it actually was achieved justly.
(And I doubt that anyone would tell the truth during waterboarding).

Oh well, Batman killed Joker, long story short.

[Bardo]

Indeed. Bin Laden was the complete opposite of a leftist.


Does it matter?

[Richard Nixon]

Does it matter?

Yes because OBL represents something even more backward (in leftist terms) than capitalism.

[RGacky3]

BTW, this assasination, absolutely braking all types of international laws and national sovereignty.

[Viet Minh]

So, is it too soon for conspiracy theories? I think he was dead all along personally, or living the high life under CIA protection, a mere puppet of US Imperialism. Anyone fancy some deep-sea diving? Oh fuu a sni-

[Lt. Ferret]

pakistan and their military can go kick rocks on this one.

[Viet Minh]

pakistan and their military can go kick rocks on this one.

Do you really think Pakistan would hide Bin Laden, and risk the wrath of the US? Whilst at the same time fighting a bloody civil war against the Taleban?

[Lt. Ferret]

when the worlds most wanted terrorist, which pakistan has been claiming to hunt as well, is hiding out in a mansion up the road from pakistan's version of West Point, then yeah,


Lucy, you got some 'splaining to do.

http://flipkicklisten.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/lucy-and-ricky-300x199.jpg

[Viet Minh]

when the worlds most wanted terrorist, which pakistan has been claiming to hunt as well, is hiding out in a mansion up the road from pakistan's version of West Point, then yeah,


Lucy, you got some 'splaining to do.

http://flipkicklisten.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/lucy-and-ricky-300x199.jpg

I don't know much about the region, but wasn't he in hiding? Its possible he came in without being seen, maybe years ago, and never left his hiding place since. According to the reports there were other people there too so its not like he had to leave anytime.

[#FF0000]

Yes because OBL represents something even more backward (in leftist terms) than capitalism.

Nah. He's just represents another wing of it.

[#FF0000]

I don't know much about the region, but wasn't he in hiding? Its possible he came in without being seen, maybe years ago, and never left his hiding place since. According to the reports there were other people there too so its not like he had to leave anytime.

Ehhhhhhh... it's Pakistan though.

[Viet Minh]

Ehhhhhhh... it's Pakistan though.

I don't get it sorry.. :confused: There are criminals on the run in the USA, which has possibly the highest level of state policing (cctv, identification technology, news coverage etc) doesn't mean they are actually harbouring criminals as such..

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Helluva mission. Good to be back in san diego though.

just kidding. obviously.

[danyboy27]

I don't get it sorry.. :confused: There are criminals on the run in the USA, which has possibly the highest level of state policing (cctv, identification technology, news coverage etc) doesn't mean they are actually harbouring criminals as such..

Its Pakistan man, this country is corrupted to the bone.

there are just so many reason why he was able to Hide, maybe its something the pakistani secret services did beccause he was useful, maybe bin laden was able to bribe a general, Maybe he was indeed able to sneak out and live in the compound under the noose of the pakistani secret services all along.

has far has Pakistan goes, i woulnd be surprised if there would be a compound with Elvis, JFK, hitler clone and other celibrities hidden in it somewhere.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

On the one hand, the US's unilateral action violated the sovereignty of a foreign nation with unlawful unilatral action. On the other, US officials faced reality and determined not to risk another get away.

[RGacky3]

Do you really think Pakistan would hide Bin Laden, and risk the wrath of the US? Whilst at the same time fighting a bloody civil war against the Taleban?

Not the civilian government but the Pakistani military and intelligence was helping Al Quaida for a while.

[Che a chara]

Bin's last Facebook entry:

http://highena.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/bin-laden-fb-status.jpg

[HEAD ICE]

I see an OI'er gave their thoughts on bin Laden recently
http://worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhUDd4vyvB4QCh7d2R

[Drosophila]

I hate how the media is still talking about this as if it actually mattered. Bin Laden was nothing more than a retired money man for al-Qaeda. His goal in conspiring to attack NYC and the Pentagon was simply to destroy the US economy and drive them to the point where it defaults on its massive debt. He WON. Get over it. Time to start anew.

[Lt. Ferret]

he didn't win anything.

[Richard Nixon]

BTW, this assasination, absolutely braking all types of international laws and national sovereignty.

Well the non-Islamists in Pakistan don't seem to particularly unhappy about it and in fact are trying to claim credit. Plus assassination is better than bombing raids which can result in civilian casualties.

At any rate this is little different than what happened to Eichmann who posed less of a direct threat than did Bin Laden.

[alegab]

This sucks,
"was he" (if we suppose/pretend he was killed these days) shot, the house was raided, did he shoot back? I've heard all this by the American Govt and the press.
And this just re-vitalized the up-to-now weak Al Qa'ida and the US took measures to make the great near east and the US safer, and I guess we all know what that means (more of the old American army around the world and the PATRIOT act not being repealed for a longer time)
And why would he be in a mansion 10km away from Islamabad, that's wierd, isn't it? and no one ever noticed a saudi-arabian guy was there?

[Drosophila]

he didn't win anything.

Sure he did. Bin Laden even said himself that the idea behind the 9.11
attacks was to raise the American debt, hopefully resulting in their economy
crumbling. There's a $14 trillion debt right now, and it has been growing ever since Bin Laden
first ordered the bombing of the WTC. With $5 a gallon gas, extreme inflation, and a growing debt, I'd say that Bin Laden had his "mission accomplished" moment long ago.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

At any rate this is little different than what happened to Eichmann who posed less of a direct threat than did Bin Laden.

I haven't heard that comparison, though it does make some sense.


Sure he did. Bin Laden even said himself that the idea behind the 9.11 attacks was to raise the American debt, hopefully resulting in their economy crumbling. There's a $14 trillion debt right now, and it has been growing ever since Bin Laden first ordered the bombing of the WTC. With $5 a gallon gas, extreme inflation, and a growing debt, I'd say that Bin Laden had his "mission accomplished" moment long ago.


But why did bin laden want these things? To remove US backed dictatorships in the region with sunni Islamic states. And in this regard his organization, despite massive funding from abroad, completely and utterly failed. His ideology of terrorism to achieve political gain is dead to anyone who sees the secular revolutions occuring today, who's principle actors are not hiding in mansions far from the front but are instead on the street.

Secondly, accrediting bin laden with a debt that's been growing for decades, gas prices that have spiked due to what appear to be secular revolutionaries, and "extreme" inflation (about extreme inflation, wouldnt have anything to do with extremely low interest rates in place to increase borrowing and prevent any more deflation would it?) is a bit ridiculous. 2011 is seeing a changing era in the arab world, bin ladens death will hopefully be the epitaph of the terrorist jihad-era of resistance, a resistance that has completely failed to help the people of the region in any meaningful way whatsoever.

Your argument reminds me of one saying the US invasion of Iraq showed arabs democracy could work for them, from a different prespective. Thank W for mubarak falling I guess.

[RGacky3]

At any rate this is little different than what happened to Eichmann who posed less of a direct threat than did Bin Laden.

No he was put on trial, and captured in a war, in Germany, the country they were at war with. There is a HUGE legal difference.


Plus assassination is better than bombing raids which can result in civilian casualties.


Both would be illigal, what would be legal would be if he was arrested by pakistan, extradited to the US, and put on civilian trial, or put on trial in pakistan.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

No he was put on trial, and captured in a war, in Germany, the country they were at war with. There is a HUGE legal difference.

No, he was hunted down by the Mossad (CIA) and found in Argentina (Pakistan), a country that had nothing to do with WWII (9/11), except serve as a refuge for the Nazis (al Qaeda). Secondly he was put on a show trial that was, for all intents and purposes, a piece of Israeli propoganda.

[RGacky3]

Ooops, my bad.

But either way, both were illigal.

Imagen if Iraqi (or dutch or whatever) authorities kidnapped George bush and put him on trial, or just shot him, legally, the exact same thing.

[∞]

Ooops, my bad.

But either way, both were illigal.

Imagen if Iraqi (or dutch or whatever) authorities kidnapped George bush and put him on trial, or just shot him, legally, the exact same thing.

Hallelujah!....Hallelujah!

[ComradeMan]

VAE VICTIS!

Harsh but true....

OBL could have dedicated his life to helping the poor, campaigning for human rights and relieving the suffering of "his people" at the hands of "imperialism"- but he didn't- he and his organisation murdered innocent civilians. Like I said before, live by the sword die by the sword. Anyway, from his point of view he'll now be a martyr with a guaranteed place in paradise. ;)

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Ooops, my bad.

But either way, both were illigal.

Imagen if Iraqi (or dutch or whatever) authorities kidnapped George bush and put him on trial, or just shot him, legally, the exact same thing.

True, there definitely is a level of hypocrisy.

[Drosophila]

VAE VICTIS!

Harsh but true....

OBL could have dedicated his life to helping the poor, campaigning for human rights and relieving the suffering of "his people" at the hands of "imperialism"- but he didn't- he and his organisation murdered innocent civilians. Like I said before, live by the sword die by the sword. Anyway, from his point of view he'll now be a martyr with a guaranteed place in paradise. ;)

I agree. If it weren't for his batshit insane religious views and violent mindset, bin Laden may have been a renowned adversary
to U.S. imperialism, almost like a modern Gandhi.

http://raycastle.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341cfb9553ef0133f3d8ce59970b-800wi

[Tim Finnegan]

I agree. If it weren't for his batshit insane religious views and violent mindset, bin Laden may have been a renowned adversary
to U.S. imperialism, almost like a modern Gandhi.
But if you took away Bin Laden's militant fanaticism, you'd just have another unexceptional Saudi bourgeoisie. There's no reason to assume that he'd have been some great left-populist guerilla.

[#FF0000]

But if you took away Bin Laden's militant fanaticism, you'd just have another unexceptional Saudi bourgeoisie. There's no reason to assume that he'd have been some great left-populist guerilla.

Well, that doesn't mean he wouldn't get a whole lot of "critical support" from anti-imperialists in the west.

[Drosophila]

But if you took away Bin Laden's militant fanaticism, you'd just have another unexceptional Saudi bourgeoisie. There's no reason to assume that he'd have been some great left-populist guerilla.

Have you seen any of bin Laden's writings? All of them contain the kind of
stuff I'd see on this website, sans the religious fanaticism.

[RGacky3]

If you look at his priorities, and the way he does things, its clear that stuff is just talk to get support. EVERYONE trying to get popular support uses leftist rhetoric, hell, thats why a punch of right wing parties in europe are called peoples parties or popular party or whatever.

[Tim Finnegan]

Have you seen any of bin Laden's writings? All of them contain the kind of
stuff I'd see on this website, sans the religious fanaticism.
That reflects the tendency of militant Islamism to borrow from left-wing anti-imperialism, rather than any leftwards tendencies on the parts of its adherents. Until the 1980s, socialism, either in its Soviet or Arab forms, was the leading ideology of anti-imperialism in the Middle East, so it makes sense that a movement seeking to take advantage of popular anti-imperialist sentiments for its own ends would appropriate such rhetoric.

[agnixie]

If you look at his priorities, and the way he does things, its clear that stuff is just talk to get support. EVERYONE trying to get popular support uses leftist rhetoric, hell, thats why a punch of right wing parties in europe are called peoples parties or popular party or whatever.


That reflects the tendency of militant Islamism to borrow from left-wing anti-imperialism, rather than any leftwards tendencies on the parts of its adherents. Until the 1980s, socialism, either in its Soviet or Arab forms, was the leading ideology of anti-imperialism in the Middle East, so it makes sense that a movement seeking to take advantage of popular anti-imperialist sentiments for its own ends would appropriate such rhetoric.

Ain't that the sad truth. We don't even have to worry about right wing entryism, they just take the ideas to hide their own.

[Drosophila]

If you look at his priorities, and the way he does things, its clear that stuff is just talk to get support. EVERYONE trying to get popular support uses leftist rhetoric, hell, thats why a punch of right wing parties in europe are called peoples parties or popular party or whatever.


That reflects the tendency of militant Islamism to borrow from left-wing anti-imperialism, rather than any leftwards tendencies on the parts of its adherents. Until the 1980s, socialism, either in its Soviet or Arab forms, was the leading ideology of anti-imperialism in the Middle East, so it makes sense that a movement seeking to take advantage of popular anti-imperialist sentiments for its own ends would appropriate such rhetoric.

Probably true. The kind of Radical Islam that al-Qaeda would enact would be fascist at best. This tactic has been used throughout history, with things like the Khmer Rouge, China, and Stalinist Russia.

[Viet Minh]

Titles mean dick. If you hadn't heard of the 'National Socialist German Workers Party' you'd probably think they were radical dude. And according to the new definition of radical they were! :D

[ComradeMan]

Well, that doesn't mean he wouldn't get a whole lot of "critical support" from anti-imperialists in the west.

And they would be rather stupid in doing that.

"To restore Islam, he said a vanguard movement of righteous Muslims was needed to establish "true Islamic states", implement sharia, and rid the Muslim world of any non-Muslim influences, such as concepts like socialism and nationalism. Enemies of Islam in Qutb's view included "treacherous Orientalists"[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Quaeda#cite_note-48) and "world Jewry", who plotted "conspiracies" and "wicked[ly]" opposed Islam."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Quaeda#Ideology

1) Qutb, Sayyid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb) (2003). Milestones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%27alim_fi_al-Tariq). Chicago: Kazi Publications. ISBN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number) 0911119426 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0911119426). Qutb 2003 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Quaeda#CITEREFQutb2003), pp. 63, 69.

[PhoenixAsh]

http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2114128&postcount=477

[BeerShaman]

Did he even exist?

[pastradamus]

Did he even exist?
Yes