Smaller groups in a particular anarchist society?

[Lanky Wanker]

what would stop (for example) a group of capitalists building up some kind of group and causing trouble? surely this would pose a huge risk to the struggle that the anarchists of that society had gone to to overthrow capitalism in the first place? I actually read someone's ideal anarchist (anarcho-communist I think) society and how it would work, and he said that there would be small groups of buildings that would work under different ideologies. so for example, a few buildings next to each other would work in an anarcho-collectivist way, some would work in an anarcho-capitalist way and others would follow different ideologies. what would stop a bunch of capitalists or fascists from building up some kind of re-revolution movement and fucking up the anarchist society?

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

well the idea is that people achieve power over their social and economic conditions collectively. if there was no minority that had any power over other individuals, how would they re-establish a class system? what would be the point or even the means to trying to win control over other people in this kind of society? this is communism, stateless and classless, why would people who share power let a minority take control, and if a minority did try, would not the community stop them by any means in order to preserve communism and liberty?

your definition of anarchist communism is wrong also so do more reading. read kropotkin's mutual.

[Desperado]

This question is the same as asking what stops fascists taking power in today's society, or why the capitalists are still around exploiting us. The workers winning the class struggle is what stops it, and the class struggle having been won is an anarchist society.

The class struggle can't be won (nor the final society defended) by some abstract entity or independent, classless institution placed into the historical circumstances from our imaginations - for there they exist only, in our own heads. Should it be won it is by the products of historical circumstance; the revolutionary proletariat.

[Lanky Wanker]

I understand, but I think the government would much rather lean towards right wing than left wing in terms of maintaining the hierarchy bullshit. also freedom of speech shouldn't really include fascists/nazis because as aus-rotten said; "don't give them freedom 'cause they're not gonna give you yours" if you get what I mean. wouldn't there be some kind of anti-nazi or anti-right wing "law" in an anarchist/communist society to stop the scumbags from spreading their influence?

[bcbm]

what would stop a bunch of capitalists or fascists from building up some kind of re-revolution movement and fucking up the anarchist society?

nobody would want to go back to that kind of miserable shit

[Magón]

what would stop (for example) a group of capitalists building up some kind of group and causing trouble? surely this would pose a huge risk to the struggle that the anarchists of that society had gone to to overthrow capitalism in the first place? I actually read someone's ideal anarchist (anarcho-communist I think) society and how it would work, and he said that there would be small groups of buildings that would work under different ideologies. so for example, a few buildings next to each other would work in an anarcho-collectivist way, some would work in an anarcho-capitalist way and others would follow different ideologies. what would stop a bunch of capitalists or fascists from building up some kind of re-revolution movement and fucking up the anarchist society?

Anarcho-Capitalism? What's that?


An oxymoron is what that is.


As for the rest of your question: Who the hell would want to go back to their old ways of being repressed and exploited, after achieving a world/society where one is free to do and think as they will, as long as it doesn't intrude on someone else's rights and ability to do what they want. Fascism and Capitalism breed like jack rabbits in societies where they're free to do what they want, but in a society where they've just been deposed and beat to hell, the likelihood of someone saying, "Hey, let's do that again," is slim.



I understand, but I think the government would much rather lean towards right wing than left wing in terms of maintaining the hierarchy bullshit. also freedom of speech shouldn't really include fascists/nazis because as aus-rotten said; "don't give them freedom 'cause they're not gonna give you yours" if you get what I mean. wouldn't there be some kind of anti-nazi or anti-right wing "law" in an anarchist/communist society to stop the scumbags from spreading their influence?

What could possibly make Anarchists lean towards right wing political pressure tactics? Sure we wouldn't want Fascists or Capitalists growing anymore than they have nowadays, but obviously the liberated and freed people across the world, wouldn't let themselves be suckered into believing once again, the same rhetoric and bullshit, they've been being fed for the past hundreds of years.

The whole point of Anarchism is to break away from the old system of things, and create a free and equal space for all humans to live in. Regression is not on any list of an Anarchist.

[dernier combat]

what would stop a bunch of capitalists or fascists from building up some kind of re-revolution movement and fucking up the anarchist society?
Due to the structural limitations inherent in a socialist/communist society (i.e. little to no social power hierarchy within government or the economy), a capitalist saboteur cannot simply infiltrate the upper ranks of society and reorganize production to reintroduce private property and classes by way of allocating property rights, managers, etc. This argument that communist society would be weak and easy to take control of is commonly used by some Marxist-Leninists (albeit as an argument against anarchism, but "anarchist society" is the same as any other communist society, which is something that the MLs who do use this argument are too stupid to comprehend), but is more or less the same stupid bullshit thrown around by capitalists.

Therefore, we are left with two possible scenarios. The first is that the small group of reactionaries somehow convince the much larger majority of society embracing communism that wage slavery, exploitation, state repression, plutocracy and division along ethnic and sexual lines is the way to go and the workers then voluntarily submit themselves to their new masters (which have nothing to offer) and give them control of their workplaces which the capitalists then exercise either directly or through a managerial bureaucracy (as in a large company).

The second is that an external (not necessarily foreign, a large pro-capitalist paramilitary could build up over years within a socialist/communist society, but I would have no idea where they get their recruits from or why the recruits joined) imperialist force invades and occupies on the orders from the bourgeoisie (or mere prospective businessmen if they happen to be no longer propertied as a result of a working class revolution), which then exercise control over production (and in turn, government) in the same process described at the end of the previous paragraph, except that it's done forcibly. This is, to put it at its most basic, what happened in Spain. Of course, if it's an outside (and thus, likely significantly stronger force) that force that does all this, then the situation described can only occur before global communism...

Unless you believe in imperialist aliens.

[Lanky Wanker]

your definition of anarchist communism is wrong also so do more reading. read kropotkin's mutual.

that wasn't my definition of it, that was the person who wrote the article's ideal society. I'm just pretty sure I remember him saying he was an anarcho communist, so obviously this is his sort of personal branch off of anarcho communism. whether it fits in with the main idea of it or not, I don't know. sorry if it sounded like that but I wasn't trying to define anarcho communism.

[Lanky Wanker]

What could possibly make Anarchists lean towards right wing political pressure tactics?

you mean the hierarchy thing I said? I meant in terms of the capitalist government we have now. but obviously anarchists wouldn't lean towards the right wing, it would make no sense.

[Thirsty Crow]

I actually read someone's ideal anarchist (anarcho-communist I think) society and how it would work, and he said that there would be small groups of buildings that would work under different ideologies. so for example, a few buildings next to each other would work in an anarcho-collectivist way, some would work in an anarcho-capitalist way and others would follow different ideologies.
Whoever spoke/wrote of that is a moron, quite frankly.
The conditions of socialized production, mass consumption, communicative and productive integration simply do not allow this kind of social organization to take place.


that wasn't my definition of it, that was the person who wrote the article's ideal society. I'm just pretty sure I remember him saying he was an anarcho communist, so obviously this is his sort of personal branch off of anarcho communism. whether it fits in with the main idea of it or not, I don't know. sorry if it sounded like that but I wasn't trying to define anarcho communism.
This is his personal branch of nonsense.


what would stop a bunch of capitalists or fascists from building up some kind of re-revolution movement and fucking up the anarchist society? Organized and armed workers (in the immediate period of transition; do note that I do not think it would be necessary to establish a transitional society with its specific economic, political and social tendencies and forms, these forms being different from capitalist and communist ones).

[Magón]

you mean the hierarchy thing I said? I meant in terms of the capitalist government we have now. but obviously anarchists wouldn't lean towards the right wing, it would make no sense.

Alright, I guess it was just the wording, and undefined side of what government you were talking about, that threw me.

[Lanky Wanker]

Organized and armed workers

that was the kind of answer I was looking for lol so basically most people's idea of the anarchist alternative to the army/police, right? and as for the guy's idea/ideology, I was thinking myself it sounded pretty stupid. but basically the idea of my question was if a group of right wingers started some kind of rebel group/organisation.