Killing

[Dark Capitalist]

Do any of you have the capacity to kill another human being in order to satisfy your own political beliefs?


Yes/No

[Vinny Rafarino]

No one knows whether they have the capacity to kill another human being unless they already have. Prior to that it's meaningless speculation.

[Dark Capitalist]

Would you kill for "the Revolution" COMRADE RAF?

[Loknar]

Please, RAF you'd shoot any white bastard you find.

[Guest1]

no, just you and DC

[Vinny Rafarino]

The revolution calls for many people to do many different things.

[Guest1]

so when it comes to Loknar and DC, you kill 'em, I piss on 'em.

[CubanFox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 08:18 AM
Please, RAF you'd shoot any white bastard you find.
Well, looks like he's going to have to shoot himself.
Damn.

[shakermaker]

back to the topic
like COMRADE RAF said I don't know 'cos I haven't done it...yet

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 28 2003, 09:28 AM
so when it comes to Loknar and DC, you kill 'em, I piss on 'em.
Agreed comrade. These two clowns make the list you dig?

[Ian]

I don't know if I could, maybe if I were in Iraq I would be toting an RPG or a Kalashnikov shooting imperialists, but not here (Australia), it is really, as was said earlier, meaningless speculation, so I have no idea.

[Funky Monk]

This is actually a good question. It would really depend on the circumstances for me. I dont believe i could kill someone i deem a good person in cold blood.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 28 2003, 08:34 AM
no, just you and DC
Yes, DF lives another day :P

You only know if you are able to shoot one if you already did, like you guys said before and I haven't killed anyone yet, since I don't want to sit my life in jail ;)

[Sasafrás]

Well, I am not ever for killing, being a very pacifistic person. :: everyone jumps on me :: I just don't believe in doing such things.

But, you do what you gotta do.

For me, though, I just couldn't...

~ Sassy
Damn, I feel sick... :(

[Funky Monk]

Does this include a combat situation?


Because i think you'd develop a mentallity to kill in that envirnonment where hesitation can cost you.

Or are we talking assassination styley?

[shakermaker]

Originally posted by Funky [email protected] 28 2003, 12:41 PM
Does this include a combat situation?

it may be more easy to kill in war 'cos it's you or he who dies...

[Hate Is Art]

i dont think i could ever kill an innocent or in cold blood, i dont think i could commit an act of terrorism to further the revolution either.

[Rastafari]

1.)this topic is a trap
2.)no

[Dhul Fiqar]

1. It sure is.

2. Yup. :ph34r:

[Soul Rebel]

I dont know if i could. For one, im really not into violence, ya know? I cant even eat meat because i think its violent and cruel, so i cant imagine killing a person. But then again, i have never been in a situation that required me killing someone. You cant say until you are in that situation. Your mind works differently when you are actually experiencing a situation that may require it, so to say that you would or wouldnt is really pointless. You may change your mind when the moment comes.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Funky [email protected] 28 2003, 12:41 PM
Or are we talking assassination styley?
Well in a assassination job, you get killed too if you hesitate to pull the trigger. But if you even consider assassination then you sure are a possible killer :huh:

[Scottish_Militant]

dodgy <_<

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 04:28 PM
dodgy <_<
Always a pleasure to hear your thoughts CR

[shakermaker]

Originally posted by Desert Fox+Sep 28 2003, 04:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Desert Fox @ Sep 28 2003, 04:23 PM)
Funky [email protected] 28 2003, 12:41 PM
Or are we talking assassination styley?
Well in a assassination job, you get killed too if you hesitate to pull the trigger. [/b]
..or maybe you don&#39;t get killed...like if you are on the roof in long distance of your target and you don&#39;t pull trigger...get what I mean? ...no-one knows that you are there...

[WilliamBeckerson]

I could kill cappies from a certain country (south of canada and north of cuba) with no problems. That&#39;s what brought me to this site, I&#39;m looking to join the revolution. :ph34r:

[Guest1]

well, being a hippy, I generally would not kill. but I&#39;m not a pacifist, so if it came to it, I would kill soldiers to defend the revolution. no civilians though.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

If I&#39;m as passionate about the revolution as I am now I would shoot every capitalist that I saw.

[Rastafari]

they took the bait. hit &#39;em hard DC, they deserve it.

[Sovietski Soyuz]

I would have no quarrell shooting a capitalist, during a revolution. I wouldn&#39;t go kill one now. We can&#39;t do much for the movement if we&#39;re all in prison, can we?

[MC_Communist]

I would kill any of these " I rufuse to Listen to Logic " capies .

Also , I think Anyone is capable of Murder .

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 05:12 PM
I could kill cappies from a certain country (south of canada and north of cuba) with no problems. That&#39;s what brought me to this site, I&#39;m looking to join the revolution. :ph34r:
Quit down littlebill.


Yes I know it&#39;s you hiding under Beckerson&#39;s moniker.

[Sabocat]

Originally posted by Dark [email protected] 28 2003, 04:05 AM
Do any of you have the capacity to kill another human being in order to satisfy your own political beliefs?


Yes/No
You&#39;ll just have to wait and see won&#39;t you? ;)

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by Dark [email protected] 28 2003, 06:05 PM
Do any of you have the capacity to kill another human being in order to satisfy your own political beliefs?


Yes/No
I&#39;m sure you would have no problem killing Iraqi civilians, just like your mates in Iraq right now.

[Sovietski Soyuz]

I&#39;m happy to see that someone caught DCs stupid remarks beforehe could get the reaction he wanted.

[RyeN]

My political belifs dont include killing, So no.

[Sovietski Soyuz]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 04:08 PM
My political belifs dont include killing, So no.
The man in your avatar killed people for his beliefs, you know.

Just pointing it out.

[YKTMX]

I think I would be able to yes. I nearly the killed the Ice Cream guy yesterday when he short changed me, so.

[Funky Monk]

I wouldnt kill indiscriminantly.


Kill the fuckers, spare the better ones.

[Dark Capitalist]

Listen, asshole. I was trying to make a point with those last two posts you deleted. That point being that Victorcommie&#39;s communist beliefs are on par, morally, with fascism.

[Vinny Rafarino]

I don&#39;t care. I already warned you about racist and fascists posts. Post another and it will also be deleted. If you don&#39;t like it son, then shuffle your nazi arse back over to the phora.

[elijahcraig]

Listen, asshole. I was trying to make a point with those last two posts you deleted. That point being that Victorcommie&#39;s communist beliefs are on par, morally, with fascism.

How so? Killing for beliefs and fascism are two different things.

This is called intellectual overindulgence: you have compared and contrasted yourself into a moron.

[Rastafari]

He set out the bait, and some of us fell for it.

I tried to warn you this was what he was doing, and, in fact, I&#39;m glad he did it. He showed some of us that there is no fucking reason to be so immaturely hostile. This is what seperates us from the apes, is it not?

[elijahcraig]

What separates us from apes? Hostility or .01% of genetic makeup?

[Vinny Rafarino]

It&#39;s more like 5% in lieu of the recent mapping og the human genome.

[elijahcraig]

Does that have to do with hostility?

And does hostility have to do with fascism in this set of comparisons?

[Rastafari]

The only thing seperating your Neighborhood fascist from a Howler Monkey is an opposable thumb.

[synthesis]

RAF, please don&#39;t delete posts.

[Vinny Rafarino]

I will delete every post that contains fascist or racist remarks. Period. I have very strict orders in regards to this.





Edit:

Do you have a problem with this?

[Rastafari]

I am sorry. I will stop comparing apes to fascists...

[Sovietski Soyuz]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2003, 02:20 AM
RAF, please don&#39;t delete posts.
He had the right to delete that specific post. It was openly racist, and obviously posted just to get a rise out of us.

[synthesis]

Edit it out if necessary, but completely erasing the existence of the post changes the game entirely and creates a new host of problems.

I take it you weren&#39;t around for the original Stormin&#39; Norman debacle?

[Vinny Rafarino]

I don&#39;t care that fascists and racists try to cause a problem. My answer to them is simple,

"If you do not want your posts to be deleted, then DON&#39;T include fascist or racist material in them."

Eventually these twits will get the hint.

I do not bend to fascists and racists EVER.

So, what "problems" do you see arising? The only thing I see happening is that fascists and racists will now be inconvenienced by the deletion of ther posts. Darn. I personally cannot wait for one of them to spend an hour on a nice long post only to slip up and include ONE FASCIST OR RACIST REMARK.

You can then count on me making that hour spent an utter waste of time for them.

The "stormin&#39; norman debacle? Who cares&#33; Someone should have laid into that jackass sooner. They can make all the stink they want comrade&#33; What are they gonna do? Tattle on us to their mummy and daddy?

So I reckon the point here is this;

Every fascist and racist that whines on this forum about being censored is proof that I am doing my job.

[synthesis]

Now that I think about it, you&#39;re probably right.


They can make all the stink they want comrade&#33; What are they gonna do? Tattle on us to their mummy and daddy?

There&#39;s a factor in this equation I don&#39;t know if you&#39;ve considered. When Norman whined about being censored, our own comrades took his side against the mod who deleted his posts of spam and bullshit.

Norman wrote persuasively and gullible people bought into it. The mod was ostracized and hasn&#39;t posted here in months, to my knowledge. I was one of the very few that defended him.

But the paradigm of the type of people who post on this board seems to have shifted dramatically since the debacle occured. There&#39;s a lot less respect towards the capitalists. The established opposition is neither respected by other members of the board nor deserving of such respect.

I guess none of this would be a problem if the censorship wasn&#39;t done on ideological grounds, which I distrust in general.

I suppose I see it as the natural tendency to treat this board like one would an actual socialist country, when it&#39;s actually a socialist discussion board. In a socialist country, I wouldn&#39;t really have a problem with suppression of racists and fascists, but since I have utter confidence in the validity of my ideas, I can see only their strengthening through their conflict with the completely invalid ideologies of racism and fascism.

I don&#39;t know if that made any sense. I&#39;ve already forgotten what I was talking about.

Oh, right. Yeah, proceed with the deletings, and disappearings, and whatnot.

I guess it&#39;s necessary if ideas are to be erased. Just don&#39;t forget that you aren&#39;t erasing the ideas globally, you&#39;re erasing them locally, and when they still exist globally, socialism will inevitably conflict with them, and when that conflict occurs, I think it would be valuable to have the benefit of previous experience.

[Vinny Rafarino]

I can dig what you&#39;re saying mate.


I can also assure you that no matter how many leftists "rally" around a person that has posted fascist or racist remarks, I can take the heat. It&#39;s just an internet message board know?

I firmly believe that fascists and racists should NEVER be given the platform to regurgitate thier filth. These pricks get no sympathy from me and why should they? They condone putting children into ovens.

[Dark Capitalist]

For the record, I don&#39;t want to kill all the Jews.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Neither do I. Nor should ANYONE for that matter. However none of us are fooled DC. As you followed your last post with another "I will shoot all jews" post, (which I deleted) we can clearly see that even 17 year old young men can act like they are 5.

Look DC, I understand that you keep posting this drivel because you are looking to wind people up and you are feeling alienated. I&#39;m sure all those new hormones raging around in your adolescent body have got you mighty confused. Let me tell you this though son, REAL FASCISTS don&#39;t bother acting like toddlers. They spend their time marching up and down the square zieg heiling to the memory of a silly little man that probably laughed at how easy it was to get all you little twerps to do his bidding.

More than likely he sat around laughing with the other members of the SS about how easy it is to get monkeys to do backflips for you as long as you have a nice supply of bananas.

So listen bonzo, why don&#39;t you shine your boots a bit, shave that head nice and clean and practise marching up and down the square in your bedroom. I&#39;m sure mummy&#39;s little soldier will make her very proud one day.

I certainly pity you son. It&#39;s too bad you have not learned to think for yourself yet. Hopefully one day you will will.

In closing DC, I suggest you refrain from posting all this fascist and racist material.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Dark [email protected] 30 2003, 06:55 AM
For the record, I don&#39;t want to kill all the Jews.
Well why should you want to kill jews that you don&#39;t know ? I can understand that you want to kill a jew that you know who killed somebody you loved or so. But killing people you don&#39;t even know is unlogical :P

[Silent Eye]

DF- its "illogical" (unless you were joking).

And although it depends on the situation, i would kill in the name of defense, but only as a last resort. War is an act of violence and should be avoided, only used as a last resort.

[commie kg]

It doesn&#39;t matter anymore. DC got what he wanted.

[Silent Eye]

The question he asked is valid, whether he was banned or not.

[Xvall]

I can&#39;t answer this. It&#39;s one of those questions that is easy to answer (especially online) but when faced with the actual situtation many people probably wouldn&#39;t be able to live up to their statement.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Silent [email protected] 30 2003, 08:23 PM
DF- its "illogical" (unless you were joking).

And although it depends on the situation, i would kill in the name of defense, but only as a last resort. War is an act of violence and should be avoided, only used as a last resort.
What do you think ;)

Well you are right about killing should be only used when there is no other option but on the wars aspect. This may sound illogical, cruel, harsh to many of you but wars are at the end good for a country who comes out as victor or even as defeated. Since it creates a huge amount of jobs : many got killed and many are needed to reconstruct everything that was destroyed. During the war there are many needed to produce weapons, strongholds, etc ... However it is at the expense of human lives normally this would be not acceptable. But think about it, wouldn&#39;t you want to risk your life , your country , everything if there was a chance after it all you would get a job, be able to support your family ???

[Danton]

YES, with bells on..

[Anti-Fascist]

To answer the question in the original post. . . .

I am opposed to killing, and would never kill anyone.

[commieboy]

i think many of us would be able to kill, but not just from a windy roof top with a high powered rifle and scope....but if you&#39;re being attacked, its human nature to defend yourself....so its kill or be killed.

I would say i&#39;d kill, but thats what i say, but put me behind a rifle and an unsuspecting soldier infront of me, i know i&#39;d hesitate, and i dont know what the outcome would be.

[El Commandante]

I agree with Commie Boy - if I was put in a situation where it was kill or be killed then I would attempt to defend myself. It is relatively easy to kill someone but it is not the action of doing it, rather the mental ability to break one of the most ingrained laws and values of society.

I don&#39;t know if I could kill for my beliefs, it would depend on the situation but luckily I have never been put in this sort of situation.