Fatah and Hamas come together

[RGacky3]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/27/fatah-hamas-interim-government_n_854429.html

Great step forward, imo, but watch the US try to stop this.

[PhoenixAsh]

THey are already trying....

http://www.revleft.com/vb/netanyahu-u-s-t153830/index.html?t=153830

[ComradeMan]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/27/fatah-hamas-interim-government_n_854429.html

Great step forward, imo, but watch the US try to stop this.

Step forward to what? :crying:

[danyboy27]

Step forward to what? :crying:

for, i dunno, getting their shit together and have this insane embargo lifted?

that would be a start.

[Sir Comradical]

I don't think anything good will come out of this. Fatah are traitors and they should be declared persona non grata by Hamas for collaborating with Israel and overthrowing the elected Hamas government. Fatah lost the 2006 election and even then Hamas offered to form a unity government with Fatah. Instead Fatah decided to forge an alliance with Israel and launch a coup against Hamas in the WB. The Fatah bosses are an utterly corrupt and despicable crew of Palestinian elites whose only aspirations are to police the Arabs on behalf of Israel. The same Fatah bosses who accepted $190 million from the Americans are the ones who are now talking about ending the occupation. We keep hearing about Hamas persecuting Fatah party-members and militants in Gaza, but nothing of the much worse persecution of elected Hamas MPs in the West Bank by both Fatah and Israel.

Can someone please name for me a movement in history where the collaborators have been welcomed back into struggle?

[ComradeMan]

I don't think anything good will come out of this. Fatah are traitors and they should be declared persona non grata by Hamas for collaborating with Israel and overthrowing the elected Hamas government. Fatah lost the 2006 election and even then Hamas offered to form a unity government with Fatah. Instead Fatah decided to forge an alliance with Israel and launch a coup against Hamas in the WB. The Fatah bosses are an utterly corrupt and despicable crew of Palestinian elites whose only aspirations are to police the Arabs on behalf of Israel. The same Fatah bosses who accepted $190 million from the Americans are the ones who are now talking about ending the occupation. We keep hearing about Hamas persecuting Fatah party-members and militants in Gaza, but nothing of the much worse persecution of elected Hamas MPs in the West Bank by both Fatah and Israel.

Can someone please name for me a movement in history where the collaborators have been welcomed back into struggle?

:laugh:
It has been alleged that Hamas were set up by Israel in the 1980s.

[RGacky3]

Except what he's saying is historical ....

except I disagree, Hamas has to be pragmatic now.

[Sir Comradical]

:laugh:
It has been alleged that Hamas were set up by Israel in the 1980s.

Yes, that was the ploy by Israel to weaken the PLO. However today it's a different story because the genuine resistance today is Hamas. Whatever you think of their ideology the fact is that they were chosen by the Palestinians in an election. Fatah on the other hand are traitors and its entire leadership ought to be put on trial for their lives.

[RGacky3]

Yes, that was the ploy by Israel to weaken the PLO.

wait what .....???

[Sir Comradical]

wait what .....???

The main resistance movement representing the Palestinian struggle in the 80's was the PLO. Israel supported Hamas initially because they felt it would be a good way to divide the Palestinian movement into competing camps.

"Israel's support for Hamas "was a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative," said a former senior CIA official."
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10456.htm

[RGacky3]

ic, new information for me.

[Che a chara]

With this united approach and the likelihood of an officially international recongisned Palestinian state on the horizon, Hamas, who are now in a great position, should show some maturity and progression and revise their charter, then Netanyahu (and the US) shouldn't have any other stumbling blocks or bombs to throw to try and destabilise the situation and have no excuses to prolong the inhuman suffering and brutal suffocating grip he and his terroristic IOF army and government have on Gaza and the occupied territories.

[Che a chara]

More developments and good news for the people of Gaza:


Published 22:24 28.04.11Latest update 22:24 28.04.11

Egypt FM: Gaza border crossing to be permanently opened

Egyptian FM tells Al-Jazeera that preparations are already underway to permanently open Rafah border crossing, which would allow goods and people in and out of Gaza with no Israeli supervision.

By Avi Issacharoff

Egypt's foreign minister said in an interview with Al-Jazeera on Thursday that preparations were underway to open the Rafah border crossing with Gaza on a permanent basis.

Egyptian Foreign Minister Nabil al-Arabi told Al-Jazeera that within seven to 10 days, steps will be taken in order to alleviate the "blockade and suffering of the Palestinian nation."

http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.358691.1304019431!/image/2589720710.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_295/2589720710.jpg
Palestinians at the Rafah border crossing before leaving the Gaza Strip to Egypt after Egypt opened the border in 2008 for two days.

The announcement indicates a significant change in the policy on Gaza, which before Egypt's uprising, was operated in conjunction with Israel. The opening of Rafah will allow the flow of people and goods in and out of Gaza without Israeli permission or supervision, which has not been the case up until now.

Israel's blockade on Gaza has been a policy used in conjunction with Egyptian police to weaken Hamas, which has ruled over the strip since 2007. The policy also aims to reduce Hamas' popularity among Gazans by creating economic hardship in the Strip.

Rafah's opening would be a violation of an agreement reached in 2005 between the United States, Israel, Egypt, and the European Union, which gives EU monitors access to the crossing. The monitors were to reassure Israel that weapons and militants wouldn't get into Gaza after its pullout from the territory in the fall of 2005.

Before Egypt's uprising and ousting of longtime leader Hosni Mubarak, the border between Egypt and Gaza had been sealed. It has occasionally opened the passage for limited periods.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/egypt-fm-gaza-border-crossing-to-be-permanently-opened-1.358690

[hatzel]

I don't think anything good will come out of this. [...] Fatah lost the 2006 election and even then Hamas offered to form a unity government with Fatah. Instead Fatah decided to forge an alliance with Israel and launch a coup against Hamas in the WB.

I think this sums it up pretty much. If this is going to mean anything, they'll have to stay strong. They'll have to show that they seriously offer a viable alternative. I'm holding on on making any comment until after the elections. If they hold together, both accept the results and work together, this might be progress. It might prove that Palestine is ready, politically speaking, for full self-governance. If they end up dragged into in-fighting once again, it won't lend credence to the viability of an independent Palestinian state. In fact, its viability will be seriously questioned...it could even have a negative effect, unfortunately...


Can someone please name for me a movement in history where the collaborators have been welcomed back into struggle?Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you a Maoist? If so, you must be like one of the many people on this site who defend Stalin-era USSR. You should be thanking your lucky stars that your lot can collaborate with the fascists and still be considered a legitimate leftist force. That is to say, the ML(M)s are an example of a bunch of collaborators who have been welcomed back into the struggle :)

[Sir Comradical]

I think this sums it up pretty much. If this is going to mean anything, they'll have to stay strong. They'll have to show that they seriously offer a viable alternative. I'm holding on on making any comment until after the elections. If they hold together, both accept the results and work together, this might be progress. It might prove that Palestine is ready, politically speaking, for full self-governance. If they end up dragged into in-fighting once again, it won't lend credence to the viability of an independent Palestinian state. In fact, its viability will be seriously questioned...it could even have a negative effect, unfortunately...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you a Maoist? If so, you must be like one of the many people on this site who defend Stalin-era USSR. You should be thanking your lucky stars that your lot can collaborate with the fascists and still be considered a legitimate leftist force. That is to say, the ML(M)s are an example of a bunch of collaborators who have been welcomed back into the struggle :)

I don't really have a tendency. Collaborate with which fascists?

[Che a chara]

......And Israel's response has been swift and as expected :rolleyes:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-four-palestinians-in-gaza-wounded-by-israel-gunfire-1.358696

[agnixie]

ic, new information for me.

And the origin of Hamas was the british funded muslim brethren, because the british were afraid of communist revolution in Palestine (same reason they also tried all they could to stop jewish socialists from immigrating).

That said I sort of agree they've managed to set themselves up as the only resistance (of course they still take money from the Israeli foreign ministry when they're trying to fuel petty internal chicanery between the palestinian organizations).

Hopefully some sort of national unity will shut the likudnik up. (That said, I suspect they might be trying to avoid the electoral reform: I'll note that based on the election results of 2006, a Fatah-PFLP coalition would have largely beaten Hamas)


......And Israel's response has been swift and as expected

Ah, yes, that was forgetting that Likud and YB were bloodthirsty idiots who did not take no, maybe or even yes for a response without opening fire.