Bureaucracy!

[UltraWright]

Having been bitten by bureaucrats over and over again, I am very sceptical of the notion of governmental bureaucrats organising the society. Actually, that scepticism over bureaucracy and putting trust in a government is what is keeping me from being politically active as I have a voice in my head telling me that my "naive" socialist are sweet but not implementable in real life.

Can you help me with this issue?

[Queercommie Girl]

Long Live the Bureaucracy!

(joke)

[Rusty Shackleford]

though i havent really studied bureaucracy or whatever youd call it, id imagine it is how it is organized that has the greatest effect on how it operates and relates with people on a daily basis.

[el_chavista]

if Bureaucracy is the implementation of authority in practice (bureaucrats are as old as the first governments in history of mankind, like the Egyptian scribes, etc.) I hope that the anarchist theory includes its abolition along with the State.

We can blame bureaucracy for the failure of the historic socialism of the 20th century. Lenin complained about his own Bolshevist bureaucracy saying "it's the same Czarist bureaucracy, daubed in red." From the red bureaucracy came also the capitalist roaders in Russia, China and VietNam.

The bureaucracy problem is worst in our backward countries, with their scarcity economy. Practically, the corrupted bureaucrats in Venezuela and even in Cuba are the real counter-revolutionary enemies within.

Further theoretic Marxist analysis is needed to supersede the bureaucracy.

[$lim_$weezy]

Indeed, the bureaucratic caste too often becomes the ruling caste.

Anarchists would of course advocate the dissolution of the bureaucracy, viewing it as undesirable for the community. Of course, coherent action on a large scale without bureaucrats would pose some difficulties, but I believe they can be overcome. It is right to be suspicious of power, I think.

[Queercommie Girl]

There is a difference between the "bureaucratic caste" and administrative workers, whose specialism is large-scale co-ordination.

[$lim_$weezy]

Personally, I am not knowledgeable about the distinction between bureaucrat and administrative worker. Perhaps you could enlighten me?
I believe the anarchist perspective to remain unchanged, unless I misunderstood either the question or the nature of the "administrative worker".

[Queercommie Girl]

Personally, I am not knowledgeable about the distinction between bureaucrat and administrative worker. Perhaps you could enlighten me?
I believe the anarchist perspective to remain unchanged, unless I misunderstood either the question or the nature of the "administrative worker".

Administration is a necessary profession in a highly complex and technologically advanced economy in an objectively sense, unless you are a primitivist of some sort.

Without effective large-scale co-ordination, there can be no effective functioning of the planned economy. And without the effective functioning of the socialist planned economy, the socialist system will eventually collapse. Base determines superstructure.

An administrative worker's relationship to the means of production is the same as that of any other worker. Bureaucratic deformation only emerged in the USSR as certain layers of bureaucrats gained special privileges in the political and economic sense, which in a genuine Marxist-Leninist system must be prevented. But there is nothing about the job of an administrator that is intrinsically reactionary at all.

[$lim_$weezy]

Thank you for the explanation.

The role of administrative workers is something I will have to think on before I can really put forth an informed opinion.

[ar734]

Having been bitten by bureaucrats over and over again, I am very sceptical of the notion of governmental bureaucrats organising the society. Actually, that scepticism over bureaucracy and putting trust in a government is what is keeping me from being politically active as I have a voice in my head telling me that my "naive" socialist are sweet but not implementable in real life.

Can you help me with this issue?

It's not government bureaucrats who organize society, but private bureaucrats who organize government and society. The U.S. government spends at least 1/2 trillion dollars a year on military contracts. It is business bureaucrats at GE, Halliburton, General Dynamics, Boeing, Bechtel, Lockheed Martin, etc., etc., etc, who organize this stupendous pile of cash.

[Octavian]

The bureaucracy is always expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.

[SacRedMan]

Bureaucracy leads to corruption and violates the rights on privacy.

[Magón]

Bureaucracy is often, in my eyes, comparable to Stage IV Cancer. Basically it's spread everywhere one looks, and is basically passed the point of no return.

[Psy]

Administration is a necessary profession in a highly complex and technologically advanced economy in an objectively sense, unless you are a primitivist of some sort.

Without effective large-scale co-ordination, there can be no effective functioning of the planned economy. And without the effective functioning of the socialist planned economy, the socialist system will eventually collapse. Base determines superstructure.

An administrative worker's relationship to the means of production is the same as that of any other worker.

True but personally I find work flows better when all the workers know what is going on especially when things go wrong.