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tradeunionsupporter
27th April 2011, 06:14
Is Socialism popular among the Arabs/Muslims ?
Ned Kelly
27th April 2011, 07:03
Pan-Arab Socialism was popular for a long while..Egypt under Nasser was a good example of this. It wasn't a Marxist form of socialism.
However its popularity is more or less gone.
Optiow
27th April 2011, 07:09
Arabs and Muslims are two totally different things, and should be treated as such.
Among Arabs (who are a race of peoples) it enjoys the support of a significant minority. Arabs have contributed quite a bit to Marxist theory, and I personally read from quite a few Arab Marxists - most notably Mansoor Hekmat. All 'Arab' countries have trade unions, with varying degrees of support, who are playing a big part in the 2011 Arab World Revolts. There is definitely a socialist current running within Arab communities.
Socialism among Muslims (which is a religion) is like socialism among Christians. Many are opposed to socialist 'tyrannies', but then a select few like the ideas of socialism. However, to my knowledge I do not believe that socialism is popular in mainstream Islam, and I have yet to meet an 'Islamic Communist'.
If anyone wants to correct me on any points they think I might have gotten wrong, feel free. This is not my strong point.
RGacky3
27th April 2011, 07:46
You'll meet very few Islamic communists, but there are a lot of muslims that support variations of socialism, but nost practicing Muslims will stay away from marxism for obvious reasons.
Devrim
27th April 2011, 09:23
I personally read from quite a few Arab Marxists - most notably Mansoor Hekmat.
Mansoor Hekmat was an Iranian not an Arab.
Devrim
UltraWright
27th April 2011, 17:35
I speak of experience when I say that there is a healthy small number of Muslims who support some forms of socialism other than Marxism. In fact, the majority of the working class in Egypt right now (i.e. after the Egyptian uprising) are supporting socialism in Egypt.
We will have to wait and see whether that desire will be implemented by the next regime, though!
Sadena Meti
27th April 2011, 18:14
Mansoor Hekmat was an Iranian not an Arab.
Devrim
He still could be an Arab. Not everyone in Iran is Persian.
Persian 51%, Azeri 24%, Gilaki and Mazandarani 8%, Kurd 7%, Arab 3%, Lur 2%, Baloch 2%, Turkmen 2%, other 1%
Source = CIA
Though in fact it looks like he might have been a Kurd, because he sought refuge in Kurdistan and fused with Kurdish groups.
Devrim
27th April 2011, 22:46
He still could be an Arab. Not everyone in Iran is Persian.
Persian 51%, Azeri 24%, Gilaki and Mazandarani 8%, Kurd 7%, Arab 3%, Lur 2%, Baloch 2%, Turkmen 2%, other 1%
Source = CIA
Yes, but I know. Hekmat was a Persian.
Devrim
Viet Minh
27th April 2011, 23:51
I don't know a lot about them, but there are the Kurdish Socialist Party and Kurdistan Communist Party in Iraq.
LOLseph Stalin
28th April 2011, 00:17
As far as I know, no. To my knowledge, there are a few Arab socialist/communist parties though in some countries. I'm actually surprised they haven't gained attention, considering the recent revolutionary activity all over the middle east.
tachosomoza
28th April 2011, 00:19
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzOY43KTxJU
^Internationale in Arabic, from Syria
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqVIpAZqYGc&feature=related
^ Turkish Maoists
black magick hustla
28th April 2011, 05:32
turks are not arab
tachosomoza
28th April 2011, 05:34
turks are not arab
They are Muslim, however, with a sizeable Christian minority.
Dumb
28th April 2011, 05:45
I think the term we're looking for is "Middle Eastern."
Devrim
28th April 2011, 07:32
They are Muslim, however, with a sizeable Christian minority.
Turkey is 99.9% muslim.
Devrim
tachosomoza
28th April 2011, 12:19
Sorry, I was thinking of Syria.
Viet Minh
28th April 2011, 14:09
If we're talking about muslims, there are muslims of all races in every nation on earth as far as I know. If we're talking about Arabs its north africa, the middle east, and culturally extended as far as western Asia. Sorry for being pedantic but its innacurate to suggest Islam is confined to Middle Eastern Arabs
Rafiq
28th April 2011, 22:59
It depends where. Marxism among Muslims is somewhat unpopular, though
Sam_b
28th April 2011, 23:09
Who are 'the Arabs', are they one sort of big uniformed group?
lines
28th April 2011, 23:13
Arabs (who are a race of peoples)
Arabs are not a race, they are people united by geography and language and are of a variety of races.
ComradeMan
29th April 2011, 00:08
Who are 'the Arabs', are they one sort of big uniformed group?
Mohammed, PBOH, said "he is an Arab who speaks Arabic".
"O' people, know that the Lord and Sustainer is One. Your ancestor is one, your faith is one. The Arabism of anyone of you is not from your mother or father. It is no more than a tongue (language). Whoever speaks Arabic is an Arab."
Rafiq
29th April 2011, 00:22
Mohammed, PBOH, said "he is an Arab who speaks Arabic".
"O' people, know that the Lord and Sustainer is One. Your ancestor is one, your faith is one. The Arabism of anyone of you is not from your mother or father. It is no more than a tongue (language). Whoever speaks Arabic is an Arab."
That's very, very debatable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabid_race
Being an Arab is more than just speaking Arab. There are a lot of physical traits that define being an Arab as well.
In order to be an Arab, you'd also have to be in the Semitic race.
There isn't a set definition of how an Arab looks though. For example, around the Mediterranean coast, you'd find Arabic speakers with light skin, colored eyes, and brown or blond hair.
But most Arabs, regardless of skin tone, hair color, or eye color, have, like 'defined faces' (I guess? idk) kind of like Italians or Greeks.
Like big noses, ect.
So, I suppose Muhammad was wrong, for example, the Arabism of me is from my father and mother.
ComradeMan
29th April 2011, 09:25
That's very, very debatable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabid_race
Being an Arab is more than just speaking Arab. There are a lot of physical traits that define being an Arab as well.
In order to be an Arab, you'd also have to be in the Semitic race.
There isn't a set definition of how an Arab looks though. For example, around the Mediterranean coast, you'd find Arabic speakers with light skin, colored eyes, and brown or blond hair.
But most Arabs, regardless of skin tone, hair color, or eye color, have, like 'defined faces' (I guess? idk) kind of like Italians or Greeks.
Like big noses, ect.
So, I suppose Muhammad was wrong, for example, the Arabism of me is from my father and mother.
Mohammed was presenting this as an argument against racism according to the writings.
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