Random fact about the KPD

[Red Future]

Police attempts to enter KPD neighborhoods in Berlin in the 1930s...were met with rooftop snipers!!..this is true:laugh:

[Ravachol]

Police attempts to enter KPD neighborhoods in Berlin in the 1930s...were met with rooftop snipers!!..this is true:laugh:

http://www.irishhistorylinks.net/pages/Troubles_Images/SniperAtWork.jpeg

Source?

[Red_Struggle]

http://www.communisme-bolchevisme.net/images/Ernst_Thalmann.jpg


Ernst Thalmann all day

[A.J.]

Police attempts to enter KPD neighborhoods in Berlin in the 1930s...were met with rooftop snipers!!..this is true:laugh:

The fact that areas of strong communist support had to resort to such methods to defend themselves during the time of a social democratc government sort of proves that "social fascist" was indeed an accurate characterisation of the SPD. Or as Stalin put it "social democracy is the moderate wing of fascism".

[Rusty Shackleford]

The fact that areas of strong communist support had to resort to such methods to defend themselves during the time of a social democratc government sort of proves that "social fascist" was indeed an accurate characterisation of the SPD. Or as Stalin put it "social democracy is the moderate wing of fascism".
pretty much

[Tim Finnegan]

The fact that areas of strong communist support had to resort to such methods to defend themselves during the time of a social democratc government sort of proves that "social fascist" was indeed an accurate characterisation of the SPD. Or as Stalin put it "social democracy is the moderate wing of fascism".
...No, I'm pretty sure that it's still bullshit. I mean, aside from anything else, do you really think that the SDP held such an iron grip on the country that the police could be regarded as no more than an extension of a Social Democratic party-state? That would make their inability to ever get more than 25% of the vote (outside of the 1919 elections, which occurred in unique circumstances) rather confusing, not to mention the decade-long presidency of the hardline nationalist Hindenberg.

[A.J.]

...No, I'm pretty sure that it's still bullshit. I mean, aside from anything else, do you really think that the SDP held such an iron grip on the country that the police could be regarded as no more than an extension of a Social Democratic party-state?

Here's a concrete example of why I think the description of the SPD during the time of the Weimar Republic as social-fascist was an accurate one:

Following violent clashes between the cops and Communists during May Day 1929 in Berlin it was the the SPD-dominated government of Prussia who ordered a state of emergency in the working class districts of Wedding and Neukölln(KPD strongholds). The resulting unrest led to 33 dead and over 200 injured. Moreover, the head of the Berlin Police at the time, Zorgiebel, was actually a member of the SPD!
The SPD government banned the Red Front Fighters's League(RfB) shortly afterwards.

If fascism is, to quote Georgi Dimitrov, the "open terrorstic dictatorship of monopoly capital" than, on street level at least, fascist is a term that could be accurately applied to the actions of the SPD government at that specific time.

[Tim Finnegan]

If fascism is, to quote Georgi Dimitrov, the "open terrorstic dictatorship of monopoly capital"...
Which it isn't. So that might be where you're going wrong.

[El Rojo]

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GUYS DOING!?!?!?!

ARE YO OUT OF YOUR MINDS? THIS IS CHIT CHAT, TAKE YOUR SERIOUS CRAP SOMEWHERE ELSE! I DIDNT COME HERE TO THINK!!



i suppose, since you give me no option: the KPD were pretty cool. remember though that the police were largly freicorps given state authorisation to kill lefties. snipers seem appropriate

[Panda Tse Tung]

Which it isn't. So that might be where you're going wrong.
Actually thats only a part of what Dimitrov said.

[Tim Finnegan]

i suppose, since you give me no option: the KPD were pretty cool. remember though that the police were largly freicorps given state authorisation to kill lefties. snipers seem appropriate
Oh, no argument there. Just because I don't think that the Social Democrats can be described as "fascists" doesn't mean that the coppers weren't so close as to make little different from the perspective of a gun-sight.

[A.J.]

Which it isn't. So that might be where you're going wrong.

What's with all the arrogance?
(arrogance, it would seem, is a character trait exhibited by most of the indigenous Brit Left :thumbdown: )

Well, anyway, if you don't accept the vaidity of the Dimitrov definition of Fascsim then obviously you might not consider the SPD during the time of the Weimar Republic as being fascistic. However, if you do believe Dimitrov's analysis to be accurate it sort of goes without saying that that the SPD were, if not Fascist with a capital F, then certainly fascistic.