How do Marxists plan to getting support from Muslims/Islam since Marxism promotes Ath

[tradeunionsupporter]

How do Marxists plan to getting support from Muslims/Islam since Marxism promotes Atheism is there a such thing as Islamic Socialism or Muslim Socialism Im not a Muslim I just want to know how Socialits plan on winning the support of Muslims can Muslims be Marxists what is the history of the Soviet Union and Muslims ?

Islam & socialism

http://www.socialismtoday.org/87/islam.html

[Proukunin]

There is Islamic socialism just like Christian communism. But usually Islamic socialists have nationalistic aspects in their theories. it kind of gets rid of the real meaning of socialism. Like qadaffi or saddam.

[Sadena Meti]

It was tried during the expansion of the Soviet Union. They tried to integrate Class War and Holy War. Results were mixed, and it was a betrayal of doctrine.

[hatzel]

Results were mixed, and it was a betrayal of doctrine.For whom, Muslims or Marxists? :tt2:

[Sadena Meti]

For whom, Muslims or Marxists? :tt2:
For the Marxists. I could care less what religious impact it would have.

[hatzel]

I could care lessThat sounds really weird on this side of the pond. As we say 'couldn't care less'. Which makes a lot more sense, actually...

Also I like how the URL of this thread is http://www.revleft.com/vb/do-marxists-plan-t153665/index.html. I could go all sectarian with some kind of 'well, if they do plan, they sure as hell don't do it very well!' or whatever. Bud would like that :thumbup1:

[dernier combat]

Mixing religious dogma with political and economic theory is just shooting yourself in the foot.

[Sasha]

we developed the muslamic ray gun for them ;)

on a more serious note;
i think marxism doesnt promote atheism, at least it shouldnt, it opposes organized religion as an political force.
peoples private existential believes are just that, private, and by no means have to be in conflict with marxism.
so it depends what kind of islam we are talking here, suffi and (turkish not syrian) alawi believes should be able to integrate marxism easily, as they already did with the enlightenment and other progressive thoughts, while salafism and orthodox shia'ism with their explicit political role for religion/religious leaders will ofcourse be as dificult to reconcile with marxism as the catholic church.

[tradeunionsupporter]

I agree with these posts.

[AntiNazionale]

As both a socialist and an (on-and-off) observant muslim, i believe that the two ideologies are compatible but I also think that it is a mistake for religion and politics to become intertwined. Islamic economic jurisprudence is as close to a socialist economy as you would find in the 7th century and essentially, in theory, Islam is a highly egalitarian religion. Islamic anarchism also exist, with the thinking being, with there only being one master, namely God, no one has the right to rule and exploit another.

[tradeunionsupporter]

I believe that Socialism will rule the World one day.

[Viet Minh]

Leftism is universal, its not even just for the working class, its for everyone. As soon as it becomes focused on any religious, ethnic or even sectarian grouping it loses that fundamental aspect. We have to be very wary of any 'exclusive' leftist groups, because leftist ideology has in many cases been misrepresented in bastardised elitist, even fascist form. ie anarcho-capitalism, national bolshevism, national 'socialism'.

[MarxSchmarx]

I don't understand why "getting support from Muslims/Islam" is any different from getting support from Buddhists, Christians, Taoists or any other religion.

[balaclava]

I don't understand why "getting support from Muslims/Islam" is any different from getting support from Buddhists, Christians, Taoists or any other religion.

Because Islam has the RevLeft (pagans as they call us) top of the list for beheading as soon as they take over, the other religions do not wish you any harm.

[hatzel]

Because Islam has the RevLeft (pagans as they call us) top of the list for beheading as soon as they take over, the other religions do not wish you any harm.

Or maybe perhaps potentially no...

Also, what do you mean by 'when Islam takes over'?

[smk]

Because Islam has the RevLeft (pagans as they call us) top of the list for beheading as soon as they take over, the other religions do not wish you any harm.

I'm quite sure that there are religious and political minorities in Muslim countries who aren't dead.

EDIT: Also, why would they ever call leftists pagans? As someone who grew up in muslim culture, I've never heard this. ever.

[#FF0000]

Because Islam has the RevLeft (pagans as they call us) top of the list for beheading as soon as they take over, the other religions do not wish you any harm.

Funny. Christians seemed to love turning over communists and anarchists to Fascists. Orthodox Christians and the extreme right in Russia are also very much intertwined, and right wingers up there kill leftists and anti-fascists all the time.

And let's not get started on Hindu fundamentalists. Or buddhists.

And, to the OP, I think there's some groups in Britain that have a lot of support from Muslims. Makes sense, I think, since Muslims in Britain seem to have is pretty rough.

[ZrianKobani]

I think it would be difficult considering the Soviet-Afghan War. I was a practicing Sunni during my time with the Young Communist League, USA and we discussed the issue but never came up with anything. The trick I think is to seperate the conception of the Soviet Union as the embodiment of Marxism-Leninism; when we do that and show Marxism-Leninism isn't inherently atheist, then can we begin to make inroads with the Muslim population.

[OhYesIdid]

I think it would be difficult considering the Soviet-Afghan War. I was a practicing Sunni during my time with the Young Communist League, USA and we discussed the issue but never came up with anything. The trick I think is to seperate the conception of the Soviet Union as the embodiment of Marxism-Leninism; when we do that and show Marxism-Leninism isn't inherently atheist, then can we begin to make inroads with the Muslim population.

Agreed: to insist on our atheist identity is self-defeating. I think religion will take much, much longer to fall than capitalism, the family, or even property.
Rest assured, it will disappear.
As for the OP, I believe that the left should appeal to muslims' identity as a persecuted minority, racial if anything, and not as a religion.

[ImStalinist]

How do Marxists plan to getting support from Muslims/Islam since Marxism promotes Atheism is there a such thing as Islamic Socialism or Muslim Socialism Im not a Muslim I just want to know how Socialits plan on winning the support of Muslims can Muslims be Marxists what is the history of the Soviet Union and Muslims ?

Islam & socialism

http://www.socialismtoday.org/87/islam.html

Marx did criticize religion, however some Marxists are religious. Marx never criticized religion in Das Kapital and The Communist Manifesto. As long as they fight against plutocracy, they're fine.

[Franz Fanonipants]

Ali Shariati then chill out

[Queercommie Girl]

Leftism is universal, its not even just for the working class, its for everyone.

What? :confused:

[smk]

Ali Shariati then chill out

shariati was against marxism. (yet he incorporated many marxist ideas which he claimed he derived from islam)

read: marxism: an islamic critique

[Franz Fanonipants]

shariati was against marxism. (yet he incorporated many marxist ideas which he claimed he derived from islam)

read: marxism: an islamic critique

I've read it, hence what I said.

If the principles are in place (Shariati making intellectual connections between Marxism and Islamic thought) use them and don't be all squeamish.

[Rainsborough]

As both a socialist and an (on-and-off) observant muslim, i believe that the two ideologies are compatible but I also think that it is a mistake for religion and politics to become intertwined. Islamic economic jurisprudence is as close to a socialist economy as you would find in the 7th century and essentially, in theory, Islam is a highly egalitarian religion. Islamic anarchism also exist, with the thinking being, with there only being one master, namely God, no one has the right to rule and exploit another.

And there was me thinking that Anarchists promote the idea of "no gods and no masters".:confused: