Hi comrades!

[Pacsta]

I am an anarchist who want to see his country in anti-capitalist world :cool:

anarchy from Turkey!

[red cat]

Welcome :)

[t.shonku]

Welcome :cool:

[El Chuncho]

Welcome to the forum! Enjoy your stay here.

[Devrim]

I am an anarchist who want to see his country in anti-capitalist world :cool:

anarchy from Turkey!

I find it quite strange that an anarchist has a picture of Mustafa Kemal as his icon and lists his organisation as 'Atatürk Youth'.

Devrim

[Le Socialiste]

Welcome! :)

What part of Turkey do you hail from, if you don't mind my asking?

[Edit] - Ah, never mind. I see you're from Istanbul.

[Theoneontheleft]

Welcome!:)

[Pacsta]

I find it quite strange that an anarchist has a picture of Mustafa Kemal as his icon and lists his organisation as 'Atatürk Youth'.

Devrim

why did you find it strange? your words are really strange, many revolutionary shows respect to Atatürk.

[Devrim]

why did you find it strange? your words are really strange, many revolutionary shows respect to Atatürk.

Perhaps because Atatürk was a nationalist who murdered communists. It is even more surprising that somebody who claims to be an anarchist supports somebody who had as one of his 'six arrows' the idea of statism.

I think that you seem to be very confused. Either you have completely misunderstood anarchism, or you have completely misunderstood Atatürkçülük. They are not in any way compatible.

There are groups on the 'left who 'show respect' to Atatürk, such as the İsçi Partisi. Then again, they also work with the neo-fascist 'Grey Wolves'.

Devrim

[RedSunRising]

There are groups on the 'left who 'show respect' to Atatürk, such as the İsçi Partisi. Then again, they also work with the neo-fascist 'Grey Wolves'.

Devrim

Can they still be consider left than?

[Dahut]

Peace brother :cool:

[Devrim]

Can they still be consider left than?

I suppose it depends what you consider to be 'left'. They call themselves the 'Workers Party' and have Maoist roots. The collaboration with the neo-fascists was over the Cyprus issue. They are a deeply nationalist organisation as is much of the Turkish left. Their actually theory has changed little since their Maoist days. It is just that now they consider Turkey to be an oppressed nation. Another example of this sort of nationalism would be the TKP (Turkish Communist Party), which when Turkish troops were invading Iraq raised the slogan "We won't let the Americans divide our country".

This is what the English wiki says:


Workers' Party (Turkish: İşçi Partisi) is political party in Turkey led by Doğu Perinçek. İP has its roots in the Revolutionary Workers and Peasants Party of Turkey (TİİKP), Workers and Peasants Party of Turkey (TİKP) and Socialist Party (Turkey). They are known as "Aydınlıkçılar" (Enlighteners) due to their periodical "Aydınlık" (Enlightenment).
The İP traditionally combined Maoist rhetoric with a hardline Kemalism. Although they accept scientific socialism as their main ideology, they have a more nationalistic ideology than other left-wing parties in Turkey. Their revolution strategy is based on "National Democratic Revolution", which is close to Mao Zedong's "New Democratic Revolution". İP supports Stalin's "socialism in one country" thesis, rather than Mirsäyet Soltanğäliev's "national communism" thesis. Such that, Mehmet Bedri Gültekin, deputy chairman of the party, wrote a book on Soltanğäliev's counter-revolutionary role.[1] They admire the founder of the Turkish republic, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk (who is considered a "left-wing bourgois democratic revolutionary" by most of the party members) as much as they admire Marxist revolutionary leaders such as Lenin, Mao Zedong and Fidel Castro. They also defend Turkish interests in issues concerning Cyprus, Greece or Armenia. They also promote alliances with nations they believe have anti-imperialist tendencies - (such as Venezuela, Brazil and Cuba) - or oppose the existence of American expansionism - (such as India, China and Russia).
İP states that a brotherhood based solution to the Kurdish question must exclude imperialist initiative in the Middle East. They claim that the Workers' Party of Kurdistan (PKK) has been completely under the control of the USA since the Gulf War. İP asserts that it is still possible to unite Turkish and Kurdish people in Turkey within the borders of an anti-imperialist nation-state which will be established through a democratic revolution. According to them, separatism became a tool of US imperialism in breaking national markets in the Third World in post-Cold War conditions. Although they traverse separation, they also defend democratic rights and freedoms of Kurds in Turkey. For İP, the key tool to solve the Kurdish problem is to demolish "feudal structures" in Kurdish provinces and make peasants "free citizens".
The youth student wing of İP is known as Öncü Gençlik (Vanguard Youth (Turkey)). The youth workingmen wing of İP is known as Emekçi Gençlik (Labourer Youth). The women wing of İP is known as Öncü Kadin (Vanguard Women).

Devrim

[RedSunRising]

Mustafa Kemal Attatürk is obviously an important figure for the capitalist class in Turkey but his anti-Communism was pretty militant if I remember correctly. Whatever their slogans they seem to represent they national bourgouise and not the working class, so if they allign with violent fascist chauvanists than they cant really be considered left.

[Devrim]

Mustafa Kemal Attatürk is obviously an important figure for the capitalist class in Turkey but his anti-Communism was pretty militant if I remember correctly. Whatever their slogans they seem to represent they national bourgouise and not the working class, so if they allign with violent fascist chauvanists than they cant really be considered left.

Again it depends on what you consider to be 'left'. If you consider the left to be socialist or revolutionary then obviously not. If you consider that much of the left parties are bourgeois and nationalistic, then the boot fits.

It comes down to a question of terminology. In either case, it is clear that they are anti-working class.

Devrim

[El Chuncho]

-12? Wow, you are not winning over the hearts and mind of the board...:mellow:

[ellipsis]

Welcome to the forum and enjoy OI. At least I learned somethings new about Turkey today!

[DienBienPhu]

Can they still be consider left than?

In any case it seems they are not tolerate one May Day demonstrations in Istanbul...