A laughable forum of laughable people.

[Hereward]

This forum would truly be a comedy if it wasn't so sadly real.

Right off the bat I bet none of your 'ardent Socialists' have never lived in a Socialist country, like China for example. Are there any Chinese Socialists on this forum? Oh, wait... their internet is blocked. You all reside in America and Europe, working and living in democratic and captalist countries. You talk about a Socialist revolution but yet live, raise your families and work happily in a captalist country. Makes me chuckle. :laugh:

And then you post threads and idolise the ideas and actions of Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot and Lenin, harking back to the great propaganda of the Soviet Union; driving down the highway screaming 'Ploterait of the world, unite!'.

Yes, they were great revolutionaries... in killing millions of their own and foreign people in the name of Socialism. Truly wonderful heroes. :lol:

This board is an insult to the people who died and worked under Socialism in countries like the Soviet Union and Cambodia.

The Hammer and Sickle has long since rusted into a blob of old, rugged and useless metal. The fact that out of 29,000 members there are only 1,800 shows this.


COMMUNISM CAN KISS MY DEMOCRATIC AND FREE ASS!

[SacRedMan]

living in democratic:laugh: Lol dude what did you smoke?


And then you post threads and idolise the ideas and actions of Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot and Lenin, harking back to the great propaganda of the Soviet Union; driving down the highway screaming 'Ploterait of the world, unite!'.1) Its PROLETARIAT, not "ploterait"
2) No, we don't do that
3) We are realistic and come up with good and based arguments, yours is just a tragedy


have never lived in a Socialist country

There are people that did here. Hey, wait a sec. Now you are reffering to socialism? LMAOZEDONG!!


in killing millions of their own and foreign people in the name of Socialism

Who told you that? Uncle Sam?

CAN KISS MY DEMOCRATIC AND FREE ASS!Free of what? Owning property that people can steel every moment? Free to work for someone else and then end up old in a little house with only your wife as company?

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e314/Nexxo00/Fail-2.jpg

[Sam_b]

Isn't it more laughable that you've come onto the forum in the first place, then? What does that make you?


'Ploterait of the world, unite!'.
I've never done this, because 'ploterait' isn't a word.

[hatzel]

The fact that out of 29,000 members there are only 1,800 shows this.I agree. This does make perfect sense. 'Sup, bro? :)

[Sam_b]

Are there any Chinese Socialists on this forum?

You should probably consult the Chinese language sub-forum about this.

PS ****BONUS POINTS*** How is China socialist?

[Lenina Rosenweg]

There are a fair number of Chinese communists on this forum. There's a Chinese language sub forum. And yes, I have lived in the PRC myself-this forum, at least in English, is certainly accessible.

BTW the People's Republic of China has nothing to do with socialism. Much of the country serves as a manufacturing platform for US firms, its the "sweatshop of the world"


and work happily


A fair number of posters are unemployed and I would guess the majority are underemployed.


Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot and Lenin


If you actually bothered to read any of the posts you will find these people are not uniformly liked here. Most RevLefters detest Pol Pot.Stalin is a highly controversial figure and anarchists and some left communist detest Lenin and all detest Mao.

Have you ever bothered to try to engage with ideas outside of a narrow pro-capitalist worldview? Have you ever read Marx,Trotsky, Bakunin, Bordiga, Emma Goldman, Rosa Luxemburg? Do you enjoy living in a country which an official unemployment rate of 8% but in reality around 20%? How do you feel about recurring food crisis becuase of speculation and the flows of finance capital? How do you feel about virtual genocide in parts of Africa, death squads in Columbia, mass suicides of peasants in India, horrendous sweatshops in China, declining living standards in developed countries?

What's your solution to the crisis?

You might want actually , you know, read something that's not on Fox News.

[SacRedMan]

http://adaptershack.com/m/files/images.starcraftmazter.net_4chan_for_forums_troll_ thread.jpg
Let's get out of here before it's to late!

[Nolan]

K.


Right off the bat I bet none of your 'ardent Socialists' have never lived in a Socialist country, like China for example.

Thanks, now my sig wont be so boring.

[Comrade J]

China is socialist? News to me! I thought it was state-capitalist with a large percentage of state monopolised industry, run by what is essentially an oligarchy.
As a Marxist I fucking hated the Chinese government; the pseudo-communist party and its repressive regime, but that's because I've read various socialist texts. Y'know, books and shit? However, OP has shown me the light, you don't need to be educated when you can just make crass general assumptions about things! So thanks. Now I know China is socialist I think it's awesome. :)

As for people dying under 'socialism', it's a mere drop in the ocean compared to the death toll brought about by capitalism - hundreds of thousands of people die every day because of capitalism. They die of starvation, curable diseases and so on, because they live at the bottom end of an economic system in which the majority of capital is controlled by the few.
In fact, even people in the glorious USA die of curable illnesses, because they can't afford health insurance or operations/medicine for certain diseases. Wow, what a free country. It's so free, even if your dad was president you can still be one too! Not like there is any sort of hereditary ruling class where opportunities, wealth, expensive schooling and so on are the preserve of the wealthy elite, who possess vast amounts of concentrated capital. Land of the free and all that shit.

OP, before you further embarass yourself, how about you stop believing what the privately owned media tells you about socialism and research it yourself? I know that's a difficult notion to comprehend - as I'm sorry to tell you but it might even involve reading something :ohmy: - but on the other hand you at least stem the tide of moronic fucking bullshit that oozes out of you.

[GallowsBird]

Hereward is just a troll and a disgrace to the name he is using as his username.

And by the way Harry I do indeed support Lenin, Stalin and Mao and there is nothing you can do about it. Must be frustarating for you! :cool:

[Sadena Meti]

On the bright side he beat my rep. I was down to -13 during the thread that got me Restricted.

[The Douche]

http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/9ac/d6d/164/resized/redneck-randal-meme-generator-out-of-29-000-members-there-are-only-1-800-29fab4.jpg?1303405337

[Le Libérer]

I want to know which mod approved this idiots OP?

[Thirsty Crow]

You should hear me burping the American national anthem (or Croatian, for that matter).
Yes, I'm laughable.

[SacRedMan]

I want to know which mod approved this idiots OP?

What does "OP" means? :confused:

[Le Libérer]

This forum would truly be a comedy if it wasn't so sadly real.

Right off the bat I bet none of your 'ardent Socialists' have never lived in a Socialist country, like China for example. Are there any Chinese Socialists on this forum? Oh, wait... their internet is blocked. You all reside in America and Europe, working and living in democratic and captalist countries. You talk about a Socialist revolution but yet live, raise your families and work happily in a captalist country. Makes me chuckle. :laugh:

And then you post threads and idolise the ideas and actions of Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot and Lenin, harking back to the great propaganda of the Soviet Union; driving down the highway screaming 'Ploterait of the world, unite!'.

Yes, they were great revolutionaries... in killing millions of their own and foreign people in the name of Socialism. Truly wonderful heroes. :lol:

This board is an insult to the people who died and worked under Socialism in countries like the Soviet Union and Cambodia.

The Hammer and Sickle has long since rusted into a blob of old, rugged and useless metal. The fact that out of 29,000 members there are only 1,800 shows this.


COMMUNISM CAN KISS MY DEMOCRATIC AND FREE ASS!

Thank you for posting, We now have your IP and location. :lol:

[SacRedMan]

Thank you posting, We now have your IP and location. :lol:

OWNED!!:laugh:

[Comrade J]

What does "OP" means? :confused:

Original post / original poster.

[Le Libérer]

What does "OP" means? :confused:

Original Post.

[Ele'ill]

This forum would truly be a comedy if it wasn't so sadly real.

Right off the bat I bet none of your 'ardent Socialists' have never lived in a Socialist country, like China for example. Are there any Chinese Socialists on this forum? Oh, wait... their internet is blocked. You all reside in America and Europe, working and living in democratic and captalist countries. You talk about a Socialist revolution but yet live, raise your families and work happily in a captalist country. Makes me chuckle. :laugh:

And then you post threads and idolise the ideas and actions of Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot and Lenin, harking back to the great propaganda of the Soviet Union; driving down the highway screaming 'Ploterait of the world, unite!'.

Yes, they were great revolutionaries... in killing millions of their own and foreign people in the name of Socialism. Truly wonderful heroes. :lol:

This board is an insult to the people who died and worked under Socialism in countries like the Soviet Union and Cambodia.

The Hammer and Sickle has long since rusted into a blob of old, rugged and useless metal. The fact that out of 29,000 members there are only 1,800 shows this.


COMMUNISM CAN KISS MY DEMOCRATIC AND FREE ASS!


This link here is the Learning Forum. Since your original post is an incorrect representation of what leftists actually want I'd suggest you do some reading.


http://www.revleft.com/vb/oi-learning-f233/index.html

[danyboy27]

Isn't it more laughable that you've come onto the forum in the first place, then? What does that make you?


I've never done this, because 'ploterait' isn't a word.


ploterait is a word actually, its from the french verb pelotté (i might misspell it), or the action of fondling someone.

Je ploterais mean i would fondle.

i doubt he meant anything related to that but hey, i just wanted to contradict you.

[SacRedMan]

This link here is the Learning Forum. Since your original post is an incorrect representation of what leftists actually want I'd suggest you do some reading.


http://www.revleft.com/vb/oi-learning-f233/index.html

He won't learn nor seek for the reality on this forum. It's a troll, so I guess he's going back to his bridge.

[TheVoiceOfTheVoiceless]

This forum would truly be a comedy if it wasn't so sadly real.

Right off the bat I bet none of your 'ardent Socialists' have never lived in a Socialist country

You mean like Sweden?


like China for example.

China never has been and has never claimed to be a socialist system.
You all reside in America and Europe, working and living in democratic and captalist countries.

Actually, the US thrived as a social democratic system, which is socialism. You know, Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage and labour laws, environmental protection laws, progressive taxation, strong unions. As tyhe nation has backslid into capitalism, the US has been falling on the Human Development Index and Americans have gotten angry.

Americans like the word 'capitalism', but they have never liked capitalism itself. They have always preferred varying degrees of socialism.

And then you post threads and idolise the ideas and actions of Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot and Lenin, harking back to the great propaganda of the Soviet Union; driving down the highway screaming 'Ploterait of the world, unite!'.

There are many socialists and communists who oppose Stalinist or Maoist ideas and actions for a number of reasons. always have been. Trotsky and the Frankfurt Declaration come to mind.

[The Douche]

You mean like Sweden?



lol


China never has been and has never claimed to be a socialist system.

lolwut


Actually, the US thrived as a social democratic system, which is socialism

http://www.mamapop.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/lolcats-dude-wait-what.jpg

[Thirsty Crow]

Actually, the US thrived as a social democratic system, which is socialism...varying degrees of socialism...

No and no.
Socialism, is a mode of production different from capitalism in its very basic mechanisms (elimination of the relationship wage labour-capital, elimination of money as universal commodity, elimination of commodity production - production primarily for sale, and not use).
Social democracy is a political ideology which manages capitalist social relations in varying ways differently from, say, free market liberalism. But that does not mean it aims at or establishes socialism.

Since you use the term "socialism" the way you do, you also fall into the trap of concluding that varying degrees of socialism are possible. But that does not take into account the character of capitalist social relations which are produced on the basis of generalized commodity production. Therefore, socialized enterprises still function within the broader context of the capitalist world market and are subordinate to it.

If you'd insist that the way you use the term is correct, then what the hell, I would be forced to say that I'm an anti-socialist Communist.

[Ele'ill]

Thread Closed

[The Douche]

in before the lock

[Le Libérer]

in before the ban

[hatzel]

In before whoever the next poster is

[Metacomet]

The fact that out of 29,000 members there are only 1,800 shows this.

New sig quote!

[GallowsBird]

Also in.... not sure why this is still here.

[Proukunin]

he probably thinks obama is socialist too.

[hatzel]

he probably thinks obama is socialist too.You tellin' me he ain't?! :confused:

[Kamos]

Thank you very much for your educational post. Today, I have learned that China is a socialist country, that the correct word for proletariat is actually "ploterait", that you and your kin are actually free, and that out of 29,000 members there are only 1,800. It was a pleasure to read this thread.

[lines]

What about all the atrocities committed under capitalism, like the treatment of the Native Americans? Capitalism has a longer record of atrocity than communism does. I admit socialism and communism haven't been perfect in the past but we all try to learn from our mistakes and make sure the same mistakes don't happen again.


This forum would truly be a comedy if it wasn't so sadly real.

Right off the bat I bet none of your 'ardent Socialists' have never lived in a Socialist country, like China for example. Are there any Chinese Socialists on this forum? Oh, wait... their internet is blocked. You all reside in America and Europe, working and living in democratic and captalist countries. You talk about a Socialist revolution but yet live, raise your families and work happily in a captalist country. Makes me chuckle. :laugh:

And then you post threads and idolise the ideas and actions of Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot and Lenin, harking back to the great propaganda of the Soviet Union; driving down the highway screaming 'Ploterait of the world, unite!'.

Yes, they were great revolutionaries... in killing millions of their own and foreign people in the name of Socialism. Truly wonderful heroes. :lol:

This board is an insult to the people who died and worked under Socialism in countries like the Soviet Union and Cambodia.

The Hammer and Sickle has long since rusted into a blob of old, rugged and useless metal. The fact that out of 29,000 members there are only 1,800 shows this.


COMMUNISM CAN KISS MY DEMOCRATIC AND FREE ASS!

[lines]

You tellin' me he ain't?! :confused:

Obama is not a socialist at all, he is a tool of capitalism.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Thank you very much for your educational post. Today, I have learned that China is a socialist country, that the correct word for proletariat is actually "ploterait", that you and your kin are actually free, and that out of 29,000 members there are only 1,800. It was a pleasure to read this thread.

Yeah, what does this mean exactly? Out of 29,000 RevLeft members, only 1,800 are active? At first I thought it was referring to the membership of the CPRF but the numbers are way off for that. Claimed membership in the CPUS? This means nothing. Out of 29,000 Tea Party supporters, only 1,8000 have read a book in the past two years?

Anyway, at least now I know that out of 29,000 members there are only 1,800. Ya learn something new everyday!

[Ballyfornia]

Lines, Rabbi K was being sarcastic.

[danyboy27]

he played too much homefront i think.

[Le Libérer]

Obama is not a socialist at all, he is a tool of capitalism.

HAHA He said tool.

[Nolan]

Comrade Obama needs to step up his game and get the fema camps going.

[L.A.P.]

Actually, the US thrived as a social democratic system, which is socialism. You know, Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage and labour laws, environmental protection laws, progressive taxation, strong unions. As tyhe nation has backslid into capitalism, the US has been falling on the Human Development Index and Americans have gotten angry.


Must be one of those "European socialist I-support-medicare" Liberals. Just like Lawrence O'Donell.

[Viet Minh]

ploterait is a word actually, its from the french verb pelotté (i might misspell it), or the action of fondling someone.

Je ploterais mean i would fondle.

i doubt he meant anything related to that but hey, i just wanted to contradict you.

'fondlers of the World unite' :huh: :lol:



The Hammer and Sickle has long since rusted into a blob of old, rugged and useless metal. The fact that out of 29,000 members there are only 1,800 shows this.


And the fact that you are the stupidest poster out of those 29,000..

CONGRATULATIONS!! http://edschultz.invisionzone.com/public/style_emoticons/default/party.gif

[Le Libérer]

The fact that out of 29,000 members there are only 1,800 shows this.

New sig quote!

Win!

[Le Libérer]

'fondlers of the World unite' :huh: :lol:





Congrats L4L. You just earned a place in my sig. :lol:

[The Man]

This should go into the RevLeft Hall of Fame Thread.

[Le Libérer]

Anyone dare to close this thread will get their hand slapped!

[Nolan]

Looks like we all got something out of this. 3 of us got sig quotes and the troll got his lulz.

[RedAnarchist]

I think he means 1800 members are active members. Poor guy needs to proof read his posts before he unleashes them onto the forum. Of course, a better idea would be for some kind person to just gently remove him from the computer that he apparently has some idea how to use - I know, I'm confused as to how that happened as well - and give him some nice milk and cookies before sending him to bed.

[The Man]

And one member changed his name to "Out of 29,000 there are only 1,800"

[RedAnarchist]

Also...

[RedAnarchist]

Are there any Chinese Socialists on this forum? Oh, wait... their internet is blocked.

Wrong. We have some members from China who can access this site.


You all reside in America and Europe, working and living in democratic and captalist countries. Y

Actually, a lot of our members are also from South America, Oceania and Asia. Admittedly, most of our members are Americans, but that's hardly surprising given the demographics of who posts on English-language forums.

[RedAnarchist]

I edited your rep, Hereward. Lowest you can get. Because that's how much you've failed today.

[Kamos]

I edited your rep, Hereward. Lowest you can get. Because that's how much you've failed today.

:lol:

Owned to the power of 31.

[hatzel]

I edited your rep, Hereward. Lowest you can get. Because that's how much you've failed today.We'll just assume that mosfeld thanked the post sarcastically, then. Unless Maoists just lap this kind of shit up. I wouldn't be surprised, actually...:lol:

[The Man]

We'll just assume that mosfeld thanked the post sarcastically, then. Unless Maoists just lap this kind of shit up. I wouldn't be surprised, actually...:lol:

I thanked him, because he made me smile because of his stupidity.

[Sasha]

Troll bashing; what brings revleft together...

[Ocean Seal]

I just noticed that his username is also his reputation which happens to be -2,147,483,646. So I wonder if another user got below -2 billion on their rep mater
would they also be called a hereward.
Also hereward the United States is not democratic. And no shit were from capitalist countries. There is only one fucking socialist country left. :cool:

[RedStarOverChina]

Right off the bat I bet none of your 'ardent Socialists' have never lived in a Socialist country, like China for example.
Werd.

[RGacky3]

COMMUNISM CAN KISS MY DEMOCRATIC AND FREE ASS!


This dudes Ass is democratic, everyone has a say over what goes on in his ass.

[Kamos]

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/4567/philosoraptormemegenerad.jpg

[x371322]

I don't have any snide remarks. I just wanted to be included in the fun thread.

[L.A.P.]

This might be the first thread on RevLeft I like on Facebook.

This page would have two "likes" then, is that some sort of record?

[synthesis]

If I gave him rep, would that put him in the "Gracchus Babeuf" category?

Commencing...

[mosfeld]

We should try and get his rep back to normal. I don't like how it got reduced so much. Everybody thank him!

(yes, I realize this won't work. I just feel bad for him.. reminds me of comrade GracchusBabeuf.. rep-wise)

[Obs]

I tried to think of something witty to write but the only thing I can come up with is YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES I LOVE THIS THREAD

[Revolution starts with U]

Right off the bat I bet none of your 'ardent Socialists' have never lived in a Socialist country, like China for example.

Wait... did you just say you bet all of us have lived in a socialist country like China? NONE of you NEVER lived.... yep, sounds like all of us have lived in a socialist country....
When did that happen?

[hatzel]

Wait... did you just say you bet all of us have lived in a socialist country like China? NONE of you NEVER lived.... yep, sounds like all of us have lived in a socialist country....
When did that happen?What, didn't you get that memo?

http://bbcristian.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/obama-communist-leader.jpg

[synthesis]

Everyone five star this motherfucker

[Le Libérer]

Everyone five star this motherfucker
Fuck yeah!

Heres the dilemma. If I move it to a sticky in chit chat, we cant rep each other. I could sticky it in discrimination and dare a motherfucker to touch it, though it doesnt really belong there. Suggestions?

[synthesis]

Nah leave it or sticky it here

[hatzel]

Suggestions?Theory :thumbup:

[Ele'ill]

Don't move it to discrimination. :bored:

What about here in OI? Chit Chat works fine too.

[Manic Impressive]

chit chat please so it doesn't keep coming up on the latest posts bit.

[Revolution starts with U]

It's fine here

[hatzel]

chit chat please so it doesn't keep coming up on the latest posts bit.Manic, Manic, Manic...chit chat isn't the place for serious discussions on the desirability of socialism...

[#FF0000]

i love this thread

[Sasha]

This thread is the essence of OI, it needs to remain in its birthplace.

[hatzel]

i love this threadhttp://s3.amazonaws.com/DIYLOL/hfs/43c/d4b/463/resized/pedobear-meme-generator-ff0000-and-this-thread-sitting-in-a-tree-k-i-s-s-i-n-g-737bcc.jpg

[Le Libérer]

Ok I'll sticky it here, but if the OI mod has issues with it, its coming with us to Discrimination.

:thumbup:

[synthesis]

ploterait is a word actually, its from the french verb pelotté (i might misspell it), or the action of fondling someone.

Je ploterais mean i would fondle.

i doubt he meant anything related to that but hey, i just wanted to contradict you.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/DIYLOL/hfs/82e/d5e/903/resized/pedobear-meme-generator-ploterait-of-the-world-unite-147b85.jpg

[Ele'ill]

Ok I'll sticky it here, but if the OI mod has issues with it, its coming with us to Discrimination.

:thumbup:


Word on the street says that it might go missing rather quickly if placed in the Women's Struggle subforum.

[Rooster]

What, didn't you get that memo?

http://bbcristian.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/obama-communist-leader.jpg

http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/156147-1/Reaganomics.jpg

[Agent Ducky]

Lmao this thread is awesome. But why did everyone take all the good siggy quotes. That's what I get for being slow.

[Le Libérer]

Lmao this thread is awesome. But why did everyone take all the good siggy quotes. That's what I get for being slow.

Ducky use the ploterait avatar and become Comrade Ploterait Bear.

[Agent Ducky]

Ducky use the ploterait avatar and become Comrade Ploterait Bear.

Lol.

[hatzel]

Lmao this thread is awesome. But why did everyone take all the good siggy quotes. That's what I get for being slow.


http://s3.amazonaws.com/DIYLOL/hfs/f7c/9e0/8dd/resized/tech-impaired-duck-meme-generator-good-siggy-quote-me-too-slow-a8f526.jpg

[GPDP]

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/4503/1299305586186.jpg

THIS FUCKING THREAD

[synthesis]

OP and his profit from this thread:

http://www.trainingsalesandmarketing.com/files/2247182/uploaded/man_swimming_money_hg_clr.gif

[Ele'ill]

Their reputation is as follows:

Reputation: -2147483636

[TheVoiceOfTheVoiceless]

Must be one of those "European socialist I-support-medicare" Liberals. Just like Lawrence O'Donell.
Bourgeois Liberalism is little more than Objectionism's older cousin.

[Ele'ill]

Also- The reason we don't do the right thing when on an internet forum is because we don't get rep for it- as seen here in the only helpful post in the entire 5 pages

http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2085632&postcount=20

[Agent Ducky]

Also- The reason we don't do the right thing when on an internet forum is because we don't get rep for it- as seen here in the only helpful post in the entire 5 pages

http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2085632&postcount=20

I thanked that post. K?

[Nolan]

Bourgeois Liberalism is little more than Objectionism's older cousin.

I object! Objectivism is bourgeois liberalism.

[Revolution starts with U]

I mean, this is really a great troll when you break it down.

This forum would truly be a comedy if it wasn't so sadly real.
2 things here; one, I'm not sure "sadly" is a proper adverb. Moreover, "sadly real," what does that mean?
Secondly, this is deliberately playing on "underdog's remorse." The intro immediately draws up emotions of the "small man's syndrome" and is designed to put you on the defensive. You are likely to see, if anybody bites on this troll, responses like "we don't need your pity" or something along those lines.


Right off the bat I bet none of your 'ardent Socialists' have never lived in a Socialist country
You want to think here "man this guy has terrible grammar. Already 3 grammar fudges in two sentences." But check the rest of the thread; proper use of their, there, they're, didn't use the false ending of capitalist-ic (no ic), and proper seperation of paragraphs when diverging on a new idea. Something tells me this guy knows grammar. You may think, well maybe he just typed it fast, not thinking. But do you see any "hte" or "jsut" or othe rtypos?
But anyway, check out the grammar mistake (this is purposeful imo). What he is saying, inside this double negative, is that "we" "own" the "ardent socialists." As you can see, he didn't mess up his use of their/they're/there anywhere else, so I'm prone to think he knows the proper use of "your" as well. So, "he bets all of our ardent socialists have lived in a socialist country."


like China for example. Are there any Chinese Socialists on this forum? Oh, wait... their internet is blocked. You all reside in America and Europe, working and living in democratic and captalist countries. You talk about a Socialist revolution but yet live, raise your families and work happily in a captalist country. Makes me chuckle. :laugh:
This is just the brilliant part of it. What he is essentially saying is "I bet most of you english speakers speak english." But he puts it in such terms as to draw up an emotion of betrayal in you; to make you question your intentions. Forget that any revolution has to involve the people where it takes place.... you live in capitalism and should be ashamed! :lol:


And then you post threads and idolise the ideas and actions of Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot and Lenin, harking back to the great propaganda of the Soviet Union; driving down the highway screaming 'Ploterait of the world, unite!'.
In light of recent evidence, I have to guess he knew "ploterait" means "fondler." It's just such an odd mispelling of proletariat, that it can't be an accident. You can't phonetically turn "ploterait" to proletariat. This was purposeful.
Spealing of the USSR, if my hypothesis is correct (that this troll is intentional in every word) this guy would have had an easy job at Pravda :lol:


Yes, they were great revolutionaries... in killing millions of their own and foreign people in the name of Socialism. Truly wonderful heroes. :lol:

This board is an insult to the people who died and worked under Socialism in countries like the Soviet Union and Cambodia.
The poster gives no indication that he lived under socialism, nor knows anyone that did. He, in fact, indicates the opposite. This is another emotional grab, targeting your sense of regret.


The Hammer and Sickle has long since rusted into a blob of old, rugged and useless metal. The fact that out of 29,000 members there are only 1,800 shows this.
I mean, you have to have done at least some research to even know this. I didn't know about either of those numbers. But the grammatic way it is expressed is in the genius. Out of 29k total there are 1800 active? Out of 29k active, there are 1800 OI'ers? We don't know. He gives no indication for what this could mean. It's the hook in the troll, an obvious leaving out of information. Sure you can insult people, and make them question themselves, and draw upon emotions. That's the general purpose of trolling. But if you can make them not understand one small thing, and keep posting, it keeps the thread, and therefore, the troll alive. I mean, just brilliant.



COMMUNISM CAN KISS MY DEMOCRATIC AND FREE ASS!
Just fucking brilliant :lol:

[hatzel]

The OP's only here for the festivities...

http://musicreflections.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/funny-pictures-communist-cat-party.jpg

[synthesis]

...

You're overthinking it bro

[TheVoiceOfTheVoiceless]

No and no.
Socialism, is a mode of production



the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.Social democracy, like democratic socialism is a system that has been seen to emerge early in the socialist era of a given nation's development.


Social democracy is a political ideology which manages capitalist social relations in varying ways differently from, say, free market liberalism. But that does not mean it aims at or establishes socialism. See the Frankfurt Declaration. Social Democracy emerged as a faction within the Democratic Socialist movement.


Since you use the term "socialism" the way you doAccording to its definition...


, you also fall into the trap of concluding that varying degrees of socialism are possibleVarying systems are possible during the socialist stage and, with them, carrying degrees of collectivism.


I would be forced to say that I'm an anti-socialist Communist.
If you are a communist, you oppose socialism as an ends, just as many self-proclaimed socialists see socialism as the end and not a means to communism. Once again I refer to the Frankfurt Declaration and the Socialist International.

[TheVoiceOfTheVoiceless]

cmoney,
China never claimed to be socialist. It claims to be communist. It is, in reality, neither. As in the CCCP, the Party betrayed the revolution and established itself as the new ruling class.

[Viet Minh]

This board is an insult to the people who died and worked under Socialism in countries like the Soviet Union and Cambodia.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hzIySBjIfek/TWLEGH7rjaI/AAAAAAAAATQ/aWVERQF7oJc/s400/InSovietRussiaTelevisionWatchesYou%2521.gif
Did op imply the USSR was worked by zombies? :scared:

[Sasha]

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/4/21/75e11977-f781-4707-a455-fd209ba619ef.jpg

[Thug Lessons]

This forum would truly be a comedy if it wasn't so sadly real.

Right off the bat I bet none of your 'ardent Socialists' have never lived in a Socialist country, like China for example. Are there any Chinese Socialists on this forum? Oh, wait... their internet is blocked. You all reside in America and Europe, working and living in democratic and captalist countries. You talk about a Socialist revolution but yet live, raise your families and work happily in a captalist country. Makes me chuckle. :laugh:

And then you post threads and idolise the ideas and actions of Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot and Lenin, harking back to the great propaganda of the Soviet Union; driving down the highway screaming 'Ploterait of the world, unite!'.

Yes, they were great revolutionaries... in killing millions of their own and foreign people in the name of Socialism. Truly wonderful heroes. :lol:

This board is an insult to the people who died and worked under Socialism in countries like the Soviet Union and Cambodia.

The Hammer and Sickle has long since rusted into a blob of old, rugged and useless metal. The fact that out of 29,000 members there are only 1,800 shows this.


COMMUNISM CAN KISS MY DEMOCRATIC AND FREE ASS!


http://i.imgur.com/T4gaR.jpg

[DDR]

Ploterait of revleft unite, you have nothing to lose except your chains, and you'll win an epic troll bashing!

[Le Libérer]

This THREAD should win the Golden Che award!!!

[Sadena Meti]

I want to see Hewards's rep -2,147,483,593 get so low (high) that it causes a buffer / rollover error. There has to be a limit to the variable for rep, 2 to the something. He's very close to -(2^31) -2,147,483,648. Try to get it to exceed the 32nd power. -4,294,967,296

[hatzel]

This THREAD should win the Golden Che award!!!
http://s3.amazonaws.com/DIYLOL/hfs/b23/e9d/c37/resized/business-cat-meme-generator-business-this-thread-sure-as-hell-means-it-acc240.jpg

[Le Libérer]

I want to see Hewards's rep get so low (high) that it causes a buffer / rollover error. There has to be a limit to the variable for rep, 2 to the something. He's very close to -(2^31). Try to get it to exceed the 32 power. 4,294,967,296

We should build it up, then wipe it out.

[Sadena Meti]

We should build it up, then wipe it out.

I willing to bet it is a 64 bit variable (because dedicating 128 bits is silly, but then again so is 64, but it has to be at least that much), which means 32 positive and 32 negative, so if it goes lower than -4,294,967,296, it will either crash or roll over to POSITIVE 4,294,967,296, at which point he becomes the rep god and can wipe out anyone he pleases.

[DDR]

http://desmotivaciones.es/demots/201104/lennyy10.jpg

[☭The Revolution☭]

http://i52.tinypic.com/2u9287q.jpg

[Le Libérer]

I willing to bet it is a 64 bit variable (because dedicating 128 bits is silly, but then again so is 64, but it has to be at least that much), which means 32 positive and 32 negative, so if it goes lower than -4,294,967,296, it will either crash or roll over to POSITIVE 4,294,967,296, at which point he becomes the rep god and can wipe out anyone he pleases.

^^^^
Meme for this please.

[Bud Struggle]

Of course he's not Restricted. :)

[Ele'ill]

^^^^
Meme for this please.

Did you know he was in prison once?

[DDR]

http://www.zcommunications.org/FCKFiles/image/dec07zmoimages/chomsky1.JPG

[Red Commissar]

I'm late to the party but I'd might as well leave my mark in here. I can't spam an image macro because I don't know what hasn't been spammed. Yet.

This thread would've ascended to another level of awesome had sunfarstar posted in here.

[Le Libérer]

Did you know he was in prison once?

No, three times.

[Skooma Addict]

How in gods name does someones rep get that low? I assume it was the work of a mod? That is hilarious. :laugh:

[Le Libérer]

How in gods name does someones rep get that low? I assume it was the work of a mod? That is hilarious. :laugh:

Thats admin work, baby. Thats why we get paid the big bucks.

Even the url is win.
http://www.revleft.com/vb/laughable-forum-laughable-t153446/index.html?t=153446

[Le Libérer]

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g17/tmt45z9/freeass.jpg

[redsky]

Hey, idiot- it's late and I won't waste time. Go fuck yourself.

[Rusty Shackleford]

This in itself is an achievement.


Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 2
Rep Power: 0
Reputation: -2147483599

[JazzRemington]

So I herd this thread is party.

[DDR]

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj185/kompik/_edc_InternationalCC.jpg

[hatzel]

This thread would've ascended to another level of awesome had sunfarstar posted in here.You know he was going to but then he remembered that there are no Chinese Socialists on here because nobody's allowed any internets in a socialist utopia :)

[GallowsBird]

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff517/Comrade_Number_One/motivator32ea060e89022aa5c686b35d98218a214e461b74. jpg



http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff517/Comrade_Number_One/qgqw65mig0.jpg

[Che a chara]

^^^^ :lol: :lol: all mad bastards, the lot of youse :lol: :lol:^^^^

lots and lots of lulz

[Sadena Meti]

No, three times.

Twice (counting by periods of incarceration). Two jails, one federal detention center (really just part of a county jail), and two prisons (well, the two were just the same ones twice, Dodge and Kettle Morraine.)

[RedAnarchist]

This in itself is an achievement.

I actually lowered it to something like -9999999999999999 but it seems that you can't change it to such a low number.

[RedAnarchist]

New avatar for hereward!

[Sadena Meti]

I actually lowered it to something like -9999999999999999 but it seems that you can't change it to such a low number.

See, there's a variable bit limit. Try 5 billion.

[RedAnarchist]

See, there's a variable bit limit. Try 5 billion.

Tried it but it went back to the number it currently is.

[Viet Minh]

Tried it but it went back to the number it currently is.

Can you give him the location of 'Free and Democratic ass'

[Sadena Meti]

Tried it but it went back to the number it currently is.

Try -4,294,967,296 and if that doesn't work -4,294,967,295

I'm really beting on a 64 bit variable here.

[Sadena Meti]

I think this would make a better avatar:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Anorectum.gif

[RedAnarchist]

Try -4,294,967,296 and if that doesn't work -4,294,967,295

I'm really beting on a 64 bit variable here.

Nope, neither worked.

[RedAnarchist]

I think this would make a better avatar:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Anorectum.gif

I've changed it.

[Sadena Meti]

Nope, neither worked.

Well there goes my Computer Science degree down the drain.

[RedAnarchist]

I want him to come and read this thread, and just see the reaction.

[Le Libérer]

Can you give him the location of 'Free and Democratic ass'

I set his homepage to
Http://afreeanddemocraticass.com

[Dimmu]

Probably someone from free republic.

Also awesome that some new memes were born this thread. :laugh:

[Sadena Meti]

I want him to come and read this thread, and just see the reaction.

Print it out to a PDF and email it to him.

[RedAnarchist]

Probably someone from free republic.

Also awesome that some new memes were born this thread. :laugh:

He's got a co.uk email address and is using Tiscali/TalkTalk broadband. Probably some Tory supporter. I can pinpoint where his computer is to a city and it's outskirts, but I won't say where it is. It's in England, though.

[RedAnarchist]

Print it out to a PDF and email it to him.

No need to print it out, you can email the link to someone.

[Dimmu]

He's got a co.uk email address and is using Tiscali/TalkTalk broadband. Probably some Tory supporter.

Ok,

He probably had nothing to do while waiting for the royal wedding.

[Sadena Meti]

No need to print it out, you can email the link to someone.
Yeah but I think actually sending it to him as an attachment would make it more likely for him to read it. Vs. come back to the site you trolled with 2 posts and read 8 pages of posts.

[RedAnarchist]

Yeah but I think actually sending it to him as an attachment would make it more likely for him to read it. Vs. come back to the site you trolled with 2 posts and read 8 pages of posts.

Yeah, I could.

[Leonid Brozhnev]

He'll be killing time to the referendum... so he can tick that 'No' box with all his mighty unweilding god-like democratic powers like Cameron told him to... then sneak in a quick fap when he gets home because Democracy is teh awsurms for free asses.

[Sadena Meti]

He's got a co.uk email address and is using Tiscali/TalkTalk broadband. Probably some Tory supporter. I can pinpoint where his computer is to a city and it's outskirts, but I won't say where it is. It's in England, though.


Oh come on, let's go for maximum paranoia and invasion of privacy. Give me all the information, then I'll try to Social Engineer his account information from his provider (a decade ago I was quite good at getting information from the gas/electric/water utilities on unlisted numbers), and post his address and phone number. Imagine the calls he'll get.

[RedAnarchist]

Oh come on, let's go for maximum paranoia and invasion of privacy. Give me all the information, then I'll try to Social Engineer his account information from his provider (a decade ago I was quite good at getting information from the gas/electric/water utilities on unlisted numbers), and post his address and phone number. Imagine the calls he'll get.

Whilst that would be funny, I don't think I'll be giving out the information.

[Le Libérer]

Yeah but I think actually sending it to him as an attachment would make it more likely for him to read it. Vs. come back to the site you trolled with 2 posts and read 8 pages of posts.

Sent.

[Meridian]

Out of 29000 there is only a percentage of 6.206896551724138.

[Sadena Meti]

Out of 29000 there is only a percentage of 6.206896551724138.

I think you'll find it's 6.02214179 (bonus points to whoever figures that out without using Google or Wikipedia. I'll give you a hint. 10^23 but don't look it up!)

[Red Commissar]

What do moles have to do with this

[RedAnarchist]

What do moles have to do with this

That's no mole, it be a rectum!

[ComradeMan]

None of you thought that this guy can also trace stuff like IP's etc if you send e-mails?

FFS- we can't have a sports thread and this load of shit gets stickied...
:(

[Le Libérer]

None of you thought that this guy can also trace stuff like IP's etc if you send e-mails?



No if you send via revleft through the admin tool ;)

[ComradeMan]

No if you send via revleft through the admin tool ;)

I'm not so sure- but then I'm the Cold War generation so I don't trust anyone ;).
:lol:

[dernier combat]

None of you thought that this guy can also trace stuff like IP's etc if you send e-mails?

FFS- we can't have a sports thread and this load of shit gets stickied...
:(
IP tracing is far from accurate. I can trace my IP to the Melbourne CBD at best, and I live 25km away.

[Sadena Meti]

IP tracing is far from accurate. I can trace my IP to the Melbourne CBD at best, and I live 25km away.
Strangely phone traces can be as bad. Mine traces to West Bend, WI and I live 15 miles away. And the funny thing is it is listed as a landline! (It's a cell). If the police ever trace me, god knows whose door they will be kicking in. A screw up by the phone company that I am very grateful for.
My IP traces to Milwaukee, WI and I live 20 miles away from that.

[☭The Revolution☭]

Today's lulzworthy troll thread is brought to you in part by....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3wtUCPWmeI

[JerryBiscoTrey]

Today's lulzworthy troll thread is brought to you in part by....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3wtUCPWmeI

we're number 1!

http://pophangover.com/wp-content/themes/arthemia/scripts/timthumb.php?src=//wp-content/uploads/the-usa-number-1.jpg&w=550&h=550&zc=1&q=400

[Sadena Meti]

we're number 1!

http://pophangover.com/wp-content/themes/arthemia/scripts/timthumb.php?src=//wp-content/uploads/the-usa-number-1.jpg&w=550&h=550&zc=1&q=400

Reporting can skew these figures. You die in a third world country, you're just put in the ground, no cause of death. You get raped in some African conflict, it doesn't get reported for statistics.

[Ele'ill]

Reporting can skew these figures. You die in a third world country, you're just put in the ground, no cause of death. You get raped in some African conflict, it doesn't get reported for statistics.

It would depend on the length of time information was gathered for these topics. Would population size matter as well? - I'm not sure that it would.

[Kamos]

I think you'll find it's 6.02214179 (bonus points to whoever figures that out without using Google or Wikipedia. I'll give you a hint. 10^23 but don't look it up!)

Avogadro's number or however it's called. Bonus points please. :3

[TheVoiceOfTheVoiceless]

You know he was going to but then he remembered that there are no Chinese Socialists on here because nobody's allowed any internets in a socialist utopia :)

*looks over at chinese sweatshops*

Socialist?

[TheVoiceOfTheVoiceless]

I think this would make a better avatar:



Replace the labels with 'democratic' and 'free'

[TheVoiceOfTheVoiceless]

Strangely phone traces can be as bad. Mine traces to West Bend, WI and I live 15 miles away. And the funny thing is it is listed as a landline! (It's a cell). If the police ever trace me, god knows whose door they will be kicking in. A screw up by the phone company that I am very grateful for.
My IP traces to Milwaukee, WI and I live 20 miles away from that.

They'd do better looking at the Caller ID :lol:

[hatzel]

*looks over at chinese sweatshops*

Socialist?Sarcasm's lost on you, isn't it? Have you been reading this thread, or...? :confused:

[Le Libérer]

It would depend on the length of time information was gathered for these topics. Would population size matter as well? - I'm not sure that it would.

I write statistical reporting of HIV cases all the time. Most statistics are based on per capita information, so yes population density is taken in consideration.

Now,carry on!

[Sadena Meti]

They'd do better looking at the Caller ID :lol:

And the caller ID would lead them to an apartment in West Bend. Or condo, can't tell from the address. But not my house :)

[Pretty Flaco]

The United States is really a communist totalitarian dictatorship run by puppets of the USSR, which still exists. DONT BELIEVE THE LIES

[Tim Finnegan]

The United States is really a communist totalitarian dictatorship run by puppets of the USSR, which still exists. DONT BELIEVE THE LIES
U2FpDtqUQIo

[GPDP]

http://mononoaware.concretebadger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/people-die-if-they-are-killed.jpg

How did Thug Lessons forget this one.

[Agent Ducky]

Ducky use the ploterait avatar and become Comrade Ploterait Bear.

I would do that, but Pedobear actually scares the shit out of me. Lol.

[hatzel]

Pedobear actually scares the shit out of meSomewhere in here there's some kind of absolutely disgusting joke to be made about...ah...behind-loving...but I refuse to be the one to try to put it into words...

[Pretty Flaco]

U2FpDtqUQIo

I think I might change my avatar to zombie simpson lenin soon. lol

[synthesis]

Here's hoping that we'll need "A laughable forum of laughable people, Part II" soon

Get on it, people

[JazzRemington]

Here's hoping that we'll need "A laughable forum of laughable people, Part II" soon

Get on it, people

Well, he DID make a 2nd post...

[Lenina Rosenweg]

That post must be the most thanked post in RevLeft history and the poster has the lowest possible rep.This thread is the best laugh I've had all week.

[dernier combat]

That post must be the most thanked post in RevLeft history and the poster has the lowest possible rep.This thread is the best laugh I've had all week.
I think just recently there was a post by Nothing Human is Alien which got in the vicinity of 50 thanks. Or I may be going insane.

[Agent Ducky]

Somewhere in here there's some kind of absolutely disgusting joke to be made about...ah...behind-loving...but I refuse to be the one to try to put it into words...

COMRADE YOU JUSt PUT NOT-OK IMAGES IN MY HEAD O_O
lol

[La Comédie Noire]

This is better than that guy from Israel who was doing a paper on the left.

[Nanatsu Yoru]

Is this stickied? Cause if it's not, it should be :D

EDIT: It is. Welcome to OI :thumbup1:

[hatzel]

COMRADE YOU JUSt PUT NOT-OK IMAGES IN MY HEAD O_O
lol
http://www.graffiti.org/dj/n-igma10/illegals/large/soz.jpg

[Q]

Damn you all for making me choke of laughter.

[Ele'ill]

Thread closed.

[Sasha]

thread opened

[Ele'ill]

http://images.memegenerator.net/Alice-lookatdat/File/8996/Alice-lookatdat.jpg

[Sasha]

http://www.fortliberty.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/dont-tread-on-me.jpg

[Dhul_Fiqar]

I haven't finished reading the thread, there is so much there, but awesome stuff overall. I'm so proud I need to dry a tear... ;)

--- G.

[Dhul Fiqar]

Oops, wrong account :)

[danyboy27]

we should just merge every HAHA thread into this one.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Hereward has 42 thanks. Think we can get it up to 50? 100?

On his one other post, on the Stalin thread he posed as someone who wanted to "protect Lenin's communism".

[The Man]

I love Revleft

[psgchisolm]

I just remembered why I love OI.:laugh: It's the only pace trolling is the norm.

OP's new house
http://s3.amazonaws.com/files.posterous.com/temp-2010-05-28/dhkHdDjueGxynuHpruuFJmmcEatDylCBnbcuopAggEsaHtmhEG xEJwHloayd/2010_aus_most_expensive_bridge.png.scaled1000.png? AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJFZAE65UYRT34AOQ&Expires=1303674903&Signature=l%2Fkmjs33O3Sj8pEk7pAlErujIIY%3D

[Viet Minh]

Hereward has 42 thanks. Think we can get it up to 50? 100?

On his one other post, on the Stalin thread he posed as someone who wanted to "protect Lenin's communism".

Done!

I just remembered why I love OI.:laugh: It's the only pace trolling is the norm.



http://www.the-games-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/I-see-what-you-did-there-Fry.jpg

[Lanky Wanker]

You all reside in America and Europe, working and living in democratic and captalist countries. You talk about a Socialist revolution but yet live, raise your families and work happily in a captalist country. Makes me chuckle. :laugh:

so I guess this is our eviction notice; every socialist in europe and america must now move to china!

[altnet]

What a shame to lose such a great mind with such profound philosophical sentiment such as:

The fact that out of 29,000 members there are only 1,800 shows this.
I for one miss our resident dunce, he will not be soon forgotten. Thanks for the laugh comrade :laugh:

[☭The Revolution☭]

I think we can get OP's likes up to 1,800. WHO'S WITH ME?

[altnet]

I think we can get OP's likes up to 1,800. WHO'S WITH ME?

We should indeed strive for this goal, although it appears the fact that out of 29,000 members there are only 56 shows this.:D

[DrStrangelove]

Whenever I feel stupid, I like to read this thread to make myself feel smart again.

[El Chuncho]

Whenever I feel hungry I read this thread...


And still feel hungry for some reason. :crying:

[PhoenixAsh]

I seriously need in on this thread...:) Again...arriving late to the party...


All users after this are rick rolled

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/3917/rickbondxx9.jpg

[DrStrangelove]

I seriously need in on this thread...:) Again...arriving late to the party...


All users after this are rick rolled

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/3917/rickbondxx9.jpg
Don't fret! Because his ass is free and democratic, all members have a say in its distribution.

[Chairman Wow]

How can a blob be rugged?

[El Chuncho]

How can a blob be rugged?

I don't know, how can a blob be rugged?

(Sounds like the makings of a great joke, actually).

[Pretty Flaco]

wtf did i just read

[PhoenixAsh]

wtf did i just read

now...I am very sure you know that this thread has been a troll thread.
every post in here has been a troll post and not anything to take seriously.
very few users actually have anything useful to add, myself included, and
everybody is just generally having a good time. As I understand it the OP is
really just trying to rattle out cages.

given the very funny remarks the OP must be considered a real commedian
of sorts and has probably attempted to make our day a little more joyous.
now, taking his first sentence about none of us having lived in China or us
not having any Chinese socialists because their internet is blocked. That's
a real whopper right there. It seriously made me chuckle.

going on to the next part about the ploteriat. That was some clever and
intelligent witticism. I almost missed it. First I mistakingly thought it some
very stupid type-o. But after having given it some thought it probable was
exactly what he meant. You really have to appreciate its subtility.

you might say he went a little bit overboard with borderline remarks about
our heroes causing millions of deaths. But then again there is some clever
unnoticeable (almost) witticism there as well as indicated by the smilie.

upon evaluation of his closing remarks about democraticing his ass I seriously
personally think this is the best first post I have ever seen on here.

[El Chuncho]

wtf did i just read

The written form of diarrhea? :mellow:

[Decolonize The Left]

This should be renamed "The Official OI Chit Chat Thread: Where when you thought it couldn't get worse, you realize you were wrong."

- August

[Optiow]

You think capitalism is democratic...in its own little ignorant way that's so cute :lol:

[DrStrangelove]

I personally believe this thread should be renamed RevLeft: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Trolls

[Ele'ill]

I personally believe this thread should be renamed RevLeft: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Trolls

I totally agree.

As it's being retitled during its move to the trashcan

[Catmatic Leftist]

If you hover over the reputation bar it says "Hereward."

His trolling is so epic that he got a special reputation status named after him. :laugh:

[The Man]

http://www.myspacefx.net/import/graphics/Funny_Graphics_and_Pics/lol-cats_i-love-this-thread-so-much.jpg

[El Chuncho]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_N0qfjpJBHrI/TChPGGb-PBI/AAAAAAAAAaI/d50cDdE60so/s1600/633611418566621433-Democracy.jpg

[Spets]

FREE ASS!

Do want.

[Le Libérer]

I dont know August, how can you beat, "Laughable forum Laughable" And the software created it!

[ComradeMan]

If you hover over the reputation bar it says "Hereward."

Hereward the Wake, 11th century Anglo-Saxon warrior who fought the Normans... hmm.... I wonder if he has runic tattoos.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hereward_the_Wake

[El Chuncho]

I wonder if he has runic tattoos.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hereward_the_Wake

He shouldn't, the real, and somewhat more heroic, Hereward the Wake would have used the Latin alphabet if he wanted to write. The English futhorc runes (or rouns if the word wasn't revived) were all but replaced by Latin by the 9th century CE.

The Real Hereward the Wake was an interesting figure as his exploits were told in folklore, and he is probably the main inspiration for Robin Hood. The most interesting thing about him is that he may have been a rebel against King Edward The Confessor and his Norman lords, rather than just being a resistance fighter against the Norman monarchy post-1066.

[ComradeMan]

He shouldn't, the real, and somewhat more heroic, Hereward the Wake would have used the Latin alphabet if he wanted to write. The English futhorc runes (or rouns if the word wasn't revived) were all but replaced by Latin by the 9th century CE.

The Real Hereward the Wake was an interesting figure as his exploits were told in folklore, and he is probably the main inspiration for Robin Hood. The most interesting thing about him is that he may have been a rebel against King Edward The Confessor and his Norman lords, rather than just being a resistance fighter against the Norman monarchy post-1066.

I did read he had tattoos somewhere and was half-pagan or something. But, much like Robin Hood- the truth and the legend are so mixed it's hard to tell.

As I understood it, there was a "Robin" figure- a bandit who became a legend in the time of John Lackland.

Edward the Confessor was not the Norman, that was William I- wasn't it?
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[Tim Finnegan]

I did read he had tattoos somewhere and was half-pagan or something. But, much like Robin Hood- the truth and the legend are so mixed it's hard to tell.
He probably had some, yeah- they were quite popular among the Early Medieval Germanic and Celtic peoples, particularly the nobility, and only fell out of common usage during the period of Normanisation. The Roman church had stamped them out during its earlier anti-pagan campaigns, while the English and Celtic churches had come to accommodate them (going so far as to declare religious tattoos as commendable displays of piety) because they lacked the same political clout in their early days, and had to accommodate more pre-Christian traditions.


Edward the Confessor was not the Norman, that was William I- wasn't it?
:confused:Edward was nominally Saxon, but he had a Norman mother and spent much of his youth there. Much of his reign consisted in trying to Normanise England- in many ways laying the groundwork for the later Norman conquest- and part of this involved inviting a number of Norman nobles and clergymen to England with him, although most were expelled in the reign of his anti-Norman successor, Harold Godwinson.

[Pretty Flaco]

I was at a friends house, we looked at his fish tank and a thought came to his head, "How in the fuck do fish fuck?"

[Viet Minh]

I was at a friends house, we looked at his fish tank and a thought came to his head, "How in the fuck do fish fuck?"

At a guess, back to back? Some lay eggs on a riverbed which the male fertilises

[The Man]

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[El Chuncho]

I did read he had tattoos somewhere and was half-pagan or something. But, much like Robin Hood- the truth and the legend are so mixed it's hard to tell.

Half-pagan is unlikely and impossible at the era (though heathen practices continued, the people were Christian), he was most likely Anglo-Dane though (his father was most likely called Asketil, and his uncle was certainly called Brand, another Norse name) like Harold Godwinson. Contrary to the probable rabid imagines of his lackluster namesake, Hereward was not ''fighting the filthy foreigners'', only a tyrant class that started to invade covertly in the era of Edward The Confessor (who was raised in Normandy, as Tim pointed out and I should have initially), and overtly after Hastings.

[ComradeMan]

Half-pagan is unlikely and impossible at the era (though heathen practices continued, the people were Christian), he was most likely Anglo-Dane though (his father was most likely called Asketil, and his uncle was certainly called Brand, another Norse name) like Harold Godwinson. Contrary to the probable rabid imagines of his lackluster namesake, Hereward was not ''fighting the filthy foreigners'', only a tyrant class that started to invade covertly in the era of Edward The Confessor (who was raised in Normandy, as Tim pointed out and I should have initially), and overtly after Hastings.

Wasn't his mother Lady Godiva?

I prefer the Normans to be honest...

[GallowsBird]

Wasn't his mother Lady Godiva?

I prefer the Normans to be honest...

Why? Is this a joke?

Incidentally as I think of Hereward as one of the great heroes of England (albeit not in quite the same way as say Wat Tyler, John Ball or Winstanley) I am a bit saddened that on this site the name of "Hereward" will always be associated with the original poster on this thread rather than a man who fought against the imperial aspirations of the Norman conquerors. :(

[El Chuncho]

Wasn't his mother Lady Godiva?

I prefer the Normans to be honest...

That is your problem, they were less progressive and invaders. :cool: :laugh:

[GallowsBird]

As I understood it, there was a "Robin" figure- a bandit who became a legend in the time of John Lackland.

Only in the minds of Victorians.:lol: Originally the folk ballads of Robin Hood didn't have a concrete setting and the placing of Robin Hood in the reigns of Richard and/or John was mostly borrowed from works of Victorian literature (such as Walter Scott's Ivanhoe) along with many other parts of the legend (such as him having been a crusader). Many have made claims that a real Robin Hood would have been around the time of Edward Longshanks (due to when the ballads were originally from) though some think he is inspired by figures such as Waltheof, Hereward and Wild Edric that were around at the time of and slightly after the Norman invasion. Others think there was no Robin Hood at all or that Robin Hood is a term for "robber" or "outlaw" and a character was created out of tales of outlaws without actually (originally) representing an actual mane, rather an archetype. This last view isn't completely unlikely and the term did denote "outlaw" though this may have been a consequence of the ballads rather than the origin. I personally think the character is inspired by various rebels and outlaws and represents the angst of the lower orders of medieval society more than anything.

[Viet Minh]

Only in the minds of Victorians.:lol: Originally the folk ballads of Robin Hood didn't have a concrete setting and the placing of Robin Hood in the reigns of Richard and/or John was mostly borrowed from works of Victorian literature (such as Walter Scott's Ivanhoe) along with many other parts of the legend (such as him having been a crusader). Many have made claims that a real Robin Hood would have been around the time of Edward Longshanks (due to when the ballads were originally from) though some think he is inspired by figures such as Waltheof, Hereward and Wild Edric that were around at the time of and slightly after the Norman invasion. Others think there was no Robin Hood at all or that Robin Hood is a term for "robber" or "outlaw" and a character was created out of tales of outlaws without actually (originally) representing an actual mane, rather an archetype. This last view isn't completely unlikely and the term did denote "outlaw" though this may have been a consequence of the ballads rather than the origin. I personally think the character is inspired by various rebels and outlaws and represents the angst of the lower orders of medieval society more than anything.

Some say he was inspired by William Wallace which is intriguing...

[GallowsBird]

Some say he was inspired by William Wallace which is intriguing...

Yes. I don't believe that at all oddly enough... as much as I'd like Robin Hood to be a borderer, I really can't find any reason to believe he was the inspiration for Robin Hood.
Though Wallace was a minor member of the Norman aristocracy.

But yes it is an interesting claim, which I have heard a few times before.

[ComradeMan]

That is your problem, they were less progressive and invaders. :cool: :laugh:

The Norman kingdom of Sicily was an example of enlightenment and religious tolerance for its times. The Normans also reformed a lot and laid the foundations of modern England- parliamentary democracy and Magna Carta etc etc. I am not saying they were nice guys etc... But, overall- they were more progressive in many ways than the Saxons.

As for invaders... what about the Saxons? :rolleyes: I think the Britons might have something to say about that... LOL!!!

You Saxons are just bitter because you got your asses kicked at 1066.... hahaha Harold should have worn protective goggles as modern Health and Safety regulations would stipulate! LOL!!!

[El Chuncho]

The Norman kingdom of Sicily was an example of enlightenment and religious tolerance for its times.

Shame they didn't bring any of that to England. :rolleyes:




The Normans also reformed a lot and laid the foundations of modern England- parliamentary democracy and Magna Carta etc etc. I am not saying they were nice guys etc...

The Norman got rid of the more deomocratic Witangemot in the first place though, the Magna Carter was a good thing though, even if it wasn't quite in the short term.




As for invaders... what about the Saxons? :rolleyes:

I never defended them. The Saxons (who only make up one group in the Anglo-Saxon bracket), however, were one of many mass-ethnic groups of people moving from their traditional home land for a mixture of reasons such as baby-booms, the lack of land in northern Germany and southern Jutland (it was sinking) and different factions of northern tribes. The Normans, however, were a small upper-class group who conquered England so their duke could have a throne to himself. Can you see the difference?

[ComradeMan]

Shame they didn't bring any of that to England. :rolleyes:

Anglo-Saxon England was rich in "slaves" amongst other things....


The Norman got rid of the more deomocratic Witangemot in the first place though, the Magna Carter was a good thing though, even if it wasn't quite in the short term.

The witana gemot was only composed of noble men, like a kind of primitive senate- not particularly democratic if you weren't a nobleman.


The Normans, however, were a small upper-class group who conquered England so their duke could have a throne to himself. Can you see the difference?

....and this Duke was actually a relative of Harold anyway, they were basically two "Germanic" tribes of cousins, one tribe just happened to speak French. Anyway, Edward the Confessor promised the throne to William who also had Papal Blessing- so.... I believe William and Edward were both descended from Ethelred the Unready as well.

[GallowsBird]

The Norman kingdom of Sicily was an example of enlightenment and religious tolerance for its times.

It may have been but the opposite was true in England.


The Normans also reformed a lot and laid the foundations of modern England-

Not really, the basis of most English law was from the pre-Norman era. It was formally "codified" by Alfred of Wessex and based on older tribal, and sadly, religious laws.


parliamentary democracy

Wrong! The Norman system of government was even less democratic than the English one. At least in Norman England they had a form of election in which the King was elected by the Witan.

True "parliamentary democracy" (if it is even that) was a lot later than the true Norman era, being a product of the modern era.:rolleyes:


and Magna Carta etc etc.

Although good did eventually come of the Magna Carter it was actually only a charter that removed some of the power of the king and gave more to the nobles. The peasants were still heavily disenfrachised.


I am not saying they were nice guys etc...

Good, good.


But, overall- they were more progressive in many ways than the Saxons.

Firstly "Saxon" is an incorrect term as after it was unified (or before that around the time of Bede) they were English and before that only those in Wessex, Essex and Sussex were "Saxon".


As for invaders... what about the Saxons? :rolleyes:

No one is denying that they did invade the British Isles, as did the Brythons (Welsh, Cornish) and the Gaels (Irish and Highland Scots) et cetera but there is a difference between agricultural peoples migrating and settling a territory and an invader who conquers a country and oppressed the people of that country who are now the slaves of said invaders (Note: No matter what anyone tells you a "serf" is a type of slave... one who pays the lord to be his slave in fact).


I think the Britons might have something to say about that... LOL!!!

Yes they do. There are tonnes of poems on the subject and Normanised/Frankicised Arthurian literary tales also.


You Saxons are just bitter because you got your asses kicked at 1066....

I'm not firstly a Saxon (well as I am part West Saxon I guess I am partly) I am a Northumbrian (who were Angles incidentally).


hahaha Harold should have worn protective goggles as modern Health and Safety regulations would stipulate! LOL!!!

Except it is unlikely that Harold died by being shot in the eye... he was actually gut down by four Norman knights (Note: however "knight" is actually not the term they used as it is from the Old English "cniht" meaning "servant" or "follower").

And sorry if I don't find jokes about men who fought hard and died at Senlac very funny, even if it is long ago, as if they won that day then a lot of the problems of modern Britain would most likely be around.

[GallowsBird]

Anglo-Saxon England was rich in "slaves" amongst other things....

As was much of Europe at the time. And in England the percentage of slaves (while too high) was lower than many places (such as truely feudal countries, as England became in the post-Norman era). By far the majority were ceorlas or churls who were freemen. This was in opposition to the Frankish inspired countries in which serfs were by far the majority.




The witana gemot was only composed of noble men, like a kind of primitive senate- not particularly democratic if you weren't a nobleman.

No one said they were truly democratic just more so than the rulers of the Norman "empire" which being based on the Frankish system believed in a "divinely appointed" monarch.




....and this Duke was actually a relative of Harold anyway, they were basically two "Germanic" tribes of cousins

No he was related to Edward the Confessor... he was only somewhat connected to Harold Godwinsson due to Harold marrying Edward's sister.


one tribe just happened to speak French.

And? They were still distinct peoples.


Anyway, Edward the Confessor promised the throne to William

As he did to Edgar Atheling (the last pre-Norman king) who was deemed too young by the Witan, Harold and his brother Tostig... who knows who else he promised it to! Not that this mattered as under English law of the time the Witan chose the monarch not the deceased king.


who also had Papal Blessing-

So? Who cares what a corrupt, easy to bribe, "priest" thinks. And he regretted it himself when he heard about the Norman atrocities in England... and this was a savage time so the Normans must have been quite bad to be noticed at the time.


so.... I believe William and Edward were both descended from Ethelred the Unready as well.

William wasn't, he was related to Edward because Edward's mother was a Norman.

[ComradeMan]

No one said they were truly democratic just more so than the rulers of the Norman "empire" which being based on the Frankish system believed in a "divinely appointed" monarch..

Unless you were a Briton- i.e. "welsh" a foreigner in your own land.... :rolleyes:


No he was related to Edward the Confessor... he was only somewhat connected to Harold Godwinsson due to Harold marrying Edward's sister...

So they were related.....


As he did to Edgar Atheling (the last pre-Norman king) who was deemed too young by the Witan, Harold and his brother Tostig... who knows who else he promised it to! Not that this mattered as under English law of the time the Witan chose the monarch not the deceased king....

Well then the Saxon king Edward is to blame....


William wasn't, he was related to Edward because Edward's mother was a Norman.

So they were related.... :rolleyes:

If you look at these dynasties they were all inter-related one way or another so really these are the wars of the dynasties. The Normans maintained a lot of Anglo-Saxon custom and Law anyway, such as the shire courts.

Generally speaking, they may have been harsh, but they were also progressive.

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[El Chuncho]

Unless you were a Briton- i.e. "welsh" a foreigner in your own land.... :rolleyes:

Because mass migrations of people is the same as an ethnic over-lass invading. :rolleyes: Almost all countries at the times were rich in slaves, no one is saying that pre-Norman England was without problems and a progressive paradise for this day and age, but you have to see it in the context of the time. Anglo-Saxon England was more progressive and the populace had a better standard of living (most being ceorle, which just means man but become an insult in the Norman era) than during Norman England.




So they were related.....

William was not, however, related to Ethelred as you claimed.




Well then the Saxon king Edward is to blame....

If we are top be technical, he was a Norman, as his mother was Norman and he grew up in Normandy, however, the fact that he was ''Saxon'' is irrelevant as Saxons are not genetically good and Normans are not genetically bad.






If you look at these dynasties they were all inter-related one way or another so really these are the wars of the dynasties. The Normans maintained a lot of Anglo-Saxon custom and Law anyway, such as the shire courts.

Yes, they did, as I mentioned previously. The legal system of England (calling the unified English ''Anglo-Saxon'' is a bit problematic too) was more progressive than that of Normandy, which is why many of the laws that the Normans did introduce as been replace, apart from many of the laws that do give rich landowners and aristocrats too much privilege.


Generally speaking, they may have been harsh, but they were also progressive.


No they weren't, as most historians have pointed out. Before 1066 England did not have the divine right of kings like the Norman system did, nor did they have the excessive poaching laws nor many other laws. The Normans in Sicily may have been progressive, but they were not the same Normans as in England. As I have said, the Normans were not genetically bad, which is why you can have progressive Norman systems in other countries. But making the Normans of England, a proto-racist ethnic class, more progressive than the ''Anglo-Saxons'' of the era just before, with the Witenagemot, elected kings, fairer laws and a populace which wasn't made up of slaves (serfs are slaves), is erroneous.

I find it amusing that anyone would think that the feudal system and serfdom slavery were in any way progressive. People who talk about them as if they were progressive follow outdated historical thinking based on the biased scholarship and schooling of the earlier 20th century and before that, which saw the monarchy's Norman ancestors (the only reason the current Queen has her title, regardless of later heritages) as progressive invaders who taught the local savages the meaning of democracy, fairness, technology and law...whilst enslaving the majority of the populace (slavery before the Norman conquest was 10% at the most, whereas after that all peasants were serfs), and doing away with the open-fields system of communal agriculture.

[El Chuncho]

Anglo-Saxon England was rich in "slaves" amongst other things....

Not as rich as the later Norman England, as pointed out earlier. Make no bones about it, serfdom was slavery, and the serfs made up the bulk of the populace of Norman England.




The witana gemot was only composed of noble men, like a kind of primitive senate- not particularly democratic if you weren't a nobleman.

And the Norman system of the divine right of kings was more progressive then? There is a difference between things being progressive for now and things being progressive for the time, hence the idea of ''progression'' (which means that things have and are going forward, or progressing).




....and this Duke was actually a relative of Harold anyway, they were basically two "Germanic" tribes of cousins, one tribe just happened to speak French. Anyway, Edward the Confessor promised the throne to William who also had Papal Blessing- so.... I believe William and Edward were both descended from Ethelred the Unready as well.

William was not descended from Ethelred, Edward was related to William because Edward was a Norman and English. Harold was not related to William, he was only connected via marriage through Edward. So in a biological sense Harold was related to neither William nor Edward.

And them being from Germanic cultures is irrelevant as that does not mean that one group of ''Germanic'' people have the right to become an ethnic class - and I use this term because English men were not allowed to be lords nor marry Norman noble women - to another group of Germanic people.

And Edward did promise the throne to William...and Harold, and Tostig and probably others that he liked.

[GallowsBird]

Unless you were a Briton- i.e. "welsh" a foreigner in your own land.... :rolleyes:

As was the custom at the time many Welsh were captured as slaves (and the term does indeed foreigner... specifically Celtic and sometimes Latin foreigner and was used by all Germanic peoples as it predates the Anglo-Saxon settlement by quite a long time). However it should be noted that the Romano-Britons had slaves, including Anglic ones... so what?

Incidentally the name element "wealh" in many case denotes that the bearer had Brythonic ancestry...and there were other members of Early English society with Brythonic derived names such as Caedmon (a Northumbrian) who would almost certainly have a "Welsh" ancestor.

Again we are not trying to excuse the stealing of land but ALL peoples of the British Isles did this. Despite what the BNP and various Arthurian romanticists claim the Brythons were not indigenous.

Again, there is a difference between moving into a territory (during the Migration Age when most peoples in Northern and Eastern Europe were doing this) and settling it to taking over a culture. Also contrary to popular belief most of what is now England was sparsely settled (hence most of the old woods were cleared after the Anglic settlements) and many Brythons seem to have married into the ranks newcomers.



So they were related.....[/QUOTE]

You said William was descended from Aethelraed Unraed and I stated that he wasn't, which is true. He was related to Edward.




Well then the Saxon king Edward is to blame....

The Norman-West Saxon King and yes he was somewhat (and I am no fan of him) but not as much as you think as he did not have the right to choose the future king as that was the responsibility of the Witan to elect the monarch. Which they did and that was Harold Godwinsson, then after his death they elected Edgar Atheling.




So they were related.... :rolleyes:

I suggest you re-read your post and mine. :rolleyes:


If you look at these dynasties they were all inter-related one way or another so really these are the wars of the dynasties.

Somewhat yes.


The Normans maintained a lot of Anglo-Saxon custom and Law anyway, such as the shire courts.

Which was my point. They also brought with them a harsh feudal system, anti-poaching laws, the "harrying", castles to oppress the various regions, the ridiculous "trial by combat" law, the "divine right of kings" and a highly corrupt clergy. They also banned the English from having real power.


Generally speaking, they may have been harsh, but they were also progressive.

Again what policies do you find progressive and why?



xfmjiZ_isso


I hope you aren't trying to use that to support your claims... :rolleyes:

[GallowsBird]

If we are top be technical, he was a Norman, as his mother was Norman and he grew up in Normandy, however, the fact that he was ''Saxon'' is irrelevant as Saxons are not genetically good and Normans are not genetically bad.

That is a very good point. Also the Normans were very diverse with many being Bretons and the Flemish as well as Franks and Frankicised Northmen, mostly Swedes and Danes (not Norwegians as is popularly and incorrectly stated as they were East Norse speakers originally not West Norse...).
It should be noted that I, and El Chuncho, are mostly talking of Norman as a class and not the people of Normandy (who were mostly serfs) as a whole.

[Lunatic Concept]

Because this isnt off topic at all :lol:

[El Chuncho]

Because this isnt off topic at all :lol:

This whole thread is off topic and has been for awhile (because, I think, people cannot find what this thread's topic is actually about), it is almost like a more serious reactionary chatter.

[Sasha]

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[El Chuncho]

Only on Revleft is such a thing possible. :cool:

[ComradeMan]

Again what policies do you find progressive and why?

They introduced eating with forks... :lol:

More seriously, the Norman invasion brought Britain into Europe and opened up a lot of new possibilities for the land. Their judicial system evolved into the Common Law.

[El Chuncho]

They introduced eating with forks.

Actually, they didn't do that either. The fork only took hold in the 18th century, and had been mentioned as an Italian instrument by Thomas Coryat in his writings on Italy in 1611.


More seriously, the Norman invasion brought Britain into Europe and opened up a lot of new possibilities for the land. Their judicial system evolved into the Common Law.

England had strong connections to Europe for decades, which is why Frankish artifacts have been found in England since the earliest centuries. Their judicial system was also mostly build on the law that derives from the laws of Alfred, and most of their additional were quickly dropped, like trial by combat (which was dropped from the Anglo-Saxon system before our written records of their laws). Some of the less progressive features of their judicial system, such as the very progressive poaching laws did remain, though. But the point is not valid, as the law progressed after the Normans set up their law, but the Norman law didn't progress from the law prior to 1066, as it was already more progressive. Alfred's legal reform is a better example of true progression in medieval law, as it gathered elements of Germanic, Mozaic and Latin law and was concerned with whether decisions made by the aldermen were fair or not. The laws are quite outdated for the time and the Doom book is more an manifesto than a legal book for usage, but it was still true progression at the end, and the legal codes kept progressing, more or less, until the Norman conquest, in which the actually laws stagnated and had to progress from that point again.

Progression, obviously, means that things continue to go forward. The legal system was changed with the Norman to a regressive state, but that doesn't mean that it would not have progressed in the following centuries. But the fact remains that the regressive feudal system lasted for a long time, which means that the majority of the populace were slaves for many, many centuries.

[Rafiq]

he probably thinks obama is socialist too.

Whoa Whoa hold up,

Obama ISN'T a Socialist?

Where the hell have I been these past years?

[GallowsBird]

They introduced eating with forks... :lol:

Yeah but Anglo-Saxon's had a spork (I kid you not)...and i won't go into modern forks as El Chuncho has mentioned all that.


More seriously, the Norman invasion brought Britain into Europe and opened up a lot of new possibilities for the land. Their judicial system evolved into the Common Law.

Actually Britain had always been connected to Europe, even before the Roman invasion... and the Anglo-Saxons connected it to the West Germanic world closely and then you had the Norse kings (Cnut et al) who connected it to the Scandinavian world.

Kent was also heavily influenced by France as they had close ties to the Franks from quite early on.