Human Rights

[dernier combat]

Why do we (by 'we' I mean most/many communists) reject the "bourgeois" concept of human rights?
Why do we consider (human) rights to be bourgeois?
What is our alternative to human rights?
How can we justify our position, especially in the face of "human rights abuses"?

[Wubbaz]

Here comes my thoughts on these questions.


Why do we (by 'we' I mean most/many communists) reject the "bourgeois" concept of human rights?

Because, they are as you say yourself, based on bourgeois values, i.e based on the individual and private property. In article 17 (If I remember correctly) of the UN Human Rights, private property is deemed as an universal right for all humans. Communists can therefore not support them.



Why do we consider (human) rights to be bourgeois?

See above.


What is our alternative to human rights?

Humans need rights to be protected from the violations of the bourgeois state. After a revolution, the state will, during the dictatorship of the proletariat, never again violate the populace and there will be no need for human rights. In a late communist society, there will be no state and therefore no need for human rights.

In other words, we seek a society where there is no need for human rights.


How can we justify our position, especially in the face of "human rights abuses"?

Please elaborate this question a bit.

[dernier combat]

Because, they are as you say yourself, based on bourgeois values, i.e based on the individual and private property. In article 17 (If I remember correctly) of the UN Human Rights, private property is deemed as an universal right for all humans. Communists can therefore not support them.
But how does the existence of property rights under the banner of human rights discredit human rights as a whole?


Please elaborate this question a bit.
How can we justify our rejection of human rights as a whole (excluding property rights) when there are overwhelming claims and recorded cases of human rights violations (e.g. torture, enslavement, etc.)?

I understand we seek a society that doesn't necessitate the need for pre-defined rights, but for the time being under capitalism what can we call the "right" for a person not to be tortured or enslaved, etc. if not a human right?

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Why do we (by 'we' I mean most/many communists) reject the "bourgeois" concept of human rights?
Why do we consider (human) rights to be bourgeois?
What is our alternative to human rights?
How can we justify our position, especially in the face of "human rights abuses"?

Why reject? Because it is an abstraction. Rights do not make sense. Rights only exist insofar as they, by force or by some other method, are guaranteed. The idea of inalienable rights is preposterous.
And why is it bourgeois? Apart from being abstract nonsense, they have their origin in the enlightenment and are constantly used by the bourgeois establishments to slander and as a useful excuse in imperialist interventions. The right to property and whatnot- ever heard of the imperialist running dogs at Amnesty International and HRW?

Human rights abuses? What is? There's definitely inappropriate conduct and actions taken by governments, and while abuses, they cannot violate something that doesn't exist.