Stop Buying Che products!

[Hawker]

Com'on people haven't you gotten this through your head yet,if you buy Che products that symbolizes him,then your only supporting the idea that he tried to fight,Capitalism.You see when these stinken Capitalist pigs got a hold on his picture,they started to put it all over stuff like mugs,shirts,etc.and selling them to the rebellious youth.Then they go around thinking that they support Che,but in the end,he never really needed anyones support.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Why we're at it why don't we just completely cease purchasing anything all together. That would REALLY help the movement. Buying a million Che t-shirts does nothing but put Che's image on a million people's chest. Now that's just horrible.

[harely]

at least by purchasing products w/ Che's image, more people are getting to recognize him.

[IHP]

Good idea. I'm now going to stop paying rent. I am, after all, just supporting my landlord. I could go on like this, there is no need for us to 'get it through our heads.' Hawk your ideas somewhere else, Hawker.

[Guest1]

do you buy t-shirts? do you buy mugs? do you buy lighters? do you buy posters?

then you're supporting capitalism.

might as well do something for the cause in the process.

[Hawker]

:rolleyes:

Uhh...that's what I'm saying.I'm saying that if you buy products with his face on it,then your disgracing him and the communist belief.It means that your nothing but a no good cappy.Sure it gets people to recognize his face but look at the downside your shaming one of Communists greatest heroes.

[Guest1]

don't buy the communist manifesto, it's printed by a capitalist publishing house and so it disgraces marx.

[Eastside Revolt]

This thread reminds me of my Grandma's sister who refused to buy or use katsup, because it was too bouregois, she also knitted all her childeren's clothing........

....... And look what great wonders THAT did for the revolution. LOL :lol:


Look, you can't live outside the rhelm in which you exist. Unfortunately we live in the golden age of capitalism, there is not much else in the way of getting things than buying them. If you have to pay a little money to make Che a conversation peice, what the big deal. It's not like your gonna go and start some geurrilla warfare on capitalists anytime soon.

[Guest1]

worst part of all this is, the che shirts are actually CHEAPER than a regular cappie shirt. anything you buy will be made by capitalists, so why not spend that extra little bit LESS and spread a message instead of an ad?

[Inti]

I have many Che tees and banners and I will never stop using my tees, they are my favourites.. Nobody will be able to keep me from using them, and they are made in the countries I have bought them in and not in a sweatshop in asia at least. Mine havent been that much cheaper than the others you can find of other stuff.. I have had lots of good conversations starting with, who is that? Why do you have a picture on that murder? Cool guy on your shirt, who is it, the singer from RATM? Way to go! Lots of different people talking just because of a tee.. And that is in norway, a country where the people usually are pretty reserved and dont talk to strangers unless under influence..

[Indysocialist]

I haven't been around that long, like what, three months maybe and this is like the 9'th post I've seen this mentioned. I for one wouldn't buy a Che shirt from say...Hastings where you know for damn sure when you check the tag it'll say something like "Made in China".
But I do have two Che shirts from this site, and the way I see it is if it's from here I know it's going to a decent cause and I can have my favorite political figure on my chest. Two birds with one stone.

And besides, how's that Lenin quote go, "Capitalists will sell you the noose that you hang them with." Something like that.

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2003, 06:35 AM
I haven't been around that long, like what, three months maybe and this is like the 9'th post I've seen this mentioned. I for one wouldn't buy a Che shirt from say...Hastings where you know for damn sure when you check the tag it'll say something like "Made in China".
But I do have two Che shirts from this site, and the way I see it is if it's from here I know it's going to a decent cause and I can have my favorite political figure on my chest. Two birds with one stone.

And besides, how's that Lenin quote go, "Capitalists will sell you the noose that you hang them with." Something like that.
Amen

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 25 2003, 06:45 AM
worst part of all this is, the che shirts are actually CHEAPER than a regular cappie shirt. anything you buy will be made by capitalists, so why not spend that extra little bit LESS and spread a message instead of an ad?
yes the one and only che-shirt I own cost me £5... where as a I could buy a Nike shirt of similar or less quality for £20.

But if I was to get another che T-shirt then I would probably buy it from the site.

[chamo]

My t-shirt was €8 from a street-trader in Paris.

[Goldfinger]

I only have one Che-shirt, which I kinda regret buying, and one Che calendar. I bougth the latter in a local small music store, though, and I'm glad I suported them.

[Desert Fox]

I have one big che flag, 3 che shirts and a che sweater. I don't support the communist cause, but I like him as a person. He was a remarkable person in the history and I can't see why I would see him as a badguy. He is kinda cool and Che is getting way more popular these days ;)

[Xvall]

Goldfinger. I may have the same calander you do. Anyways; I have a che calander, and a couple of shirts. One of which was a gift from a relative living in Mexico. I doubt I'm crippling the revolution by holding onto these.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2003, 04:59 AM
:rolleyes:

Uhh...that's what I'm saying.I'm saying that if you buy products with his face on it,then your disgracing him and the communist belief.It means that your nothing but a no good cappy.Sure it gets people to recognize his face but look at the downside your shaming one of Communists greatest heroes.
You've good intentions, but every second that you're living you're a captalists' costumer, worker and supporter.

[Zombie]

and one Che calendar. I bougth the latter in a local small music store, though, and I'm glad I suported them.


yeah i was in a local hippie music store the other day and they were selling the 2003 calendar for 20ca$... that's a bit pricy if you ask me... 2004 calendars are on their way btw

[Hawker]

Originally posted by CCCP+Sep 25 2003, 09:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CCCP @ Sep 25 2003, 09:37 PM)
[email protected] 25 2003, 04:59 AM
:rolleyes:

Uhh...that&#39;s what I&#39;m saying.I&#39;m saying that if you buy products with his face on it,then your disgracing him and the communist belief.It means that your nothing but a no good cappy.Sure it gets people to recognize his face but look at the downside your shaming one of Communists greatest heroes.
You&#39;ve good intentions, but every second that you&#39;re living you&#39;re a captalists&#39; costumer, worker and supporter. [/b]
True,Very true.It seems today almost everywhere you go capitalism is everywhere.Almost every country now in the world is now capitalist.

[Dhul Fiqar]

You bastards are all using the internet&#33;&#33;&#33; Don&#39;t you realize it is CAPITALISTS that are taking your money, at the phonecompany and your ISP?&#33;?&#33; YOU CAPPIE BASTARDS&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; ;)

--- G.

[Anarchist Freedom]

"you can not escape capatilism in a capatilist country"-Rise Up



:che:

[Ctisphonics]

The &#39;Jineteros&#39; in Cuba are known for making a quick buck on Che shirts and watches with tourists.
It&#39;s kinda funny this topic came up, today I was walking aimlessly in the Library looking for something to study up on, and stumbled across of all things: a AAA Travel guide to Cuba, printed in the USA in the year 2000&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;. In it, is said tourist arn&#39;t allowed to trade in Pesos, but you can use them in airconditioned tourist shops, where pretty much the only thing you can buy was Che Watches for &#036;17.50 American&#33; THAT&#39;S IT&#33; Che has become pretty much the only Cuban export to the US.

I&#39;m not a Marxist, but as an American we tend to root for the underdogs in wars, since for most of our history were were at the bottom (even Canada preyed on us, REPEATEDLY). Che, though misguided not just in a ideological since, but also in military science, was at least sincere; for most people, actions don&#39;t always parrelle thier espoused ideas. Mao, Stalin, Fidel, Franco, Andrew Jackson and the like may of said a lot of stuff and had an admirable record (in relation to thier ideals) in the beginning, but thier later actions betrayed them for the hypocrites they really were. Che followed what he believed in; that&#39;s rare. Even more, his journeys on motorcycle showed he wasn&#39;t a mindless slave to others propaganda, he was to a certain extent a free thinker. He&#39;s the only Marxist leader that&#39;s earned my respect, as with most Americans. [B]We naturally enough don&#39;t follow him in his beliefs, nor espouse them, but he&#39;s earned our respect: not out of a force of arms, but force or character and conviction/B]. It&#39;s Unamerican to be against these two qualities, for it&#39;s the Cicero character of our republic that allows it to thrive even against impossible odds:

In every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory President Wilson

Che&#39;s actions showed he wasn&#39;t just splouting out propaganda, his words refected his actions. He was the Ronald Rumsfeld of his day, something to be admired in any individual, even if you hate thier particular ideology or behavior; I can&#39;t stand lying hypocrites.

(P.S. Foco theory isn&#39;t worth the paper it&#39;s written on, even if it is more advanced than other military-political theories of the other Marxist writters. Don&#39;t think just because I like his character or the alturistic roots of his Convictions I follow his beliefs, Alexander the Great was the same way, and I&#39;m not waving no Macedonian flag right now)

(Force of Character and Alturistic motivated Conviction are the two elements that produces Charisma in the leader; even if your aims are evil, you&#39;ll get followers.)

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

but what if you buy it from the che-lives store. dosnt that help keep this site alive????

[Comrade Ceausescu]

i was wondering the same thing.

[Guest1]

it does help keep this site alive. but oh no, malte&#39;s a capitalist, don&#39;t buy anything from him&#33; why would you want to support this site&#33; :o

lol, ok, I&#39;ll stop the sarcasm now.

mmm... being drunk feels good.

[Desert Fox]

Well just buy the damn t-shirt if you like it, every company that sells products is owned by capitalists. It is you who has to decide if it is worth the cash and the effort yes or no. And I don&#39;t see how buying a t-shirt for 10 &#036;(what is very cheap) is going to affect the revolution ;)

[nezvanova]

The shirt is just a way of expressing yourself. Yes, it does in some ways support capitalism, but, like many of you have pointed it, there&#39;s no way we can avoid it. Unless we make the entire shirt from scratch. You know, right down to picking the cotton, making the dyes, etc etc... I bought my shirt from a small army surplus store in Vancouver. The kid running the store sold those shirts not to make money off of it per se, but it was more about helping the let more people know about Che. how many of us (who were born after Che&#39;s death) can say we knew about Che before having seen the T-shirt, or on a sticker, or flag, or poster? I know i can&#39;t. honestly, the first time i can remember seeing Che&#39;s face was in an episode of the simpsons&#33; (the one where homer and MR burns try to buy Cuba for a billion dollars...silly episode, but it had a picture of Che on the side of a building) and that got me interested. I didn&#39;t know who he was then, and it took me a couple of years, and seeing him on lots of T shirts, before i really started learning about Che. For me, it was a catalyst. The T-shirts and stickers and other products introduced me to Che, it struck my curiousity and I&#39;m very glad it did. Che was remarkable, and I feel i&#39;ve been influenced a lot by having learned about him, and read his writings.

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

well then put it this way. if some company (such as ecko, sean john, fubu, levi...) takes che&#39;s image and starts to print it on there shirts and begin to market them then dont buy them because they are using him for money. am i right?

[Le Libérer]

Do what I did, make your own&#33; That way you are promoting Che without putting big dollars into Cappies pockets.

Sure the image doesnt last as long as a professionally pressed image, but it cost me about &#036;1.00 to print out the image on my printer and iron it on a t shirt. ANd in fact, it looks pretty cool fading a bit&#33;

[Dhul Fiqar]

I really want one of those semi-pro T-shirt presses they have at malls everywhere - it can&#39;t be all that expensive...

Then I would make all kinds of cool shirts - a new one for every day&#33; Muhaha =D

--- G.

[nezvanova]

I had a Rolling Stone&#39;s T-shirt made at one of those places. It turned out really well, but the store demanded that i buy one of their white cotton T-shirts for it, and it was an aweful fit and i rarely wear it anymore. I wish they&#39;d have let me buy a cotton shirt that fir properly and then bring it there to be printed. But the image did turn out pretty cool.

The Iron on idea sounds really cool Debra&#33; I think i&#39;ll try that sometime&#33; Does it work on color shirts, or does it have to be a white shirt for it to show up...?

[Le Libérer]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 04:17 AM

The Iron on idea sounds really cool Debra&#33; I think i&#39;ll try that sometime&#33; Does it work on color shirts, or does it have to be a white shirt for it to show up...?
Unfortunately it only works with white or very pale colors. Still tho, its getting the message out, and you have full control over the design of the shirt, which means they are one of a kind&#33; No one else has one like yours. And I want to do my next one with my fav quote under Che&#39;s face. When adding letters tho, remember to have them in reverse.

[nezvanova]

so how does it work? does it require special inks or...? cause I&#39;m not too familliar with this sort of thing... if it&#39;s not too much trouble, could explain how it works? it&#39;d be much appreciated :)

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Debora [email protected] 28 2003, 09:03 PM
Do what I did, make your own&#33; That way you are promoting Che without putting big dollars into Cappies pockets.

Sure the image doesnt last as long as a professionally pressed image, but it cost me about &#036;1.00 to print out the image on my printer and iron it on a t shirt. ANd in fact, it looks pretty cool fading a bit&#33;
Well I use the same technique but then for my anime t-shirts, since they cost 30 &#036; to buy one I just 15 normal shirts for that same amount and print out and iron images on them ;)

[BXs Prophet]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 25 2003, 01:15 AM
Why we&#39;re at it why don&#39;t we just completely cease purchasing anything all together. That would REALLY help the movement. Buying a million Che t-shirts does nothing but put Che&#39;s image on a million people&#39;s chest. Now that&#39;s just horrible.
:lol: how about we make our own products..sell your dell computer...make your own computers...build your own house...make your own car.... :huh: um no&#33; :rolleyes:

[Vinny Rafarino]

I think you may have misunderstood my post amigo.