Democracy

[Exasperated_Youth]

What do you all think of democracy? As an idea, not the sham we have in the West.

[SacRedMan]

Democracy is an illusion. We think that the people will have the power, but it will be a dictatorship, just like in the USA where many Americans don't want Obama any longer.

[Tommy4ever]

Democracy means the rule of the people. So I'm pretty sure that's what we are all trying to create. ;)

[SacRedMan]

Democracy is an illusion.

[Exasperated_Youth]

Democracy means the rule of the people. So I'm pretty sure that's what we are all trying to create. ;)

One has to admit that there are flaws though. Rule by the majority would be all very well if the majority of people were clever. What I'm trying to get at is what people think of these and how they would deal with them.

The vast majority of Americans would choose to keep capitalism if they were offered the choice between capitalism and communism/anarchism/socialism. So would you insist on a revolution with majority approval?

[SacRedMan]

Democracy comes from the Greek words demos(=people) and kratein(=rule) or in other words, the people rule. But I don't see a country where the people REALLY rule.

[Tommy4ever]

One has to admit that there are flaws though. Rule by the majority would be all very well if the majority of people were clever. What I'm trying to get at is what people think of these and how they would deal with them.

The vast majority of Americans would choose to keep capitalism if they were offered the choice between capitalism and communism/anarchism/socialism. So would you insist on a revolution with majority approval?

Democracy doesn't mean getting everyone together and taking a vote once every 4 or 5 years.

[Dimmu]

The vast majority of Americans would choose to keep capitalism if they were offered the choice between capitalism and communism/anarchism/socialism. So would you insist on a revolution with majority approval?

Well, that would happen only because of the indoctrination that most of us go thorugh where we are told that capitalism is the best system we have etc.

First the masses need to understand that capitalism is slavery and i think that we are moving towards this already. Then people need to understand that there are other system that will work a lot better then capitalism, if these to criteria will be fulfilled then we might see socialist revolutions all around the world. But as long as people think that capitalism is the only good system then we will have dictators of different kinds taking power.

[Exasperated_Youth]

Democracy doesn't mean getting everyone together and taking a vote once every 4 or 5 years.

That isn't what I'm saying. The point is that the overwhelming majority of people are pro-capitalism so to impose socialism/communism/anarchism/what have you is arguably undemocratic.

[Exasperated_Youth]

Well, that would happen only because of the indoctrination that most of us go thorugh where we are told that capitalism is the best system we have etc.

First the masses need to understand that capitalism is slavery and i think that we are moving towards this already. Then people need to understand that there are other system that will work a lot better then capitalism, if these to criteria will be fulfilled then we might see socialist revolutions all around the world. But as long as people think that capitalism is the only good system then we will have dictators of different kinds taking power.

What I'm saying is that is democracy really necessary? Does a revolution have to be justified through democracy or is the fact that it is right ample justification in itself?

[Exasperated_Youth]

Democracy is an illusion. We think that the people will have the power, but it will be a dictatorship, just like in the USA where many Americans don't want Obama any longer.

I did say as an idea, as opposed to reality. A theory.

[Tavarisch_Mike]

I think it was Trotsky who said something like; "Democracy is for socialism what oxygen is for the human body" or something like that, and i agree. But there are many different forms of democracy, one of those is the system thats very common in the industrialized parts of the world, known as 'parlamentarism'. Which simply is a borgeous form of democracy which guarantees to keep the system intact, in ather words to keep the Dictatorship of the Market to continue.