conscription

[Manic Impressive]

So say in the unlikely event that a world war kicked off and they reintroduced conscription, would you sign up? or conscientiously object and go to prison?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I have a smoking habit and the muscle tone of a wet noodle. Why the fuck would they have me even then?

[Manic Impressive]

cannon fodder ;)

[Nolan]

are you kidding?

KILL RED CHINA

[Red Future]

In the UK this if reintroduced would be "national service" for like 2-3 years

[Sadena Meti]

One of the joys of being a felon is not having to do jury duty and never having to serve in the armed forces. Especially not with my failed federal prosecution for sedition.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

cannon fodder ;)

Sod that, I'd be taking a doubtless well-earned "smoke break" long before getting in range of the enemy guns.

That's assuming I don't get some REMF (http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/REMF) position or desk job in the first place.

Remember, amateurs study strategy, professionals study logistics.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

I'd just take the opportunity to shoot people I don't like.

[Omsk]

Yes,i would sign up and die for my homeland.In its defense of course.
My family has a long line of soldiers and officers,most of them died against the fascist pigs,and i would have no doubt when somebody would ask me if i would join the fight against fascists,or imperialists.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Yes,i would sign up and die for my homeland.In its defense of course.

Oh hai thar, I herd u liek reactionary politiks?

[NoOneIsIllegal]

Yes,i would sign up and die for my homeland.In its defense of course.
My family has a long line of soldiers and officers,most of them died against the fascist pigs,and i would have no doubt when somebody would ask me if i would join the fight against fascists,or imperialists.
eerrrggghhhhh
anyways...

I have type-one diabetes and am pretty sure I'm flat-footed, so they better reject me. Not like I'd show up voluntarily anyway.

[Kuppo Shakur]

Would never happen.

[Princess Luna]

Fragging (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragging) FTW!

[Quail]

1. My health is pretty shite.
2. Thanks to sexism, I probably wouldn't be conscripted anyway.

[StalinFanboy]

Yes,i would sign up and die for my homeland.In its defense of course.
My family has a long line of soldiers and officers,most of them died against the fascist pigs,and i would have no doubt when somebody would ask me if i would join the fight against fascists,or imperialists.

lolwat


I think I'd flee the country or something. I'm not trying to kill people nor am I trying to go to prison.

[Sasha]

i think i'm already on the "fift column, arrest as soon as martial law is declared" list
but thats o.k. so was my great-grandpa, my grandpa and my mum so it runs in the family

[Blackscare]

I'm a bit of a hypocrite, I favor mandatory peace and wartime conscription out of principle, rather than having mercenary armies like we do today. The reason I'm a hypocrite there's no way in hell I'd ever do military service of any sort, even if I didn't live in a warlike imperialist country.

[Red Commissar]

The utter fail I would bring to the military might be enough to bring down the capitalist state.

[Tablo]

I would like to see them try.

[MarxSchmarx]

are you kidding?

KILL RED CHINA

You know, it's funny you should mention this in light of your sig:


Reason #493 why geography class was important:
Pedestrian: The fuck?! Dont shoot, take whatever!
ME: What's the capital of Mongolia?
Pedestrian: What? I don't kn...
ME: THE CAPITAL OF FUCKING MONGOLIA
Pedestrian: Come on! I don...
*boom* You have been warned. Do you know what Ulaanbaatar means?

It literally translates as "Red Hero" - of course, referring to the heroes of the Bolshevik inspired Mongolian revolution. I think that is the single most badass name of a world capital in the whole world. It frankly puts something lame like "London" to shame.

Anyhow, regarding the OP,

So say in the unlikely event that a world war kicked off and they reintroduced conscription, would you sign up? or conscientiously object and go to prison? This isn't actually as abstract question as we think. One comrade here I think he was from Finland actually went to jail for a few months rather than join the military. Me personally I think if world war broke out, since I live in a major urban area in the global north not too far from a major military base, I have little doubt that I will be among the first dead due to strategic nuclear strikes.

[The Douche]

Would turn imperialist war into civil war.

[Fawkes]

I've got me a nice list of mental disorders that should disqualify me. Not that I'd ever even go in for an evaluation or physical if drafted in the first place, fuck that.

[psgchisolm]

I'm already enlisting so I'd be excused. I want to get my 3 years over with. I'll also speak for Lt. Ferret and say yes he would also.

[The Douche]

Christian and joining the army? Why are you still here? Hope you die in Afghanistan.

[black magick hustla]

i have two passports and ive lived in three different places do you think i cant escape?????????????? im more thrifty than the state

[Red Future]

If the UK does reintroduce National Service im pretty fucked at 18 and physically healthy

[Princess Luna]

Some bad news, a years ago (i think 2005) Canada signed a deal with the U.S. to deport all America draft dodgers back to the U.S., i read in Abby Hoffman's book that Sweden is the next best place to choose (Israel if you are Jewish) does this still hold true today?

[Kamos]

So say in the unlikely event that a world war kicked off and they reintroduced conscription, would you sign up?

Never.

[psgchisolm]

Christian and joining the army? Why are you still here? Hope you die in Afghanistan.You are the biggest fucking hypocrite in the world.

[MarxSchmarx]

i read in Abby Hoffman's book that Sweden is the next best place to choose (Israel if you are Jewish) does this still hold true today?

I thought all Jewish Israelis had to serve in the Israeli military unless they happen to reside abroad during their entire service eligible years.

[Tablo]

I'm already enlisting so I'd be excused. They'd just hurry up with my enlistment and put me in Field Artillery. I'll also speak for Lt. Ferret and say yes he would also.
Why are you enlisting?

[Magón]

Some bad news, a years ago (i think 2005) Canada signed a deal with the U.S. to deport all America draft dodgers back to the U.S., i read in Abby Hoffman's book that Sweden is the next best place to choose (Israel if you are Jewish) does this still hold true today?

That deal between the US/Canada, has been around a lot longer than '05. Think more, 1972/73. After Vietnam, the US/Canada made a deal that all US draft dodgers, would be shipped back to the US if they fled to Canada.


As for me, if they tried bringing back the Draft, I'd totally run to Mexico if sent a letter that I had to join. Or just shoot to South America. THEY AREN'T GONNA CATCH ME!!!

[Martin Blank]

I've already passed the maximum age, so I'm not worried about myself. But I'll still be working with cmoney to turn imperialist war into civil war.

[Princess Luna]

I thought all Jewish Israelis had to serve in the Israeli military unless they happen to reside abroad during their entire service eligible years.
Not sure, but my point was since Israel offers citizenship to anyone of Jewish decent it is a easy place to flee to avoid the draft of your home country if you are Jewish or at least it was that way in 1970.

[psgchisolm]

Why are you enlisting?
To help pay for college, and to help my aunt pay off some of her debts. She has probably been one of the best people in my life and she deserves more than getting another bill saying she owes another $2,000 in taxes.

[Tablo]

To help pay for college, and to help my aunt pay off some of her debts. She has probably been one of the best people in my life and she deserves more than getting another bill saying she owes another $2,000 in taxes.
I hope that works out well for you. I know a couple people who enlisted for the money, but regretted it afterward..

[deLarge]

It depends. If there was a serious danger to my country, as in threat of invasion, then yes. If it was just us dicking around in Europe or Asia for no apparent reason, then no. If we instigated it, and they are just retaliating, then I would have to think about it longer. If it was a situation analogous to WWII, then I would enlist (though they might not want me, since I have no muscle tone).

[Comrade J]

To help pay for college, and to help my aunt pay off some of her debts. She has probably been one of the best people in my life and she deserves more than getting another bill saying she owes another $2,000 in taxes.

With all due respect to your aunt who I am sure is a great woman, don't you think it's incredibly fucked up to go and murder people on behalf of the state just to help her out? Can't you just get another job, grow weed, etc. rather than submitting your will to the state? Ridiculous excuse.

[Comrade J]

It depends. If there was a serious danger to my country, as in threat of invasion, then yes. If it was just us dicking around in Europe or Asia for no apparent reason, then no. If we instigated it, and they are just retaliating, then I would have to think about it longer. If it was a situation analogous to WWII, then I would enlist (though they might not want me, since I have no muscle tone).

Your country? Us? We?

Why are you a nationalist? Why do you identify yourself by something as inane and meaningless as what country you are from?

[DDR]

If that case comes up, I think I'll apent some time in jail. I would never fight for the damned spanish state.

[Jazzratt]

If it was a situation analogous to WWII, then I would enlist (though they might not want me, since I have no muscle tone). I take it then you've not read much of what communists and anarchists at the time had to say about joining inter-imperialist struggles during World War 2?

[psgchisolm]

With all due respect to your aunt who I am sure is a great woman, don't you think it's incredibly fucked up to go and murder people on behalf of the state just to help her out? Can't you just get another job, grow weed, etc. rather than submitting your will to the state? Ridiculous excuse.Yes she would be accepting of me to grow weed instead of an education in computer programming or Software design or music education. I'd have a hard enough time with a job AND college supporting myself much less trying to help her. Anyway I can learn a language and hopefully get out of this country after getting things straight at home.

[Comrade J]

Yes she would be accepting of me to grow weed instead of an education in computer programming or Software design or music education. I'd have a hard enough time with a job AND college supporting myself much less trying to help her. Anyway I can learn a language and hopefully get out of this country after getting things straight at home.

Yeah, cause growing weed is fucking evil. Why grow a harmless plant and sell it to pay your tuition and help out your aunt when you can kill some Arabs on behalf of the state. Fuck, my apologies, what was I thinking.

[Jazzratt]

It's odd really, I know a lot of people - some of whom that don't even identify as leftist - who are in dire financial straits. So far none of them have selected "shooting brown people for the state" as a solution. Funny that.

[psgchisolm]

Yeah, cause growing weed is fucking evil. Why grow a harmless plant and sell it to pay your tuition and help out your aunt when you can kill some Arabs on behalf of the state. Fuck, my apologies, what was I thinking.Strawman like hell. Anyway I'm all for legalizing weed. But Cali is on the other side of the map of SC. Which also requires licenses and a bunch of bs to go through not to mention actually GETTING there. Life isn't as simple as "I'm gonna sell weed." Of course I'm just a terrible class-traitor. Meh it's better than some jackass who lives in england and thinks life in the US is "sell weed for fun" :thumbup1:.:rolleyes: Oh shit maybe I went too far.


It's odd really, I know a lot of people - some of whom that don't even identify as leftist - who are in dire financial straits. So far none of them have selected "shooting brown people for the state" as a solution. Funny that.Go to the ghetto. Brown people shoot brown people all the time for money and weed. Coming from a brown person that actually lives there. Shit they don't even kill other brown people for the state. As a matter of fact a boy that graduated from my school and had a full scholarship to college was recently found in his backyard with a knife in his back. So funny how that works huh. A guy who lives in england talks about killing brown people to a brown person who actually lives around it.

[Fawkes]

I don't live in England, I live in the U.S., you are a prick.

And talking about strawmen, you're entire response to Jazzratt was a textbook example.

[Comrade J]

It's odd really, I know a lot of people - some of whom that don't even identify as leftist - who are in dire financial straits. So far none of them have selected "shooting brown people for the state" as a solution. Funny that.

That's really strange that they won't join the army - don't your friends realise that these people are different? And that they wear different clothes!? They don't even fucking speak ENGLISH, Jazzratt! :eek: Have your friends got no respect at all for the state and its imperialistic ambitions?

[psgchisolm]

I don't live in England, I live in the U.S., you are a prick.

And talking about strawmen, you're entire response to Jazzratt was textbook.First off. Calm the fuck down. I wasn't even talking about you. I really don't even know where you came from with that. I just checked the thread and no where have I addressed you in my posts. So explain. Also my post was supposed to be a strawman. That was the entire point of it.


That's really strange that they won't join the army - don't your friends realise that these people are different? And that they wear different clothes!? They don't even fucking speak ENGLISH, Jazzratt! :eek: Have your friends got no respect at all for the state and its imperialistic ambitions?I guess trolling is fine as long as you help your master create a circle-jerk for his posts.

[Comrade J]

Strawman like hell. Anyway I'm all for legalizing weed. But Cali is on the other side of the map of SC. Which also requires licenses and a bunch of bs to go through not to mention actually GETTING there. Life isn't as simple as "I'm gonna sell weed." Of course I'm just a terrible class-traitor. Meh it's better than some jackass who lives in england and thinks life in the US is "sell weed for fun" :thumbup1:.:rolleyes: Oh shit maybe I went too far.

As a leftist, the country you are from is about as relevant to me as what colour your spoon handles are. But then that's the difference between you and I, "comrade", I am not a fucking nationalist. :rolleyes:

Furthermore I couldn't give a shit about how many licences or legal loopholes or anything there is to jump through, and I had no idea (again, nor do I care - perhaps you're sensing a theme here) where you live, and I didn't even think of growing pot in a legal sense. My point was simply that there are a multitude of other options that don't in any way involve submitting your will to the state to go and kill other people and risk death yourself for a futile, illegal 'cause'.

Money etc. is no excuse at all for joining the army, you must have a genuine desire to go and kill people, or you're a piece of nationalist shit, in which case why the hell are you even on this forum? Try stormfront, you'll find more solidarity with your views there. Fuck, some of your future colleagues are probably on there, you might as well get to know them now.


Go to the ghetto. Brown people shoot brown people all the time for money and weed. Coming from a brown person that actually lives there. Shit they don't even kill other brown people for the state. As a matter of fact a boy that graduated from my school and had a full scholarship to college was recently found in his backyard with a knife in his back. So funny how that works huh. A guy who lives in england talks about killing brown people to a brown person who actually lives around it.And of course it's tragic that that occurs. But as well as being tragic, it is also completely fucking irrelevant to anything that anybody has said. I think what Jazzratt was getting at was Arab people in Afghanistan and so on, which is the current ethnicity on your government's foreign murder agenda. Wait til you're taking potshots at them across the Korangal valley, then you'll see his point.

Edit - Just saw that you're a christian too :D Hahahaha. No seriously, why the fuck are you even here?

[psgchisolm]

As a leftist, the country you are from is about as relevant to me as what colour your spoon handles are. But then that's the difference between you and I, "comrade", I am not a fucking nationalist. :rolleyes:
That's your opinion. here's mine. Go fuck yourself.


And of course it's tragic that that occurs. But as well as being tragic, it is also completely fucking irrelevant to anything that anybody has said. I think what Jazzratt was getting at was Arab people in Afghanistan and so on, which is the current ethnicity on your government's foreign murder agenda. Wait til you're taking potshots at them across the Korangal valley, then you'll see his point.
Quite obviously. He tried to make this into a racist agenda. He guessed that I was white so he said I wanted to shoot brown people because they had a different culture. Which with you helped boost with your circle jerk comment.


Furthermore I couldn't give a shit about how many licences or legal loopholes or anything there is to jump through, and I had no idea (again, nor do I care - perhaps you're sensing a theme here) where you live, and I didn't even think of growing pot in a legal sense. My point was simply that there are a multitude of other options that don't in any way involve submitting your will to the state to go and kill other people and risk death yourself for a futile, illegal 'cause'. Or get fucked over like my other fellow black men and sent to prison where I'm not help to anyone.


Edit - Just saw that you're a christian too :D Hahahaha. No seriously, why the fuck are you even here?I see you trollin, but I'm not hatin.


Money etc. is no excuse at all for joining the army, you must have a genuine desire to go and kill people, or you're a piece of nationalist shit, in which case why the hell are you even on this forum? Try stormfront, you'll find more solidarity with your views there. Fuck, some of your future colleagues are probably on there, you might as well get to know them now.This is a capitalist world. I would expect you to know that since you whine about it so much but apparently your only arguments are troll posts and following jazzratts lead like a lapdog. Anyway go back to hidin in the suburb and trolling like a good 4chan kid. It's funny how fascists have more solidarity with each other than leftists who preach it and call for workers unite. Maybe you're one of those fake-ass nazbol leftists who is secretly trolling on revleft to tell story's to your fascist EDL friends. Anyway I'm tired of making unproductive posts to an irrelevant asshole who is talking e-shit and has trouble controlling his hormones on the internet. GG.

[Comrade J]

That's your opinion. here's mine. Go fuck yourself.

That's not really an opinion now, is it?


Quite obviously. He tried to make this into a racist agenda. He guessed that I was white so he said I wanted to shoot brown people because they had a different culture. Which with you helped boost with your circle jerk comment.

Firstly, Jazzratt didn't say anything that remotely insinuated you were white; he said that none of his friends despite their circumstances have gone to kill brown people, in reference to the war in Afghanistan, as I said anyway. Also I find it hilarious that when you see that two people agree on something for you that becomes a "circle jerk" :lol: Jazzratt is just an old friend of mine and one of the few posters who speaks sense, a true leftist and a comrade. I'm sorry if our mutual opinion on your inane nationalist sentiment is offensive. Go pray to your flag or whatever the fuck it is you god-bothering nationalists do for stress relief.


Or get fucked over like my other fellow black men and sent to prison where I'm not help to anyone.

As opposed to going to fight people for your government in a distant imperialist war, where you'll be a massive help to everyone. You'll be like fucking Mother Teresa with a gun.


This is a capitalist world. I would expect you to know that since you whine about it so much but apparently your only arguments are troll posts and following jazzratts lead like a lapdog. Anyway go back to hidin in the suburb and trolling like a good 4chan kid. It's funny how fascists have more solidarity with each other than leftists who preach it and call for workers unite. Maybe you're one of those fake-ass nazbol leftists who is secretly trolling on revleft to tell story's to your fascist EDL friends. Anyway I'm tired of making unproductive posts to an irrelevant asshole who is talking e-shit and has trouble controlling his hormones on the internet. GG.

We leftists have genuine solidarity with each other, I daresay more than fascists, but given the fact that you're just some moaning angry jingoist you will never encounter such solidarity. You're not part of this. Fuck off. Of course you could be, if you could overcome your nationalism, forget the idea of joining the army and so on.

As for the whole EDL shite you just spouted then, I'm sure even you realise you were clutching at straws a tad there. For what it's worth I am and have always been a proletarian, and I feel kinship and solidarity with others regardless of nationality.

All this insulting and arguing bullshit aside though, why do you want to join the army as opposed to working in a different job? Is it the desire to travel? Do you in fact feel some sort of duty for the United States? Don't be a pawn for those fuckers, they don't give a shit about you, and whether you die or not. Do something worthy with your life.

[deLarge]

Your country? Us? We?

Why are you a nationalist? Why do you identify yourself by something as inane and meaningless as what country you are from?

Whether or not I believe borders to be meaningful matters far less than whether the people coming at me with a gun believe them to be. If wanting to protect my family, my friends, or my associates from violence equates to nationalism, then so be it.

[The Douche]

You are the biggest fucking hypocrite in the world.

Oh really? I'm a hypocrite? No, I was a hypocrite, when I put my own needs (college and financial stability) ahead of those of the global working class by enlisting in the army and deploying to Iraq. Now I am making statements which are completely in line with my words, actions, and thoughts.

I am no hypocrite, I sat in Iraq and openly said "my own death is a victory for the Iraqi working class". Fuck you asshole, you think your comfort is more important than the freedom of people around the world. You are not a communist, fuck off.

[psgchisolm]

Oh really? I'm a hypocrite? No, I was a hypocrite, when I put my own needs (college and financial stability) ahead of those of the global working class by enlisting in the army and deploying to Iraq. Now I am making statements which are completely in line with my words, actions, and thoughts.

I am no hypocrite, I sat in Iraq and openly said "my own death is a victory for the Iraqi working class". Fuck you asshole, you think your comfort is more important than the freedom of people around the world. You are not a communist, fuck off.Damn right I'm not a communist. I'm a Democratic Socialist.

[The Douche]

Damn right I'm not a communist. I'm a Democratic Socialist.

No. You're a state department socialist.