Why do we find racist/sexist/homophobic characters funny?

[Bandito]

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Yes, they spit racist, homophobic, misogynist and bigoted comments all the time, and yes, we who obviously don't think such statements are right, still laugh at their lines. Maybe not all of them, but some seem rather funny. In addition, we would either criticize, protest against or even beat up someone for making such remarks in our presence.

I think it's very different from laughing at racist jokes. The reason those racist etc. jokes may have been funny to some is the exact reason many others find it offensive: to find it funny one would have to actually believe there were too many black people in your country, or that women indeed belong in the kitchen, at least subconciously.

There seems to be a great difference between laughing at fictional characters and real people when it comes to saying those lines. Why do you think it's like that?

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

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Yes, they spit racist, homophobic, misogynist and bigoted comments all the time, and yes, we who obviously don't think such statements are right, still laugh at their lines. Maybe not all of them, but some seem rather funny. In addition, we would either criticize, protest against or even beat up someone for making such remarks in our presence.

I think it's very different from laughing at racist jokes. The reason those racist etc. jokes may have been funny to some is the exact reason many others find it offensive: to find it funny one would have to actually believe there were too many black people in your country, or that women indeed belong in the kitchen, at least subconciously.

There seems to be a great difference between laughing at fictional characters and real people when it comes to saying those lines. Why do you think it's like that?


It gets worse. I have a guilty pleasure crush on Charlie Sheen.

[Princess Luna]

Because its taboo, like dead baby jokes, blasphemy, and even to some degree sex jokes. Society sets aside certain things that are supposed to be super serious, and i guess people find it funny to shit on them.

[#FF0000]

I usually only find these characters funny if they're played up to a ridiculous degree to the point where it lampoons racism/sexism/homophobia. Like Cartman, I guess. He's not likable at all really and he's only funny to me because I know a person just like him.

[Kronsteen]

Judging from the three pictures, we aren't into sexism, racism and homophobia.

Gregory House has none of these qualities - he's a misanthrope, which is hardly singling out one group for hatred.

South Park mocks everyone - left, right and liberal - but I don't recall seeing jokes about uppity blacks or dungaree-wearing lesbian feminists.

And the only targets of Ali G's characters are the incredibly stupid and the pretentiously fake.

[Bandito]

1) I didn't say we are into sexism, racism etc. I said we are cutting fictional characters some slack.
2) Those three choices were just from the top of my head. I'm sure we can all think a couple more examples.


Gregory House has none of these qualities - he's a misanthrope, which is hardly singling out one group for hatred.
Yes, and he only jerks around with his black colleague and his criminal past, constantly making him to pick locks, as per prejudice that black=criminal. That's why he always makes sexist comments about his female coworkers and patients. But yeah, the character is brilliant.


South Park mocks everyone - left, right and liberal - but I don't recall seeing jokes about uppity blacks or dungaree-wearing lesbian feminists.
Yes, but the point that it's an elitist show, doesn't make Cartman any less of a Jew hater, anti-gay crusader or fat. But yeah, the character is funny. Sometimes.


And the only targets of Ali G's characters are the incredibly stupid and the pretentiously fake.
Touché. But some people find him amusing.

[Robespierre Richard]

Because liberal multiculturalism is a failed idea that treats bigotry as "incomprehensible" and therefore permissible when it appears to be a joke.

[Manic Impressive]

There is a vast difference between laughing with someone and laughing at someone. Cartman is a mini Hitler he's shown to be a Nazi many times not just in the Mel Gibson episode. The rest of the time he's shown as a typical privileged white conservative, to me this shows that the writers are suggesting a link between Nazis and conservatives. The people who laugh with him and agree with what he says are who the character is lampooning they're just too fucking stupid to realise it.

[Manic Impressive]

That being said I think there has been a rise in racist comedy from mainstream comics recently in the UK.

[praxis1966]

South Park mocks everyone - left, right and liberal - but I don't recall seeing jokes about uppity blacks or dungaree-wearing lesbian feminists.

So how would you characterize naming the show's only black character, 'Token'? Just sayin' n shit, lulz.

For that matter, what about the show M.A.S.H.? The only regular black character on that show was called 'Spearchucker,' the guy who was generally the "hero" [Hawkeye] was a sexist lech and the strongest female character [Margaret 'Hotlips' Hoolihan] was always a stick in the mud and the butt of constant jokes... And that show was supposed to be progressive. :rolleyes:

Anyway, if you pay close attention, the racist, homophobic and sexist characters are always the biggest dumbasses in whatever show's cast. That's done intentionally so we as the audience are laughing at them and not with them. The message is that only a complete fool would think that way. Take for instance the show Scrubs. That show has a character [The Todd] who is simultaneously quite possibly the biggest sexist and biggest moron to ever hit prime time.

IE This guy:

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/577689/todd.jpg

[Robespierre Richard]

So how would you characterize naming the show's only black character, 'Token'? Just sayin' n shit, lulz.

For that matter, what about the show M.A.S.H? The only regular black character on that show was called 'Spearchucker.'

Anyway, if you pay close attention, the racist, homophobic and sexist characters are always the biggest dumbasses in whatever show's cast. That's done intentionally so we as the audience are laughing at them and not with them. The message is that only a complete fool would think that way. Take for instance the show Scrubs. That show has a character [The Todd] who is simultaneously quite possibly the biggest sexist and biggest moron to ever hit prime time.

Well if you're going back to the Archie Bunker days, back then 'lampooning' people like that probably really did seem funny and progressive, nowadays it's pretty old news, and the only point of keeping it alive is to make "ironic" racist/sexist/etc jokes. Though from what I read, even the UK version of All In The Family had a darker and less pleasant view of him.

[DDR]

Most of the times it's just a critic of those attitudes, or at least I see that way. I think it's what Praxis sais we laught at them not with them.

[Chimurenga.]

Because most Leftists (especially Americans) haven't gotten past bourgeois humor. Me, I've cut out watching TV (except for sports games) and American film (for the most part) altogether. American film is especially vile.

[praxis1966]

Well if you're going back to the Archie Bunker days, back then 'lampooning' people like that probably really did seem funny and progressive, nowadays it's pretty old news, and the only point of keeping it alive is to make "ironic" racist/sexist/etc jokes. Though from what I read, even the UK version of All In The Family had a darker and less pleasant view of him.

Yeah, All In The Family is actually a really good example of what I was talking about. Archie was seen as a complete tool, and the son-in-law character was there as the progressive voice in the house to point out when he was being a jackass. There was, for instance, an episode where Archie joined the KKK...


Most of the times it's just a critic of those attitudes, or at least I see that way. I think it's what Praxis sais we laught at them not with them.

Exactly. I can think of a million examples all over the place. The Banky character in Kevin Smith's Chasing Amy, for instance.

[Ele'ill]

I don't laugh at it because I don't think it's funny.

[Delenda Carthago]

Because we do it for the lulz.

[bricolage]

Because most Leftists (especially Americans) haven't gotten past bourgeois humor. Me, I've cut out watching TV (except for sports games) and American film (for the most part) altogether. American film is especially vile.
Your purity shames us all.

[Tablo]

I laugh at characters like Cartman because the characters themselves are the joke. I do think there is a serious problem with the amount of racist, sexist, homophobic, and transphobic comedy going around and I do think something should be done about it. I can hardly watch anything on tv since American humor is so saturated with this bigotry.

[Os Cangaceiros]

We must embrace proletarian humor!

[praxis1966]

Because most Leftists (especially Americans) haven't gotten past bourgeois humor. Me, I've cut out watching TV (except for sports games) and American film (for the most part) altogether. American film is especially vile.

You really gotta stop going to multiplexes and renting movies at Blockbuster then. Saying 'American film is especially vile' is like saying American beer is awful even though you've never tried, oh, I dunno, Dogfish Head or Stone. It just smacks of laziness.

[bailey_187]

people (usualy) dont laugh at what they say, but as its a satirical take on racism

Ali G is probably the most racist (although more classist) though, not because of racist thing the character says but the pisstake and denegration of the late 90s/early 2000s "urban" british culture. saying that tho, it can be funny :unsure:

[khad]

Truly, I find no value in racist humor (http://vcn.bc.ca/~monad1/lesson20.htm)

[Ele'ill]

Well, I got exactly this far- "2010 On Line Technocracy...."







(This is chitchat- I'm joking and will read it later. Much later)

[khad]

A pity. The discovering is half the joke.

[black magick hustla]

Well, I got exactly this far- "2010 On Line Technocracy...."







(This is chitchat- I'm joking and will read it later. Much later)
actually its p. good. surprisingly. its like scientific nihilist communism

[black magick hustla]

no better example of this particular type of intellectual insolence need be sought than that afforded by professor ortega y gasset in his book, revolt of the masses. In this book the writer is decrying the rise of the masses and uses the illustration of an african savage who has learned to drive an automobile and to use aspirin. What the professor does not appear to realize is the irony of his own situation, namely, that in the world of action his own position is practically identical to that of the savage he is describing---one of complete functional incompetence. Professor ortega y gasset is a jesuit professor of philosophy at the university of madrid, and, as such, so far as is publicly known, has never done anything of more importance in his entire life, than to read books, talk, and write more books.

[bcbm]

This basic fact shows the futility of all moralistic approaches to the solution of social problems. Such an approach always consists of the pious hope that human beings can be instructed to do the 'right' thing, regardless of how contrary this happens to be to what their environmental controls dictate. It is the same moralistic approach that is back of the current stupidities of the liberals, the communists and others, whose chief form of activity consists of signing protest lists---protests against war, protests against fascism, protests against capitalism, etc.---or else in the equally futile hope that they are going to educate the voting public to cast their ballots in the proper manner, while all the controls which produce the opposite effect are allowed to remain intact.

What we are pointing out is simply this, regardless of what occupation a man may pursue, the chances are highly in favor of his being obliged to pursue that occupation in approximately the same manner as it is pursued by others. One may not like bankers, lawyers, policemen, or politicians, but if he happens to follow any one of these professions he will soon find out that if he does not indulge in the same objectionable practices common to that profession, he will soon be seeking employment elsewhere. Thus, bankers, lawyers, policemen and politicians, as well as the members of other professions, are merely ordinary human beings who are obliged to operate under a set of controls which are peculiar to the particular profession considered; any other human being under the same controls is likely to behave in a similar manner. This being the ease, the only possible way of eliminating those types of behavior which are socially objectionable, and of replacing them with types of behavior which are socially unobjectionable is to alter the controls accordingly. No amount of social moralizing ever has, or ever will, effect this to any appreciable extent.

This, of course, raises the question as to just how social change comes about. The answer is that social change comes about spontaneously.


whoa

[khad]

there are basic physiological differences among individuals which are partly inherent and partly acquired through differences in diet, secretions of the endocrine glands, etc. It is these basic physiological differences among various human beings that upset all philosophic theories of equality, and hence any governmental theory of democracy. In any group of human beings having practically the same external environment certain individuals always tend to be dominant, and others with regard to these are submissive and constitute the followers. If there were only two men on an island, one of these men would be no. 1 and the other would be no. 2. If this spontaneous natural order of priority among men is inverted by an artificial means whereby the submissive type is made superior to the dominant type, a socially unstable situation is thereby created. .

[black magick hustla]

is this racist? i have no idea what is your opinion on this but im diggin it

[black magick hustla]

nvm thats kindof fucked

[black magick hustla]

i do agree tho that "differences" upset all philosophical theories of equality and democracy under capitalism tho yo. working class totalitarianism vs democracy!

[Chimurenga.]

You really gotta stop going to multiplexes and renting movies at Blockbuster then.

I already do avoid theaters and rental places. The last movie I saw in theaters was like a year and a half ago actually.


Saying 'American film is especially vile' is like saying American beer is awful even though you've never tried, oh, I dunno, Dogfish Head or Stone. It just smacks of laziness.

I meant to say the more recent films are vile. Probably within the last ten-fifteen years, I can only count on my hands the number of films that have come out in the US that I've actually liked.

By the way, when you're surrounded by idiotic college frat boy, cheesy action, jingoistic war, and/or the same damn regurgitated 'romantic' films recycled over and over again, then you can tell me that I'm being "lazy".

That is not to say that there haven't been great films made. I certainly wouldn't deny that but the majority, I could definitely do without.

[Quail]

And the only targets of Ali G's characters are the incredibly stupid and the pretentiously fake.
I thought part of the appeal of Ali G was the way his "ignorance" brings out the worst in people he interviews.

[#FF0000]

I already do avoid theaters and rental places. The last movie I saw in theaters was like a year and a half ago actually.



I meant to say the more recent films are vile. Probably within the last ten-fifteen years, I can only count on my hands the number of films that have come out in the US that I've actually liked.

By the way, when you're surrounded by idiotic college frat boy, cheesy action, jingoistic war, and/or the same damn regurgitated 'romantic' films recycled over and over again, then you can tell me that I'm being "lazy".

That is not to say that there haven't been great films made. I certainly wouldn't deny that but the majority, I could definitely do without.

when you put it like this it is impossible to disagree.

[praxis1966]

when you put it like this it is impossible to disagree.

Not really. Watch this.


I already do avoid theaters and rental places. The last movie I saw in theaters was like a year and a half ago actually.

See, you haven't really read what I wrote. I said multiplexes and Blockbuster. You're making generalizations again. I don't know where you live in SC, but if you're in an even minor metropolitan area I'm sure you can find an art house theatre which plays plenty of indies and at least 2 - 3 decent independently owned rental stores. Failing that, a Netflix subscription.


I meant to say the more recent films are vile. Probably within the last ten-fifteen years, I can only count on my hands the number of films that have come out in the US that I've actually liked.

Cinema wasn't dead in '67 when Godard proclaimed it so, nor was it in the 80s when American critics started bemoaning the blockbuster phenomenon and slasher flicks. It certainly isn't so now.


By the way, when you're surrounded by idiotic college frat boy, cheesy action, jingoistic war, and/or the same damn regurgitated 'romantic' films recycled over and over again, then you can tell me that I'm being "lazy".

Look, I'm not gonna do the work for you, but the fact that you complain about how bad movies are and (judging by your descriptions of what's on offer) you haven't even done the minimum amount of research, like just going down the list of what won at Sundance or Tribeca or SXSW or SFI last year, I'm gonna say yeah. It's laziness.


That is not to say that there haven't been great films made. I certainly wouldn't deny that but the majority, I could definitely do without.

See, I'd actually agree with this. All I'm saying is don't throw in the towel before you've even stepped into the ring.

[Chimurenga.]

See, you haven't really read what I wrote. I said multiplexes and Blockbuster. You're making generalizations again. I don't know where you live in SC, but if you're in an even minor metropolitan area I'm sure you can find an art house theatre which plays plenty of indies and at least 2 - 3 decent independently owned rental stores. Failing that, a Netflix subscription.

Nah, there isn't anything like that here. I live in tourist area so most of the theaters are conjoined with shopping centers and I'm not really interested in wasting money that I don't have on a Netflix subscription.


Cinema wasn't dead in '67 when Godard proclaimed it so, nor was it in the 80s when American critics started bemoaning the blockbuster phenomenon and slasher flicks. It certainly isn't so now.

I never said it was "dead". I'm just saying that the good majority of it sucks. You clearly disagree me and that's fine.


you haven't even done the minimum amount of research, like just going down the list of what won at Sundance or Tribeca or SXSW or SFI last year, I'm gonna say yeah. It's laziness.

Fair enough. I'll do so and see if there is anything that interests me.

[khad]

Look, I'm not gonna do the work for you, but the fact that you complain about how bad movies are and (judging by your descriptions of what's on offer) you haven't even done the minimum amount of research, like just going down the list of what won at Sundance or Tribeca or SXSW or SFI last year, I'm gonna say yeah. It's laziness.
Used to be a film geek. It ain't all that.

That hipster shit is overrated.

[praxis1966]

For what it's worth, sorry if I came off as a dick before... Anyway.


Nah, there isn't anything like that here. I live in tourist area so most of the theaters are conjoined with shopping centers and I'm not really interested in wasting money that I don't have on a Netflix subscription.

Yeah, that would be a start... And for the record I can actually really sympathize with your situation. I lived in a town just like yours from the time I was 3 until 29. From what I've gathered from talking to friends back home, the only art gallery that didn't solely sell watercolors of beach scenery closed down last year if that tells you anything.


I never said it was "dead". I'm just saying that the good majority of it sucks. You clearly disagree me and that's fine.

Meh That can be said of mainstream anything, though. If all I knew about music was what came on my local top 40s station I'd probably stop listening to it.


Fair enough. I'll do so and see if there is anything that interests me.

Right on.

[Queercommie Girl]

You really gotta stop going to multiplexes and renting movies at Blockbuster then. Saying 'American film is especially vile' is like saying American beer is awful even though you've never tried, oh, I dunno, Dogfish Head or Stone. It just smacks of laziness.

Why would you want to tell someone off just because they have different cultural preferences from you? Who cares?

[Os Cangaceiros]

I'm a film geek (well, not really, but I have seen a bunch of genre films). If you just notice what's advertised then of course your conclusion will be that it's mostly crap, but there have been a number of really good under-the-radar films produced within the last ten years. Two that I've been really impressed with lately are White Lightnin' (a highly embellished fictionalization of the "dancing outlaw" Jesco White) and Capturing the Friedmans, a really disturbing documentary.

[Queercommie Girl]

I'm a film geek (well, not really, but I have seen a bunch of genre films). If you just notice what's advertised then of course your conclusion will be that it's mostly crap, but there have been a number of really good under-the-radar films produced within the last ten years. Two that I've been really impressed with lately are White Lightnin' (a highly embellished fictionalization of the "dancing outlaw" Jesco White) and Capturing the Friedmans, a really disturbing documentary.

I'm a fan of science fiction.

I've got to say, Americans make some good sci-fi films and TV. It's something that is lacking in Chinese culture. The Chinese, for all of our 5000 years of history, never produced a single piece of sci-fi literature that is worth noting.

[Robespierre Richard]

Good movies with mainstream actors:

The four burials of Melquiades Estrada
???

[praxis1966]

Why would you want to tell someone off just because they have different cultural preferences from you? Who cares?

You're right, in a sense. It wasn't very polite. It's not like (s)he was personally attacking me or anything. I really didn't have much of a right to be such a fart knocker about it. To be fair, though, I did apologize. Film in general is just something I happen to be particularly passionate about...

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

I'm a fan of science fiction.

I've got to say, Americans make some good sci-fi films and TV. It's something that is lacking in Chinese culture. The Chinese, for all of our 5000 years of history, never produced a single piece of sci-fi literature that is worth noting.
I prefer romantic comedies and dramas. I also like action movies where the protagonist is a strong badass female character.

[Bright Banana Beard]

I prefer romantic comedies and dramas. I also like action movies where the protagonist is a strong badass female character.

This. <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

[Queercommie Girl]

You're right, in a sense. It wasn't very polite. It's not like (s)he was personally attacking me or anything. I really didn't have much of a right to be such a fart knocker about it. To be fair, though, I did apologize. Film in general is just something I happen to be particularly passionate about...

Ok I see your point to some extent.

Like if someone here is really trashing Star Trek, I'd get pretty annoyed too.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

This. <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
I wish men like you were a higher percentage of the male population.

[Fawkes]

:lol:

[Bright Banana Beard]

I have to say that Star Trek or Star War bored me out but Lucas fucked up Star War with the 2nd and 3rd episode of Star War. If I was forced to which one I pick for winner, it is definitely Star Trek even though I never saw a single episode of it.

[Queercommie Girl]

Star Trek is certainly better and deeper than Star Wars.

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

1) I didn't say we are into sexism, racism etc. I said we are cutting fictional characters some slack.
2) Those three choices were just from the top of my head. I'm sure we can all think a couple more examples.

How is it possible to do something to a fictional character...

What if the racist character's function in the story to illustrate an antiracist message? or the reactionary character can be considered a subject of ridicule and hypocrisy.

[Pirate Utopian]

I like cartoons or cult movies the most, since we're naming favorite movietypes now.

[Manic Impressive]

Star Trek is certainly better and deeper than Star Wars.
Star Trek is communist :marx:

[Os Cangaceiros]

I also like action movies where the protagonist is a strong badass female character.

I think one of the only times that character archtype has actually been pulled off fairly well was in Neil Marshall's "Doomsday".

Oh, and "Sex & Fury". Other than that, though, I'm not really big on those types of films.

Or really action movies in general.

[praxis1966]

I dunno that they'd be considered proper action movies despite some pretty decent action sequences, but I'm pretty sure the Millennium Trilogy qualifies on some level.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

What in the blazes is a hipster, anyway?

[Queercommie Girl]

Star Trek is communist :marx:

Technically it's utopian socialist, rather than communist in the strict Marxist sense. But yes for a TV show it's pretty progressive.

To put it simply, the Federation in Star Trek is like Soviet economy + American politics.

[Magón]

To all you lovers of old sci-fi out there. Check it.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1318514/

[Manic Impressive]

hmm I don't know they do adhere to "each according their ability to each according their need" and there is personal property but not private property but there does seem to be a bit of a class system still in place and no participatory democracy in the workplace. They also try to learn from other cultures without trying to conquer them.

[Queercommie Girl]

hmm I don't know they do adhere to "each according their ability to each according their need" and there is personal property but not private property but there does seem to be a bit of a class system still in place and no participatory democracy in the workplace. They also try to learn from other cultures without trying to conquer them.

I'm being a bit "pedantic", but strictly speaking the Federation is not a communist society in the orthodox Marxist sense.

Doesn't mean it's not relatively progressive though, just that you can't substitute Star Trek for the Communist Manifesto. ;)

Also, it's utopian rather than revolutionary because it doesn't really describe how we got there. (Though the emergence of a "New World Economy" in the late 22nd century which made money obsolete is explicitly mentioned to some extent)

P.S. there are no real economic classes in the Marxist sense within the Federation. Money isn't even in regular use anymore, and there are no private companies, logos or corporations. Everything is state-owned. Sure, there is still a hierarchy within Starfleet, but then Starfleet is a military organisation, and even the Red Army never had complete direct democracy within its ranks. Most Federation citizens do not live their lives like Starfleet officers.

[Manic Impressive]

I'm being a bit "pedantic", but strictly speaking the Federation is not a communist society in the orthodox Marxist sense.

Doesn't mean it's not relatively progressive though, just that you can't substitute Star Trek for the Communist Manifesto. ;)

Also, it's utopian rather than revolutionary because it doesn't really describe how we got there. (Though the emergence of a "New World Economy" in the late 22nd century which made money obsolete is explicitly mentioned to some extent)

P.S. there are no real economic classes in the Marxist sense within the Federation. Money isn't even in regular use anymore, and there are no private companies, logos or corporations. Everything is state-owned. Sure, there is still a hierarchy within Starfleet, but then Starfleet is a military organisation, and even the Red Army never had complete direct democracy within its ranks. Most Federation citizens do not live their lives like Starfleet officers.
I largely agree with you especially about being utopian and I wasn't being totally serious when I said it was communist. But then again nations have withered away just another thing to add to the marxist list. :)

There was an episode in next generation where Q brought them back in time to a sort of new fascist era basically a dystopia before reaching a progressive era but I think that was the only time that was mentioned.

I wouldn't say it's comparable to soviet economics though as it's not state capitalist, a planned economy perhaps?

[Queercommie Girl]

There was an episode in next generation where Q brought them back in time to a sort of new fascist era basically a dystopia before reaching a progressive era but I think that was the only time that was mentioned.


Actually, there was a DS9 episode (actually 2 linked episodes) on the Bell Riots which has an even more "revolutionary feel" to it:

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Bell_Riots



I wouldn't say it's comparable to soviet economics though as it's not state capitalist, a planned economy perhaps?
Yes, it's a planned economy.

However, I'm a Marxist-Leninist who do not completely reject Stalinism so I don't accept the concept of "state-capitalism" the third-campist Trotskyists promote anyway.

[Il Medico]

Being into film is the exclusive realm of hipsters now? :lol:

[Sir Comradical]

Judging from the three pictures, we aren't into sexism, racism and homophobia.

Gregory House has none of these qualities - he's a misanthrope, which is hardly singling out one group for hatred.

South Park mocks everyone - left, right and liberal - but I don't recall seeing jokes about uppity blacks or dungaree-wearing lesbian feminists.

And the only targets of Ali G's characters are the incredibly stupid and the pretentiously fake.

http://cdn.manufacturedenvironments.com/media/2006/aligandnoamchomsky.jpg

[Pirate Utopian]

Good example. :closedeyes: